Muslim students convicted for shout-down of Israeli ambassador get probation; prosecutor says "the defendants acted as censors to block the free flow of ideas"

"Let's blame the Jews" by Pat Condell (UK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIesXORjBps

5:51 “O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors”

http://newstime.co.nz/video-there-is-a-battle-being-waged-in-america.html

(video) “The Last Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them” Sahih Muslim Book 41, #6981 – 6985

7:50 Imam Yusuf Al-Qaradawi "... Allah willing. The next time will be at the hands of the believers" ... in other words: ISLAM WILL FINISH THE JOB ... THAT HITLER STARTED

They demand freedom for themselves but deny it for others. Muslim students think that they are somehow immune to the laws of the US and they think they can say or do whatever they want. Although the sentences are small, maybe it will convey to Muslims that if they are going to enter the market place with their ideas they cannot deny that same right themselves. If Islam is such a "religion of peace" it will not hurt them when others criticize Islam. The truth will come out but they themselves cannot be the instruments of censorship. The US must not allow this behavior to go unpunished. Thank God for the courage of the prosecutor and judge and jury in this case.

If they are unable or unwilling to obey the laws and customs of the country then they should be required to leave.

Deport them.

The video was an outstanding demonstration of what Israel puts up with on a constant basis. "We want peace, except when we toss off a few rocket rounds into your neighborhoods..."

I think the ambassador acquitted himself well. I especially felt empathy with the college representative who was heartily disappointed by the behavior of what he had heretofore thought of as students, at the school to learn. It pained me to watch.

Double standard indeed - no civilized body would consider this appropriate behavior; those who would are either muslim, who do not count themselves as part of our society, considering themselves by some incredible stretch of the imagination to be somehow "superior," or in union mobs, the leaders of which have spent enough of their membership's cash to buy influence with politicians such that violence is now considered a "legitimate union exercise."

(... And I just realized that I only have two Rolaids left.)

PS - I'm pushing 60; I see all too clearly now how very naive and ignorant I was in college. Rightfully, the only people who heeded me then were my peers. The greatest lesson I've learned over the years is that I cannot learn anything if I already think I know everything.

You can follow some of the outrage by thse bigots on Twitter here:
http://twitter.com/#!/irvine_11

Reza Aslan commented:

@rezaaslan
Reza Aslan Dear newly democratic Arab states. Did U know in US it's against the law to interrupt an Israeli official's speech? You do now. #Irvine 11

Nasty little bigots, all of them...

'Organized thuggery' pretty much describes Islam...

Are these protesters immigrants or foreign students? If either, they should be leaving America via a plane or boat by now. I believe if an American, Christian or Jew were to act out in any Muslim dominated country, they would be facing a prison sentence before deportation.

While this is a victory for freedom, it is a small one. Why?? because just like they said on "Twitter" ... The proscuter wanted "jail time," but they only received community service.

They really don't get it!!!

I went to "Twitter" and read some of the comments ... Unreal ... Sadly, they don't get it and I believe that in the future this will happen again, because they (muslims), are not willing to live by anyones laws. Anyones laws, yes, what muslims call "man-made" laws. They see themselves as above the laws of this land, America, because we are "kufir" ... people who do not follow allah and accept the prophet "mo".

And you know who else doesn't get it? The non-muslim's who wrote who in their support for the "anti-freedom of speach" mulsims, "the Irvine 11". Anti-freedom of speach is what these muslim students were promoting and the non-muslims students just don't get it.

And sadly to say I don't think most of Americans get it either.

Deport them?? Where? would wants or needs this mind set/mess? Not Europe, Asia, or Australia? But I do agree, that if they can't or won't follow the laws of the land they live in they should be deported. Saddly also, I would say many were born here.

The greatest lesson muslims could learn "now" is that they cannot learn anything if they already think they know everything. Which is what muslims believe. That can only happen if muslims stop thinking of themselves as the "supereme" ones created and start living in the 21st century not the 5th. Also, they need to stop reading their korans and/or stop thinking with the same kind of mind set, "death" to everyone mentality.

Multi-culturalism which equals tolerance, given to the most intolerant group of people in the world. ARE WE CRAZY??

Revoke their student visas and deport them all back to wherever it is they came from.

What a bunch of ignorant PIGS!

While the sentences may be more lenient than we would have liked, at least the judge did the right thing by finding them guilty.

A victory for free speech, at last!

The guilty verdict is a victory for free speech, but such light penalties won't deter behavior.

And we're talking three years probation here. That's long enough to make sure they can't do it again before graduation day.

If they do choose to do it again while on probation, fry 'em.

I wish we had more stand "up for freedom" County Dist. Attornies like Tony Rackauckas. Every time a Muslim or anyone attempts to hijack our First Amendment rights there should always be a judge and jury to protect those rights.

Unfortunately there have been way to many times that Universities and their attendant legals systems have not acted in defense of the constitution, and of course Robert Spencer can clearly attest to that as well.

Muslims in America will continue to try and undermine this country in any way possible if the justice system is not vigilant and understanding of there attempts to do so.

We are not a EU Country that tries to appease such behavior by this supremacist ideology. America must not falter in its battle against the taquiyya and kitman masters who are determined to enforce sharia on the dhimmis among us.

Whole lotta' whinging going on.

Aljazeera ways in here:

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/201192493240548858.html

Whaaa!

Sorry, that's "whining" and "weighs". Gotta get more sleep.

The muslim students were merely exercising their full frontal sharia rights to push their way around! If you don't push back, you get the full frontal attack.

Muslims will never assimilate into the host country...never! They believe they are superior and that their religion is also superior. The fact that they are determined to "appeal" the verdict is proof enough that they believe they were wronged. Then answer: Stop ALL immigration of ALL Muslims into North America! That is the only answer.

From my contacts in the anti-war movement of the '60's, I kind of understand the mindset of these students. Even without being Muslims, they think it is so important to express their point of view, any action against the "establishment" is justified. Of course, even the Communists tolerated "teach-ins", where apologists for the pursuit of the Vietnam War expressed their defense of the Johnson administration. Such tolerance as the SDS radicals took over the anti-war movement, and riots and bombings became the order of the day.

Without a question, these students will act out again. They simply don't conceptualize the notion of probation leading to actual jail time. Their leaders would be more than happy to sacrifice any or all of their followers, to advance their cause.

It is critically important that when these students violate their probation, they face real jail time and a permanent mark on their record. All of them. The leaders should also be charged with encouraging lawbreaking, if any of their statements or actions directly contributed.

We have more than enough power to suppress Islamic creep if we choose to use it. Students who break our laws should be jailed. Or, deported, if they are on a visa. Most of the Muslim danger could be avoided at this point by simply denying immigration to any more Muslims. We should not injure Muslims anywhere in the world, except in direct self-defense, but that doesn't mean we have to let them into the country.

"Community service"? Doing what? Polishing the minarets at their mosques?

What these creatures should have been subjected to is a public flogging, such as is routinely carried out in their rathole countries of origin.

Then thank goodness you aren't a professor.

Uphold the civilized standards the West claims to maintain. What would make such a professor different the attitude you'd expect to a Non-Muslim at a Muslim state?

This issue has nothing to do with their grades. While I support the conviction in the interest of free speech, 'using fire to fight fire' with bad grades? Really? Way to go with ethical standards.

"The students were to remain on probation for three years but could have that reduced to a year once they complete the community service. Charges have been tentatively dismissed against an 11th defendant".

That will teach them Muslims not to disrupt an Israeli ambassador during his speech. NOT..... Probation is no punishment at all. All it means is you better obey the law. That isn't a punishment.

When our U.S. courts get serious about obeying the law then perhaps the Muslims will.

"History requires us to draw a line in the sand against this sort of organized thuggery.”

This calls for more than "sand", if you ask me. Try concrete instead. Reinforced.

My impression was just that you are mixing up two completely unrelated issues.

A professor attempting to dock grades for academic performance for a criminal act (which is what it is). It's like failing a student in a math test because he had shoplifted the previous night.

This is a crime infringing on other people's rights. I hope that much is clear. Whether or not they were convicted still in my opinion doesn't matter to 'dock their grades'.

As a professor you seem to be intent on punishing them for a crime which a court of law should decide on.

Hope I've made myself clear.

"Did you watch the video? At the end, the Professor is saying, "you fail", "you fail", etc.

I think YOU fail to see my simple point:

The professor obviously brought his class to the speech. Otherwise, one is to assume that these "students" were "skipping class" elsewhere. That is not the case, here."

I'm not so sure the professor brought his class to the speech. Nor can I assume that the speech was held during 'class time'.

As for the Professor saying 'you fail', that doesn't totally justify that he had brought them there as part of an assignment or whatever.

I think the basic point in debate here is whether the talk figured in as part of the curriculum.

I think it wasn't. Which is why I consider their academics and their behaviour totally unrelated. Why? Because it's just as likely that this was a open-to-all talk and these hecklers just attended to disrupt it.

My analogy does seem to make sense in this scenario.

If it was in fact part of the curriculum then I suppose the professor does have the authority to do so.

I assumed that professors do not force their students to attend political talks or at least, attendance was by free will.

And as for your question, it doesn't matter. Whether or not I have even had an education anywhere is irrelevant.