"[Samuel] Huntington said the truth even though he was a liar, for the coming struggle is the clash of civilizations, and Islam will be victorious and rule the world with an Islamic caliphate." So says popular Muslim leader, Abu Shadi: "The Muslim Caliphate is Coming; Christians Must Choose Between Jizya, Conversion, or War," by Salah Labin for Tahrir News, September 1, translated by Coptic Solidarity:
“Nobody denies that the Salafi current has the greatest share in initiating the revolution, as it exposed to the people the loyalty of the Arab regimes to the West, their squandering of the resources of the Umma [Islamic Nation], and their failing to preserve its holy sites." This is what a leader of the Jihadi-Salafi current, Muhammad Mustafa, also known as "Abu Shadi", said, stressing that the Salafis never stayed away from politics, but rather applied it in accordance to their understanding of Sharia, and that they also played the role of "enlightening before revolutionizing," recognizing that popular revolts are the greatest means for change. Abu Shadi also confirms that he was one of Tahrir Square’s preachers during the revolution, and that Jihadi Salafism is present in Egypt, and in large numbers, in the millions, according to him.
In Abu Shadi's view, the street [i.e., the average Muslim Egyptian] is in complete agreement with Salafism, and the attack on the Salafis comes from the "enemies of Islam," or, in his opinion, "the forces of infidels and crusaders.” Moreover, he confirms, with confidence, that the Egyptian Islamic movements have the "mechanism to deal with the infidels".. Abu Shadi sees that it was only fear, and perhaps error [of judgment], which led some Salafi preachers to call against going out [to protest] against Mubarak. He pointed out that Mubarak fought Islamists, and harmed Islam, because he helped the crusaders occupy Iraq and Afghanistan, adding that "there is no obedience to whoever does not govern according to Sharia." For him, the conditions to be a ruler of a Muslim state are to be Muslim, masculine, and possess [religious] knowledge—even to the degree of being an exegete.He called upon the Islamic movements to carefully distinguish between believers and infidels. The leading Salafi explains: "We do not transgress against the Nassara [or “Nazarenes,” the Quranic appellation for Christians], but they must either pay jizya [tribute, and assume inferior status], convert to Islam, or war. He adds: [Samuel] Huntington said the truth even though he was a liar, for the coming struggle is the clash of civilizations, and Islam will be victorious and rule the world with an "Islamic caliphate"... Abu Shady belittles the symbols of secularism in the "lands of Muslims," describing them as few [in number], and points out that there is confusion among the people regarding "the fact that they are infidels.” He threatened that a statement will be shortly published by the Salafis, revealing the truth about them [the secularists], which "will make the masses beat them with shoes, for we must fight them because they are in the trench of infidelity,” according to the Salafi leader..."
Egyptian Preacher: Christians Must Choose Between Jizya, Conversion, or War
It seems nothing has changed with Islam since the 7th century. No surprise there! The answer for me is easy. I won't pay Jizya, and I won't ever convert! Silly Muzzies.
He's a liar, just like all salafists. Liar, just like his prophet. Islam is loosing ground and he knows it. Salafism is present in Egypt but not in large numbers, one or two millions out of 80 millions is NOT "large numbers". They are loud and violent, that's all. Islam has already lost South Sudan, his first defeat since a long time. Muslims are turning away from the lies of their Imams. The Christianization movement is on the rise. And, according to sheikh al-Qataani, they are "living a tragedy" !!!
Saudi Arabia is the root of this "arab spring" movement trying to protect itself in advance from it's worst enemy, Iran.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/05/dying-islam-lislam-mourant.html
God, it must cause such a sickly feeling for Coptic Christians as they see these messages increasing in militancy and casual normality.
The West has already made its choice: paying the jizya. When the money runs out, we will have to make another choice. My bet is that it won't be war.
This Abu SHADY character sure is sure of himself, isn't he?
Let's just do a mind experiment. Let's assume:
1.) all foreign troops leave Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi, etc.
2.) all infidels (non-military) leave or are forced out of
muslim countries.
3.) we all, then, ignore Muslims and Islam.
What do you think will happen? Nothing? I don't think so, because the Muslims will no longer have the subjects necessary (foreigners/infidels) with which to play their Koran and hadith games. In short, many will be deprived of the opportunity to engage in Jihad. That simply can't be in Mustafa's world.
Hence - they will attack us again, here and in Europe, perhaps even more fiercely, since they will think that we were up to some trick of our own, and have humiliated the muslims.
It is NOT a 'clash of civilizations'.
It is civilisation versus barbarism.
The essence/i> of Islamic teaching
Quran 9:29>a> & Sahih Muslim Book 19, Number 4294 "Three courses of acition" for "polytheists" (Christians, ...) 1. "Invite them to (accept) Islam" 2. "demand from them the Jizya" 3. "seek Allah's help and fight them"
Jizya, Conversion, or War
Yep, after all, It's in the Koran,
Return of a golden oldie.
Hit it,
http://www.qubetv.tv/videos/detail/80
Oh, it'll be war all right.
Count on it.
Once the sleeping giant is fully awake, we will be merciless.
islam will be eliminated.
These cavemen can't make even 1 Islamic country work and prosper. How do they imagine taking over the world??? I'm not afraid of them taking over - they won't succeed. But, they will cause lots of unrest, bloodshed and probably WW3 in the process.
Well, hey, salah, since there's no problem and Muslims by the millions are tossing aside their hijab, shaving their beards and streaming into peaceful Christian churches, I guess we can just all pack up, forget about this Islamogarbage, and go back to doing things we really enjoy. I wish someone had told me this earlier, could have saved myself a lot of trouble. And those Coptics in Egypt can stop worrying! The Muslims are all coming to join them!
As. If.
What else is happening on Planet Salah these days?
Actually, I like David Dowse's idea: ignore them, wait til the lid blows off, then whack the bastards as we should have done 10 years ago. There's never time to do it right, but always time to do it dirty.
Given recent developments, presumably we'll be hearing nothing about this from the FBI or the Society of Professional Journalists (covered by Pam over at Atlas). Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
Since I'm a heathen, I think they go straight from conversion to beheading; the jizya is only for you "book" people.
I'd rather be dead than Muslim but that doesn't mean I won't go down without a fight. I'm counting on millions who think as I do. I'm also counting on winning.
"Egyptian Preacher: Christians Must Choose Between Jizya, Conversion, or War"
I choose war, maggot. Bring it on anytime Islam feels ready.
I think I'll choose to put a boot upside their asses instead.
The sooner we understand that a real war against real Muslims is coming, the better.
Muhammad Mustafa and his coreligionists have been pedaling this same delusional Islamic supremacy crap for the past 1,400 years. The message is always the same; yield to Islam or die, either figuratively or literally.
News flash for Muhammad Mustafa: Ain't gonna happen, so you can stop wasting your (and our) time with this tiresome message. Why don't you get a shave and a haircut (and attend a course in personal hygiene) and get a real job, although it's doubtful you are qualified to do anything productive (Islamic rabble rousing is not productive). Butthead.
It is funny to see the responses from the inbread hillbilly rednecks. What a laugh!
Well randy I'm sure you will agree that the Imam, or popular Muslim leader is a barrel of laughs also.
nabk ZK (pbum)
Sign me up for war.
The Muslim Caliphate is Coming...
You are rat on that one, bro: it sure appears that, as currently configured, there will be a Moslem Caliphate. Even potentially a global one, depending on how the Chinese react when it's their turn.
Christians Must Choose Between Jizya, Conversion, or War...
Isn't it odd that, even though this sorry set of options is spelled out plain as day in the Ko-Ran, Hah-Deaths, Sear-Rah and Moslem history, yet in the populations of the civilized world almost nobody know this.
Why is that? How is that? We're skating on a razor thin sheet of ice and it appears to be a floor when looked at from a distance at an oblique angle, what with all the refraction to mask the millions of maimed and dead bodies floating beneath.
This is the language of the Cause, without pause, because.
Inshallah.
randy, randy randy....
i read some of your comments on other threads. they are off topic and do not add one iota to the subject at hand.
now, you come here out of thin air, and make a derogatory remark (and misspelled to boot!) directed at those that have posted on this thread before you.
you may very well be a troll, so in this case i have just wasted some time replying to you. i would just proceed with a friendly assumption that you are a misguided visitor to this site....
you will really learn something new from most posters and certainly from some of the stellar ones that have posted on this thread.
WESTWARDHO: "God, it must cause such a sickly feeling for Coptic Christians as they see these messages increasing in militancy and casual normality."
They've been conditioned by 1400 years of depredations. How antithetical to the anti-colonial narrative that it was the "bad old days" of British colonialism where Egyptians of all faiths experienced their apex of religious freedom.
Should Islam be "victorious" vis-a-vis the salafists' scenario as outlined by this particular (and a myriad of others of his ilk) ass-hat, any "victory" will be a phyrric one at best.
In a world ruled by the bland and anti-humane dictates of Islamic sharia law, I imagine a blighted landscape devoid of color, joy, and creativity. I envision a sterile physical world, a nightmare universe resembling the reality of much of today's "House of Islam."
Minus the "infidels," a world in which Islam rules will be a world in which I would not want to be alive.
"Beam me up, Scotty."
dear mike,
in spite of all the doom and gloom around us, it ain't gonna happen!
as cgw has said "Once the sleeping giant is fully awake, we will be merciless.
islam will be eliminated."
and speaking of doom and gloom, has anybody read any posts lately by 'doom and gloom' from israel?
i hope she's well
It's a good thing that breeding has nothing to do the ability to spell - don't you think?
What is your point?
If you agree with Abu Shadi, tell us why. Try to write a few lines.
Salafi nutcase preachers like Abu Shadi are thankfully still a minority in Egypt, but the more time poorly-educated Muslims spend imbibing the Quran, the more recruits they make.
It's sad to see Saudi-funded propaganda having its effect in the West, even the U.S., with the blah blah about Islam being a religion of peace, 9/11 not being the work of Muslims, Israel being illegitimate, ad infinitem. Meanwhile we who have the truth have an unlimited educational tool with the Internet, but alas, the people are too lazy and ostrich-like to even click on educational sites much less devote study time to them.
You can lead a horse to water, but can you make it drink?
http://tinyurl.com/muslimscope
http://tinyurl.com/jerusalemhistory
http://go.to/islamhistory
http://tinyurl.com/islamwatch
1. I'm quite happy being a Christian, though I'll be the first to admit that I often fall short of the ideal.
2. I already pay too much in taxes.
3. I refuse to be anybody's slave.
4. I've been to war with those people and they are gutless cowards....not at all like those of us who have descended from the Greek hoplite tradition of shock warfare.
Sooooo, it looks like my preference is war, too. Making open, lawless warfare upon me would be a horribly funny mistake. Horrible for them but funny from my point of view because freed from military obligation, I would no longer be restricted by our military's Rules of Engagement.
And Randy, it has nothing to do with being "inbread hillbilly rednecks". It has to do with loving freedom and being willing to whatever is required to preserve it for myself and others. BTW Randy, I might be an inbred Hillbilly Redneck but apparently I can still spell better than you can.
This is the follow-up to that sweetly-sinister "A Common Word" letter from the Muslims to the Christians which, in October 2007, was circulated to the leaders of *all* the major identifiable Christian denominations - Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant.
You will find analysis and discussion of that letter - which was, basically, the da'wa 'Call' which must be formally issued, before the demands for jizya and then the declaration of open war can be made -at the following jihadwatch thread:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/10/muslims-to-christians-make-peace-with-us-or-the-survival-of-the-world-is-at-stake.html
Muslims to Christians: make peace with us or the survival of the world is at stake
(Translation: Muslims to Christians - 'Convert to Islam or pay us the jizya 'blood money', or as soon as we have enough nukes we will kill you all').
Apostate from Islam, now Christian, Canon Dr Patrick Sookhdeo, has a masterly dissection of this letter and its double - and double-edged - meanings, here:
http://barnabasfund.org/news/archives/text.php?ID_news_items=342
28th November 2007 - FEATURED ARTICLE.
RESPONSE TO OPEN LETTER AND CALL FROM MUSLIM RELIGIOUS LEADERS TO CHRISTIAN LEADERS, 13 OCTOBER 2007
Australia's Rev Dr Mark Durie, author of a brilliant analysis of the psychodynamic of the iniquitous dhimma system "The Third Choice: Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom", also analysed 'A Common Word'.
This link will take you to several very useful - and sobering - pieces he has written on the subject:
http://www.acommonword.blogspot.com/
Inbread?
Nice one there Jethro...
http://images.wikia.com/beverlyhillbillies/images/4/41/Jethro_Bodine.jpg
All of the "I choose war" postings by the esteemed contributors to JW are a little, just a little, off the mark.
There is almost nothing to choose.
The war is already here. It has been here for 1400 years. The only real choice is in how we meet it.
And yes, I personally would not pay jiyza nor would I convert. I will not submit. I will take whatever fate is left.
It’s obvious; the ARAB SPRING is bringing up a cornucopia of bramble bushes, wisteria, nightshade, and poison ivy of Islamic jihad, hatred, and intolerance for non muslins.
@ randy
You're a clown!
"Bring it on", do I hear you say?
For the life of me, I can't understand why there are still Christians and or Jews in these violent counties? I mean these murders didn't start last year. It started nearly 1400 years ago.
My advise is to run and get out of there with your head,. Take every family member with you. Anyone left behind will surely be killed. Islam is not what you have been told by means of taqiyya.
Islam is a very old but growing ideology. It members take it very seriously. They are told that they are the only true Godly people. No matter what you think or say they still think Islam is the greatest. They are so afraid that someone will tell the truth and convert Muslims to a real religion they have kill them...
Too funny!
mahoundians are the ones who follow the concept of inbreeding, engaging in first-cousin marriage and procreation. Witness the extreme high levels of birth defects - especially mental ones - in the mahoundian population in Britain. (It's noticed there, whereas in mahoundian countries they blend right in.)
The protection of minorities seems to be of concern to the UN only where the state of Israel is concerned. A complete review of minority rights in Moslem-dominated countries must be made a priority.
in the mean time, what precautions can the Copts in Egypt undertake to protect themselves?
"the coming struggle is the clash of civilizations, and Islam will be victorious and rule the world with an "Islamic caliphate"
This is the exact teachings right out of Iran where the Middle East's version of Charlie Manson resides. The power of Islam's Totalitarianism teachings make them as if drugged.
Also, what a deranged view of a masculine sociaty. Masculine always allows for the gentleness and tolorence needed for its' proper balance. Masculine men protect those of a less stronger stature (not lower at any point, but equal in human rights). It is masculine to protect our women and children. Indeed, a real masculine man is made out of steel and velvet.
So, what exactly are you doing to "meet it"?
I agree w/you and as others have said I don't see anything happening anywhere to stop the islamonazi juggernaut. Our politicians, law enforcement entities and judiciary are steadily being infiltrated and subverted by islamonazis from within and without while the leftards in the MSM publish and broadcast islamonazi propaganda as truth. I've even met a particularly delusional LEO who admired the islamonazi pigs for the law and order they seem to bring about in some of their islamonazi states...
DId anyone bother to read the comments on the Tahrir website? There is quite a long list, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is completely against the statements made in the article, posted by both Christians and Muslims.
'So, what exactly are you doing to "meet it"?'
To begin, we are meeting it right here, opposing stealth jihad with our words. Thank you Robert Spenser for your good work.
More materially, undaunted, your own web site has some very good ideas. I must say that I've drawn some encouragement and inspiration from it, I have adjusted some of my personal life in accord with it, and have relayed some of it to friends in positions of authority. Please keep it up.
And parasitical trash like randy handesd out sweets ion celebration of the 9/11 atrocuity 10 years ago. The likes of randy like nothing better than to see those he lives off enslaved. Its time he was sent back to Pakistan where he belongs.
"Muhammad Mustafa and his coreligionists"...have seated themselves upon the Judgment Seat of God....acting as though they themselves - are God - ignoring the fact that God has already set aside a Judgment Day....where God - and not puny humans - will the be the Judge.
So go ahead and "eat drink and be merry" Muhammad...your time is short.
"DId anyone bother to read the comments on the Tahrir website?"
How about a link. I've checked the site and cannot find any comments.
This should prove interesting. As if a few musloids on the internet disagreeing with this bearded half wit, who is speaking in accordance with and under compulsion from islam's unholy texts WITH the blessings of allah the impotent, will change, stop or prevent the systematic abuse of religious minorities in musloid lands instegated and perpetuated by "men" like this bearded half wit.
Read the Quran much monkey boy?