Why shouldn’t Rick Perry’s Islamic ties be vetted?

Why shouldn’t Rick Perry’s Islamic ties be vetted?

The rush to anoint him our next President is overlooking a great deal.

Imagine a candidate for President of the United States who says all the right things: he will cut taxes, he will roll back the disastrous and defeatist policies of his despised and discredited predecessor, he will restore America’s pride and renew America’s hope.

This candidate is handsome, telegenic, articulate, and apparently unafraid to joust verbally with his failed predecessor, as well as with an adversarial press.

Imagine also that this candidate had raised funds for and had a longtime association with a power player in party politics, a man who was owed favors by virtually everyone who had ever won an election for his party, but a man with ties to some extremely shady characters – say, for example, that this power broker had received, for an organization of his founding, a loan of $10,000 and a gift of another $10,000 from a man who was now in prison for raising money for a terrorist murder plot.

Imagine further that the candidate had partnered in educational initiatives with a billionaire who owned, among many other things, to be sure, a bank that had been accused – and never cleared -- of funding a terrorist group, and of complicity in the murder of an American reporter. That billionaire also owned a development organization that bore his name, and that partnered in various initiatives with the government of a country listed by the State Department as a state sponsor of terrorism, and that was now essentially at war with its own citizens.

Do you think that such a candidate would be questioned about these associations, and that he would deserve the questioning, and would be expected to produce honest, full, and serious answers to concerns about whether he was turning a blind eye or would, as president, turn a blind eye to certain kinds of activity that aided and abetted terrorism?

There is such a candidate: his name is Rick Perry. He has occasioned tremendous excitement among Republicans and conservatives, to the extent that those who dare to ask legitimate questions about his associations and beliefs are being attacked and vilified by people who are ostensibly on their own side. I already know of friendships being broken over this candidacy.

Nonetheless, these questions must be asked. I criticized Bush for his ties to the Saudis, and Obama for his fatuous fawning over the Islamic world. I don't see why Rick Perry should be sacrosanct. The next President of the United States will inherit a responsibility made even more awesome than it usually is by the catastrophic policies of his predecessor, which he will have to move quickly to reverse or else see the nation continue on the path of a prolonged and severe decline from which it may never recover. That is all the more reason not to leap onto the bandwagon of just anyone who looks this week as if he has a chance to defeat Barack Obama, and to rush to demonize those who dare to ask if the emperor’s clothes are really of that good a quality. Now is the time, of all times, to ask of Perry and of every other candidate probing, searching questions, and to investigate their ideas and associations with a critical eye – an operation which, if it had been performed on Barack Obama in 2008, we might not be in this fix.

And so we see first of all that Perry and Grover Norquist held a joint press conference in March 2011. Perry appeared at a fund-raiser for Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform group. Also, Norquist actively campaigned for Perry back in 2009. Their association is longstanding: Perry was investigated by the Texas Ethics Commission in 2004 for allegations that the Governor illegally used campaign money to finance a trip to Bahamas; the point here is not the allegations, but the fact that along on the Bahamas trip at his own expense was Grover Norquist. Perry and Norquist are clearly not just casual acquaintances.

As David Horowitz pointed out several years ago, Norquist has worked with “prominent Islamic radicals who have ties to the Saudis and to Libya and to Palestine Islamic Jihad, and who are now under indictment by U.S. authorities.” Among them was Abdurahman Alamoudi, who was once the most prominent and powerful “moderate Muslim” in Washington, and is now in prison for helping to finance an al-Qaeda plot to assassinate the Saudi king, whom jihadis consider to be inexcusably lax in his Islamic observance (primarily in allowing infidel American troops onto the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War). Alamoudi gave Norquist’s Islamic Institute, a gambit to try to garner Muslim votes for the Republican party, a $10,000 loan and a $10,000 gift.

Norquist is unrepentant; he continues to partner with Islamic supremacists. Is this the sort of man our next president should be associating with? Does Perry really need Norquist to carry over his tax-cutting message? Does he know about Norquist’s unsavory ties? Does he care? Do Republican candidates need Norquist so much that they have to put up with his taint?

Why can’t such questions even be asked? And why can’t Perry’s ties to the Aga Khan likewise be investigated? The Ismailis are a peaceful sect; however, what Pamela Geller uncovered in her article on Perry Wednesday ought to raise at least a few eyebrows even during the current Perry pep rally. Geller reveals in her article that in 2008, the Aga Khan Development Network signed three agreements with the Syrian Government, and that “between 2003 and 2008,” the Aga Khan’s group “spent $40 million to develop business in Syria.”

Syria has been listed by the State Department as among the State Sponsors of Terrorism since December 29, 1979, and, as Geller notes, “for years has allowed the jihad terror groups Hamas and Hezbollah to operate with impunity out of Damascus.”

Nor is that all. Another Aga Khan organization, the Aga Khan Fund for Economic Development, is one of the owners of the Bank al-Habib in Pakistan. In 2007, Daniel Pearl’s widow Mariane sued that bank, charging that it had funded al-Qaeda and was involved in killing Daniel Pearl. Those charges have never been answered.

In a 2006 interview with Spiegel, the Aga Khan revealed himself to be no friend of the freedom of speech. He complained that “many young Muslims feel because they think that the Western society has the intention of marginalizing or damaging them” and noted that “anyone who knows the faith of Islam, for example, would have known that the caricatures of the prophet were profoundly offensive to all Muslims.” Indeed; but what was one to do about it? The Aga Khan called for self-censorship, and all too many in the West are only too happy to oblige him in that, whatever the implications may be for the freedom of speech. “I am told,” he said, “that there was an internal debate between the editors of that publication and they actually knew what they were doing. They took a risk and somebody should have said to them, Why get into that situation?”

Why indeed? Maybe to uphold the principles by which a free society can resist tyranny?

Can all this really be waved away by an avowal that the Ismailis are peaceful? Is it really just an exercise in guilt by association to ask Perry about actions by the Aga Khan’s various organizations? Or do those actions suggest that the Aga Khan is not as peaceful as he may seem, and that Perry is less than discriminating in his associations than he should be, and certainly that any president should be?

Certainly, for America’s sake, it is imperative that Barack Obama be defeated in 2012. But that is no excuse to accept any candidate who looks as if he could beat him, no matter how potentially damaging his associations or poor his judgment.

Rick Perry needs to be vetted. He, and all candidates, must be vetted.

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Of COURSE! Pamela discredited herself with dubious initial sources, that is the problem. She is now tainted.

The Grover connection is NOTHING unless you can uncover other details. Sorry it just doesn't fly.

A couple of comments on David Stein's piece:

Stein wrote:

"David Horowitz and FrontPageMag held a symposium in 2010 on whether there is such a thing as “moderate Islam.” Read the following exchange between Dr. Timothy Furnish (mahdiwatch.org), and the eminent Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch:

Furnish: I find myself in the curious (and somewhat uncomfortable) position of disagreeing with my friend Robert Spencer, for whom I have the utmost respect and with whom I almost always totally agree. However, on this issue of whether moderate Islam exists, I think Robert may be missing something. He is exactly right that Sunni Islam–whence comes directly Salafism, Wahhabism and jihadism–promotes violence against non-Muslims in order to make Islam paramount over the entire planet. I have no quarrel with that stance. But I would argue that this is largely because within this majority branch of Islam the only acceptable exegetical paradigm regarding the Qur’an is a literalist one: and of course when passages such as “behead the unbeliever” [Suras 47:3 and 8:12] are read literally the good Muslim had better reach for his sword–or be rightly accused of infidelity to Allah’s Word.

However, perhaps because Robert is so well-versed in the theology of Islam, as opposed to the historical record of how that religious theory has been acted out on the stage of history, he seems to overlook the key fact on the ground that certain minorities within Islam have developed a non-literalist, even allegorical, approach to reading the Qur’an. Foremost among these moderates are the Isma`ilis, the Sevener Shi`is, whose global head is the philanthropical Aga Khan. Isma’ilis may number only in the tens of millions (out of the total Muslim community of some 1.3 billion, second only to Christianity’s 2+ billion), but they do exist and they define, for example, jihad not as killing or conquering unbelievers, but as economic development and charity work.

Spencer: In all this my friend Timothy Furnish, whose work I admire, is entirely correct.

"With all great respect to Pamela Geller, I consider Robert Spencer to be THE foremost authority on who is, and who isn’t, a terrorist or a sponsor and supporter of terrorism. If Spencer agrees that the Ismailis are philanthropical and nonviolent, I’ll take his word for it.


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I've got no comment on this one way or another, having not read or heard this symposium.

Just what we need, another President who loves Jihadis and Illegal Mexicans

We also have to consider that the idea of governance in regulation, taxation and tort reform would make us FAR less dependent on sources from the Middle East, and I'm not talking about crude oil.

Here's my take on Perry's Islamophilia, as he has written that Islam "preaches peace, love and tolerance." http://bit.ly/obAum2

http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/1945

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In April 2004, the Aga Khan Foundation (AKF) and UT-Austin finalized a grant proposal that created the partnership that became known as the Muslim Histories and Cultures Program (MHC). Much has happened since the inception of the partnership. Creation and implementation of a model was of prime importance. MHC recruited and directly trained 80 teachers affecting approximately 15,150 students of World History and World Geography in ten key Texas districts during the two sessions conducted in 2005 and 2006. The purpose is two-fold 1) to fulfill Governor Rick Perry’s desire to better educate Texas teachers on Muslim topics and 2) to train teachers to use a cultural lens approach to understanding other cultures. Governor Perry was instrumental in getting this program off the ground.

In other words, if there is anything foul in this program, we have every right to place the blame squarely on Governor Perry; his hands were all over this thing.

Much of the curriculum centers on very dry materials, presented with no editorializing – historical timelines, glossaries, the basic tenets of Islam (presented without either endorsement and praise, or denunciation and criticism), etc. Of interest to us, however, is the lesson plan that deals with Islam and the West, past and present. This is the lesson plan that mentions Sharia, al-Qaeda, Israel, Hamas, etc.

The lesson plan was written by Ronald Wiltse. Mr. Wiltse is a retired history teacher in San Antonio. He graduated from Pepperdine University in 1966, and received his MA from Middlebury College in 1982. For several decades, he taught world history at Edison High School, in San Antonio.

He is a Christian, and an ardent and vocal supporter of Israel.

(WILTSE’S ENTIRE SEGMENT ON ISRAEL):

The conflict continues because the West, and the United States specifically, support Israel (an outpost of Western Civilization surrounded by Islamic Civilization), which Muslims generally dislike or hate.

Islamic enmity toward Israel is complicated, but hatred of Jews and Israel can be traced at least to the success of Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda starting in 1933.

a. Nazi dissemination of anti-Semitic ideas influenced and continues to influence Middle-Eastern Muslims.

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This is basically President Obama's narrative. Hatred of Israel and the Jews arose as a result of the Holocaust and Nazi Germany. It has nothing to do with the teachings and the example of Muhammad in the Qur'an.


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b. The victory of young Israel over five Arab states in 1948 stunned Arabs.

7. Islamic conservatives, who impede the move to modernity.

8. Islamic liberals, who impede the move back to the past.

a. The arch-enemy is the Turkish secularizer Kemal Atatürk, the Father of modern Turkey, who secularized the remains of the Ottoman Empire in 1923, eliminating Shari‘a law from the Turkish constitution and secularizing the new Turkish government.

Wahhabis such as al Qaeda are enemies not only of Western nations. The USA looms so large in their eyes because of its power. Even Muslim-friendly governments such as France and Britain are targets of Wahhabi hatred. They hate all forms of Islam that deviate from their beliefs.

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That Wahhabi or Salafi Islam deviates from the core teachings of Islam is highly debatable. Because I need to get back to work, I did not have the time to study this curriculum exhaustively. I will leave it to others. Suffice it to say, Ronald Wiltse appears to believe the jihadists pervert historic or core Islamic teachings. Maybe I am jumping to an unwarranted conclusion.

"We also have to consider that the idea of governance in regulation, taxation and tort reform would make us FAR less dependent on sources from the Middle East, and I'm not talking about crude oil."

Sorry, I did not finish my post. Albeit, what you write is critical - Obama is destroying the institutions that made this nation prosper - these are separate issues, the economy and Islam, the jihad, etc.

Yes, there is only one candidate who has clean hands and spotless record a mile long. Only one candidate who's only platform is the uncompromising adherence to the Constitution of the United States.

His name is Ron Paul.

If Gov. Perry is elected, and even before, it is incumbent on Christians to pray for our brother to receive Wisdom on these matters. I also have heard him on interviews saying how frustrating it is to deal with the White House about the Texas border problem. It also seems that Gov. Christie of New Jersey has much stronger ties with Islam than does Perry.

If Gov. Perry is elected, and even before, it is incumbent on Christians to pray for our brother to receive Wisdom on these matters. I also have heard him on interviews saying how frustrating it is to deal with the White House about the Texas border problem. It also seems that Gov. Christie of New Jersey has much stronger ties with Islam than does Perry.

Ron Paul is appallingly ignorant about Islam. He seems to think that if the US washes its hands of Israel and just stays out of the Middle East that the Islamic world will leave us alone, that it's actually our fault that they're mad at us in the first place. It would be difficult to be more ignorant about Islam even if one tried.

GI, I read the other day, Perry says he is praying for Obama.

Perry: "Frankly I pray for the president every day. I pray for his wisdom, I pray that God will open his eyes. I wish this president would turn back the health care law that's been passed, ask that his EPA back down these regulations that are causing businesses to hesitate to spend money."

Maybe it is the Jew in me. I believe there are some men who are beyond redemption, at least in "this world." I am praying that God will remove Obama from office, November 2012. I am praying the opposition has the courage to withstand and defeat him politically. I do not want to see any compromise with Obama on fundamental issues. Compromise is deadly.

As far as Perry is concerned, if he is not up to speed on Islam ten years out from 9/11 attacks, I think you are wasting your time praying for him. He needs to be exposed and confronted / challenged by counter-jihadists and ultimately by the other candidates whom he is seeking to outflank.

Unlike hot-button issues like abortion and gay rights, Islam (if it is handled properly) is a welcome topic in the debates and on the campaign trail in the eyes of the vast majority of the American people.

Ron Paul is an isolationist. But I must confess to being puzzled as to why we are spending our national treasure to liberate people who, ultimately, will try to kill us.

Afghanistan is grave yard of superpowers, and yet the cavemen keep coming. What's the point? I say, if they get too dangerous, nuke 'em.

A "moderate" muslim is merely a terrorist-in-waiting.

"Certainly, for America’s sake, it is imperative that Barack Obama be defeated in 2012. But that is no excuse to accept any candidate who looks as if he could beat him, no matter how potentially damaging his associations or poor his judgment."

It is also important that we not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. No candidate is sacrosanct but if you're looking for perfection you're going to be disappointed every time.
Suppose we don't find a perfect candidate? What then?

"Islamic enmity toward Israel is complicated, but hatred of Jews and Israel can be traced at least to the success of Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda starting in 1933."

Tell that to the Jews of Khaybar. Oooops, can't cause they were murdered. The murder of the Jews of Khaybar is used to illustrate the perfect example of their prophet as demonstrated on countless occassions with the following frothing chant:

"Khaybar, Khaybar, ya Yahud, jaish Muhammad sa yaoud" -- "Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews, the army of Muhammad will return."

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[In Spencer's book,] "The Truth About Muhammad, Muhammad led a Muslim force against the Khaybar oasis, which was inhabited by Jews -- many of whom he had previously exiled from Medina. When he did so, he was not responding to any provocation. One of the Muslims later remembered: "When the apostle raided a people he waited until the morning. If he heard a call to prayer he held back; if he did not hear it he attacked. We came to Khaybar by night, and the apostle passed the night there; and when morning came he did not hear the call to prayer, so he rode and we rode with him....We met the workers of Khaybar coming out in the morning with their spades and baskets. When they saw the apostle and the army they cried, 'Muhammad with his force,' and turned tail and fled. The apostle said, 'Allah Akbar! Khaybar is destroyed. When we arrive in a people's square it is a bad morning for those who have been warned.'"
The Muslim advance was inexorable. "The apostle," according to Muhammad's earliest biographer, Ibn Ishaq, "seized the property piece by piece and conquered the forts one by one as he came to them." Another biographer of Muhammad, Ibn Sa'd, reports that the battle was fierce: the "polytheists...killed a large number of [Muhammad's] Companions and he also put to death a very large number of them....He killed ninety-three men of the Jews..." Muhammad and his men offered the fajr prayer, the Islamic dawn prayer, before it was light, and then entered Khaybar itself. The Muslims immediately set out to locate the inhabitants' wealth. A Jewish leader of Khaybar, Kinana bin al-Rabi, was brought before Muhammad; Kinana was supposed to have been entrusted with the treasure of on of the Jewish tribes of Arabia, the Banu Nadir. Kinana denied knowing where this treasure was, but Muhammad pressed him: "Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?" Kinana said yes, that he did know that.
Some of the treasure was found. To find the rest, Muhammad gave orders concerning Kinana: "Torture him until you extract what he has." One of the Muslims built a fire on Kinana's chest, but Kinana would not give up his secret. When he was at the point of death, one of the Muslims beheaded him. Kinana's wife was taken as a war prize; Muhammad claimed her for himself and hastily arranged a wedding ceremony that night. He halted the Muslims' caravan out of Khaybar later that night in order to consummate the marriage.
Muhammad agreed to let the people of Khaybar to go into exile, allowing them to keep as much of their property as they could carry. The Prophet of Islam, however, commanded them to leave behind all their gold and silver. He had intended to expel all of them, but some, who were farmers, begged him to allow them to let them stay if they gave him half their yield annually. Muhammad agreed: "I will allow you to continue here, so long as we would desire." He warned them: "If we wish to expel you we will expel you." They no longer had any rights that did not depend upon the good will and sufferance of Muhammad and the Muslims. And indeed, when the Muslims discovered some treasure that some of the Khaybar Jews had hidden, he ordered the women of the tribe enslaved and seized the perpetrators' land. A hadith notes that "the Prophet had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives."
Thus when modern-day jihadists invoke Khaybar, they are recalling an aggressive, surprise raid by Muhammad which resulted in the final eradication of the once considerable Jewish presence in Arabia. To the jihadists, Khaybar means the destruction of the Jews and the seizure of their property by the Muslims.

Thus, Islamic anti-semitism was birthed by Islam's prophet, Muhammad at the Khaybar oasis, not during WWII by the Nazis.


I listened to Rick Santorum on Hannity the other night and was impressed, especially with his explicit recognition of the islamic Menace. I hope he has a chance; he's a viable alternative to many of the current players.

Pam Geller (on her site today) wrote: "Michele Bachmann signed the no sharia pledge. Rick Santorum is brilliant and brave on Islam. John Bolton, should he get into the race, understands the threat. Even Palin spoke against the Ground Zero mosque. Newt Gingrich (whom I dislike intensely) gets it on Islam. And they don't pal around with Grover."

It could be argued that a Republican president can do more damage with respect to Islam, our allies, etc., than a Democratic president. Why? Conservatives, Republicans, Republican leaders were virtually silent when Bush said and did egregious things with respect to Islam, Israel, the "war on terror," etc. Conservatives, Republicans and Republican leaders are fighting Obama.

If Perry is our next president, I can see Limbaugh and others carrying his water, even as he sells out our principles. They did not learn a thing from the Bush years! I am listening to Limbaugh in the background as I type. He is an out and out spokes-mouth for Rick Perry. I've not heard a thing from Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity, Boortz or any other conservative / libertarian-leaning talk show host on Perry's troubling background. Have you?

Savage is delighted that Perry is leaving Bachmann behind in the latest polls.

WTD, thanks. Did you transcribe all that from Spencer's book? If you copied and pasted, from where did you copy and paste?

OK folks , several years back i tried to warn people about my old Neighbourhood in Toronto that became a pro-taliban slum from all the Afghan "Refugees" pouring into it and then imposing Shariah Law locally.
Prior to 9/11/01 we had the Pro-taliban Muslims on Danforth defending the destruction of the Budha Statues and then spewing hatred for candians because the Pro-taliban Supremacy thugs saw that many outraged non-muslims refused to shop in their store by protesting with their wallets.
These Supremacy thugs cried to the media and got TV air-time too, but oh how quiet they were when their Afghan brothers supported the pre-9/11 slaughter once the Jihad took palce that day.
Suddenly the Taqqiyah was in high gear and the same Muslims played the victim and then said that they had nothing to do with the support for the Talibans enabling of the Camps to train Jihadists.
Then....as usual, the soundrels last resort was patriotism by wrapping themselves in the Candians flag and climing they were candian Citizens and had Rights to be assume Innocent.
The archives for this area's news stories will have the WTC-Style basement bombing that failed for the tall Apartment unit in that same Pro-Taliban area after canada sent Troops to Afghanistan . The Fire Dept. and Media reported the failed Jihad bombing as a Power-Box failure that over loaded and exploided which ignited fuel tanks on cars...yah,sure it did and somehow the cement underground structure caught fire and spread to metal fuel tanks and melted them. Rosie would never beleive that story that heat melted metal fuek tanks. The building was tilted and the foundation had massive cracks with black smoke puffing up out of them.

NOW, with all of that in mind.
Here's the story from yesterday where a Imam from that area is allgeded to be a pedophile and up on about 5 charges for sexual attacks on kids around 13.
This is the same area that had another Mysterous Mosque arson by islamophobes that no one saw and has yet to see one arrest, but that Mosque got to by-pass the Zoning Laws and rebuilt a bigger Mosque to be higher than Churches. I point this out because there is a pattern in the News for Mosque arsons to old 1-storey units declared as Mosques when bought , BUT....they become Mega Mosques via the Fire damage to rebuild and meet the new codes which pretty well replaces 90% of the structure.


Check out this Imam and ask why there is no Outrage as Muslims love to do for Homosexual Preists that were pedophiles?? One audio report had another Cleric declare him Innocent because he's a good-muslim and good quranic teacher. But the man is 48 and the victims 13, the Imam's idol is Muhammed who was about 53 when he raped Aisha who was 9 .
So i can see why Muslims can't deem this a CRIME when they wear their Shariah Law glasses. Lets see is CAIR alerts non-muslims to guard their temples and Children because this Imam will trigger more SPS ( sudden pedophile syndrome) copy-cat perv's that will now stalk Chruches and Jewist Temples. If the Norway killer had CAIR warned canadian muslims to be very scared of copy-cat killers in canada that will slaughter only muslims, then it makes sense to alert every parent or faith to watch for the SPS muslims plotting to rape our kids.

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A Toronto imam faces 13 charges connected to alleged sex assaults that started when he came to Canada in 2008.

Last Wednesday, police arrested Mohammad Masroor, 48, and charged him with sex-related offences and threatening death for alleged incidents between Nov. 1, 2008, and July 28 of this year.
He remains in police custody, but officers declined to say when he was due in court because of a publication ban.
Friends told CityNews he has a wife and five children.

At a Wednesday news conference, Det. Const. Karen Armstrong said the charges are linked to five victims, both male and female. Over the course of a three-week investigation, police identified more potential victims and believe there may be others.

“[Masroor] is a person who is seen as a leader in the community and in a position of trust,” Armstrong said.
“We understand in sexual assault investigations there may be a reluctance to come forward and report the offences.
“The Toronto Police Service and our Victim Services unit are here to support the victims in this investigation and support any additional victims that may come forward.”

Masroor has taught at the Baitul Mukarram Islamic Society on DANFORTH Avenue and in Toronto homes.
Police say he travels extensively and has lived and worked in Florida, Michigan, his home country Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Singapore, Europe and elsewhere.

Armstrong said police do not yet know of any charges laid outside of Toronto. In the meantime, friends and students responded to the news with shock.
"Everybody likes him in this community, when I heard about this it really shocked me," said Abdul Fattah Aboud, an imam at a nearby mosque. "I'm shocked."
Shabin Choudhury's son was one of Masroor's students.

"He was a very good teacher, very good teacher," he said. "And he's a good imam."

With files from CityNews reporter Melanie Ng

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OMG folks, they're "Shocked, shocked I tell you" .

He was a god man and well liked in the community, Blah blah, blah blah blah blah.

I expect that the conspiracy will be that he is being Tortured into a false confession by the Jew-Run Police and the Jew0run media is covering up the truth that he is innocent.

Note how quickly these dirtballs shift the harm to the kids and make the narrative about the Imam and how it must be a lie because he's a good Msulim and canada must be islamphobic to take sides with kids that allege being raped.
CAIR did the same thing for the Norwaty killer when they refused to focus on the dead children while rushing to link Robert and Christianity to the mass murders . Is it any shock that CAIR gloats over the Victory-Mosque at Ground-Zero which rewrites History to make Muslims the victims of islamphobia and "To hell" with the 3000 civlians cremated against their will by 19 muslims .
Yes Muslims, the pathetic CBC wants to run a 10 year special for 9/11 but focus on how Chretien and Bush did it to keep Oil at $25.00 a barrell and run a gas pipeline across Afghanistan.
24 camdians died that day by MUSLIM hijackers, not mormons, not jews, not budhist but MUSLIMS and CAIR has got to get over it that islam did have something to do with it.

I'm watching the CAIR- Canada webiste for their spin on this to blame the Medisa for inciting hatred, but CAIR wil incite muslims to riot and kill by their rants of bogus islamophobia.
Robert had it right when Mustafa spew hate at him and incited Muslims to attack Robert and yet Mustafa blamed the Norway killers action on Roberts website. CAIR-canada is now a cancer and ward to be rid of befor their followers resort to suicide bomings in canada. Just watch how fast CAIR and Imam's embrace scanners and profiling when the first Niqab-clad non-muslim goes jihad in a mosque as a suicide-bomber on our soil.
THEN Hooper will change his rants .

Thanks Robert for this more detailed information and Mr. Perry's current and past Islamic connections. I have "read over" Pams' recent postings but did not pay particular attention until today.
Rick was NOT my initial hope for the GOP nomination (a couple of others are) BUT he has been getting my favorable attention lately with some of his rhetoric.
The information you have posted has cautioned me a lot about Rick. Being a "registered Islamophobe" the past 8 years, I will NOT consider voting for Mr. Perry UNTIL He answers many of the questions you and Pam have asked. I do not care if I am considered a "conpiracist" nut or not. From His past connections mentioned, Mr. Perry just "might" be Part-2 of the destruction from within of the US by Islamic Power Brokers who can "buy" the right Politicians at the right time with the right "message" to get elected by the masses and then continue with the HARM once he is power..

Another point of view:

Despite ties to the Aga Khan, Perry has avoided broadly embracing Islam

By Mary Tuma | 08.16.11 | 1:21 pm 11

A recent Salon article exploring the “surprisingly warm” relationship between Texas Gov. Rick Perry and the Muslim community leans on the Republican presidential candidate’s ties to the Aga Khan, religious leader of the Ismailis — a sect of Shia Islam — as evidence he is well-connected to at least one group of Muslims.

Its headline wonders if Perry will be considered “the pro-Shariah candidate,” during his bid to win the GOP nomination, a label sure to make some conservative voters cringe.

Perry has embraced small sects of Islam like the Ismailis, while avoiding close ties to the broader Muslim community.
Perry’s cozy relationship with the Aga Khan, an extremely affluent jet-setting billionaire, is mutually and monetarily beneficial. Khan’s far-reaching network spends $350 million a year on projects in South Asia, Africa and the Middle East. The governor has capitalized on the leader’s scope and influence, agreeing to partnerships, including a deal with The University of Texas and the Aga Khan University in Pakistan to bring Muslim history and cultural studies to high school educators....

http://washingtonindependent.com/115077/despite-ties-to-the-aga-khan-perry-has-avoided-broadly-embracing-islam

Maybe someone wants to read this Tea Party leader's piece; Erick Erickson, a strong Perry supporter. I wonder which candidates Erickson is "weeding out." I have been banned from accessing the Red State website, presumably because of some stuff I posted earlier about former President Bush.

Maybe someone would be kind enough to post which candidate Erickson thinks need to weeded out so that Perry can lead the way.

Red State can be found at: http://www.redstate.com/

Erickson wrote:

The Hired Guns Fire

Tim Pawlenty is out of the race. Rick Perry is in the race. Not only is Perry in, he is surging to first place in the Rasmussen polling. But it is still Mitt Romney’s race to lose right now.

The race is beginning to find some momentum of its own. Rick Perry’s entry was not a Fred Thompson entry as some expected. He is dominating the conversation and forcing both Democrats and Republicans to respond to him. Whether he can keep it up and whether it blows back on him will be interesting to see moving forward.

Today, we have to spend time weeding out candidates, which will make some of you mad. Also, we’ll deal with Paul Ryan and Chris Christie.

The horse race gallops ahead.

Click Here to Read Erick's Full Analysis!

"Ron Paul is appallingly ignorant about Islam"

Exactly. No Ron Paul, nohow, nowhere. What a joke he would be as a president.

Personally, I like Bachmann and Santorum also. The question is: can they win? I worry more that we are looking for the perfect candidate. Their views on Islam just aren't enough. Large portions of the American electorate don't feel threatened by Islamists. We may have to settle for half a loaf. Whatever his shortcomings, I will feel more comfortable with Perry at the helm than I do with Obama. I don't sense divided loyalties from Perry. I think he will defend America.
I wasn't sure about Chris Christie but I voted for him for governor because he was the better choice. I see a similar choice coming next year. If the choice in November, 2012 is between Perry and Obama, I will take Perry. He may not be the ideal choice but he's far better than the alternative.

Beware of the OIC (Octopus of Islamic Conquest), its tentacles extend everywhere, delivering wads of petrodollars to helpful dhimmi politicians.

JW friends, get the best GOP race handicap from Dick Morris at the link beneath.

If he is right, Perry may not be as strong a candidate as
many may be saying.
A must see.


http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/whos-up-whos-down-in-gop-field-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/

"I will feel more comfortable with Perry at the helm than I do with Obama."

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I suspect you are right to feel that way. Obama has been a nightmare for me personally. I want him voted out of office, Nov. 2012, in the worst way. Days after the 9/11 attacks, Perry wrote the following in part:

"I ask that all Texans be mindful that the attacks on New York City and Washington are not the work of the Islamic faithful, but the work of terrorists – of fanatics – who have HIJACKED (emphasis mine) the name of religion for their campaign of hatred.....Like most of the world’s major religions, the Islamic faith preaches peace, love and tolerance. Indeed, terrorism is the antithesis of the basic tenet to which the one billion Islamic followers all over the world adhere."

I would like to know if Perry still believes this nonsense. Perry might restore some fiscal sanity to this nation - I expect he would - but I worry about the long-term (and maybe not so long-term) future of this nation with Perry's kind of dangerous thinking.

Citing a wet behind the ears moslem apologist at Salon.com is credible? Since when?

BTW, she really outdid herself in WAY overhype and sensationalism last year during the oil spill. It was horrendously bad reporting in the Alex Jones sensationalism nonfactual way. Lots of other websites fell for such stupidity. Luckily for us, the Obama Administration was just as lacking in intelligence (including "Ah" Chu)or else they could have quashed the GOP just on all the nonsensical reporting and the claims being made.

Perry's ties to Aga Khan are troubling indeed...and I'd vote for him in a heart-beat should he face Obama in the general election.

wildjew,

The problem is there are no easy answers. Perry probably did the right thing when he made that statement. He had to maintain order and, given the circumstances, I really don't fault him for what he said. It was probably more truth than not. You and I might call it nonsense but we'll have a hard time convincing most Americans. Even New Yorkers pride themselves on diversity. Everyone knows a 'good' Muslim. We work with them. Does that mean we don't hold the principles on which this country was founded near and dear? Of course not. So why should Perry have to apologize for his own associations? I'm really having a hard time condemning him for that. We shouldn't anoint him but we shouldn't automatically discount him, either. I agree with you that the question is how he would approach the situation TODAY. It's not an easy question to answer. There ARE peaceful Muslims living in America. Even the candidates who admit to the Islamist menace won't condemn all Muslims. Where do we go from here?

PMK, I've got to respectfully disagree. That kind of language is what gave us Barack Hussein Obama, the most dangerous U.S. president yet; bar none. Bush and Perry did not have to come out with, "we are at war with Islam," but neither should they have to mislead the public as they did. It was unconscionable! It's not about "condemning all Muslims."

"Houston, we have problem," might have been a better message out of the mouth of Perry. Out of the mouth of Bush post 9/11. In other words we know (you and I, as do Bush and Perry unless there are complete morons) there is something essentially wrong in the Muslim world (within Islam itself) that needs attention and needs to be addressed.

Should the Muslim world be offended; should the Muslim not be at all receptive to that message - i.e., "you have a problem that needs addressing" - while thousands of American citizens lay in smouldering ruins beneath the World Trade Center towers, then I say "TOUGH."

What say you?

Wildjew, this also continues our earlier conversations. This is also for the benefit of Citizen K, Guide Inside, and a few others.

I did not vote for Obama in '08, and the Republicans are going to have to run a combination thief, pedophile, and cannibal before I'll vote for Obama in '012--and, even in that scenario, I'd probably vote for a third party out of principle. This is why I stood up for your earlier defense of Perry, and why I reflected on what politics in a multi-ethnic country involves.

BTW, re your exchange with GI, I also pray that God will give Mr. Obama wisdom. It's something I pray for anyone who sits in the Oval Office. Who knows? Maybe God will be merciful to us and change hearts. If HaShem could change the heart of Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel 4:34-37), He can do the same with anyone--even a president we'll both vote against in '012, should we all live so long.

Further, if I seem irenic about Muslims from time to time, please remember that I've shared pew space in church with ex-Muslims.

But I also think Candidate Perry should be vetted; as all politicians should, even if I'm inclined to see that his contacts with Islam are, in fact, personal friendships to individual Muslims (I'm guilty of that myself) and political maneuvering rather than an actual sympathy for Islam as a religion.

No 'Bama in '012!

Was Nebuchadnezzar evil or was he a stubborn, self-important king? I would argue he was the later. Remember Nebuchadnezzar showed kindness to Daniel and his Jewish friends. Is Obama stubborn or is he evil? Obama hates Israel in my opinion. I would argue Obama is evil. Not to make a direct comparison - there are no perfect comparisons - would you have prayed for Adolf Hitler?

Congrats, you almost made it through a whole post without mentioning homosexuals or gays. Are you aware that as many or more pedophiles are heterosexual? How do you assume all Catholic priests who commit pedophilia are homosexuals? Is that what you meant to say? Just curious.

There is no "perfect" candidate but in order to protect our freedoms and defeat islam we must have a candidate that completely understands the threat that islam is to the country. Someone who has the courage to stand up to every threat that islam can muster. Hands down this is the most important issue today.

There's no question that Perry, like every candidate, needs to be vetted. The simplistic defenses, relying on the Salon piece, aren't doing Perry or the party any favors.

This is an election, not a coronation and Perry needs to be scrutinized before the general election, not during. That's our responsibility.

Some of his Islamic affinities are troubling and the question deserves to be fully examined, rather than dismissed out of hand. Anyone who cares about the truth and the future of the country will agree.

Well Robert - Rick Perry will be one of the best friends of Israel ever to occupy the White House. And it's truly a stretch to believe Mr. Perry supports Islam in whatever way, duped or not! Whether you like it or not we Christians "are" Israel's best friends...and yes, because of Jesus - a Jew - our Lord and Savior. BE DAMN GLAD FOR IT FOR WE "ARE" LOYAL!!

But then again, maybe Rick Perry is a closet Jihadist - who would have thought it...

Robert’s post does us all a service by raising legitimate questions about Rick Perry. If he is willing to strike deals with a Muslim sect to “educate” Texas school children and not look too closely at his partner’s associations, then he couldn’t be trusted to NOT make similar deals with other Muslims, or even with Harry Reid, or George Soros. Suppose it became known that Calvin Coolidge had had semi-hidden ties with Al Capone’s gang? Does anyone believe he would have won the election (he succeeded Harding, who died in office) had he not been vetted? Frankly, any Muslim sect is incalculably worse than the Capone gang. Norquist is my idea of a political schizophrenic. We should be asking: Who’s his sugar daddy?

Thanks to “WiseJew” for the peek into the textbook material. I agree with his conclusion that the Ismaili-vetted text by Ronald Wiltse is more of the same evasive equivocation, and echoes George Bush’s contention that Islam was “hijacked” by extremists. I’m betting the lesson plan doesn’t question Islam as a totalitarian ideology, either. More subsidized taqiyya, the better to indoctrinate helpless school children. Why doesn’t Perry just raise the Islamic crescent and star over the Alamo? No, wait. The Mexicans have already done that. They and the Muslims will have to duke it out.

I frankly don’t care if the Ismailis are “peaceful.” Their “bible” is the Koran, and the Koran is a prescription for imposing a totalitarian ideology dressed in religious garb. If the Imailis want to be known as “peaceful,” they can excise the Koran of all verses that sanction violence against non-believers. This would entail contradicting Mohammad and Allah, which is not allowed. Then they can repudiate Islam and stop being Muslims.

“WiseJew” also featured in the textbook lesson plan Kemal Ataturk’s place in Islamic history. “The arch-enemy [of Islam] is the Turkish secularizer Kemal Ataturk, the Father of modern Turkey, who secularized the remains of the Ottoman Empire in 1923, eliminating Shari‘a law from the Turkish constitution and secularizing the new Turkish government.” Yes, Ataturk “secularized” Turkey, but not before he oversaw the deliberate destruction of Smyrna in 1922 during his rise to power and unleashed the Turkish army on Christian Armenians and Greeks in an orgy of rape, murder and looting, in which tens of thousands perished and the whole Christian population was deported. The Turks made a deal with the Muslim and Jewish quarters of Smyrna and their homes and businesses went un-torched. This was a continuation of the Armenian Holocaust. No hero mine, Ataturk.

Finally, I don’t like Perry because he, like George Bush, is an evangelical Christian. As an atheist, I shudder when I look at the GOP line-up. They’re all rabid God-guys who believe the U.S. was founded as a Christian nation. Well, it wasn’t. Christians are as capable of taqiyya on the faith issues as are Muslims. For a few years now several “scholarly” books have appeared that allege the Christian underpinnings of the Constitution and our judicial system, and which completely ignore the fact that the Founders exerted great effort to separate church and state, having observed the deleterious consequences of state religions in European history. The question is never asked: If the Founders intended the U.S. to be a “Christian” nation, wouldn’t they have consciously incorporated the Ten Commandments (or was it Twenty?) in the Constitution?

Sure, I want the federal (and state and municipal) government to be as “inconsequential” in my life as possible. And I also want religionists and ghost-worshippers and prophet-panderers out of my life, as well. Man is a being of volitional consciousness, and his nature should determine the proper morality by which to live and prosper.

According to the Jerusalem Post Perry is a friend of Israel
http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=233871&R=R5

wildjew,
What policy do we implement? Do we expel all Muslims? Do we ban Islam? Do we require Muslims to renounce jihad?

Do we condemn Perry (and Christie) for having Muslim acquaintances and friendships? If so, then we condemn a huge swath of Americans.

A man in Perry's position is bound to have had consequential relationships with Muslims. Does that mean I shouldn't trust him to lead the country?

I'm back where I started. He might not be my first choice but he's a darn sight better than what we have now.

I'm a big admirer of of Robert Spencer's scholarship and Jihadwatch, but the comments here are a good example of why I read Jwatch ONLY for its exegesis of Islamic scriputes/ ideology and not for political insights.
Sorry, Robert, but the reason I don't support you economically is that your political views are inconsistent with my own. I never fail to be amused by how Obama is on the one hand vilified by Jwatch readers as being a looney leftist soft on Islam while on the other he is vilified by the leftists for not closing Guantanamo, not pushing for increased taxes on the wealthy, and mostly for continuing the Bush instigated wars in Iraq and Afghanistan instead of getting our armed forces out asap and punishing the former Bush officials who lied us into them in the first place. By the way, the only reason I can be "amused" at the sorry state of affairs in the USA is because I have expatted to a less belicose and unjust society.
As for those who read this and who really believe that taxes on the wealthy should not be increased, you should read what billionaire Warren Buffet has to say about that. Until the US gets its fiscal condition in order by increasing revenue you can expect more bad economic news and hardship, e.g., more unemployment, greater disparity in wealth, more hunger and poorer health care for an ever increasing lower class, higher drug use with affiliated crime, the S&P to lower again the US credit worthiness, and a spiraling downward socioeconomic condition the likes of which will duplicate the Great Depression of the 1930s.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/op...ef=todayspaper

The title of the Jerusalem Post (JTA) piece: "Rick Perry is longtime friend of Israel - and Jesus."

Perry's Jesus is not the Jesus I know from the gospel accounts. Perry's Jesus lies about Islam. Perry's Jesus advances a troubling, apologetic curriculum in Texas classrooms; which teaches, "The religion that the Prophet Muhammad preached provided his followers an ethical and moral vision for leading a life of righteousness."

Perry's Jesus befriends an Imam with troubling ties to Islamic terrorist regimes. Perry's Imam (speaking of Muslims who elect shariah-compliant regimes to represent them) hold that: "You either accept the results of democracy or you don’t. Otherwise you talk about qualifying democracy."

Rick Perry's Jesus befriends enemies who advance the stealth jihad in America, enemies of Judeo-Christian values like Grover Norquist.

Perry's Jesus is not the Jesus I know.

"I'm back where I started. He might not be my first choice but he's a darn sight better than what we have now."

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Little doubt, you are correct. At a minimum, I would like him to answer this question. Does Governor Rick Perry stand by the following statement he wrote only days after the September 11, 2001 Muslim-terror attacks in New York and Washington?

Perry: "I ask that all Texans be mindful that the attacks on New York City and Washington are not the work of the Islamic faithful, but the work of terrorists – of fanatics – who have hijacked the name of religion for their campaign of hatred.....Like most of the world’s major religions, the Islamic faith preaches peace, love and tolerance. Indeed, terrorism is the antithesis of the basic tenet to which the one billion Islamic followers all over the world adhere."

PMK, is it a fair question?

PMK, we know Obama was seen carrying Fareed Zakaria's "The Post-American World," after he was inaugurated January 2009. I would like to know (wouldn't you?) what authors - what scholars and authorities on Islam - Rick Perry and the other Republican candidates read and are reading in the post 9/11 world. Has Governor Perry gleaned most of what he he knows about Islam from his friends Aga Khan and Grover Norquist?

Read excerpts from the curriculum Governor Perry imposed on Texas school children at:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/08/perryaga-curriculum-shocking-example-of-islamic-propaganda-forced-upon-unsuspecting-students-attendi.html

Atlas reader Dave writes:

"I'm willing to grant Gov. Perry the benefit of the doubt and believe that his actions are the product of naiveté and ignorance, rather than actual hostility to the West. However, his ignorance is inexcusable, and the damage he has done is immense. If Barack Obama had imposed such a curriculum on schools we'd be calling for his impeachment. Therefore it is unconscionable to look the other way when it comes to Perry. In my opinion, not only should Perry not be President, he should be impeached from the Texas governorship..."

Dave

I've read the Buffett article, darmanad, and Buffett is clueless. He thinks taxing is the problem. Well, it isn't. It's the spending. We spend ridiculous amounts on ridiculous things, like almost two million dollars given to California professors so they can go and study ants in the Indian Ocean area or three quarters of a million dollars for a Gerogia Tech professor to study jazz. This is not what tax money should be spent on (both of these examples come from the Obama Stumulus money). Then there is all the fraud and waste in Medicare and Medicaid and it's getting worse every decade. And what about the Department of Education which spends billions accomplishing what? Why do we need a Department of Education? Joe Lieberman has been asking this question for some time.

Obama has piled up more debt than all Presidents combined have from George Washington through Ronald Reagan. This is a staggering fact and Buffett conveniently doesn't mention it in his article. Moreover, to the extent that taxing is a problem it's that Americans are taxed too much. Are you aware that the Bush tax cut of 2003 brought in 785 billion more dollars for the US Government between 2004 and 2007? And the Reagan tax cuts almost doubled federal revenue from income taxation between 1981 and 1989. Spare me Buffett. It's a shame a man like him has such an ablility for making money while being so dopey about other things.

If Buffett wants to may more taxes, he can pay my taxes. Business are waiting-out this dangerous president. Why would any sane business person invest or expand his or her business, not knowing what is coming down next from this Marxist-extremist who is fundamentally transforming the nation?

I'm sure this CEO speaks for many small businesses.

Watch:

http://www.breitbart.tv/small-businesswomans-epic-rant-against-obamas-disastrous-economic-policies/

Americans for Tax Reform president Grover Norquist volunteered a guarded assessment of Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann on Friday.

“There’s a possibility that Bachmann’s the flavor of the month,” Norquist told The Hill. “I would be less surprised to see her drop in the polls over the next few weeks [or] months than I would Perry or Romney.”

Norquist, a longtime anti-tax advocate who has not endorsed a candidate, had kinder words for the week-old presidential candidacy of Texas Gov. Rick Perry.

Perry “fills this big empty spot” in the Republican primary field, Norquist said.

He predicted that if Perry “doesn’t trip on the way in, it’s him, Romney and Bachmann.” He added: “I think Perry’s in a great position. He’s always spoken to social conservatives by who he is. The economic stuff he can talk about all day, and he doesn’t have to throw up flares.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/19/grover-norquist-bachmann-could-just-be-flavor-of-the-month/#ixzz1VUQp3j91

wildjew,

You ask very fair questions. I want to hear the answers. Maybe some enterprising journalist will do the vetting on Perry that he didn't see fit to do on Obama.
Not being a huge donor and not living in an early or consequential primary state, I'm not likely to see much of the candidates and so I won't get to ask these questions.

But your questions weren't the ones being asked by Robert. He wanted to disqualify Perry because of who he knows. I just think Robert's jumping to conclusions even as he calls on all of us not to 'anoint' the guy.
I'm not prepared to write off Perry as some closet Islamist. I'm just not. Not yet, anyway.

PMK, I did not get the impression Spencer wants to disqualify Perry because of who he knows. Not in the least. I got the impression Spencer wants some answers from Perry, as do I. Who a politician runs with is critical. That is why most of us knew who Barack Obama was and where his sympathies were. A politicians long-term associations are critical. Surely you understand that important fact. There is another thing I want to know from these Republican candidates. Where do they each stand on the phony peace process Obama is pursuing? Where do the candidates stand on working to establish a Muslim-enemy state in Israel's heartland? Perry claims to be a Bible-believing Christian. He believes God gave the land of Israel to the Jewish people. Where would he stand if he is the president? Where will Romney, Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Gingrich, etc., stand?

It's perverse how the wealthy have been able to position themselves as the victims in our society because of unfair taxes. Its laughable how little most people who frequent these boards know about econmics but who purport to maintain the Tea Pary mantra that high taxes are causing the US's dismal condition.
The tax rates in the USA are among the lowet in the industrialized world. It was not that long ago that the highest rates for wealthy earners were over 70% (Eisenhower)Lowering taxes does not result in result in increased fed revenue.
A combination of increased revenue and savvy government spending appears to be the correct formula to stimulate the economy. I am especially convinced by former Reagan OMB Director Stockton's take on the proposed tax changes set forth below:
Holtz-Eakin: "You are not going to get tax cuts to pay for themselves." As director of the Congressional Budget Office in 2005, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who later became senior policy adviser on McCain's presidential campaign, released a study of a 10-percent federal income tax cut, which concluded that "the budgetary impact of the economic changes was estimated to offset between 1 percent and 22 percent of the revenue loss from the tax cut over the first five years and add as much as 5 percent to that loss or offset as much as 32 percent of it over the second five years." In other words, during the first five years of a 10-percent tax cut, the resulting economic impact on the budget would offset at most 22 percent of the federal revenues lost and during the second five years would offset at most 32 percent of the revenues lost. Holtz-Eakin also reportedly told Boston Globe columnist Scot Lehigh, "You are not going to get tax cuts to pay for themselves."
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Reagan tax cuts and Bush tax cuts "contributed to record US budget deficits." Harvard economist and former Clinton economic advisor Jeffrey Frankel wrote in 2008 that cuts in federal income tax rates "reduces revenue ... this was the outcome of the two big experiments of recent decades: the Reagan tax cuts of 1981-83 and the Bush tax cuts of 2001-03, both of which contributed to record US budget deficits." Frankel added that this is "the view of almost all professional economists, including the illustrious economic advisers to Presidents Reagan (OMB Stockman, Richard Darman) and Bush "
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Chair of Bush's Counsel of Economic Advisers Lazear: "We do not say the tax cuts pay for themselves." .. during his September 26, 2006, testimony before the Senate Budget Committee, Lazear said: LAZEAR: Will the tax cuts pay for themselves? As a general rule, we do not think tax cuts pay for themselves. Certainly, the data presented above do not support this claim. Tax revenues in 2006 appear to have recovered to the level seen at this point in previous business cycles, but this does not make up for the lost revenue during 2003, 2004,and 2005
.................................................. ........Paulson: "As a general rule, I don't believe that tax cuts pay for themselves." Marketwatch reported on June 27, 2006, that then Treasury Secretary-nominee Henry Paulson "rejected notions that tax cuts pay for themselves":Paulson rejected notions that tax cuts pay for themselves, but argued that they were nonetheless essential to ensuring economic growth. "As a general rule, I don't believe that tax cuts pay for themselves," Paulson said, echoing the opinion of most economists.
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Former Bush economist: "[N]o dispute among economists" that Bush tax cuts reduced revenue. The Washington Post reported on October 17, 2006: "Federal revenue is lower today than it would have been without the tax cuts. There's really no dispute among economists about that," said Alan D. Viard, a former Bush White House economist now at the nonpartisan American Enterprise Institute. "It's logically possible" that a tax cut could spur sufficient economic growth to pay for itself, Viard said. "But there's no evidence that these tax cuts would come anywhere close to that."
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Bush OMB Director: Tax cuts do not "totally pay for themselves." According to a November 15, 2007, Washington Post editorial, Jim Nussle, then the director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), told reporters, "Some say that [the tax cut] was a total loss. Some say they totally pay for themselves. It's neither extreme."
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Reagan OMB Director, David Stockton, attacks GOP on economic policy...
"IF there were such a thing as Chapter 11 for politicians, the Republican push to extend the unaffordable Bush tax cuts would amount to a bankruptcy filing. The nation’s public debt — if honestly reckoned to include municipal bonds and the $7 trillion of new deficits baked into the cake through 2015 — will soon reach $18 trillion. That’s a Greece-scale 120 percent of gross domestic product, and fairly screams out for austerity and sacrifice. It is therefore unseemly for the Senate minority leader, Mitch McConnell, to insist that the nation’s wealthiest taxpayers be spared even a three-percentage-point rate increase."
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/op...1stockman.html

We must hold No Quarter for those who are either ignorant, or, worse, enablers of islamic supremacist conquest. ALL candidates MUST be properly vetted. See my new post for more info, where I also quote from and link to Robert's post here:
http://zillablog.marezilla.com/2011/08/no-quarter.html

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