I tried to tell you. "Jihadists plot to take over Libya," by Bill Gertz in The Washington Times, September 4 (thanks to Block Ness):
Jihadists among the Libyan rebels revealed plans last week on the Internet to subvert the post-Moammar Gadhafi government and create an Islamist state, according to U.S. intelligence agencies.U.S. officials said spy agencies are stepping up surveillance of Islamist-oriented elements among Libyan rebels. A government report circulated Tuesday said extremists were observed “strategizing” on Internet forums about how to set up an Islamist state in Libya after the regime of Col. Gadhafi is defeated.
“Several forum participants have suggested that, following a transitional stage, the battle should turn against secularist rebels and members of the [rebels’] Transitional National Council,” the unclassified report stated.
Some U.S. officials sought to play down the remarks by noting that such Internet postings are not always accurate measures of jihadist plans.
The report said the jihadists’ strength and influence on the ground “are uncertain at this time.”
However, the report said the jihadist plotting coincided with the high-profile emergence of Abu Abdallah al-Sadiq, a former leader of the al Qaeda-linked Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) and now a leading rebel. He is currently known as Abdel Hakim al-Khulidi Belhaj and led rebels in overrunning Col. Gadhafi’s Tripoli compound.
A U.S. official familiar with intelligence reports on the region said there are concerns that some LIFG members remain committed to al Qaeda and others may be temporarily renouncing their ties to the terrorist group for “show.”
“Some members of LIFG in the past had connections with al Qaeda in Sudan, Afghanistan or Pakistan, and others dropped their relationship with al Qaeda entirely,” the official said.
“It seems - from their statements and support for establishing a democracy in Libya - that this faction of LIFG does not support al Qaeda. We’ll definitely be watching to see whether this is for real or just for show.”
A defense official familiar with jihadist strategy said Islamists likely will emerge in power from the turmoil expected after the demise of the Gadhafi regime and the West will be partly to blame.
“We’re helping pave the way for them” through NATO airstrikes and other support, he said.
About 1,000 jihadists are operating covertly in Libya, Noman Benotman, a former Libyan al Qaeda member, told The Washington Times in March.
According to a translation of the forum exchanges, Libyan Islamists view the fall of Tripoli to rebels as the initial phase of a battle to take over the country.
Jihadists were urged to prepare for the next stage in the battle: taking on secular rebels and the interim National Transitional Council, sometimes called the Transitional National Council, the secular political organization that is mainly pro-democratic.
The jihadists want to set up an Islamist state ruled by Shariah law....
This is the law of succession according to Islam. the inital benign democratic state morphs into an increasingly violent terror filled society in which all dissent is stiffled in the name of allegiance to that fiend and murderer, thief, adulterer, pedophile and misogynist MOHAMMED!
Well done Cameron, and all because you wanted to look like Mrs Thatcher and live your Boys Own fantasy. Your legacy will be the creation of an Islamic state on the Mediterranean coast, which will be an even bigger hotbed of terrorism than what existed before.
I agree with you.
I'm afraid that there may be some truth to the charge that the European intervention in the Libyan rebellion was driven by the wish of the European countries to obtain oil marketing privileges for themselves. There is no other rational explanation for involving themselves in an internal Libyan affair.
I do not wish my country to be responsible for a long, bloody civil war in Libya, causing suffering and death. The new regime may or may not be better than Gaddhafi for the Libyans, but I want it to be their responsibility, not ours.
What are the EU elite thinking?
The Euro-Mediterranean Partnership now includes 39 members - 27 EU Member States and 12 Mediterranean Partners:
(Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Palestinian Authority, Syria, Tunisia, Turkey, Albania and Mauritania). Libya has observer status since 1999.
Madness.
http://ec.europa.eu/environment/enlarg/med/index.htm
ot: 'Islamic conflict resolution is often achieved through violence and threats. Sharia courts are used once it's clear which is the dominant side. Then generally the perpetrators family contacts the Sharia arbitrator, with the goal of gaining a compromise from the weaker family.'
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/37648
On that charge of oil marketing privileges, it seems that Tory minister Alan Duncan has a few questions to answer.
More perpetuation of the erroneous notion of that non-existent subset of Islam: Islamism. It's no wonder the American public remains largely ignorant of Islam.
No, they do not want to establish an Islamist state.
They want to establish an Islamic state.
See this post from yesterday's JW:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/09/islam-versus-islamism----a-distinction-without-a-difference-1.html
Hey People -
American flag replaced with Saudi flag at school in Ft. Collins, Colorado:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2033942/Fury-elementary-school-lowers-American-flag--replaces-Saudi-Arabian-one.html
Only slightly off topic, from Care2:
Prisoners and Racism
Rebel officials took Ian Martin, an envoy from the United Nations secretary general, on a tour of their main detention center, Jadida Prison. About 700 prisoners are there, about half sub-Saharan Africans and half Libyans, accused of supporting Gaddafi’s government. But charges against many are hazy and, as Al Jazeera reports, their fate and that of thousands of other prisoners remains unclear.
Black migrant workers have repeatedly said that Libyan rebels have arrested them on the grounds of fighting for Gaddafi as mercenaries based on little evidence other than their skin color. The Libyan court system has not yet reconvened and there is little sense of what to do about the prisoners. Human rights workers say that the Libyan rebels’ “scapegoating” of blacks is heavily reminiscent of a “similar campaign that ultimately included lynchings after rebels took control of the eastern city of Benghazi more than six months ago,” says the New York Times:
The detentions reflect “a deep-seated racism and anti-African sentiment in Libyan society,” said Peter Bouckaert, a researcher with Human Rights Watch who visited several jails. “It is very clear to us that most of those detained were not soldiers and have never held a gun in their life.”
In a dimly lighted concrete hangar housing about 300 glassy-eyed, dark-skinned captives in one neighborhood, several said they were as young as 16. In a reopened police station nearby, rebels were holding Mohamed Amidu Suleiman, a 62-year-old migrant from Niger, on allegations of witchcraft. To back up the charges, they produced a long loop of beads they said they had found in his possession.
As Al Jazeera notes, the issue of the prisoners “clearly makes the NTC uncomfortable” as the roundup of darker-skinned Africans occurs at a time when the rebel government is trying to establish its legitimacy. In addition, the rebels eventually hope to be able to draw back thousands of foreign workers needed to help Libya rebuild.
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Please note: The New York Times reports “similar campaign that ultimately included lynchings after rebels took control of the eastern city of Benghazi more than six months ago”—**lynchings**.
This is the start this "model democracy" is off to. Good God.