Libyan missiles looted; "they could turn all of North Africa into a no-fly-zone"

"Grinch SA-24s are designed to target front-line aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles and drones. They can shoot down a plane flying as high as 11,000 feet and can travel 19,000 feet straight out."

We'll see them again, only next time, they'll be airborne. Great Libyan Jihadist Garage Sale Update. "Exclusive: Libyan missiles looted," by Ben Wedeman and Ingrid Formanek for CNN, September 7:

A potent stash of Russian-made surface-to-air missiles is missing from a huge Tripoli weapons warehouse amid reports of weapons looting across war-torn Libya.
They are Grinch SA-24 shoulder-launched missiles, also known as Igla-S missiles, the equivalent of U.S.-made Stinger missiles.
A CNN team and Human Rights Watch found dozens of empty crates marked with packing lists and inventory numbers that identified the items as Igla-S surface-to-air missiles.
The list for one box, for example, written in English and Russian, said it had contained two missiles, with inventory number "Missile 9M342," and a power source, inventory number "Article 9B238."
Grinch SA-24s are designed to target front-line aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles and drones. They can shoot down a plane flying as high as 11,000 feet and can travel 19,000 feet straight out.

Reinforcing Peter Hitchens' admonitions about the order, discipline, and intentions of NTC fighters: "It looks to me pretty much like a football crowd armed with AK-47s and bazookas, with the added ingredient of Islamic militancy. Why am I expected to like it?"

Fighters aligned with the National Transitional Council and others swiped armaments from the storage facility, witnesses told Human Rights Watch. The warehouse is located near a base of the Khamis Brigade, a special forces unit in Gadhafi's military, in the southeastern part of the capital.
The warehouse contains mortars and artillery rounds, but there are empty crates for those items as well. There are also empty boxes for another surface-to-air missile, the SA-7.
Peter Bouckaert, Human Rights Watch emergencies director, told CNN he has seen the same pattern in armories looted elsewhere in Libya, noting that "in every city we arrive, the first thing to disappear are the surface-to-air missiles."
He said such missiles can fetch many thousands of dollars on the black market.
"We are talking about some 20,000 surface-to-air missiles in all of Libya, and I've seen cars packed with them." he said. "They could turn all of North Africa into a no-fly zone." [...]
Western officials worry that weapons from the storage sites will end up in the hands of militants or adversaries like Iran.
The governments of neighboring Niger and Chad have both said that weapons from Libya are already being smuggled into their countries, and they are destined for al Qaeda. They include detonators and a plastic explosive called Semtex. Chad's president said they include SA-7 missiles.
An ethnic Tuareg leader in the northern Niger city of Agadez also said many weapons have come across the border. He said he and other Tuareg leaders are anxious about Gadhafi's Tuareg fighters returning home - with their weapons - and making common cause with al Qaeda cells in the region. Gadhafi's fighting forces have included mercenaries from other African nations.
The missing weapons also conjure fears of what happened in Iraq, where people grabbed scores of weapons when Saddam Hussein's regime was overthrown.
Bouckaert said one or two of the missing artillery rounds are "enough to make a car bomb."
"We should remember what happened in Iraq," he said, when the "country was turned upside down" by insurgents using such weaponry.
There have been similar concerns in Afghanistan, where the United States provided thousands of Stinger missiles to the Afghan mujahedeen when they were fighting the Soviets in the 1980s. The United States has spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to buy them back, fearful that they would fall into the hands of terrorists....
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We are talking about some 20,000 surface-to-air missiles in all of Libya, and I've seen cars packed with them." he said. "They could turn all of North Africa into a no-fly zone.

It's not just North Africa. You could smuggle then across the Mexican border.

I blame Obama.

He gave away Egypt.

He gave the Libyan armories to the islamists.

Sadly, these were not mistakes...

Why didn't Gaddafi use the Grinch SA24 anti-aircraft missiles against NATO?

That many SAM's would put the jihadists back in the airline terror business. With the martyrdom part optional, no less.

Why weren't these armories on the target list for the NATO aircraft?

Yea, what you said.

Sashland,

I don't entirely agree with you.

Obama couldn't give away Egypt, as we don't have it.

Obama also, in spite of some jawboning, stayed pretty much out of Egypt's affairs. As a result of our staying out, the Egyptian army is intact, and there is coherent transition process. I think it is disgraceful that the US will not support an ally like Mubarek personally. That is, he should have been given refuge in the US, as a loyal ally, even if we didn't continue to support his government.

In Libya, we actively fought against the Libyan army, and consequently got a state of complete anarchy, in which dangerous weapons became widely available to terrorists. I still have no idea why the European countries, let alone the US, decided to actively participate in the Libyan civil war. I think any consequences resulting from the Libyan actions can indeed be laid to Obama's doorstep. I myself incline towards the explanation that Obama is simply not very bright, although he does have a highly-developed speaking ability, rather than that Obama purposely opened the arsenals of the Libyan military to Islamic terrorists.

Since the US military was in Libya, it was completely idiotic not to have secured the weapons stockpiles.

I didn't know Arabs loot.

They don't. Muslims do, because their "prophet" did!
"This is the Quraysh caravan containing their property. Go out to attack it, perhaps God will give it as a prey."
The Life of Muhammad
Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah p. 289
(translated by Guillaume – 21st impression 2007)
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html

Let's call this what it really is - American and European oil companies want to loot Libya oil, so they take $1 billion from American taxpayers, kill a bunch of Libyan soldiers (and civilians), and with some hopped up Libyans, over run the meager resources of Qaddaffi. If this leads to anarchy, terrorism, etc - THEY DON'T CARE! They just use OUR money to make themselves RICH. And if a few civilian airplanes get shot down - ho-hum - not their problem!

So, you can blame Obama - he is part of the problem - but he's not pulling the strings. Let's face it - he's just a puppet doing what he's told.

If you want to change things, try supporting an energy policy for this country.

ReligionofPeas wrote:

Let's call this what it really is - American and European oil companies want to loot Libya oil
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If cheap oil was our aim, we would have been better off sticking with Ghadaffi.

I think many in the West believed—and, naïvely, *still* believe—that any force that stood up against a tyrant must, perforce, be a force for democracy.

More fool them—and more fool us.

From the article:

Libyan missiles looted; "they could turn all of North Africa into a no-fly-zone"
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Devout Muslims are so affronted by Bi'da that they are eager to murder falafel vendors, since these crunchy treats didn't exist in the days of the "Prophet"—yet one glimpse of new weaponry and they can't wait to get their hands on it...

Hey, look on the bright side. Looting is a sign of freedom! Don't y'all remember what Rumsfeld told us??

Meh, hindsight is 20/20..

But what about Christmas? Are we to have it?

Thanks a million again Cameron? Somehow, I doubt this preening Old Etonian will accept responsibility for his Boys Own folly if passenger planes get downed by Muslim Jihadis.

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