It was only Friday that Hamas declared the truce was off. As the Israeli response has escalated, and they may face actual consequences for the latest bombardment of southern Israel with rocket fire, they've changed their minds.
It is a calculated move, of course, hoped to have the practical effect of allowing Hamas and jihadists who feel threatened enough to play along to declare when hostilities begin and end as it suits them. They know that Israel will be held to an international double standard where it will be expected to adhere to any truce, while the jihadists can make virtually any excuse they like for continuing rocket fire on a lower level of intensity. As the saying in Israel goes, "We cease, they fire."
More on this story. "Report: Gaza groups discuss ceasefire," by Elior Levy for YNet News, August 21:
Leaders of Gaza's militant groups convened in Cairo Sunday to discuss a possible cease-fire with Israel, according to an Islamic Jihad official.
Just a short while later reports emerged of the meeting, two mortar shells were fired at Eshkol Regional Council, and Palestinian sources in Gaza reported airstrikes had resumed.
According to sources, seven people were injured in an Air Force bombing of a Hamas outpost. A training camp belonging to Al-Ahrar Brigades was also bombed, as well as an open area near Nuseirat refugee camp, reports say. No casualties were reported in the latter strikes.
In online messages published in forums linked to Hamas and Fatah, the Gaza Strip government allegedly informed all Palestinian factions about a lull agreement, calling them to stop firing at Israel, which reportedly goes into effect on 9 pm Sunday.
According to Islamic Jihad official Ahmed Mudalal, the discussions were based on a lull agreement draft sent by United Nations envoy to the Middle East Robert Serry. Mudalal clarified that the Palestinian factions do not plan on handing Israel a lull agreement "free of charge," adding they will demand an immediate halt to Israel attacks in Gaza.
"The Islamic Jihad, as well as the rest of the Palestinian factions, are trying to spare our people from the agony of war," emphasized Mudalal. "However if it's enforced upon them, then the people must show patience and the resistance must protect ithem [sic] with all its might."
Possilbe [sic] cease-fire?
Meanwhile, Islamic Jihad's Secretary-General Ramadan Abdullah Shallah is said to be arriving in Cairo for consultations with Hamas and Egyptian officials, according to a report in Egypt's Al-Ahram newspaper.
The report further stated that talks about a possible cease-fire had already started up on Saturday, after Hamas officials claimed they were not interested in escalating the already heated situation between them and Israel.
Quoting a top-ranking Palestinian official, the report claimed Hamas was trying to persuade the Islamic Jihad's military wing to stop attacking Israel.
However Jerusalem officials claimed Sunday they have no knowledge of such plans for a cease-fire or a lull agreement with the Palestinians.
"The Islamic Jihad, as well as the rest of the Palestinian factions, are trying to spare our people from the agony of war," emphasized Mudalal.
Guess what? You could have permanent peace with Israel if you would recognize their right to exist peacefully.
Imagine if Israel was surrounded by the people of Kansas,Iowa,and Nebraska,---
----need I say more?
"...Areas under Muslim control are known as Dar al-Islam. Areas under Harbi control are known as Dar al-Harb - the domain of war.
The Koran commands Muslims to wage perpetual war (Jihad) against Dar al-Harb until the entire world is Dar al-Islam. These attacks are ordained by Allah and are non-negotiable in the long term, though the practice of taqiyya (holy deception) allows temporary treacherous peace agreements (’Hudna’) to be made if the forces of Islam are too weak to attack the Harbis successfully..." More at http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/02/harbis-and-islam-harbi-has-no-right-to.html
I saw you and your supporters are getting lazy. It's easy to say "hudna!" and feel smug and self-satisfied, but maybe you should read what the Israelis are saying and realize that not all Muslims are the same and maybe you need to think a little and learn more about situations before reflexively responding - and I say that as a regular JW reader and Spencer fan.
According to the Isreali press, this situation is an attempt by Iran to bypass Hamas by creating a distraction from their losing situation in Syria. You may think that all Muslims are the same but Hamas has to actually live with Israel and they know that Israel isn't going away and could crush them like a bug whenever it wanted.
So, I say read up a little before reacting. Many people like me count on this site to provide us with information and analysis on the jihad war against the West - but do your homework.
To all Suicidal Nations:
Our message for all converts – be it Politicians, Journalists, all avaricious and all short-sighted supporters of Islam and sharia; especially in the United States and the UK is simple:
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free".
— Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
Careful now quoting the poet Goethe, Orwell he was not:
"If Islam means submission to God,
We all live and die in Islam."
(Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe).
The Islam lover got the last part right though. There is no freedom and no life in Islam, only death, hate and terror.
It was only Friday that Hamas declared the truce was off.
In science, the student is forced to constantly watch for sufficient sample size. It would take, oh, I dunno, one objective journalist (a very rare thing, granted) and about two hours to account for a sample sufficient to conclusively prove that the sworn word of a Moslem is worthless, and should be always be summarily disregarded as such.
*** Bukhari Vol 7 Bk 67 Nbr 427 ***
Mohammed said, "If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and break my oath."
This was back when Big Mo was on his rempage of unilateral "treaties" followed by diplomatic fits of pique resulting in unprovoked military attacks, not uncoincidentally always immediately followed by armed robbery, land seizures, rape, kidnap taking, slavery for Infidel men and sex slavery for Infidel women. The conversion rate was always high, but that was left to the following months, after the felony murder crime was over, the dust had settled, and the experienced Moslem felt he could trust an Infidel captive's conversion.
This is the tradition of the Moslem. A tradition that is amply documented, acknowledged by everybody and disputed by no serious person, Moslem or Infidel.
Boy, it musta been a century long scene of horror for those 70 million Hindus back in the day.
"Mohammed said, "If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and break my oath."
Muhammed got the idea of absolute opportunism from his alter ego Allah:
"None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah hath power over all things?" (Qur'an 2:106).
.......maybe you should read what the Israelis are saying and realize that not all Muslims are the same .......
But Islam's the same the world over, and has been for 1,350 years, or so. That's the source of the problem in this case and thousands of others.
"realize that not all Muslims are the same and maybe you need to think a little and learn more about situations before reflexively responding "
ok. not all muslimes are the same... (yeah right.)
there are the jihadis (the true muslimes that take their kkkoran seriously and apply it to a 't'...you know, 9;111,
8;12 etc. those that fly into buildings, kill american soldiers at fort hood, those that attempt to bomb time square, christmas markets in europe, etc etc etc (the list is WAY too long)
and then you have the 'moderates'...you know the very very soft spoken, almost to the point of a whisper...(rauf comes to mind immediately, tariq ramadan, the nephew of the muslime brotherhood founder himself...is another moderate that blows taquyia to the naiive masses smiling to their faces while cursing them in their heart....
and of course you have the garden variety musloid who is not brave enough to attack the host country like a jihadi but does it in a stealth slithering way....sueing left right and center and using the west's democracy and freedom to destroy it from within...
yeah.
that kind of sums it up for me.
i am not abraham looking for a few righteous men in sodom so as to spare the whole lot. that is why to me they are ALL in the same category ...
when i see MASSIVE protests of muslims in the west apologizing and condemning each and every murderous act committed by their 'coreligionists'... maybe...maybe there may be something to talk about...
but until then, i am not holding my breath and remain entrenched in my position regarding this accursed cult:
i want them out of my sphere, where they do not belong, and back to the primitive barbaric lands where they have come from. nothing complicated there!
Hamas started something but when Israel fought back they first ran to the UN but that was too slow and now are crying Enough.
Hamas blinked but the rest of the idiots have decided to fight to the bitter end. Gaza Fires 3 Grad Rockets, 3 Mortar Shells
There is no truce, but you can bet that the EU and Sheik Obama will demand Israel to stop.
My word to Bibi: Stop when Hamas is destroyed and not before!
The Muslim mobsters in Gaza want a 'ceasefire' eh?
My advice to the IDF, in light of the fact that the only time Mohammedans waging jihad ever seek a truce, treaty, ceasefire or timeout is because they are feeling temporarily weak and need time to regroup and rearm, is to...**go back in and hit 'em harder**.
(This should also be the rule of thumb employed by *all* non-Muslim states who find themselves having to deal with jihad attack either from within - such as the jihads inside Thailand and the Philippines - or from without. It should be the first principle learned by heart by all non-Muslim diplomats, heads of state and generals who find themselves having to deal with Muslims).
Great minds think alike. That would be my advice as well.
"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel" –
Benjamin Netanyahu
No truce, no deals, no concessions.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/06/deserve-victory.html
"However Jerusalem officials claimed Sunday they have no knowledge of such plans for a cease-fire or a lull agreement with the Palestinians."
So basically Hamas only discussed this cease fire with the UN and other members of its group that they either cannot control or are fictional. They did not discuss this cease fire with the ONLY OTHER PRINCIPAL PARTYY- Israel.
It follows that this cease fire talk is ONLY military propoganda, the purpose of which is to paint Israel as the aggressor even though Hamas started this confrontation.
If Hamas ever actually discusses a lull with Israel and Israel agrees, then Hamas will do exactly the same thing in a few months. And a few months after that. And a few months after that.
This will continue as long as Hamas exists.
Those of us who understand islam know that they don't want peace. They say they want peace but in reality what they want is the destruction of Israel and the annihilation of the Jews. The rest is all smoke and mirrors and unfortunately it's enough to fool the ignorant masses.
Hasan al-Banna:
“It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet.”