World upside down indeed. No doubt to have filed charges in this instance would have been "Islamophobic."
It is widely understood among Muslims that Islamic law forbids photography, and so in this case Toronto Police were essentially enforcing Sharia. "Yonge-Dundas smackdown: Punched in the face, but fat chance charges will be laid," by David Menzies in the Toronto Sun, August 2:
What constitutes a physical assault in Toronto these days?This would appear to be straightforward. If, for example, one individual punches another, surely that’s assault. Especially if the punch in question was witnessed. And photographed.
But as I learned firsthand on Sunday, a fist in the face doesn’t necessarily constitute assault in our increasingly culturally sensitive Toronto.
The details: I was at Yonge-Dundas Square with my nine-year-old son. We ate pizza. We drank bubble tea. And I used my new Canon camera to take photos of this neon shrine.
Suddenly, a woman wearing a hijab ran toward me. She was part of a group that included two women wearing full face-covering burkas. She was screaming: “We are Muslim! You do not take pictures of us!” (Odd. I can’t find the “no photos” rule in the Qur’an.)
I informed the lady I was in a public square in a democracy. I can actually take pictures of whomever I please.
And then: Ka-pow! Her fist collided with my face. Worse, she almost knocked my new camera from my hands.
My son and I were then surrounded by a mob of about 20 people, many of whom were speaking Arabic. One kept demanding I surrender my camera to him.
It was surreal. Was I in Toronto — or Riyadh?
I spotted a group of bicycle-mounted police officers. I burst through the mob with my son and made a beeline towards them. I told a Toronto Police officer what had happened and I wanted to press assault charges.
Better yet, a man and a woman came forward as eyewitnesses.
The 50-something couple, originally from Syria, told the police they had observed the entire affair and my allegations were true. The couple said they understood Arabic and knew what the mob was saying. [...]
The cop walked back to me. No charges would be laid, he said, because he believed the woman’s story — namely, she was merely trying to knock the camera out of my hands. [...]
The fact we have Islamists living amongst us who despise western values isn’t news. But surely you can’t just sock someone in the mouth.
Well, apparently you can — as long as the intent of the aggressor was merely to inflict property damage.
World’s upside-down. Just thought you should know.
Oh, I know.
For more on this enforcement of Sharia by Toronto police, see Blazing Cat Fur and Closet Conservative.
Outrageous. Once again, Muslims use violence to get their way, and the authorities let them get away with it. Next time she and her mob will be more forceful. Guaranteed.
I bet the 9 year-old son will never forget this incident and will grow up to be staunchly against Islam. So, there is at least that. He will always understand what supremacist, cowardly, bullies Muslims truly are.
The cop walked back to me. No charges would be laid, he said, because he believed the woman’s story...
Read: "I know which way the wind is blowing around here, and I don't want to lose my job." Here comes Sharia in Toronto.
I have a friend in Toronto..........I fear for her..
Maybe I'm being extreme, but this reminds me of nothing so much as how the Milwaukee cops handed that hapless Asian teenager back to master chef Jeffry Dahmer some years back. It's not enough for cops to neglect to fight crime, now they collaborate with criminals.
Clearly, if you wanted to separate a person from their camera, you'd aim a punch at the camera rather than the much less obvious move of snatching it.
And, clearly, if you're aiming a fist at a camera, it's remarkably easy to miss and mistakenly land that fist clean in the camera holder's face.
Seems to me that the fine, upstanding policeman judged the situation entirely correctly...
...NOT!
Why is it up to the cop to determine if charges will be sought? Is he a judge and court now? He should be unemployed.
"No charges would be laid, he said, because he believed the woman’s story — namely, she was merely trying to knock the camera out of my hands. [...]"
So trying to knock a person's camera out of his hand in a public place & interfering with his freedoms with physical intimidation is not an assault? This is crazy and I think he should get a lawyer and sue the police.
Muslims regard Canadians, Brits and Europeans in general as pushovers and it looks like they are.
She was screaming: “We are Muslim! You do not take pictures of us!
Moslems have sensitivities, too.
Odd. I can’t find the “no photos” rule in the Qur’an.
Even odder, the Ko-Ran is explicitly not open to interpretation.
But, let's give this assertive Moslima a break here: when the archangel Gabriel recited the Ko-Ran to Mo, cameras hadn't been invented yet.
I informed the lady I was in a public square in a democracy.
Liar. You live in a post-democracy, and in Judeo-Christianity it's illegal to lie to a Moslem. They hate lies (the Moslems, not the post-Judeo-Christians), and they ain't afraid to get violent when lied to.
My theory, the assertive Moslima punched you in the face cuz of your lie. You insulted her intelligence and got what you deserved.
This is the face of Islam. The punched face.
I have an old 35mm camera I'm going to take out and go around taking pictures of scenery, which may or may not have Muslims in it. This issue needs to be forced and these animals made to stand down.
From the article:
"After the officer took my statement, he went over to the offending woman. Another constable was inexplicably miffed I was (legally) taking photos in the first place. The irony: Just above our heads a Toronto Police Service sphere was videotaping the activities."
All that taxpayer money for 'Police Service spheres'.
For what apparent purpose?
Don't photograph us we're muslims? What BS. The news is full of photos and video of muslims that are more than happy to be photographed and filmed. Furthermore muslim countries have the images of kings on their currency.
I always ask people when indoors at a public event out of politeness and the desire not to expoit. However it is legal to photograph anyone in an indoor or outdoor public space (various countries have different rules about photographing police or sensitive areas). In America as soon as you leave your house you have no right to refuse to be photographed. I would imagine it is the same in Canada.
The woman was not a random muslim. She was either an islamic radical (as the wearing of a burqa in a western country indicates) intentionally attempting to intimidate a non muslim over this issue, or the men in her group were radicals and she did not want photos of them going around. Or they were illegals.
If I was him I would keep track of those photos. I would also email them to the police, state security and immigration with a written account stating that these people did not want to be photographed and where they were seen.
In my personal experience of shooting nightlife, people who make a stink about being photographed, rather than just politely saying no when asked, tend to be criminals.
One thing we should learn from islamonazis and CAIR is to make a lot of fuss when something like this happens, play a race card, play a victim card and blow it out of proportion. Of course, in this case it is totally legit.
Otherwise, we can expect more and more outrageous incidents like this.
The more negative publicity, the better.
The police officer refused to enforce a clearly stated law against assault of another person, thus giving these animals license to commit assaults or even worse crimes--the Musloid's (new term for Islamic supremacist) demand that the man give up his camera, in the context of a group of supporters, could even be construed as attempted robbery: a violent felony.
When police refuse blatantly to enforce laws for protection of basic human rights, that is quite frankly a justification for street justice and people taking the law into their own hands. It's the basic theme of a Western; the town has no sheriff, the sheriff is in the pay of the criminals and bandits, or the sheriff is intimidated by the criminals. Well, pardner, that's when the menfolk (and today womenfolk) have to put together posses, vigilance committees, and so on and administer justice as best they can.
If the Canadian government does not like this concept, it needs to make it clear to its law enforcement personnel that the law is what was enacted by Parliament (e.g. laws against hitting other people) and not what the Musloids say they want the law to be, and that any law enforcement officer who behaves otherwise will be disciplined or even fired.
Re: "No charges would be laid, he said, because he believed the woman’s story — namely, she was merely trying to knock the camera out of my hands." The cop should be fired because he does not recognize that trying to knock a camera out of somebody's hands is robbery if the intention is to take the property, vandalism if their intention is to damage or destroy the property, and maybe assault in the bargain. The sow even admitted to the officer that she did this.
I hope that the complainant gor the officer's badge number and follows up with complaint to officer's supervisor. Whether the assailant was trying to punch the man in the face or know tha camera out of his hands, her actions constitute assault. Her behavior definitely must be brought to heel to conform to Canadian law, NOT the other wasy around.
How horrifying! Muslims including in savage burkhas can use violence towards non-Muslims but non-Muslims can't even use peaceful freedom of speech to criticize Islam! Toronto has been conquered by those burka savages!
So Muslims can't be photographed? That must mean Osama and Ayman al-Zawahiri aren't Muslims. They've had their faces on television many times. They even filmed themselves and distributed the videos.
And so what if the intent of the aggressor was to "cause property damage"? She still had to attack the victim to do it. So if "causing property damage" is not a crime then how ripping those burkas off their faces?
See the reference below - probably the finest speech I have ever heard on the issue
Finally here is a Canadian addressing this critical issue affecting the whole Western World. Take special note of what he says, the facts he sights and his comments about the Obama White House (after the 10 minute mark)..... do watch it all.
http://livestre.am/Pfu4
Ah, a relaxing day in the city square. Some quality-time with your son, pizza and bubble tea, trying-out that new camera, enjoying life on a fine summer day. And then...
MUSLIMS!
@PRCS
The author of this article should go to a police station and register a complaint, the whole incident will be on video - surveillance cameras are everywhere in public places of major cities. The offending woman will not be identifiable now, thanks to police inaction, but he can surely bring complaints against the police officers for not protecting his rights, then maybe they'll think twice before dismissing an assult next time.
This is certainly a black eye for the Toronto P.D. To have this happen to a writer of the TORONTO SUN newspaper is perfect(glad he wasn't badly hurt). Nothing could be better for the peaceful anti-jihad campaign than to show unprovoked attacks against "infidels" by muslims for Islamic theological reasons as this case illustrates!
Islam! Me no Leica.
File charges against the woman anyway. In fact, file two separate sets of charges, one set against the woman and one set against the police officer for dereliction of duty. Get a lawyer if necessary, and demand the photographs from the "police sphere" by produced. It would be a great opportunity for publicizing the issue, and among other things provide an opportunity for public discussion about how one is supposed to identify criminals wearing a burka.
I wonder, would the authorities allow this woman to wear a burka in a police lineup?
Don't let this pass without protest. Only by insisting your rights be respected, and having the police protect those rights, will they be respected.
It is interesting to contrast how Muslims react to photographing them as compared to the Amish, who actually have a long standing rule requiring them not to permit photographs. Muslims attack physically, whereas the Amish simply ignore the matter.
A Canon-ical comment!
*Appalling*. As Alcinous notes, it is not up to the police officer to decide whether charges should be sought.
But this is very much of a piece with other recent police actions—arresting peaceful Infidels rather than their Muslim attackers, disallowing peaceful Infidel protests because it may "incite" Muslim mayhem, breaking into a private apartment that displayed an Israeli flag and removing it because Muslims had begun attacking the building, removing Christian preachers because Muslims take offense to their presence—on and on.
And this is *happening all over the West*—in the United States, in Germany, in France, in Britain, and now in Canada.
Many of these police just want to avoid Muslim violence and the hassle of dealing with appearing in court—but they are doing so by violating the rights of their own peaceful citizens in the process.
And they are also—though it may not be their intent—*enforcing Shari'ah*.
Also, while this may save them a certain amount of hassle in the short term, in the long term it just emboldens Muslim aggression—which is going to cause Infidels—including these dhimmi police departments—a lot *more* grief in the long run.
Canadians, Brits and Europeans aren't the only ones muslims see as weak.
Your president bowed to the king of Saudi Arabia. Your troops in islamic lands must observe the rules of ramadan in public. No more aiming for the vast reaches of space for NASA - it's all about muslim outreach now.
We're all in this together and all on the same side.
One thing we should learn from islamonazis and CAIR is to make a lot of fuss when something like this happens...
We are making a fuss, Miss. So is this blog and others like it. And maybe there will be a 60 second interview or two on Fox Business Network.
*** 33:21 ***
But that's about as far a she goes. It could be said, maybe, possibly, that the news entertainment biz just doesn't find Moslems to be a hot topic.
... meanwhile, the forces of Islamism, and I distinguish it from the religion of Islam, but most of you are finding it very difficult (to do)...
Hey Toro, screw this carcer victim born Moslem who grew up in Punjabi culture who sits in his wheelchair on a stage and receives warm applause for his speeches.
This is one very mixed up dude. Maybe all that time he spent as a Marxist and Moslem addled his haid, but he should know better.
*** 33:21 ***
And I can't help but wonder: who is paying for that fancy electric wheelchair, the Canuck Taxpayer?
"Don't photograph us, we're moslems?"
This is America, in this case Canada. We are a civilized country. Go back to the barbarian spithole you came from, any take your cats with you.
I carry a 357 magnum for just such occasions.
Anyone assaults me physically is leaving in a body bag.
Most likely the reason they want to take our guns.
Rusty Shackleford@Even in the US, using a firearm on a woman who merely punches you will quite appropriately get you jail time.
She should certainly have been arrested, but you can't use lethal force unless you're at risk of serious injury.
I have seen in this same Yong/ Dandas square two ladies in full black purdahs distributing free Korans and Islamic materials to the busy passers by. They have planted a shamiana right on the pathway, and shouting "free Korans".
I just stood there and wated for a while. No body bothered to request their free offer of Korans.Some guys even angryly waved their hand to refuse the offer.It is a daily affair in that Square.The Cops never try to stop them.If a Christian piches his tent to distribute bibles,then the Cops will immediatly arrest them.This is Canada.
Unfortunately the way it is with Toronto Police now is that short of an attempted murder taking place right under their noses, they usually choose not to get involved. I was a little surprised they killed the fellow who shot into the crowd at the Caribana parade, but then I guess this was too obvious for even them to ignore.
Once our local muslims catch on to the fact that police will not interfere with them then we will start to have problems similar to what is happening in Europe.
Our only hope at this point is that our govts at the municipal and Federal level start making changes to toughen up the penalties for assault.
I do not include provincial since they are Liberal and therefore useless.
Stephen Harper we need those tougher laws you promised us in the last election.
Dude you need to do some reading before opening your mouth.
There is no such thing as Islamism. There is only Islam
There is only 1 Quran. Have you read it? It is a vicious and cruel blueprint for a very sick society.
The fact that there are millions of people who seem to follow it is irrelevant.
Millions of people used to believe the earth was flat.
I'm with "undaunted" and "Miss Piggy" it's time to go on the offensive. It's time to play by muslim rules and use their tactics. Make as big a deal out of this as possible. Sue whomever you can. And ramp up muslim picture taking, a little desensitization training is order.
Rusty, you know billposter answered truthfully.
That's why you need pepper spray for your non-dominant hand.
"...you can't use lethal force unless you're at risk of serious injury."
billposer, David Menzies was surrounded by a threatening mob of 20 persons. Had he been unable to "break through" that mob and had it turned violent then he would have been "at risk of serious injury."
Anyone on JW yet to immerse themselves in a martial art?
Do you own and use a handgun?
Can you protect the people around you that you care about?
Typing away on a keyboard may make your chest swell with pride but knuckles applied regularly to a hanging bag and a well oiled, well used firearm will prepare you for the inevitable.
Can the police protect us all when their directive is given from the same people treating moslems as an endangered species?
Do it yourself, defend yourself, don't back down.
I'm not into martial arts but guns are easy. My daddy taught me how to handle guns when I was very young and while I've never been fascinated by them or interested in hunting, I like target and skeet shooting. My husband is a gun collector and I've shot many of his guns but I like the little 22 Charter Arms revolver that I've had for thirty years, which I load with snakeshot unless I'm target shooting. I hope I never have to shoot anybody but if I had to, I could.
I know guns aren't for everyone but everyone should have some kind of plan for self-preservation, even if it's an escape route or secure hiding place. It's hard to imagine that the day could come when we aren't safe in our own homes or law and order might disintegrate. For the first time in my life, I am acutely wary of potential scenarios that could create widespread, instantaneous chaos and overwhelm law enforcement personnel, leaving most citizens to fend for themselves. Everyone should pray this never happens but be prepared if it does.
I would never depend on the government to protect or save me in a crisis situation. The government couldn't even get potable water to New Orleans after Katrina and turned back the Walmart trucks that were trying to deliver it. If you can't take care of yourself, kiss your ass goodbye.
Can anyone supply me with some 8 by 10 glossies of this hot garbage bag babe. Was this bag custom fitted or the usual tent size. Was the fist covered or bare? Did the lunging punch reveal the slightest little patch of skin at the ankle. Enquiring minds want to know? Call BR-549 if you can send any of the requested photos.
Acutely aware and wary I is also. Be prepared!
Words cannot even begin to describe how appalled I am over this incident. When will we begin to stop making allowances for atrocious behavior all for the sake of avoiding the Islamophobe label. This coddling has to stop or this monster created by apologists will soon be too big to handle!
My own thought was that (besides pressing charges against both the woman and the cop, as advised by other posters on this thread) this man and his son should march straight down to their nearest reputable Martial Arts establishment - Tae Kwon Doe, judo, karate, wing chun kung fu or some such - and sign up for regular lessons, ASAP. These sorts of martial arts train the *mind* as well as the body; they teach people to recognise danger.
Because even if, as others have said, they acquire firearms and learn how to use them, they won't always have them handy.
And the son is only nine. He probably has to contend with arrogant, bullying Mohammedans at school. If *he* learns how to handle himself and 'read' situations, he'll give off a 'don't mess with me' vibe that the Mohammedan bullies will sense.
This story reminds me of two things that happened to a former (now, tragically, deceased - car accident) poster at this forum, necessitasnonhabetlegem, Dominic Tabrar-Synge, an English archaeologist.
First: what happened to Mr Menzies is very, very similar to a Muslim attack that was made upon Dominic in the London Tube.
Here is Dominic's own account, as posted in this thread -
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/12/culture-clash-in-denmark.html
necessitasnonhabetlegem | December 31, 2006 11:14 PM
Hugh/
'I could not agree more with your last post if I tried.
'Yes, of course, moslems are an alien body in our midst.
'Every day in London - on the tube, in shops, in parks, whilst shopping, whilst going about the 101 tasks that make up an average life - this is borne in on me.
'In London today moslems dress differently, are rude to locals, jump queues, shout at us, wave their fists at us, call us 'worthless infidel' in public and in loud voices.
' I have, just four days ago, been elbowed aside by a moslem couple, with sidekicks, whilst trying to top up my Oyster card at a tube station at the automatic machine.
'Apparently, I had taken longer than the ten seconds that they were prepared to wait *and so three burly males forced me aside and, when I objected, pushed me to the floor and - quite literally - and took over the machine which I was attempting to use.** {my emphasis - dda}
'Not, in a crowded and impatient city like London that this was a surprise, but that in this instance that I was insulted by these people was a surprise.
'The eldest male in the group, dressed in the usual and ridiculous garb of mohammedans everywhere, looked directly at me amd said, in quite clear English, (and I quote verbatim) "Get out of our way infidel slave".
'You may imagine how I felt at that moment. To be so insulted in my own capital city was stunning. It took all my self-control not to do something rash at that moment.
'Knowing that CCTV cameras would have captured this incident I complained, some three hours later (after having completed my journey and return), to the British Transport Police on the Broadway.
'I need not have bothered.
'Not only would no-one there take my complaint of 'technical assault and insult' seriously but no-one to whom I spoke was even prepared to initiate any paperwork whatsoever nor were they remotely prepared to find and look at the video recordings.
' Indeed, one Officer even said to me that I 'should swallow my pride' and live with it because - and, once again, I quote verbatim 'you are just being racist and you have to remember that it's cultural with them'.
'Obviously, at this point, I indicated that I felt that I had been physically assaulted and that I would really like to have my complaint investigated.
'Well, this is really where everything about that evening begins to stick in my craw.
'When I said that, the Officer of the BTP who was listening to me actually cautioned me and warned me that if I persisted with making a nuisance of myself I would be charged under the The Race Relations Act 1976 and the RRAA (Race Relations (Amendment) Act) 2000.
'I gave up at this point.
'Cowardice is sometimes the better part of valour.
'But, damn it, they won, didn't they?
'**I have been intimidated into a dhimmi position by them and the very powers which should have protected me in my own country.** {my emphasis - dda}.
"Happy New Year everyone", I say in a bitter tone of voice."
Note: perhaps Canadian jihadwatchers may like to email a copy of Mr Tabrar-Synge's experience in London, to Mr Menzies at the Toronto Sun.
The second posting by Dominic, though, is more interesting, and heartening, and should perhaps also be sent to Mr Menzies, for it shows that determined and united Infidel resistance can put the Mohammedan Mob to flight.
In the comments to this article:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/10/government-doubts-threat-on-nfl-stadiums.html#c286743
necessitasnonhabetlegem | October 18, 2006 10:29 PM
'So; this is about striking fear and terror into our hearts is it? Well, yes, I can buy that explanation - I think that Robert is correct.
'I work in an area of human knowledge [archaeology, to be exact - dda] which means that often I have to work through the night - or, at least, on into the wee, small hours (as tonight) - uncovering the past once the machinery of the builders of the present and future has finished for the day.
'Working at night poses its own problems, not least amongst which is the strange people who accost one on site and on one's way home after work.
'Some days ago on leaving a site we were stopped by a group of asian looking males [note - in the UK 'asian' has become code for 'Pakistani Mohammedan' - dda] who asked us what we had been doing on that site through the hours of darkness.
'We explained that we were archaeologists doing a rescue dig in advance of the development company sinking foundations for the new factory units.
'At that point there was some muttering amongst these asian-seeming males and one of their number came forward and asked exactly what we were looking for.
'We explained that we were excavating a not very important bronze age site dating to around 1800BC which was interesting to us because there was some significant evidence that, even at that date, stone tools and artifacts were still exceedingly important to the people who had occupied the site.
'Some more muttering in a language which none of us understood then took place amongst these males.
'Suddenly, we detected a sea change in their attitude towards us.
'They became hostile and began to threaten us with violence.
'One of them came forward and shouted at us that we were looking for evidence that mohammed was not eternal.
'Another shouted at us, in perfectly understandable English, that we were seeking to destroy signs of the earliest mosque in England. {Good god, what abysmal ignorance! - ROFLMAO - dda]
'Over the next few minutes there were more, and equally ridiculous, comments and insults thrown at us.
'Then it began to get ugly.
'Even though these, by now, obviously moslem, males were outnumbered by our group in the ratio of three-to-one they decided to move towards us and display an assortment of makeshift weapons which they had obviously brought with them to this encounter.
{Hmmm. In other words, they must have been *watching* the archaeologists at work, and had been lurking, plotting and planning - they came prepared - dda. But now for the good bit, when 'the worm turns'}.
'We were tired after having worked all night. Things had not gone well due to water incursion into our diggings. We had yelled at one another and we had argued with one another all night. In other words we were distinctly p***sed off and still annoyed.
' When these idiotic and under-educated (aren't they all) moslems advanced upon us **the only reaction any of us had was anger.** [my emphasis - and that is what ANGER is for...dda}
'So we walked towards them and brandished the tools we were carrying -
'and, in a moment of humour which we didn't appreciate until later, one of my colleagues simply waved his mobile 'phone at them - and these stupid, ignorant people simply turned and ran away from us.
' We couldn't believe it.
'They ran down the street and stood at the corner and called out some sort of insults to us in a language we couldn't understand and when we walked towards them they simply melted away into the surrounding streets.
'Obviously, we laughed, who wouldn't.
'Obviously we reviled them and their pubescent, tumescent, idiotic, crude beliefs in their filthy little devil-worshipping cult (actually, a fascinating study for us is islam and how it arose.. but that's another story).
'So, we headed towards a hot breakfast in the nearest 'greasy spoon' (as archaeologists are occasionally wont - especially after a long cold night) and, once we were safely ensconced in the steamy warmth of the cafe one of the young American exchange students who is working with us reminded us of an incredibly apposite quote from FDR in 1933 (albeit, he was speaking about something entirely different):
"So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself -- nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance."
'And he was right.
'We had converted retreat into advance. We had done more than that - we had won by standing up to the brutish islamist. By God, that made us all feel better!
Dominic."
This woman's behaviour bears witness to her thoroughly-Muslim sense of total entitlement over against non-Msulims. And the Toronto cop has, very very stupidly, acquiesced in and enabled her atrocious behaviour.
Under sharia - under the rules for dhimmis (non-Muslims living under the exceedingly dubious and exploitative 'protection' of Mohammedans) a dhimmi is FORBIDDEN to strike a Muslim and has no right of self-defence whatsoever. A Muslim, however, is free to strike a non-Muslim. Furthermore, the word of a dhimmi is always trumped by the word of a Muslim - which we see happening in this appalling report from Toronto, where the cop sided with the Muslim witch, over against the native Canadian non-Muslim who had been damn near lynched by the Mohammedan male insta-mob which, I suspect, had been lurking in ambush all along, just *waiting* for an excuse.
Many non-Muslim observers visiting Muslim lands in, for example, the 16th through 18th and 19th centuries, reported on the way that Muslims in the street routinely attacked the local dhimmis - throwing stones, cursing, spitting, hitting, kicking, slapping, punching, knocking people to the ground. The dhimmis never fought back...because if they hit a Muslim under any circumstances, a screaming mob might lynch their entire community (Muslims routinely engage in collective punishment).
Here is the relevant part of the sadistic 'Pact of Omar', the archetype of all the humiliating regulations to which dhimmis were forced to conform if they did not wish to be lynched or massacred outright (though often Muslims would *falsely* claim that this or that dhimmi had breached the rules, just so as to be free to pillage, rape and murder a local dhimmi community).
From Ibn Kathir, the Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Riyadh, 2000; vol 4, pages 404-407; interpretation of Quran 9: 29. Reproduced in Legacy of Jihad, pages 128-130}.
First, the clause that forbids dhimmis from keeping or bearing arms:
Note that it is couched in the voice of the person who is being oppressed, thus making it look as if they are eagerly and voluntarily submitting to these cruel conditions (which they only did at the edge of the sword):
"We will not... ride on saddles, hang swords on the shoulders, collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons...
"When I gave this document to `Umar, he added to it, “We will not beat any Muslim”.
'These are the conditions that we set against ourselves and followers of our religion in return for safety and protection. [yeah - 'protection' - mafia-style, for which dhimmis had to pay an exorbitant blood-tax/ ransom money to their sadistic Muslim overlords - dda]
"If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit against ourselves, then our Dhimmah (promise of protection) is broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.'''
Here's another translation of that final 'afterthought' clause about NEVER hitting a Muslim (note, it's an absolute ban - hitting a Muslim *in self-defence* is NOT allowed).
"When I brought the letter to Umar, may God be pleased with him, he added, "We shall not strike a Muslim."
And here is something else, in one of the Hadith collections that is deemed most authoritative by Muslims, the Sahih Muslim:
'It was also reported that it is forbidden to say salaam to Jews and Christians, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“Do not initiate the greeting of salaam to a Jew or Christian, **and if you meet them in the street, push them to the narrowest part of the road.”** [my emphasis - dda] (Narrated by Muslim, 2167). '
A neighbour of mine experienced precisely that behaviour - the equivalent of being 'pushed to the narrowest part of the road' - by a brace of arrogant swaggering Muslimahs in full slave-rag getup, in our local shopping centre (i.e., mall).
They marched **straight at her** (in a very wide thoroughfare where it would have been dead easy for them, well ahead of time, to smoothly move aside), so fast that she had to take evasive action with her stroller to avoid their colliding with her.
You should have seen the light bulb flick on over her head when, after she told me that, I described the passage from the Hadith that I have just cited here, and explained to her: when they did that to you, they were **doing what their 'sacred' book tells them to do to an infidel!**. Let's just say that she didn't feel any particular interest in, or 'respect' for, a 'religion' that teaches its adherents to be bullying thugs shoving people aside into the gutter.
Truthiocity, you wrote:
"The woman was not a random muslim.
"She was either an islamic radical (as the wearing of a burqa in a western country indicates) intentionally attempting to intimidate a non muslim over this issue,
" or the men in her group were radicals and she did not want photos of them going around.
"Or they were illegals.
"If I was him I would keep track of those photos.
"I would also email them to the police, state security and immigration with a written account stating that these people did not want to be photographed and where they were seen.
"In my personal experience of shooting nightlife, people who make a stink about being photographed, rather than just politely saying no when asked, tend to be criminals."
Excellent points, Truthiocity.
I would add a couple more thoughts of my own.
1. Was the cop, by any chance, a Mohammedan himself? It's on the cards. If so, he would side with a Muslim against a non-Muslim.
2. Besides the possibilities *you* have enumerated - that the group were up to no good, either a jihad group scoping out a possible target, or illegals - there is another.
They might have been thieves.
Let's revisit what happened. Let's read very, very carefully.
"She was screaming: “We are Muslim! You do not take pictures of us!”...
'I informed the lady I was in a public square in a democracy. I can actually take pictures of whomever I please.
'And then: Ka-pow! Her fist collided with my face.
**Worse, she almost knocked my new camera from my hands. {Nota bene: he says it was a *new* camera. I wonder just how obviously new and nice it was ...dda}.
My son and I were then surrounded by a mob of about 20 people, many of whom were speaking Arabic. One kept demanding I surrender my camera to him.** {my emphasis - dda}".
Note that the gang of Muslims - three women, and a very large number of men, about 20, who must have been lurking somewhere close by, since they appear out of thin air - are in a place where people will naturally *want* to take photos: the fancy new shopping mall.
It smells like a set-up. What if Menzies was just the Infidel with the really nice camera who happened to walk into the trap that time around? Their bad luck that he's a freelance journalist.
Seems to me that if he hadn't been able to break away from the group and get to the cops - pretty nearly useless as the cops turned out to be - what would probably have happened, is that the Muslim males would have beaten him up - possibly also beaten up his nine-year-old son - AND TAKEN HIS CAMERA. One of the veiled women - the ones with the faces covered - could easily have tucked it under her clothes and bolted - and the CCTV filming everything would be pointless, since how do you identify someone with their face covered?
Makes you wonder whether they've pulled this stunt in other places, on other people, and gotten away with it.
At least, this time, their intended victim still has his camera, and has avoided being beaten up.
Might be worth someone's while to mosey down to that spot (and maybe a couple other places round Toronto where people tend to want to take photos), and just keep an eye open. Look out for veiled Muslimahs ostentatiously putting themselves 'in the picture' so to speak.
So, if the Muslim woman had instead knocked the camera from his hands, and broken it, would she have been charged with property damage, and compelled to pay damages? Probably not. Her "intentions" were benign,so she's off the hook? However, why don't all those Muslims who demonstrate in London carrying signs that read "To Hell with free speech," "Kill those who insult Islam," and "Islam will rule the world" object to having their pictures taken? I guess they don't object. And maybe those burqa-clad women weren't really women....
Disgraceful! The police were wrong! Go to your State prosecution service and file charges against that woman - the group - and the police! That was an assault, under any law. Hang your heads in shame Canada if you let this one go. Our Royals should be informed about the attitude of their recent 'host Nation', and should never go there again if this is not rectified! Good Luck!
Hopefully this victim will pursue his case in court.
I live in Scarborough (East Toronto) and the muslim population appears about 5%. There are many mosques, burkaed women in the shopping malls, streets, etc. Most of the children in some schools are muslim. I have mentioned in a previous post that my father was 9 at the time of partition in India and lost 1/3 of his family (in Lahore - now in 'Pakistan' - Paki means Pure BTW) due to muslim violence. He brought us to Canada for safety and now this s*** has followed us here.
Also, recently in Toronto, a man stabbed an intruder in defense (his girlfriend's mother was sleeping in the house at the time). Guess what? Toronto police arrested HIM for defending himself and his loved ones TOO AGGRESSIVELY.
VOTE CONSERVATIVE, WATCH SUN MEDIA, COMPLAIN, READ MARK STEYN, EZRA LEVANT. Complain to Toronto mayor Rob Ford.
It was on Sun Media. Check the Blazing Cat Fur link. Amazing new news station, not funded with 1.2 billion of our tax $ like dhimmi CBC.
Hi APF
You said:
My theory, the assertive Moslima punched you in the face cuz of your lie. You insulted her intelligence and got what you deserved.
Possible, but statistically unlikely. If you have a free moment, I certainly would like an example of how anyone can insult their intelligence. They are already doing that themselves.
What I would theorize is, this guy caught something or someone on camera that this mob didn't want on record.
For instance, where they planning something and this guy's camera caught it or caught the potential culprits.
It seems to me from reading the news article that the police officers didn't ask enough questions.
I think the story shows why Robert's talks with enforcement agencies is so important. If these cops were a little more savvy about Islam they would have realized that there is no prohibition in Islam regarding being photographed. So, the woman's defense of her action had to be a lie and therefore there was an ulterior motive behind her action. Once an ulterior motive is a possibility, the police are entitled to 'take off the kid gloves'.
The Yonge-Dundas area is pretty much the heart of Toronto and if there was going to be an attack by Muslims anywhere in Ontario, it would be here. Not only because of the large populations that frequent the area but because a big portion of the area is a patio that quite often has Rock Bands and other loud live music playing. The music itself might attract a Muslim response. The fact that Torontonians love the music and dance to it and otherwise have fun in public is probably like waving a red flag in front of a bull where Muslim proprieties are concerned.
So, the cops should have been more concerned and asked themselves what the real issue was about. Why were these people upset because they were on film. They may have come to the same decision about the incident but at least they would have done the 'protect' part of their job.
I guess after the fiasco that happened in Toronto during the G20 meeting a few weeks ago, the police are trying to keep a low profile.
Where do I start. I am hoping that this will be just the start of a revolution here in Canada. When I say revolution, I mean a total fight against the towel heads that are taking us over. I hope a sleeping giant is awakened in us that will make a stand against this system and the people who in my opinion dont belong here. The ones who are peaceful and willing to integrate are more than welcome, but those who are pushing us against a wall should be pushed back to point where they run back to there throwback culuture in their throwback countries. I am SICK of all this bending to these idiots! Shove your religion up your pipe hole. GET OUT OF HERE, WE DONT WANT YOU!!!!!!
Most of you may not believe this but I have observed Toronmto, Canada as the sickest, most hateful city in the world. Other cities like Terhan and Damascus have some people resisting the Islamacists. You can count the resisters in Toronto on about 4 sets of fingers.
The man in Toronto should have told the police that the Muslim woman tried to steal his camera. What disgusses me if the fact that the policeman failed in his duty to recognize that the man was the victim.
The man should file a complaint with the Toronto police and c.c. mayor Ford that is a conservative.
msblue wrote:
I have mentioned in a previous post that my father was 9 at the time of partition in India and lost 1/3 of his family (in Lahore - now in 'Pakistan' - Paki means Pure BTW) due to muslim violence. He brought us to Canada for safety and now this s*** has followed us here.
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I wonder how many other Infidels who escaped the horrific violence of Dar-al-Islam feel as you do—that this same ugliness is beginning to happen in the West, and that resistance to it—or even recognition of it—appears minimal.
I can only imagine what a sinking feeling this must be.
Some of us are willing to push back against it, though. This is where we have to make our stand. Stay strong, msblue!
Great! Punch that non-muslim kafir O KKK styled Burka clad muslimah but remember, the whole world is watching your criminal fascist movement and when the kafirs will punch back, you'll look just like a bicycle run over by a train! Shame on the Police officer for he doesn't realise that his daughter or son could be one day at the receiving end from a far larger crowd! And their crime would be just that they aren't party to the gang of Islam!