The State Department retails the PC myth in this article, "Thomas Jefferson's Iftar," July 29. Nor is this the first time this falsehood has gone around: the State announcement quotes Barack Obama saying last year: “Ramadan is a reminder that Islam has always been a part of America. The first Muslim ambassador to the United States, from Tunisia, was hosted by President Jefferson, who arranged a sunset dinner for his guest because it was Ramadan — making it the first known iftar at the White House, more than 200 years ago.”
Longtime Jihad Watch writer Hugh Fitzgerald busted this myth in his piece "Barack Obama, The New York Times, that Iftar Dinner, and the rewriting of history," which was first published here at Jihad Watch on August 26, 2010. Here it is again:
Barack Obama, The New York Times, that Iftar Dinner, and the rewriting of history
by Hugh Fitzgerald
"The first Muslim ambassador to the United States, from Tunisia, was hosted by President Jefferson, who arranged a sunset dinner for his guest because it was Ramadan --- making it the first known iftar at the White House, more than 200 years ago." -- Barack Obama, speaking on August 14, 2010, at the "Annual Iftar Dinner" at the White House
Really? Is that what happened? Was there a "first known iftar at the White House" given by none other than President Thomas Jefferson for the "first Muslim ambassador to the United States"? That's what Barack Obama and his dutiful speechwriters told the Muslims in attendance at the 2010 "Annual Iftar Dinner," knowing full well that the remarks would be published for all to see. Apparently Obama, and those who wrote this speech for him, and others who vetted it, find nothing wrong with attempting to convince Americans, as part of their policy of trying to win Muslim hearts and Muslim minds, that American history itself can be rewritten. A little insidious nunc pro tunc backdating, to rewrite American history. And that rewrite of American history has the goal of convincing Americans, in order to please Muslims, that the United States and Islam, that Americans and Muslims, go way back.
As Obama so unforgettably put it in his Cairo Speech (possibly the most inaccurate, the most cavalier about historical truth, of any speech by any President in American history):
As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam -- at places like Al-Azhar -- that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities -- (applause) -- it was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality. (Applause.)I also know that Islam has always been a part of America's story. The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President, John Adams, wrote, "The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims." And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States. They have fought in our wars, they have served in our government, they have stood for civil rights, they have started businesses, they have taught at our universities, they've excelled in our sports arenas, they've won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building, and lit the Olympic Torch. And when the first Muslim American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same Holy Koran that one of our Founding Fathers -- Thomas Jefferson -- kept in his personal library. (Applause.)
We could go through those two appalling paragraphs with such historians and keen students of history as Gibbon, John Quincy Adams, Tocqueville, Jacob Burckhardt, and Winston Churchill, but that is for another occasion. We could point out that the highly selective quotation - for example from John Adams, whose views on Islam are falsely implied by quoting such a statement as "the United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims" which was mere pleasing rhetoric, and that phrase "in itself" left open the possibility of other reasons for enmity, including Muslim hostility. Not John Adams himself but his son John Quincy Adams (our most learned President), who was far more knowledgeable about Islam, was to write about that:
The precept of the koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force.
But John Adams himself drew conclusions about Muslims and Islam that were far from favorable. John Adams' unfavorable view of Islam was obscured and turned on its head by Obama, in quoting that single phrase that was part of negotiations-cum-treaty designed to free American ships and seaman from the ever-present threat of attack by Muslim pirates in North Africa (known to history as the Barbary Pirates). John Adams' unfavorable view of Islam was shared by all those who, in the young Republic, had any dealings at all with Muslim envoys. Thomas Jefferson had a copy of the Qur'an in his library not because he was an admirer of that book, or the faith of Islam, but because he was both curious and cultivated. Muslim Congressman Keith Ellison used Jefferson's own copy of the Qur'an. Yet that copy, since it was translated into English by George Sale, has for most devout Muslims no validity whatsoever, for the Qur'an must be read and understood in Arabic. A Qur'an in a language other than Arabic cannot even be called the "Holy Qur'an," though apparently Obama, and his speechwriters, did not know this, in their fulsome description of Jefferson's copy of the Sale translation that was appropriated by Representative Ellison for his own crude and transparent political ploy. Obama wrongly refers to Sales' version as the "Holy Qur'an," and every Muslim at that dinner knew such a book could not possibly be called that. A small mistake, but then there are so many mistakes, and Obama and his speechwriters are so eager to please, and yet so ignorant withal, that these mistakes add up.
There is not a single American statesman or traveler or diplomat in the days of the early Republic who had a good word for Islam. Look high, look low, consult whatever you want in the National Archives or the Library of Congress, and you will not find any such testimony. And the very idea that someday Muslims, adherents of the fanatical faith of Islam, would be here and would dare to invoke the Freedom of Conscience that is guaranteed by our First Amendment, through both the Free Exercise and Establishment Clauses, would have struck them as impossible. For everyone knew then, as so many now apparently do not know, that Islam itself inculcates not freedom of conscience, but blind, unquestioning submission of the individual Muslim to Authority, that is, the Authority of the Qur'an, as glossed by the Sunnah, and the Authority of the Shari'a, the Holy Law of Islam to which all Muslim law codes are supposed to aspire and, ideally, to be modeled on, the Holy Law which embodies, in codified form, the texts and tenets and attitudes of Islam. This, too, Barack Obama and his speechwriters, and such people as John Brennan, Deputy Special Assistant For Homeland Security and Terrorism to the President, apparently do not know.
But let's return to that assertion about Jefferson's "Iftar Dinner," or rather, to that dinner that Barack Obama would have us all believe was the first "Iftar Dinner" at the White House way back in 1805. What actually happened was this.
The American navy, fed up with the constant depredations by Muslim corsairs, who were not so much pirates as Muslims who were encouraged to prey on Christian shipping, and who at times even recorded the areas of the Mediterranean where they planned to go in search of Christian prey, seized a ship that belonged to those who were ruled by the Bey of Tunis. And the Bey of Tunis wanted that ship back. He sent to Washington, for six months, a temporary envoy, one Sidi Soliman Mellimelli, who was not, pace Obama, "the first Muslim ambassador to the United States," but, rather, a temporary envoy.
Here, from the Thomas Jefferson Encyclopedia, is a bit of the background to the story:
The crisis with Tunis erupted when the USS Constitution captured Tunisian vessels attempting to run the American blockade of Tripoli. The bey of Tunis threatened war and sent Mellimelli to the United States to negotiate full restitution for the captured vessels and to barter for tribute.The backdrop to this state visit was the ongoing conflict between the United States and the Barbary states, autonomous provinces of the Ottoman Empire that rimmed the Mediterranean coast of North Africa. Soon after the Revolutionary War and the consequent loss of the British navy's protection, American merchant vessels had become prey for Barbary corsairs. Jefferson was outraged by the demands of ransom for civilians captured from American vessels and the Barbary states' expectation of annual tribute to be paid as insurance against future seizures. He took an uncharacteristically hawkish position against the prevailing thought that it was cheaper to pay tribute than maintain a navy to protect shipping from piracy.
Jefferson balked at paying tribute but accepted the expectation that the host government would cover all expenses for such an emissary. He arranged for Mellimelli and his 11 attendants to be housed at a Washington hotel, and rationalized that the sale of the four horses and other fine gifts sent by the bey of Tunis would cover costs. Mellimelli's request for "concubines" as a part of his accommodations was left to Secretary of State James Madison. Jefferson assured one senator that obtaining peace with the Barbary powers was important enough to "pass unnoticed the irregular conduct of their ministers."
Despite whispers regarding his conduct, Mellimelli received invitations to numerous dinners and balls, and according to one Washington hostess was "the lion of the season." At the president's New Year's Day levee the Tunisian envoy provided "its most brilliant and splendid spectacle," and added to his melodramatic image at a later dinner party hosted by the secretary of state. Upon learning that the Madisons were unhappy at being childless, Mellimelli flung his "magical" cloak around Dolley Madison and murmured an incantation that promised she would bear a male child. His conjuring, however, did not work.
Differences in culture and customs stirred interest on both sides. Mellimelli's generous use of scented rose oil was noted by many of those who met him, and guards had to be posted outside his lodgings to turn away the curious. For his part, the Tunisian was surprised at the social freedom women enjoyed in America and was especially intrigued by several delegations of Native Americans from the western territories then visiting Washington. Mellimelli inquired which prophet the Indians followed: Moses, Jesus Christ or Mohammed. When he was told none of them, that they worshiped "the Great Sprit" alone, he was reported to have pronounced them "vile hereticks."
So that's it. Sidi Soliman Mellimelli installed himself for six months at a Washington hotel, for which the American government apparently picked up the tab. And as to that request for "concubines," apparently Jefferson asked the Secretary of State, James Madison, to attend to the matter. It's amusing to note how little the behavior of Muslim and Arab rulers has changed. It is only we who do not see them, or allow ourselves to see them, as primitive and exotic creatures to be amused by or often contemptuous of, but not as creatures to whom we need accord any undo respect, for their sole claim on our attention is that some of them, through an accident of geology, have acquired a lot of money. And there are people in Washington who are happy, in their desire to do well themselves, to convince the American government that it must bend over backwards in treating of Arabs and Muslims. There is no need to do so, and it is easy to show why not. In fact, the description of Mellimelli's requests may put many in mind of how so many Muslim and Arab rulers, including "plucky little king" Hussein of Jordan, when they used to come to Washington, would have round-the-clock escort girls service them in their hotel rooms. But what was most maddening was that the bills were paid by the ever-compliant C.I.A. I presume the oil money has made that, in some cases, no longer necessary.
Sidi Soliman Mellimelli was quite an exotic specimen:
The curious were not to be disappointed by the appearance of the first Muslim envoy to the United States - a large figure with a full dark beard dressed in robes of richly embroidered fabrics and a turban of fine white muslin.Over the next six months, this exotic representative from a distant and unfamiliar culture would add spice to the Washington social season but also test the diplomatic abilities of President Jefferson.
During the six solar months Mellimelli was here, the lunar month of Ramadan occurred. And as it happens, during that Ramadan observed by Mellimelli, but naturally unobserved, hardly noticed, by the Americans, President Jefferson invited Sidi Soliman Mellimelli for dinner at the White House. He probably during that six-month period had done it more than once. Mellimelli replied that he could not come at the appointed hour of three thirty in the afternoon (our ancestors rose much earlier, and ate much earlier, and went to bed much earlier, in the pre-Edison days of their existence). That time fell, for him, but not for Thomas Jefferson or anyone else in the United States of America, during the fasting period of the month of Ramadan. He replied that he could not come at the hour set, that is, at half-past three, but only after sundown.
Jefferson, a courteous man, simply moved the dinner forward by a few hours. He didn't change the menu, he didn't change anything else. And moving the dinner forward by a few hours hardly turns that dinner into a soi-disant "Iftar Dinner." Barack Obama's trying to do so, trying that is, to rewrite American history, with some nunc-pro-tunc backdating, in order to flatter or please his Muslim guests, is false. And, being false, is also disgusting. It is disgusting for an American President to misrepresent American history to Americans, including all the schoolchildren who are now being subject to all kinds of Islamic propaganda, cunningly woven into the newly-mandated textbooks, that so favorably misrepresent Islam, as here.
Now there is a kind of coda to this dismal tale, and it is provided by the New York Times, which likes to put on airs and think of itself as "the newspaper of record," whatever that means. The Times carried a front-page story on August 14, 2010, written by one Sheryl Gay Stolberg, and no doubt gone over by many vigilant editors. This story contains a predictably glowing account of Barack Obama's remarks at the "Annual Iftar Dinner." Here is the paragraph that caught my eye:
In hosting the iftar, Mr. Obama was following a White House tradition that, while sporadic, dates to Thomas Jefferson, who held a sunset dinner for the first Muslim ambassador to the United States. President George W. Bush hosted iftars annually.
Question for Sheryl Gay Stolberg, and for her editors at The New York Times: You report that there is a "White Hosue tradition that, while sporadic, dates to Thomas Jefferson." I claim that you are wrong. I claim that there is no White House Tradition at all about Iftar Dinners. I claim that Thomas Jefferson, in moving forward by a few hours a dinner that changed in no other respect, for Sidi Soliman Mellimelli, was not providing the first of the "Annual Iftar Dinners" that, the New York Times tells us, has since Jefferson's non-existent "Iftar Dinner," have been observed "sporadically."
When, then, was the next in this long, but "sporadic" series of iftar dinners? I can find no record of any, for roughly the next two hundred years, until we come to the fall of the year 2001, that is, just after the deadliest attack on American civilians ever recorded, an attack carried out by a novemdectet of Muslims acting according to their understanding of the very same texts -- Qur'an,Hadith, Sira -- that all Muslims read, an understanding that many have demonstrated since that they share, not least in the spontaneous celebrations that were immediately held in Cairo, and Riyadh, and Jeddah, and in Ramallah, and Gaza, and Damascus, and Baghdad, and all over the place, where Muslims felt that they had won a victory over those accursed kuffar, those ingrates, those Infidels. And it was President George Bush who decided that, to win Muslim "trust" or to end Muslim "mistrust" -- I forget which -- so that we could, non-Muslim and Muslim, collaborate on defeating those "violent extremists" who had "hijacked a great religion," started this sporadic ball unsporadically rolling. And he did it, by golly, he did. He hosted an Iftar Dinner with all the fixins. It was held just the month after the attacks prompted by Islamic texts and tenets and attitudes on the World Trade Center, on the Pentagon, on a plane's doomed pilots and passengers over a field in Pennsylvania.
And thus it is, that ever since 2001, we have had iftar dinner after iftar dinner. But it was not Jefferson or any other of our cultivated and learned Presidents, who started this "tradition" that has been observed only "sporadically" -- i.e., never -- until George Bush came along, unless we are to count as an "iftar dinner" what was merely seen, by Jefferson, as a dinner given at a time convenient for his not-too-honored guest.
Yes, and how splendidly Bush, and now Obama, have proven to Muslims that there are no hard feelings. Do you think the three trillion dollars spent in Iraq and now in Afghanistan (not counting the hundreds of billions that, over time, have gone to Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan, even the "Palestinian" territories), have done that? It has all been designed to improve the lot of Muslims on the unproven assumption that this will make them less attentive to the texts, the ideology, of their Total Belief-System, and hence more willing to grandly concede to us Infidels a territory of our own, a place in the sun of our own. Yes, George Bush, that profound student of history and of ideas, kept telling us, in those first few months after 9/11/2001, that as far as he was concerned, by gum, Islam was a religion of "peace and tolerance." And just to prove it, by golly, he'd put on an Iftar Dinner with all the fixins. And that's just what he did. And that's how the "tradition" that Sheryl Gay Stolberg, and her many vetting editors at the newspaper of comical record, The New York Times, began. It's all of nine years old, through the disastrous presidencies of Bush and now of Obama.
And stop rewriting history, in ways little and big, about the American "connection" to Islam - including that absurd attempt on the front page of The New York Times just yesterday, to run a story on Christians from the Middle East, fleeing Islam and Muslims for the United States (as they fled, too, to South America, or to Australia) and appropriating the history of Arabic-speaking Maronite and Orthodox immigrants in that story on "Little Syria" to make American readers think that "see, Arabs, Muslim Arabs, go a long way back in New York City, so let's not get so hot and bothered about a little mosque someone wants to build." Was there ever such deceit, day after day, than in the way The New York Times has become a willing collaborator with the O.I.C., and others who want nonstop Mister Feelgood stories about Islam in America?
I have a request for The New York Times. It's a most modest one. All I ask -- I never ask, or expect, very much -- is that the editors of The New York Times apologize for that paper's misapplication of the adjective "sporadic" in the front-page story by Sheryl Stolberg on the "Annual Iftar" dinner.
Put up, or shut up, dear newspaper of record. Tell us when that "tradition" of "Iftar Dinners" truly began. Cite those Presidents who held dinners that they considered to be "Iftar Dinners." Give us chapter, give us verse. And if, as I believe, that hollow and recent and transparently determined-to-win-Muslim-hearts-and-minds "tradition" began in 2001, then tell us. And since your story was on the front page, do what the lawyers do when they have to make legal announcements, and put your retraction, eat your humble pie, right on the front page.
A failure to do so will be further, and for some the final confirmation, of the sorry record of The New York Times in its coverage of Islam. Most readers with some sense of what Islam is all about, even those who lack detailed knowledge, are now ready to take any coverage of the matter in The New York Times with a grain - with a Pinch - of salt.
Clio, Muse of History, is a stern mistress. Subscribers to stories that live and die between editions may forget or forgive, but Mnemosyne does neither. If I were the "newspaper of record," I'd want to propitiate not the gods, but the most vigilant and meticulous of muses. If I were Pinch Sulzberger, I'd be mortally embarrassed, and determined to make amends. But then, I have standards.
How can our state dept be so morally corrupt that they continually lie about Islam and US histiory? Is it orders directly from the president's office?
AS I always say Muslims of all color,shape, race, nationality, etc, etc, lie, lie, lie!!
No surprise here at the revelation that our present WH inhabitant is keeping up their proud tradition!!
All of this is in perfect synch, of course, with the Islamic modus operandi of re-writing history in general. Muhammad tried to re-write history by claiming that the Biblical prophets were actually Muslims and that Jews and Christians were covering it up. And, because Muslims are supposed to take Muhammad’s example as an ideal, it has been an element of the Islamic strategy of conquest ever since.
Rewriting history in favor of Muslims is their favorite past time and technique to show they are sooo.. human!!! In the present day India this is happening, I hear. If one reads Indian history books written 50 years back or earlier, one would find how cruel and atrocious were Moghul emperors of India and the new history books written for school children shows glowing accounts of their benevolence and nothing about the systematic massacre of Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, and other non-Muslims.
No body can escape Muslim lies and hypocrisy.
The New York Times is involved in this canard?
No surprise there when big lies are to be told.
We can be certain the NYT Editor Perry White will be putting the paper's best reporter on the case.
Walter Duranty is the sharpest NYT knife in the drawer. He can always be counted on the Report All the News That Fits Favorable Treatment Towards Islam.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Walter_Duranty
There's a good reason the Islamic "experts" don't want to debate Robert Spencer, as this bit of writing demonstrates. They are afraid.
Probably not wanting to get into the weeds, in his recounting of the history of Ramadan, Fitzgerald didn't get into what the holiday stands for, what it's about.
What is Ramadan about, what does it celebrate?
It celebrates the first sailing of the Good Ship Islamopop when it launched unprovoked war on the Arabian pagans for their infidelity to Allah. That's what Ramadan is all about.
Specifically, it celebrates the successful defense by the Companions against the only battle inititated against the Moslems by the pagans, who went after the Moslems to avenge a previous unprovoked attack by in by the to rob, murder, and enslave pagans.
Mohammed only loss avenged by of his many successful wars of aggression. The killing of the pagans for having the nerve to defend themselves by pre-emptory strike after suffering dozens of unprovoked attacks.
So then, is Ramadan an inherently good thing like Christmas or the Festival of Lights? Should the American taxpayer be feeding a hall of hairy Moslems to fete a victory of aggression over peace, of oppression over freedom?
Condi seemed to think so, and so does Barack.
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Remember what Smokey The Bear use to say: Don't feed the Moslems.
Both Clinton and Bush were at it too.
Following 9/11 Clinton blamed the Crusades and Bush waffled about Religion of Peace ad nauseum.
Oil money greases the wheels of dhimmi diplomacy like nothing else and these shameless liars take all they can get.
As for 'apostate' Obama and his band of Muslim brothers? It gets worse.
Money plus ideology speaks louder than words. Or the truth.
The Muslims may have "developed the order of algebra" (ahem), but Hugh has, surely popularized "novemdectet," which should surely help to dispell the myth that the world was just numberless--bereft and numberless--until Mohammed first spoke his many threats against mankind.
To an extent, it is most evidential and understandable that America had fallen Vitim of the deceit tactics of Islam.
Whether it is the history of Islam or in the history of America; it does not matter.
By law of chemistry, "water is not compatible with oil". Just as a Surgeon is not, with a Wood cutter.
But today, history and theories like this are mysteriously on a changing part. Although, maybe, not mysteriously – as we see the hands of traitors in government every where.
Well, for me and for the very few remaining free- Americans, let me simply console them by letting them know that; 'there is no need crying when their ‘White-House-Head’, is already on the ground'.
Give them 100 years and they’ll be claiming that New York City is Islam’s fourth holiest city, and always has been, and therefore there must be tight restrictions on any non-Muslim building projects or activities.
And when that happens, you can bet that lefties will be coming out of the woodwork to condemn anyone even questioning the Muslim claim to NYC as a – you guessed it --racist!
Obama a student of history? What a joke. I'd bet a case of beer he'd flunk an American history quiz I'd give him.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The key to understanding Obama is that there's not much there there. He has a vastly overrated intellect and almost all of the ideas he does have are misguided or just plain wrong. He's arguably harming America more than any other single person in all of American history (e.g., he has run up more debt in two and half years than all Presidents did from George Washington through Ronald Reagan combined).
Hope and change my ass. Even four years of him will have been four years too much. And anyone who voted for him in 2008 and still has not realized their error is, quite frankly, a fool where public policy matters are concerned.
From Hugh's article:
...for their sole claim on our attention is that some of them, through an accident of geology, have acquired a lot of money.
That is an understatement. The largest transfer of wealth in human history has resulted from the harvesting of Saudi oil reserves, and petroleum products are still the lifeblood of western infrastructure. That same wealth has been used to secure American and European financial instruments, property, politicians and media outlets. If our erstwhile "energy partners" have mandated that its clients portray Islam in a "favorable light", then a faborable light they will get, history be damned. At the end of the day, son, its all about bidness...
This is gonna be a hell of a ride.
Why don't we demand of the Obama administration that any future iftar dinners held at the White House, must be authentically Arabic - real sort of Bedouin affiars - no forks, knives, or spoons allowed - in keeping with cultural sensitivity and all that. If that were printed on the invitation, it should thin the guest list a lot.
This is too outrageous. Orwellian as all-get-out. Re-writing of history.
Send your thoughts to president@whitehouse.gov
The ongoing Islamic contribution to Western civilization.
I meant to say, "then a favorable light they will get" above, not "faborable". Wascal Wabbit!
Why Did President Jefferson Read the Quran?
http://dttj.blogspot.com/2010/09/thomas-jeffersons-quran.html
...The new President did not have a CIA to tell him what the enemy was like. He found that out by reading the Quran he had bought for his own edification. In other words, Jefferson’s copy of the Quran helped him understand the nature and mentality of the Muslim enemy. He was wise enough to do his own research long before the United States government had any intelligence apparatus.
The Barbary War was the first foreign war fought and won by the newly independent United States. After many attempts to appease the duplicitous Barbary Muslims, the U.S. finally decided that force was the only way to put an end to the piracy. And thanks to Jefferson, a new U.S. Navy was created to fight and win this war....
And the Bey of Tunis wanted that ship back. He sent to Washington, for six months, a temporary envoy, one Sidi Soliman Mellimelli, who was not, pace Obama, "the first Muslim ambassador to the United States," but, rather, a temporary envoy.
So we're celebrating an ambassador who called himself an envoy but was actually a blackmail collecions agent.
And his name was Seedy. There can be nohing seedier than using Jefferson's copy of the Ko-Ran used by Rep. Keith Ellisson D-Minnesota to be inducted into Congress by swearing a false oath to the Constitution.
Jefferson was thinking Know thine enemy back then. But this axiom has fallen from currency since the ex-hippies took over the nation.
This way Muslims can have one more reason, as if they need it; us existing as free people is more than enough, to declare Jihad and feel justified.
(it's very helpful for recruitment I suppose)
What misguided fools, our gov't is!
Obama "you lie!"
http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/
if anyone didn't know about this site.. well.. now you do..
holy crap... literally..
Lies. That's what muslims do and that's what liberals do. It is who they are. It is part of their being.
While I will freely admit that Robert is an expert on Islam and I am not, I am not so sure that he is right about Obama and his speachwriters not knowing that an English version of the Holy Koran cannot really be considered a holy book by muslims. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if Obama knows but he didn't think anyone else would know except for the muslims he was fawning over and that they wouldn't care because it fits their agenda to make such speeches to Americans who are unaware. Could be Obama engaging in Taqiyya. Just a thought. For a guy who claims he isn't muslim Obama sure knows an awful lot about Islam and I don't think it's because he's been reading his Spencer.
A very excellent piece from Hugh Fitzgerlad. One that should be part of everyone's reference library.
I have to tell you, I did vote for him. if he runs again and if the GOP's choice are all the ones in the news, I am not voting at all.
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to everyone here: I do not own a computer at home so I blog when I am at work. mostly. I am leaving tomorrow morning at 4am and heade to camp Lejun, NC to greet my son who returning from his first tour of duty in Afghanista. he is a Marine. so I will be MIA! for a few days! Please keep up the good work and I will talk to you all later!!!
Greating from NYC!
Despite whispers regarding his conduct, Mellimelli received invitations to numerous dinners and balls, and according to one Washington hostess was "the lion of the season."
The chattering classes never change, always in there brown-nosing royalty, aristocracy and despots. For a republic, you sure do like to cosy up to toffs.
Not unexpected for the first Muslim born, fake Christian (post) American President, who already previously referred to the (plain) Bible, but to the "Holy" Koran.
Wake up and re-elect to re-deposit this creature in the trash can where he belongs.
"Jefferson was thinking Know thine enemy back then. But this axiom has fallen from currency since the ex-hippies took over the nation."
Exactly. Long before 1784, when Jefferson left to Paris to become America's Minister to France, he had committed himself to learning everything he could about the tennets of Islam and also about how its radical, warlike doctrine could be defeated without another shot ever being fired. It has been suggested that Jefferson's copy of the Qur'an may have been purchased in 1765 while he was studying law at the College of William & Mary.
In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli's ambassador to Great Britain to ask him by what right his nation attacked American ships and enslaved American citizens.
He claimed that the right was founded on the laws of their propher and that it was written in the Qur'an that all nations who did'nt acknowledge their authority were sinners , at that it was not only their right and duty to make war upon these sinners whereever they could be found, but to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Muslim slain in battle was guaranteed a place in Paradise.
Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of numerous notable Americans, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and could only further embolden their enemy, the United States Congress continued to buy off the Barbary Muslims with bribes and ransom money.
The dhimmies in Congress paid Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers upwards of one million dollas over the next fifteen years, which by 1800 amounted to twenty percent of the United States government's annual revenues. Sounds familiar? Nothing much seems to have changed for two hundred years when it comes to Muslim blackmail and American dhimmitude.
Jefferson failed in his effort to defeat Islam by spiritual means. He believed that the prophet of Islam was murdered by poison by his companions in order to prevent his last peacefull revelation to be included in the Qur'an. Finding the parchment with the last revelation would abrogate all the violent suras in the Qur'an, especially the ninth. And Islam could be transferred into a peaceful religion.
Doubt about the last revelation of the prophet had existed from the death of Muhammad:
"Let no one of you say that he has acquired the entire Qur'an, for how does he know that it is all? Much of the Qur'an has been lost; thus let him say, 'I have have acquired of it whar is awailable.'"
- Ibn Umar al-Khattab, companion of Mohammad and 2nd Muslim Caliph.
Of course it is all fairy tales, but as long as Muslims believe in those deadly fantasies, Islam remains a menace, and a walking pestilence among nations.
And yet, there are still people out there who don't believe that O'turd is a Muzz.
He is dying to come out!
I predict: before he's kicked out he'll fly the black flag of Islam over the white house!
Some people may be , and I'll be nice here, ""naive" enough to fall for all these attempts to rewrite history to make muslims appear more important & more influential than they actually are, but many of us are simply not that stupid & never will be. The truth will always shine the light on these attempted deceptions. It's just too bad that the person you're supposed to be able to trust is the one trying to sell you the lies from the White House no less.
Unless the Kenyan four-flusher comes out and admits that he hates the United States and is intent on causing its ruination, then you can be fairly sure that what comes out of that toilet underneath his nose is a lie.
Hey People - Check this out! UK finally realizes THERE ARE TOO MANY "IMMIGRANTS!" (MUSLIMS):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2022432/There-ARE-immigrants-UK-say-seven-10-Britons.html
It's so sickening that this most evil Muslim Brotherhood agent and Trojan Horse into the White House, Caliph Hussein Obama, regards the American people as fools, to be lied to consistently, especially about Islam! But don't just blame him though - after all, the treacherous Socialist Democrats are his most ever willing evil SLAVES; they're selling out Ground Zero, NY and the whole America to Caliph Hussein's most cunning plan of Islamization-Arabization!
Courreges W, if that UNDEMOCRATIC left-Labour-Socialist Norwegian Govt had listen democratically to many grieving Norwegians about the evilness of letting in uncontrollable, destructive and non-integrating Muslim immigration over the years, there probably wouldn't be a Breivik!
Wow this imposter in chief sure knows how to LIE! Mathematics and algebra were invented and developed by the Sumerians of Mesoptamia circa 3000 BCE and the Babylonians circa 2000 BCE to 1600 BCE. Nice try liar.
Muzlums credited for the knowledge of how disease spread? Hahahaha - the laws given to the nation of Israel were given detailed instructions on how to prevent disease i.e.quarantining and destroying articles that came in contact with infected individuals Leviticus chapters 13-15 which was thousands of years before this earth was cursed with the appearance of moohamhead.
Obama spreads false claim that Thomas Jefferson hosted first Ramadan iftar dinner at White House
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I read Hugh Fitzgerald's excellent debunking of this bogus claim last year. The president has one hell of a bully pulpit, though, and I'm sure there are all too many who are taking this '200 years of "Iftar dinners"' crap all at face value.
miriam rove wrote:
I am leaving tomorrow morning at 4am and heade to camp Lejun, NC to greet my son who returning from his first tour of duty in Afghanista. he is a Marine. so I will be MIA! for a few days! Please keep up the good work and I will talk to you all later!!!
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Have a good trip, miriam, and I hope your son is well. Please thank him on our behalf for his service.
I echo that sentiment, Wellington. I've always wondered where Obama's scholarship was published, and found no pointers online.
I also suspect that there's a certain amount of con-man in our current president, too.
No, there wouldn't have been, definitely not.
Give him a big kiss! and thanks.
"The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco."
Was this before or after Jefferson sent over a task force to deal with the Muslim pirates of the Barbary Coast that were terrorising European and American shipping?
And anyway, I do not believe Morocco was the first country to recognise Kenya.
A puff piece about the White House iftar dinner is running over at http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2011/08/04/thomas-jefferson’s-iftar . I tried several times to post a comment with links to authors such as Hitchens and Fitzgerald who take issue with the idea that Jefferson respected Islam, and a few other history sites as well. Needless to say, and not surprisingly considering the site, my comments, which consisted primarily of links but were prefaced respectfully, were rejected. The Jefferson-respected-Islam crowd seems to have no trouble having their semi-literate comments published, though.
These people are evil.
David,
The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco.
You would have thought that the first country to recognize the USA would have been France. But we are all wrong; it was Frisia:
First Country to Acknowledge the USA
So, it seems, that Obummer's claim that Morocco was the "First" is false. On top of his many other falsehoods/lies.
Wellington: Can you confirm this?
May as well remember this muhammedan cretin as “smelli-smelli” since
due to his
an olfactory masque enabling fulfillment of his
As for the sunset dinner with Jefferson . . .
Jefferson’s invitation to the President’s House on December 9 changed the time of dinner from the usual
Northeast ‘Dec. 7th Earliest Sunset Of The Year’
This would put the time of sunset, on December 9th, 1805 at 4:46pm a total of one hour sixteen minutes later than usual. Hardly a remarkable alteration considering the lack of technology for travel, preparation and presentation of a state sponsored dinner.
Regardless, Jefferson eventually came to his senses and took care of business with America’s First War on Terror @ The Halls of Tripoli.
OOOOOORAH!
OT:
Muslim man sues company after being fired for not shaving his beard:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015823349_muslimlawsuit5m.html
Give your son a big hug and a "thank you!" from me for his service.
Who should I believe - Obama or our brother Hugh?
Sorry, Barry.
"From the halls of Montezuma
To the shores of Tripoli"
--Marine Corp Anthem
Miriam - Semper Fi!
Miriam, do you plan to discuss islam, jihad, and your participation in the discussions at JW with your son? I would be interested to know what he has to say about the situation in Afghanistan and what he thinks of the people and their lovely culture.
This does not surprise me at all. The rate at which history is being retold and rewritten is astounding. If you challenge these people with the truth what you get is character assassination, unequal moral equivalents (most are downright stupid), and B--l S--t! It is amazing we have an un-American president ... I better not get wound up ... or I might say what's really on my mind.
Thank you Robert, someone needs to speak the truth!
Thank you Hugh Fitzgerald, nice piece.
Susanp,
A superb question to Miriam Rove.
Please, tell us all what your son learned over there.
It seems that President Obama is a lobbyist for Islam. Obviously trying to make muslim sharia more acceptable. Founder, Thomas Jefferson saw that the islamic ideology was a clear and present danger!
This does not surprise me at all. The rate at which history is being retold and rewritten is astounding.
It's also highly misleading. Sorting through fake histories has always been a tough nut, but now, with our latest Commander-in-Chief, this Barack Hussein Obama fellow of indeterminate background, we must deal with the powerful fact that he combines being a pathological liar with at the same time being a stone dumbass.
This leaves potential voters trying to figure out which. If they can't make this distinction, they will go ahaid and just vote for the black guy in 2012 as a kind of tiebreaker.
Every historian of the American Revolution, boneshack, that I have come across (Morison, Chitwood, Middlekauf, etc.) has taken the position that France was the first nation to recognize the new United States by its two treaties with America in February of 1778. There was a commercial treaty and a treaty of alliance. In the latter it says that it is the purpose of both nations, i.e., France and America, to maintain the freedom and independence of the United States. Sounds like recognition to me.
The Dutch recognized the United States in 1782 with Spain doing so the following year. Respecting Friesland's initiative, I did not know that that province of The Netherlands began the movement by the Dutch to recognize the US, but, of course, Friesland was then, and now, not an independent country itself but only a part of The Netherlands and thus can't claim recognition (as one nation to another) for this reason.
The Morocco recognition has been so minor a matter that no historian of the Revolution I have read has ever bothered to mention it. I don't know what form this recognition took (if it took at all) and so I can't comment definitively on this matter. I will, however, look into it in the future. Even if true, talk about a technicality that means nothing unless you want to make a big deal out of it for modern propaganda purposes.
Well, that's all I have for now. Sorry if I could not be more complete.
Thank you, Wellington, for your input. I would have maintained that France was, indeed, the first to recognize us.
But anything to debunk that Morocco myth is worth the research.
Thanks again. Have a great jihad free weekend!
this is an oldie but very goodie....
"Barrack Obamas shame during his Cairo speech, to the Saudi king unbelievably he said:
“I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America ‘s story.” WHAT! Lies
that is such a deceit, to be correct and clear that should read,.........well, THIS Americans story anyway
Dear Mr. Obama:
Were those Muslims that were in America when the Pilgrims first landed? Funny, I thought they were Native American Indians.
Were those Muslims that celebrated the first Thanksgiving day? Sorry again, those were Pilgrims and Native American Indians.
Can you show me one Muslim signature on the United States Constitution? Or Declaration of Independence ? Or the Bill of Rights? Didn’t think so.
Did Muslims fight for this country’s freedom from England ? No.
Did Muslims fight during the Civil War to free the slaves in America ?
No, they did not.
In fact, Muslims to this day are still the largest traffickers in human slavery.
Where were Muslims during the Civil Rights era of this country? No not present.
There are no pictures or media accounts of Muslims walking side by side with Martin Luther King, Jr. or helping to advance the cause of Civil Rights.
Where were Muslims during this country’s Woman’s Suffrage era?
Again, not present.
In fact, devout Muslims demand that women are subservient to men in the Islamic culture. So much so, that often they are beaten for not wearing the ‘hijab’ or for talking to a man who is not a direct family member or their husband. Muslims are all for women’s rights, aren’t they? Mr Obama
Where were Muslims during World War II? They were aligned with the Nazi s and Adolf Hitler. The Muslim grand mufti himself met with Adolf Hitler reviewed the troops and accepted support from the Nazi’s in killing Jews.
Finally, Mr. Obama, where were Muslims on Sept. 11th, 2001? If they weren’t flying planes into the World Trade Centre , the Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on our own soil, they were rejoicing in the Middle East . No one can dispute the pictures shown from all parts of the Muslim world celebrating on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and other cable news networks that day. Strangely, the very “moderate” Muslims who’s asses you bent over backwards to kiss in Cairo , Egypt on June 4th were stone cold silent post 9-11.
To many Americans, their silence has meant approval for the acts of that day. And THAT, Mr. Obama, is the “rich heritage” Muslims have here in America .
Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot to mention the Barbary Pirates. Now they were Muslim! And now we can add November 5, 2009 – the slaughter of American soldiers at Fort Hood by a Muslim major who is a doctor and a psychiatrist who was supposed to be counselling soldiers returning from battle in Iraq and Afghanistan, and over 15,000 terrorist atrocities since 9/11all in the name of islam.
Mr. Obama is that “Muslim Heritage” that we would want in America ?
An Ex-Soldiers View "
Reference the Muslim 'RELIGION OF PEACE CAMPAIGN' in the U.K. The campaign claimed a long time connection between the U.K and Islam by pointing out their were 6,000 English men living in North Africa during the 16th century.
What the Campaign forgot to mention was that the 6,000 Englishmen were captive English seamen and galley slaves....all victims of the Barbary Pirates.
Obama: "America is no longer a Christian nation". WHATTT??? This comment speaks volumes of who and what this man is all about.
Obama,(what is his real name??) become "President" by Taqiyya/Lying and applying it ever since.
He is a Muslim... The "President", that is, instead of President, if you don't mind me to correct you.
Otherwise admirable knowledge.
By the way, where did you learn all this??
Not in a public school??... no, that can't be... otherwise we would have a President.
"America is no longer a Christian nation" He is declaring a new Islamic State: America.
Why he is not impeached???
Can this be the result of an Inferior Ignoramus Nation?
Yes, Obama sucked a lot of people in, including me. But now we can all see what a lying cretin he is.He is, essentially, muslim in his soul and he is the descendent of muslims. America has voted a fundamentalist muslim into power.
There will soon be a law prohibitiung criticism of islam in America, a blasphemy law. We have very little time to prepare an effective resistance here in the UK
I am hoping that the British can be awoken just as the Dutch are awakening. To help this awakening, I would like to write, print and distribute leaflets to warn the people of the dreadful threat of islam. Would anyone like to help write, print and distribute leaflets?
jackarandarainbow@btinternet.com
Great comments!Now I know what a great liar Obama is!It is despicable how he promotes Islam a declared enemy of USA and the world!He must be inpeached!
The greatest weapon we have for the destruction of Islam is the KORAN!just have a copy with you with the passages where it urges the Muslims to kill Jews,Christians,Infidels,Apostates from Islam and women who dishonored their husbands marked for all to see, especially women,so they will get disgusted with the koran and Islam will collapse,no matter how many billions the Saudis and Iranians spend for the promotion of Islam.
The Truth ulrimately TRIUMPHS!
"The Truth ulrimately TRIUMPHS!"
Wow. what a bunch of digusting bastards. And I mean ALL of you racist, bigoted scum. That's what you all are!
To honor this tradition is the trademark of a President who is strong and leading his country without worrying about the nay sayers who live in a bigoted and sick mindset. The constant stress and turmoil of the debt ceiling while Teapublicans and Republicans held up the lives of millions of elderly and disabled as ransom is eleviated as life moves forward. I think often of the progress Obama could provide our country if we had people around him that were of integrity and focused on the country instead of upon themselves and keeping the rich in control.
Second, This is a perfect example of racist, bigots who know NOTHING about our history.
Thomas Jefferson hosted the first White House iftar. Mr. Obama referred to that historic iftar when he hosted his own White House iftar dinner in 2010.
“Ramadan is a reminder that Islam has always been a part of America,” Obama said. “The first Muslim ambassador to the United States, fromTunisia, was hosted by President Jefferson, who arranged a sunset dinner for his guest because it was Ramadan – making it the first known iftar at the White House, more than 200 years ago.”
The actual dinner took place precisely at sunset on Dec. 9, 1805, for Sidi Soliman Mellimelli, Tunisia’s Muslim envoy to the United States, who was visiting Washington for six months regarding a piracy dispute.
Though the practice quickly fell out of favor, first lady Hillary Clinton rekindled the tradition in 1996 by hosting a dinner to celebrate Eid ul-Fitr, the holiday marking the end of Ramadan. And underPresident George W. Bush, the White House iftar became an annual ritual. Mr. Bush hosted eight iftar dinners during his eight years in office in an effort to reach out to Muslim Americans and emphasize that America was not at war with Islam.
More evidence to counter the religious right in this nation who seek to redefine the USA as a Christian nation, which is clearly not the case. These are facts. You are a racist, bigot a-hole. That's a fact, too.