Obama reads Psalm 46, including verse 8: "Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has wrought desolations in the earth."
The only people who think that 9/11 was an act of the Supreme Being wreaking desolations on the earth are...Islamic jihadists.
So why did Barack Obama pick this psalm out of 150 psalms, and out of innumerable appropriate Biblical passages, to read at the 9/11 ceremonies? 9/11, after all, was a day when there were indeed wrought desolations on the earth. Did Obama really mean to say that God did it, that it was an act of divine judgment, rather than a monstrous and unmitigated evil?
Or is this just another one of those funny coincidences, of which there are so very, very many when it comes to Barack Obama and his remarkable, unqualified and obvious affinity for Islam?
More approriate would have been Matthew 7
(King James Version) :
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
More ... http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/jesus-prophesied-muhammad-in-bible.html
Robert forgets that not only jihadists believe that 9/11 was divine justice for America's "crimes" against Islam. Rev. "God damn America" Wright is also of this opinion.
I didn't take it that way. I assumed he was reading it for the 'God is our strength and comfort' aspects. But then... I guess he could've just read those portions and skipped the rest.
As much as I do not support Obama and am disgusted by so many of his actions in office, on this one, I am not sure.
Mr Spencer, I do read your blog regularly, and it is one of my favorites (along with the Yid with Lid). But, your suggestion that 911 was not an act of God, I disagree.
I do not think it was a judgment or punishment by God, I do believe that God is absolutely sovereign and has control of all things, even 911.
Perhaps it is just semantics, I did think I would mention this.
Also, I have a question you might ponder:
Would the events of 911 cause shame for a bad Muslim or for a good Muslim?
Once a Muslim, always a Muslim. The true colors always come outs, even unintentionally. But in this case it was definitely intentional, part of stealth jihad!!
Obama reads Biblical passage at 9/11 ceremonies implying that 9/11 was an act of God
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Poster Always on Watch made mention of this on another thread. I was utterly shocked.
More:
Obama reads Psalm 46, including verse 8: "Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has wrought desolations in the earth."
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This might be appropriate in the wake of an earthquake or hurricane—even then it might be in somewhat poor taste from the president—but to *refer to the attacks of 9/11*? *Appalling*.
More:
The only people who think that 9/11 was an act of the Supreme Being wreaking desolations on the earth are...Islamic jihadists.
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**Yes**.
Psalm 46 is addressed to Israel / Jerusalem (the city of God) and the nations who are gathered against her in the so-called end of days. God will judge the nations. After that the nations beat their swords into plowshares, etc. Why would an enemy of Israel read from Psalm 46 I wonder?
Psa 46:4 There is a river whose streams make glad the city of God, The holy dwelling places of the Most High.
God is in the midst of her, she will not be moved; God will help her when morning dawns.
Psa 46:6 The nations made an uproar, the kingdoms tottered; He raised His voice, the earth melted.
The LORD of hosts is with us; The God of Jacob is our stronghold. Selah.
Psa 46:8 Come, behold the works of the LORD, Who has wrought desolations in the earth.
He makes wars to cease to the end of the earth; He breaks the bow and cuts the spear in two; He burns the chariots with fire.
Cease striving and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth."
Psa 46:11 The LORD of hosts is with us; The God of Jacob is our stronghold. Selah.
Far better would have been Psalm 144, Verse 11:
Rid me, and deliver me from the hand of strange children
whose mouth speaketh vanity,
and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood.
I did not watch the 9/11 ceremonies on TV except for a few minutes or so. And I heard Hussein reading this and thought it was very odd indeed...
Now thinking back I believe he did it deliberately to excuse Islam as being responsible. What a turd he is.
Consider the possibility Islam will be God's instrument of judgment in the earth. As the Muslim world seeks the most powerful weapons on earth, we could see much desolation one day.
Psa 46:8 Come, behold the works of the LORD, Who has wrought desolations in the earth.
As much as Islam is a destructive and false religion I am noticing a trend among many JW readers and supporters of being quite, for lack of a better description, "Jesus is the answer to these problems."
I noticed this in the rally yesterday on September 11th as well.
Quite disconcerting.
Robert wrote: "The only people who think that 9/11 was an act of the Supreme Being wreaking desolations on the earth are...Islamic jihadists...."
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I'm going to get clobbered for this.
Not true Robert. Sorry. Is God omnipotent or isn't He?
I wish I could have snuck this onto his teleprompter:
But I know where you are
and when you come and go
and how you rage against me.
Because you rage against me
and because your insolence has reached my ears,
I will put my hook in your nose
and my bit in your mouth,
and I will make you return
by the way you came.
--Isaiah 37:28-29, New International Version
Very strange, indeed, Obama reading from the Bible, after religious leaders were banned from the ceremonies. But hey, at least he didn't recite from the Qur'an, although I would not have been surprised if he had done so in some perverted attempt at "outreach."
Let's go through this for all who claim to be believers in God. "Was God at Ground Zero?"
No Holds Barred: Was God at Ground Zero?
By SHMULEY BOTEACH
09/11/2011 22:16
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=237565#comment-307947864
wildjew
Rabbi Boteach wrote, "the infidels they (the Muslims) chose to murder belonged to a nation 92 percent of which believes in God."
How could a God-fearing people listen silently to newly elected President George W. Bush condemn Israel week after week for "disproportionate and excessive" response to bloody suicide terrorism? Isn't Israel God's people?
In late August 2001, Bush sent then Crown Prince Abdullah (a certifiable Wahhabi jihadist) a two page letter pledging he would unveil a vision for a Muslim-enemy state in the Holy Land. Only days after Abdullah shared the Bush letter with Yasser Arafat in Riyadh, a Saudi proxy leveled the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon.
President Bush then had the audacity (before a joint session of Congress and the American people, September 20, 2001) to tell this 92 percent which believes in God, "The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. " "The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics; a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam.....Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah," Bush declared.
True to his word to Saudi prince Abdullah, early October 2001, Bush unveiled his vision for a Muslim-enemy state in Israel's heartland, leaving then Prime Minister Ariel Sharon nonplussed.
Sharon: "I call on the western democracy, and primarily the leader of the free world, the United States, do not repeat the dreadful mistake of 1938, when enlightened European democracies decided to sacrifice Czechoslovakia for a convenient, temporary solution."
Boteach's 92% were silent.
CNN's JOHN KING: What angered Washington most was Sharon's comparison to Europe ceding parts of Czechoslovakia to Hitler, suggesting that in its aggressive effort to court Arab nations for the coalition against terrorism, the United States was turning its back on Israel's security.
ARI FLEISCHER, WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN: The president believes that these remarks are unacceptable. Israel can have no better or stronger friend than the United States, and better friend than President Bush.
KING: Secretary of State Colin Powell called Sharon once to voice the president's displeasure, then again later, after the prime minister agreed to issue a conciliatory statement.
Let me be clear rabbi. Your God is not my God. Your people are not my people. Israel is my people. Who are your people R. Boteach?
I think Obama just liked verse 10:
Be still, and know that I am God:
I will be exalted among the heathen,
I will be exalted in the earth.
The more I learn about Obama, the less I like him.
Some aide probably highlighted the passage in yellow and this unctuous moron just read whatever was so chosen by some lower-level flunky who likely didn't read the whole verse himself, but simply did a net search for "inspiring Biblical passages in times of trauma" and got this verse as a suggestion and started highlighting for the boss.
Never attribute to malevolence what is just as easily answered by incompetence.
That's the motto for the entire government as far as 9/11 is concerned, also.
Obama is a Three Card Monty huckster for his own ego.
He doesn;t care about the Bible, 9/11, the U.S. or anything else.
It is all about his comfort and prestige and golden bennies.
There's no there there with President Emptysuit.
I remember back when there was the Tsunami around Christmas(our time) that hit the Muslim Nation and killed over 200'000 poeple.
The Muslim Cleric from the "Let the Quran speak" TV show said that it was from Allah to show Muslims how powerful he is and that they need to get back to the true Islam and true life for all Muslims.
Not one media outlet reported this insane rant by this Muslim cleric that still is used by the MSM as a goto guy for Moderate islam. His wife is forced to wear a head covering and she rarely gets seen with him outside of the show, and even then she acts like a lapdog that stays quiet.
'Is God omnipotent or isn't He?'
A good question indeed. By all accounts, at least in the Bible, he is omnipotent. So if he's not omnipotent what is he?
By Muslim lights Allah must have willed the events of 9/11, or of course he could easily have prevented it. How is the Christian understanding different in that respect?
The salient thing for me is to see Rick Perry with his fundamentalist 'Response' event and now Obama with his Psalm reading, each apparently blatantly trawling for potential votes from the pious Christians regardless of any supposed separation between Church and State. Not that anyone seems to mind.
@ TheSSBlock
I too am noticing a trend among many JW readers and supporters, and that is that people are being more openly hostile toward those who profess a trust in Jesus.
Now *that's* 'quite disconcerting', to use your term.
God gave people free will.
As regards God's omnipotence. In Islam He is absolutely omnipotent to the point of logical contradictions:
Tawhid (tawheed) is what passes for Muslim theology. Its main principles are...
- The absolute indivisible unity of Allah.
- The omniscience of Allah about all events past, present and future.
- The unfettered omnipotence of Allah. He can do anything he wants.
- The incomparable uniqueness of Allah, he is totally unlike anything in his creation.
- The micromanagement of the world . Laws of science are an illusion. Allah recreates the universe moment by moment according to his whim.
- Indivisible sovereignty of Allah - Man has no free will.
- Allah as a necessary rather than contingent being.
It all seems deceptively simple, and indeed this deceptiveness is used to lure the gullible into Islam, especially those Christians who do not have a sound understanding of the Trinity and the reasons why the indivisible unity of Allah leads to logical absurdities.
Of course other aspects of tawheed as well as the indivisible unity are in contradiction with Christianity. We could mention in passing the following list...
- Omniscience about future events and indivisible sovereignty precludes human free-will. We are all Allah's automatons.
- Unfettered omnipotence contradicts the observed laws of nature.
- The incomparable uniqueness of Allah contradicts Christian doctrine that Man is made in God's image.
- Omnipotence contradicts necessary existence. An omnipotent being could do anything, including ceasing to exist. Therefore Allah's existence is contingent upon his not deciding to cease to exist...
More at http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/tawhid-or-tawheed-versus-christian.html
Reading too much into it, RS. Obama hasn't (yet) done the Sword Dance with the Saudi King, like GWB did. And don't forget Obama is the guy who ordered the double-tapping on Bin Laden. My point is that other presidents have been cozy with the Islamic world. Obama didn't invent this behavior.
@ Mo,
The problem isn't a *personal* trust in Jesus. The problem is that they openly and publicly frame the conflict with Islam in religious terms. Many state that the reason Islam is objectionable, first and foremost, is because it is "of the devil" or that it is otherwise theologically defunct.
When pressed on what they plan to do about the spread of Islamic supremacism, many answer that "they will pray and follow Jesus" because "God is on our side."
The last thing I want to do is associate with individuals in a common goal who see nothing more than an opportunity to parade Christianity as the answer, and are merely finding an exceptionally good excuse in the opposition to Islam to do so.
The way to defeat Islam is with rational critique and ideas, not with more religious dogma.
You are right. We have the freedom to choose, good or evil. What does this mean to you?
Amo 3:5 Does a bird fall into a trap on the ground when there is no bait in it? Does a trap spring up from the earth when it captures nothing at all?
Amo 3:6 If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people tremble? If a calamity occurs in a city has not the LORD done it?
The way to defeat Islam is with rational critique and ideas, not with more religious dogma.
I disagree. Islam rejects rationalism. Muslims are pre-rational or anti-rational. You can as much reason with them as you can with a rabid dog. http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/islamic-irrationalism-and-anti.html
Do note that American civic piety is practically institutionalized--established, if you will--over here, dear SA. Perry's pulpit posturing is a bit over-the-top for me, though. It isn't really evangelical--he's preaching to the choir--nor charismatic--there's nothing particularly inspired by it. "By their fruits you shall know them," after all; and "Do not pray so as to be seen by men." Now, it's great that Obama can quote the Bible (so can the Devil, for that matter)--such a refreshing change from quoting an hadith!
Obama was born to a muslim father and an agnostic mother. That makes him a muslim period. End of story.
Good points from you, JCB, as usual, but...
The establishment of bad practice does not make it good practice. It just means y'all are used to it. Don't you think it just a teensy bit unconstitutional?
'Obama was born to a muslim father and an agnostic mother. That makes him a muslim period. End of story.'
But he barely knew his father did he? In any case, he had plenty of opportunity to decide for himself in his formative years. It cannot be right to say that he could only be a Muslim. Islam is not a genetic disease. More like a social disease.
@ Sean,
Islam may reject rationalism but not all Muslims do. Muslims are capable of leaving Islam, but they need to be given the intellectual tools, safe harbor, and moral support to do so.
Vehement opposition stemming from Christian dogma will achieve nothing save for contributing to a narrative in which religious forces are at an irrevocable impasse to be resolved only by perpetual war.
As I said, I have no interest in participating in a religious war in the name of Christ against those who view Christians with precisely the same sweeping and antagonistic lens.
The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore a curse consumes the earth... Isaiah24:5,6
The curse is Islam. I believe God is using it to judge the world as he said he would. In Revelation 13:4 it (the beast) is shown to be a "warring religion".
Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"
Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?".
Good. But what is the "everlasting covenant?" Who did God make an everlasting covenant with?
Check out what the ISLAMIC texts had to say about the SANCTITY of Jesus and the SINFULNESS of Muhammad!!!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/05/saint-and-sinner.html
Well, I'm not accustomed to theological debate so I don't think I'll start now. I do know what I believe, however, and that's in Jesus.
We're not puppets on a string, we all have free will. With the Bible as guide. No one can be like Jesus as He is perfect. We all fall short.
Concerning the Mohammedans they have an evil deity as their God, a deity whom I believe is really Warlord Mohamed in the guise of al-ilah, the Arabian pagan moon god Mo grew up worshipping. Islam is all just a big scam, the biggest con job the world has ever known. 72 virgins - You truly have to be brainwashed to believe that obvious lie.
Even though allah commands "slay and be slain in Allah's Cause" the Mo's still don't have to do it. Yet, there's 9/11, and Ft. Hood.
Jesus and allah are total opposites, Good/evil.
@theSSBlock...
I don't think that you need to worry about Christians invoking Crusades in the way it was done several hundred years ago. To have Westerners railing against Christianity only makes us as a society even more confused and more strangled by P-C-ness.
If you look at the teachings of the New Testament you may find that Jesus Christ was a pacifist. He never left anything in writing and many have re-told his teachings, so just best to stick with the raw data. He was NOT a jihadi.
It's also important to note, that any attempt to eradicate a need for spirituality in a people never, ever works. I just read that China is experiencing a tremendous growth in Christianity - these people have been starved for free religious expression for decades.
Eliminate one spiritual system of thought and you get another. Christianity's history is blemished but it's not a basket case and I haven't been made aware of any better, not Stalinism, not New Age (where anything goes), not Maoism, certainly not the Islamic Ummah.
Read some news from central Nigeria and you will get a clear idea of the difference between Islam and Christianity.
Don't be disconcerted. Worse things could happen.
I'd think (well, I know) that there are plenty of Calvinists and Universalists who fall into the category of Christians who believe that God was ultimately responsible for 9/11.
Here is my tribute to the tenth anniversary of 9/11:
ALWAYS REMEMBER
NEVER SUBMIT
http://s478.photobucket.com/albums/rr144/gravenimageartist/?action=view¤t=AlwaysRemember.jpg
Any comments are much appreciated.
Unctuous gets to the heart of it for me, too: a smug, smooth pretense of spiritual feeling or earnestness especially in an attempt to influence or persuade. So, yes, this official ceremony bans Clergy, yet it is The President who fills the void, himself reading a passage of the Bible? What is he trying to influence us to think? Oddly, something to do with keeping up appearances.
And this particular passage; coming from him, it is disingenuous and inappropriate. This is creepy.
@ Dallas 999,
Criticism of Christianity is not synonymous with being politically correct, or of ignoring the overwhelmingly more potent threat of Islamic doctrinal supremacy.
And though I am not worried about a Crusade narrative eclipsing the relatively innocuous tenets of contemporary Christianity, the Evangelical movement, one of the largest Christian blocs in the United States, is far from open to a secular American society and often actively opposes liberal social values, freedom of association, scientific progress, and is committed to the notion that the United States, as enshrined in the Constitution, was intended to be a Christian nation. Consequently, many view the notion of separation of Church and State as an impediment to their religious rights rather than a guarantee of a government which shall not have a monopoly upon infallible, metaphysical assertions.
Although I am not as concerned, from an objective perspective I believe it is fair to say that some prominent elements of the Christian community in the United States are similarly predisposed to maintaining an antagonistic position to a secular-liberal society as is the Islamic community.
Islam was ultimately responsible for 9/11 and will be held responsible for 9/11.
Psa 127:1 A Song of Ascents, of Solomon.
Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman keeps awake in vain.
Obama reads Psalm 46, including verse 8: "Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has wrought desolations in the earth."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/07/bahai-interfaith-work-911_n_952079.html
go on.. follow the links..
http://www.bahai.us/destiny-of-america/
yeah, I know, you won't chastise me for pointing this out..
The Baha’i writings state:
“The world is moving on. Its events are unfolding ominously and with bewildering rapidity. The whirlwind of its passions is swift and alarmingly violent. The New World is insensibly drawn into its vortex….Dangers, undreamt of and unpredictable, threaten it both from within and from without. Its governments and peoples are being gradually enmeshed in the coils of the world’s recurrent crises and fierce controversies….The world is contracting into a neighborhood. America, willingly or unwillingly, must face and grapple with this new situation. For purposes of national security, let alone any humanitarian motive, she must assume the obligations imposed by this newly created neighborhood. Paradoxical as it may seem, her only hope of extricating herself from the perils gathering around her is to become entangled in that very web of international association which the Hand of an inscrutable Providence is weaving.”
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Why that Psalm? because the new world order demands that allah be Yahweh.. the new world order demands that we accept slavery..
Obama is a puppet.. Valerie 'baha'i' Jarret has more power than Barry..
I recently watched a video at chabad.org of the Rebbe Schnerson, of blessed memory, and a wise man of great faith, discussing faith. He suggested that after a negative event one should affirm that "Whatever the Merciful does is for the good. This too is good." He also suggested that after suffering a loss one should appreciate the life that is left. One should live one's life with so much energy, enthusiasm and joy that there is no longer any sense of loss. Does this mean that G-d caused 9-11? No, I don't think so.
If you read and accept the book of Job you understand that there is no possible way for man to understand or fathom the actions of G-d, good or bad. There is no rational way of knowing or saying G-d did something to you as a punishment because you did that. We have to accept that we just don't know.
This interpretation doesn't absolve the suicide bombers from their evil acts or suggest that we should not do all we can to stop them. We need to continue to encourage them to reform their religious beliefs.
For me, Obama doesn't exude religious or spiritual depth, so I was a bit uncomfortable watching him reading Psalms. But after watching this video a couple of times I appreciate that the message really was one of having faith. "G-d is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore we will not fear..."
Abraham “Through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed.” Genesis 26:4
The covenant is with everyone through Christ the offspring of Abraham.
May the truly faithful descend upon our fortifications like
Polish Angels
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/09/other-september-11th.html
Gen 26:4 "I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed....
The covenant of the giving of the land of Israel to Isaac's descendants is with everyone on the face of the earth through Jesus?
If you want Reason, you must be Penitent.
If you want submission, you must be Filament.
Human is not One Dimensional.
I watch the video twice and I disagree with the author.
The verse before the one cited is
"The God of Jacob is our stronghold"
and Your president finish the allocution with
"The God of Jacob is our stronghold"
It is cited twice. I therefore say there is an emphasis on this. An interesting one.
It does not say the Lord of Abraham and Isaac, but the Lord of Jacob.
"The covenant of the giving of the land of Israel to Isaac's descendants is with everyone on the face of the earth through Jesus?"
"as the stars of heaven"
"as the stars of heaven"
"as the stars of heaven"
How do you think that's supposed to happen?
No matter what, no descendant of Issac 'only' would ever add up to the amount of stars contained in Galaxies containing stars. Give up your DNA fetish..
"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say 'and to seeds', meaning many people, but 'and to your seed,' meaning one person, who is Christ." Galatians 3:16
Do you disagree with Paul's rendering of the Hebrew here?
Come to my Facebook page and request friendship so we can discuss it outside Jihad Watch.
https://www.facebook.com/ronmorgen
I believe the simple explanation for this is political. Obama needs the Judeo/Christian votes. He also needs to shed the concept of his being a stealth Muslim.
Did the pompous twit call the Bible the HOLY BIBLE
Like he repeatedly ad nauseam called the koran the HOLY KORAN, the HOLY KORAN, the HOLY KORAN during his disgusting speech back at the al azhar university in Cairo 2009
Not sure this link will work but here's a picture I think speaks a thousand words, at least.
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/09/11/nyregion/OBAMA2.html
Robert, much as I love Jihad Watch and respect your scholarship and insight, I have to add my voice to those who see the hand of God in all things.
Consider Job:
"Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? Curse God, and die. But he said unto her, Thou speakest as onee of the foolish women speaketh. What? Shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips." (Job 2:9-10).
Jesus also said that God clothes the grass and lillies of the field, and not a sparrow can fall from the sky without our Heavenly Father's will (they're in Matthew, and I'm too lazy right now).
I do not pretend to know all that God is doing in these "dread providences" as men from Cotton Mather down to Jonathan Edwards and John Witherspoon might have said. But I dare to believe that perhaps He might be disciplining sons whom He loves (viz., the book of Proverbs in the Old Testament and its quotations in Hebrews, in the New).
For the record, while I am a firm believer in God's foreordaining all that comes to pass (including some very painful tragedies that have happened in my own family and to me, personally), I do not join the Rev'd Wrong and his ilk who so cheerfully call down God's damnation on the United States. I do not call that down on Sa'udi Arabia, Iran, and Pakistan, either; for this high mystery of predestination includes the coming of Christ and his work, so I must pray for my Muslim neighbor's salvation, and leave how things finally fall out to the Almighty Himself.
If Islam posits a doctrine of predestination and providence, it's something that crops up wherever there's a high theism. According to Josephus, the Pharisees of old believed it, as did their critics Jesus and erstwhile disciple Paul. Hence, an Islamic doctrine of predestination is something I'd see as a sound element in an otherwise unsound structure.
Consider as well Abraham Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, spoken during a darker hour in our country's history. While Lincoln may not have ever joined a church, I wonder if some of his about divine providence and judgment in the Second Inaugural Address might not have been gleaned from his Primitive Baptist upbringing and the Old School Presbyterian services he sometimes attended with his wife (a believer).
My guess is, Robert, that you do not want to implicate a God whom you seem to love, in something which shocks and horrifies most of us here (including myself). But, please do not assume that all who confess divine sovereignty are necessarily violence-loving Muslim extremists.
Robert, Was he the one responsible for choosing the passage or did the event planners choose it? By the same token, did Pres. Bush choose the A. Lincoln letter or was it chosen for him? I am in no way defending Pres. Obama or denigrating your article, just curious.
Thanx
Robert, Was he the one responsible for choosing the passage or did the event planners choose it? By the same token, did Pres. Bush choose the A. Lincoln letter or was it chosen for him? I am in no way defending Pres. Obama or denigrating your article, just curious.
Thanx
We are being beseiged by an enemy who wants to kill us all so I think it would behoove us to stop the religious squabbling and concentrate on defeating our enemies.
None of us can prove to anyone but ourselves or like minded people that our religious beliefs are true so it is pointless to argue about it, especially when we are facing a mortal enemy.
you could understand the problem...
the war is between the God fearing, and those who would be god's hand...
Restoration must only come after the lesson learned.
People here hope the 'glimpse' doesn't have to happen
you are off base.. literally.. you have nothing to stand on.
this is my son's posts from islam-watch.org:
To Malem (or any other muslim): The tools that I must use to figure out what I must do.
In an earlier post, you said:
"Allah does not do what you say, he provides you with the tools to figure out what YOU must do. It is appropriate to quote Louisa May Alcott who said 'I'm not afraid of storms, for I am learning to sail my ship.' Just let Allah by your compass."
Tool Set #1: just remember all of the verses that tell children to be good to their parents.
Now consider this. My mother's husband, my father, treats her as though she is his property. Often this leads him to verbally attack her with very very hurtful words. This causes her to experience hour-long bouts of crying. He apparently does not understand that he must not do this to his wife.
So it is my duty, according to Tool Set #1, to verbally defend her from her attacker. My intention is to deflect the verbal attacks so as to cause him to stop his onslaught of hurtful words. In every case, I do not succeed without also inadvertently offending him. Why? Because I'm 30 years younger than him and he doesn't believe that younger people (and women) have the right to tell him anything. When he feels attacked by me, then he tells me that he is the head of this family, this is his wife, and that he has the right to reprimand her and if she doesn't obey, then he has the right to beat her (Q/4:34). He also says that I must be good to him and show him gratitude and humility (Q/31:14-15).
Tool Set #2:
Q/4:34 - "Men shall take full care of women with the bounties which God has bestowed more abundantly on the former than on the latter, and with what they may spend out of their possessions. ... And as for those women whose ill-will you have reason to fear, admonish them [first]; then leave them alone in bed; then beat them; and if thereupon they pay you heed, do not seek to harm them..."
Q/31:14-15 - "We have enjoined on man and woman (to be good) to his/her parents; show gratitude to Me and to thy parents; to Me is (thy final) Goal. If they (parents) strive to make thee join in worship with Me things of which thou hast no knowledge, obey them not; yet bear them company in this life with justice (and consideration) and follow the way of those who turn to Me (in love)."
So it seems that some of these tools tells him to attack her, while others tell me to defend her, and yet others tell me not to defend against his attack (be ungrateful to him).
So who is in the right? Him or I? Am I supposed to let him attack my mom (disobey tool from both tool sets)? Or is he supposed to let me stop him (disobey tools from Tool Set #2)?
Obama is disgusting, he really seems to be a crypto Muslim. 9/11 was only evil, nothing to do with Hashem, the terrorists were inspired by their moon god cult. Atta had a paradise wedding suit in his luggage, courtesy to Robert "The P.I.G. to Islam"
Get them out off our premises in the Western world, they don't belong to civilisation.
this is my son's post from islam-watch.org:
Expounding on Duh_Swami's post about cognitive dissonance
written by Exmuslim , August 28, 2011
I'd like to expound on Duh_Swami's post. I am writing a book titled, Education, Opportunity, and Happiness. Part of my book will define every barrier to education. Two of them are relevant here, Religion and Cognitive Dissonance.
Duh_Swami has just stated that cognitive dissonace causes people to continue to deny the truth about religion and continue to believe in it.
Cognitive dissonance is the uncomfortable feeling that the unconscious experiences when it is presented with new info that does not reconcile with its old info. The old info is housed in long-term memory. The new info is something that the person has just received. Within the long-term memory of a Muslim, they 'know' that Mohamed is innocent. And when that Muslim is presented with something that doesn't reconcile with this, such as Mohamad was a rapist, petifile, robber, cheat, and serial killer, then their unconscious experiences this cognitive dissonance. And the unconscious attempts to relieve this dissonance. It has more than one tool up its sleeve, but its most common response is to deny the new info.
Why does our unconscious do this? A baby is born. The baby gets hungry. If the baby doesn't cry, it will die. The unconscious receives info from its senses and so the unconscious registers that the baby is hungry. The unconscious now causes a behavior; crying. This is the same causal relationship that is responsible for cognitive dissonance. The unconscious links feelings with behaviors and vice versa. For an adult, this is irrational. The conscious should override this activity. Note, that all animals have the same feature in their unconscious. But only humans have the ability to rationalize in order to override the unconscious.
But this begs the question, why don't the conscious minds of muslims override their unconscious counterparts? Why don't muslims use rational thought rather than random thoughts produced by the unconscious? Two reasons:
1) Most people have not learned philosophy. This means that they have not learned how to think rationally. They haven't learned how to ask the right questions. They are still asking the wrong questions. The same questions that their parents asked. Philosophy allows someone to dismiss the frivolous questions, such as "Why are we here?" This question is best approached by asking: Why does this question matter? Lets consider the answer. Do you think that the answer, what ever it maybe, can be used to figure out how to live your life? I say, no. Therefore it does not matter. I don't waste my time or energy on things that CAN NOT affect my life.
2) Most people have not learned about cognitive dissonance. This means that they are not aware that their mind is producing random stupid thoughts; together with smart ones too of course. And they do not know that it is the responsibility of the conscious to determine whether the thoughts that the unconscious produces, are rational or irrational. And the only way to determine this, is to think rationally about the new info that has just caused the unconscious to have an uncomfortable feeling. The conscious is supposed to register this uncomfortable feeling and immediately initiate a systematic process of reconciling the new info (related to the feeling ) with the old info.
THE JEWISH WORLDVIEW
These are actual quotes from the Talmud...NOTHING in the Quran as disgusting as any of this!!
Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and
do the evil there.
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a
Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and
governors played the harlot with carpenters."
this is my son's post from islam-watch.org:
Hi Malem,
You said, "As for my ego, I have none. I do not need an ego when I have Allah."
The first sentence is clearly false. But before I prove it, I'll ask about the second statement. By the way, I'm addressing everyone because I know you (Malem) will not answer my questions. Why? Because they are rhetorical. Why? Because if you answer them, you'll be proving yourself wrong. :) Happy reading!
I'll start by separating the second statement into two parts, (A and B). "I do not need an ego,"
(A.1) - Why would you (or anybody else) 'need' an ego? As I understand it, the phrase 'he has an ego' means that 'he' thinks 'he' is better than 'he' actually is. So why would you need to think you are better than you actually are?
(A.2) - And if you don't 'need' an ego, does that necessary equate to that you don't 'have' an ego? Just because I don't 'need' a temper doesn't mean that I don't 'have' a temper. And this time with variables; Just because I don't 'need' X doesn't mean that I don't 'have' X. Do you see?
And the second part of that second statement is, "when I have Allah."
(B.1) - This suggests that sometimes you DON'T have Allah. But this is ambiguous. Why? Because your statement doesn't explain whether or not you 'need' an ego when you DON'T have Allah. Do you see?
(B.2) - And what about non-muslims? Your statement suggests that when a person doesn't have Allah, he DOES need an ego. So I refer you to my earlier point A.1. We don't need ego's either. Nobody does. Do you see?
And for the first statement; "As for my ego, I have none." What you really mean is that you are not egotistical. The Webster Dictionary defines egotism as "an excessive regard for one's own talents or achievements; conceit, self-importance; acting with only one's own interests in mind." So you are referring your talents and achievements. And you are saying that you don't believe that you are overestimating them.
Its important now to implement symbolic logic rather than just philosophical logic. We start by defining some terms:
X = Your actual talents and achievements.
Y = How you regard your talents and achievements.
If you are not egotistical, then X >= Y. Do you see?
All I must do now is measure X and Y and then compare the measurements:
X - My mother has read your quotes and has found the following. You are very proud to be a physician. You think that you are more logical than others. You think that your use of the English language is superior to others. You think that you are smarter than others.
Y - Your entire post is riddled with grammar, vocabulary, and logic mistakes and an incorrect assumption. The grammar and vocabulary mistakes are well-documented on this site so I will not repeat. As for your logic mistakes, I've revealed many of them above. Finally, you assumed that my mom referred to your small penis. But she did not use the word penis or any noun at all. She was referring to your small 'character.' She left it ambiguous because she is too classy to use such dirty words. You assumed this because others on the site assumed it; although maybe no one else assumed it and rather they only made it look like that so that they could make fun of you. Either way, you copied their thinking. You are not thinking for yourself and instead you are simply copying others.
Now lets compare X and Y. Which is greater?
If X >= Y, then you are not egotistical, else you are egotistical.
Clearly, Y is much greater than X. Therefore, you ARE egotistical.
It's act of Allal--Obama's god !
a desperate baha'i..
hello
What 9/11 an act of God??? This an act of evil and we know who are the evil? Totally unacceptable this political correctness!!
Where did the idea that allah and Yahweh were interchangeable come from?
And the mask slips ...
d(^_^)b
http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
"Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive"
Hey, Crapola, you should know that s*** is antisemitic propaganda! None of those verses exist or they have been misinterpreted.
Check your sources (or find better ones), because you're making a fool of yourself.
9/11 is an act of God 'Obama'
Then all the murders committed in the US are an act of God and I wonder why do we need a police force?
Then any terrorist act committed by anyone, 99.999% are Islamic terrorists, is an act of God and why do we need Homeland security?
If 9/11 is an act of God, then Pearl Harbor was an act of God, Try telling that to the people who fought against the tyranny in the second world war.
I am serious that Obama is an enemy within and Islam has almost completed the first chapter of a takeover.
Obama is a disgusting President if there ever was.
Hey dude, where did you scratch this piece of nonsense from? I am interested in the link to your source, if you can.
OT
Michael Coren & Robert Spencer on the islamofascist elephant in the room
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUn0ep6xO00&feature=feedu
Graven, dear lady, I always love the bluntness of your work. Your newest work is no exception.
I am a Gharkad Tree is my favorite.
You're in the big leagues now, boy.
Another of your fellow skinheads, or perhaps it was a musloid, posted this same garbage on another site about a year ago.
I was curious and spent months searching all of these alleged quotes and lo and behold the only places I could find this garbage were...are you ready for it?...white supremacist and musloid sites. I poured over the actual texts of the Talmud which are available not just on Jewish sites but on the sites of many secular institutions of higher learning. Not one thing you've posted exists anywhere other than your little circle of skinheaded and musloid supremacists.
Unlike you and your musloid masters, us kaffir, don't have to lie about what's in the texts of islam.
All that you twisted little racists have is your own lies that you perpetuate amongst each other.
I sincerly hope you find out the hard way that the musloids you're rubbing elbows with hate you whities just as much as they hate "DA JOOOOOS."
You're in the big leagues now, boy.
Another of your fellow skinheads, or perhaps it was a musloid, posted this same garbage on another site about a year ago.
I was curious and spent months searching all of these alleged quotes and lo and behold the only places I could find this garbage were...are you ready for it?...white supremacist and musloid sites. I poured over the actual texts of the Talmud which are available not just on Jewish sites but on the sites of many secular institutions of higher learning. Not one thing you've posted exists anywhere other than your little circle of skinheaded and musloid supremacists.
Unlike you and your musloid masters, us kaffir, don't have to lie about what's in the texts of islam.
All that you twisted little racists have is your own lies that you perpetuate amongst each other.
I sincerly hope you find out the hard way that the musloids you're rubbing elbows with hate you whities just as much as they hate "DA JOOOOOS."
Sorry, folks, about the double post.
I don't know how the heck that happened.
I have to defend Obama again. He essentially did not know his father. The only pic I've seen of them together is the one where Obama looks around 12, and it appears they're in an airport. That Obama turned out to be a good kid from such wacky parents is pretty amazing.
Far better than Hussein's choice, here are two worthy sources of history, warning, reality and the real cause discussions of 9-11, the date, and 9-11 historically, as a continuum of history. Excellent reads for much fuller perspective, really big and real, perspective! Thanks to the Gates of Vienna, for this one!
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/09/other-september-11th.html
http://www.historyofjihad.org/austria.html
Expect to learn much, and more good links are provided in them! Learn from the history that repeats, and know a hell of a lot more than Hussein! And others, unfortunately.
Happy Croissants to you! Knew there must be a good reason to love Croissants!
Totally agree.
I always thought that Psalm 46 was the soldier's psalm because it talks about victory for Israel over the heathen and that God is in control, to cause wars to cease and to destroy all the soldiers' tools.
This is just another political self-deflection from his own Israeli policy and a token gesture for 9-11 votes while he moves his agenda forward.
Pfffft! Who really give a flying fork what the anointed one thinks or says anymore(if they ever did) ? I'll leave him to the deluded and if and when they wake the heck up they may then have the good sense to try him for treason.
I love it. Thanks for putting the remembrance back in 9/11.
Sorry, gvan, I just noticed our overlapping references, that I put on without reading above. Great stuff, van, great stuff. I had found it while plodding through some of my top bookmarks, and read both of mine, then decided they needed to be seen by those not as familiar with important history, that seems to repeat, too much, and has lead to our current day, due to the dictum of mahammadanism.
So I suppose the Blitzkrieg and Pearl Harbor were also acts of God. Likewise the Ottoman advance on Vienna, according to the 60s and 70s dope-smoking sandal-wearing Guevara-worshipping PC multiculti brigade, and the overwhelming responses to them were 'war crimes' according to those same PC traitors in our midst.
And don't forget that other 9/11 - the Battle of Zenta in 1697.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/534408/posts
And now the Leftist saps will probably denounce Prince Eugene of Savoy as a 'war criminal' now,as they do to anyone who defends Western civilization with rifles, muskets, machine guns, howitzers, crossbows and bombs.
And now the Leftist saps will probably denounce Prince Eugene of Savoy as a 'war criminal' now, as they do to anyone who defends Western civilization with rifles, muskets, machine guns, howitzers, crossbows and bombs. He defeated the Turks in several other battless like Peterwardein in 1716 (5 August) - watch that date being used for an atriocity.
Those Jewish-invented vaccines and medicines were wasted on antisemitic scum like you. You must be so upset that Hitler lost before completing his 'final solution'.
Not just 9/11 but countless thousands of other 9/11s dating all the way back to 623 AD.
when*pigs*fly wrote:
I love it. Thanks for putting the remembrance back in 9/11.
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Thank you, when*pigs*fly.
Personally, Psalm 46 *is* one of the Psalms that gives me encouragement and comfort as I reflect upon our present predicament. (I learned it by heart when I was about 13, in the old-fashioned King James Version, and I recently 'brushed up' my knowledge of this and of other psalms).
Because when I hear the words "the heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved, he uttered his voice, the earth melted" I see a pretty good picture of all those raging, boasting, hysterical, puffed-up, threatening Mohammedan 'clerics' and jihadist gang bosses who appear on way too many Islamic video. They're the modern version of what the Psalmist was describing.
And what is the response? - 'The LORD of hosts is with us, the God of Jacob is our refuge".
And then God goes into action...in the context, it's pretty obvious he's acting to defend his people. YHWH destroys the weapons of war - not just any weapons of war, it's pretty clear from the context, but the weapons of the raging 'nations' who are threatening the city of God.
*I* would read this psalm 'with intent'; I would read it 'against' Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Hassan Nasrallah and the whole boiling.
And having destroyed the *enemy's* weapons of war, the Holy One says, "Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth".
(How do I hear that, today? 'Be still and know that *I* am God'. Not the infernal allah, the Arab god of blood and war, but YHWH, the Holy One: *He* is God.)
And his people respond - 'The Lord of Hosts is with us, the God of Jacob is our refuge'.
So I don't think people should get their knickers in a knot over this one.
Plenty of Christians - and Jews, too - probably read Psalm 46 exactly the way I've just done here.
Verse 8 is the problem, particularly at the dedication of a memorial to 9/11:
Also Google search the Islamic view of Jacob.I am a Christian, and I know how much comfort this psalm can offer to the bereaved.
But the part about the Lord bringing desolations is in appropriate for the venue in which it was used on 9/11/11.
Not all Scriptures are appropriate for every occasion.
Would FDR have read that verse the day after Pearl Harbor? I think not.
Istanbul Chick wrote:
Graven, dear lady, I always love the bluntness of your work. Your newest work is no exception.
I am a Gharkad Tree is my favorite.
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Thank you so much, Istanbul Chick. I'm glad you like I am a Gharkad Tree.
The power that may eventually destroy Islam is not the increasingly PC, wussified, indebted, subverted, de-industrialized United States, but a confident Christian China: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14838749
And another thing....Why didn't Obama use Psalm 23? Or maybe excerpts from three psalms with comforting passages?
QUESTION:
What version of the Bible did Obama use when he read Psalm 46?
History has seen its Quislings and Chamberlains - appeasers and traitors - now we have our Camoron and you have your Obama - nothing changes - nobody learns
I think the following has already been mentioned here (and elsewhere), but I'm typing in the following anyway....
Background on Psalm 46::
Quranic reference to Korah:The Twin Towers did indeed look as if they had been swallowed by the earth on 9/11/01.
This is the best "reasoned" response in regards to the threats that we are all facing, Islam and jihad said back in 2006:
"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
First said by a Byzantine emperor, Manuel II Paleologus to an Iranian scholar, and said in Germany by Pope Benedict XVI.
Tell the truth folks, tell the truth folks.
GOD AND 9/11
The 9/11 attack was a despicable act of evil carried out by bloodthirsty, murdering, sadistic savages inspired by Islamic law and the example of Islam's prophet of war. But for Americans of Faith this horrifically evil act was allowed by a Supremely Good, Just, and Powerful God for a GREATER GOOD only known to Him that will be revealed in the fullness of time.
Ld Back wrote: "But, your suggestion that 911 was not an act of God, I disagree. I do not think it was a judgment or punishment by God, I do believe that God is absolutely sovereign and has control of all things, even 911."
Will someone else here note the utter irrationality of this statement? If God had control over 9/11, what was the nature of his “control,” if it was not a judgment or punishment? A whim? A tantrum? A prank? Or are we not supposed to know God’s purposes, and that his actions or non-actions are beyond human ken? That’s the usual retort of Christians when they’re faced with the blatant contradictions of their “faith.” Muslims are just as bad. They’ll say Allah punished us. God? Have there been any reports of God sending a message to the world, “Whoops. Sorry about that. I had a date with the Tooth Fairy and completely forgot.” And that person isn’t alone in asserting the appropriateness of Obama’s choice of words.
Or are most other readers of JW dyed-in-the-wool Christians? Even Spencer here asks rhetorical questions about what Obama meant, noting however that “The only people who think that 9/11 was an act of the Supreme Being wreaking desolations on the earth are...Islamic jihadists. So why did Barack Obama pick this psalm out of 150 psalms, and out of innumerable appropriate Biblical passages, to read at the 9/11 ceremonies?”
No passages from the Bible would have been appropriate to the occasion. Frankly, I think Obama’s choice of Psalm 46 was his rubbing our noses in the dirt. He may as well have quoted from the Koran. I notice that no Muslims have scored him on the passage. They get it. I got it. But perhaps the passage Obama used was appropriate to the occasion. We haven’t defeated the enemy, which is Islam, because our government is afraid to speak the “I” word. And look at the mess the new “WTC” is. It’s not the WTC, it’s “Memorial Plaza.” It’s desolation, all right. Grief institutionalized with two “footprint” pools that are fantastically expense to operate and a museum/mausoleum. Death-worship gussied up in a party dress. Why don’t the “planners” just add carnival rides?
It is amazing that both Obama and Bush had read from the Jewish Bible at this ceremony! When will people around the world recognize that it was the Jews that had given humanity ethical rules of behavior and that their Koran is mostly a rehash of Hebrew Bible (and Christian Bible) where it is good and the half of it is a hateful suras that disparage Jews, Christians and Infidels and particularly warn Muslims against the Jews because Jews like life while true Muslims should prefer "eternal" life in Paradise (presumably with 72 virgins if they die as martyrs, i.e murdering Jews and Americans).
On 9/11 my Muslim friend told me that US should help close all the madrases in Pakistan where the most recruitment for the terrorists comes from and replace those rote memorization of Koran places with secular schools to teach young Muslims some useful for this world skills rather than teaching them hatred for the Jews, Christians and kuffar.
@Skeen66:
"And look at the mess the new “WTC” is. It’s not the WTC, it’s “Memorial Plaza.” It’s desolation, all right. Grief institutionalized with two “footprint” pools that are fantastically expense to operate and a museum/mausoleum. Death-worship gussied up in a party dress. Why don’t the “planners” just add carnival rides?"
I look at the rebuilding of the WTC area from a different perspective. The new buildings going up are TRULY WORKS OF ART. I call the new WTC Towers numbers 1,2, and 3 complainment each other. I do miss the two WTC Towers, but at least the memorials that are there offer a sense of peace and opportunity for quiet reflection. The sad reality is that towers such as those, because of tougher building regulations, could never be built again. They truly are fitting memorials to those who died on that horrible day. The new buildings going up are to be regarded as "living memorials".
If you want to look at things a bit different then one could say that the new Freedom Tower, 1 WTC can be compared to it being what New Yorkers would call, the famous "Bronx salute" to Mecca and a reminder that Americans may come into difficult times, but Americans keep on going.
QUESTION:
What version of the Bible did Obama use when he read Psalm 46?
It looks to be the New King James Version (NKJV).
The "new" WTC is being built on our enemy's terms. It will complement the GZ mosque that Bloomberg and his Dubai pals are intent on seeing erected. And, guess what? You're going to pay for both if the bill introduced in Congress gets to Obama's desk. Count on him signing it. Your perspective is one of submission. There will come a time when you won't be allowed to give Mecca the Bronx cheer without risking a penalty.
Vlasta Molak:
"On 9/11 my Muslim friend told me that US should help close all the madrases in Pakistan where the most recruitment for the terrorists comes from and replace those rote memorization of Koran places with secular schools to teach young Muslims some useful for this world skills rather than teaching them hatred for the Jews, Christians and kuffar."
Give your Muslim A LOT OF CREDIT commenting on the NEED to replace the sources of were recruting new terrorists with schools which WILL teach legit skills to give young Muslims to make an honest living because he senses the NEED for folks like him to clean out their house of the RADICALS.
It was upsetting the watch president Obama reading from the bible with what seemed to be a contemptuous look on his face. It did look like the blame game to me. And I’m thinking someone needs to contact homeland security and get God on the no fly list.
“Even though you planned evil against me, God planned good to come out of it. This was to keep many people alive, as he is doing now.” Gen 50:20
“Whatever is good and perfect comes down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens. He never changes or casts a shifting shadow.” James 1:17
“For I know the plans I have for you," says the LORD. "They are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope.” Jeremiah 29:11
I believe in the future and the hope, the enemy of our souls may win some battles but he will lose the war. God is still in control and I plan to keep a positive attitude.
You're a clown!
You can quote the Talmud til you're blue in the face, it doesn't alter the fact that the Jewish version of the Enlightenment, The Haskalah, consigned all that stuff you're quoting to history.
But, 'Slay the infidel wherever you may find them' is still current in Islam. Islam needs to undergo its own Enlightenment.
You are such an idiot!
Why should I, a taxpayer, help to close the madrasses? Why should I consider the "need" of Muslims of better schools? People just aren't getting it: Islam is Islam; it is by nature "radical." It can’t be reformed without killing it. You may as well try to “reform” communism, or Nazism. Vlasta’s “Muslim friend” wants to have his cake and eat it, too. He is indulging in fantasy.
The hypocrisy of Obama reading from the Bible and saying "God bless America" is breathtaking.
Do you disagree with Paul's rendering of the Hebrew here?
Come to my Facebook page and request friendship so we can discuss it outside Jihad Watch.
https://www.facebook.com/ronmorgen
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I cannot log onto your facebook page because I am not a member of facebook and probably will not become a member. I don't use my computer for socializing or social networking. A computer, like a television, is a tool that can be used for good and for silly and vain pursuits. I'm not convinced facebook or twitter is anything much serious.
And yes, I disagree with Paul's rendering of the Hebrew.
Obama thinks he is comforting the American people...but he is really repeating the Islamic message.
I am so sorry he is so misguided in this respect!
Perhaps, more appropriate would be to quote the left wing mainstream media circa 2008 instead of the Holy Bible for the causes of the Islamic attack on 9/11. Because the messiah has spoken to the masses and gave his warning of things to come.
re: AoW
And each of the GZ 9/11 memorial 'refecting pools' resemble a reflection of the kabbah quenching it's bloodlust.
Psalm 46 brings up Karun, whose Koranic alter ego is Qarun, mentioned in Quran 28:76
More information about Qarun is found in "Reliance of the Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law", 2008 reprint On page x222 Biographical Notes
It's not much of a leap to point out Obama's insulting little sermon was not intended to mourn the dead. Viewed through an Islamic lens, Obama's clever yet subtle Psalm 46 reference to Karun (Qarun) instructs that nineteen hijackers were divinely inspired to inflict 9/11's destruction as punishment for America's extreme arrogance.
Ten years on, and this perfidious con is what Americans have for a moral leader? Spit.
Perhaps now it makes a little more sense why Bloomberg refused to permit clergy to this memorial and the White House issued permissable talking points for 9/11 communications.
Lan Astaslem
@ grungyoldvan
"you are off base.. literally.. you have nothing to stand on."
Now that's a real specific comment. I didn't know I was playing baseball.
just when I thought I could not be any more disgusted with this clown.
Why is this a surprise. His preacher said god did it. Guess that was the one day he was listening.
Muslims know no shame when it comes to the evil they do to non-muslims.
"Is God omnipotent or isn't He?"
I shudder to think that a benevolent God would have a direct hand in the Holocaust as a teaching moment, but then again, this is similar to the mindset of the Muslim jihadists who forgoe all rational thinking, giving in to a belief of a fated existence in search of salvation through murder and mayhem.
As far as Obama goes. He is either insidious or clueless, or quite poosibly a nice mixture of both. Any of those answers reflect poorly on him, in my estimation.
"I shudder to think that a benevolent God would have a direct hand in the Holocaust as a teaching moment...."
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Should God be benevolent to the righteous and the wicked alike? Should He be benevolent to those who do good and those who do evil; to the just and the unjust? If I behave wickedly - even if I were a son of God - shall I expect God to return my wickedness with benevolence?
Have you read the twenty eighth chapter of the book of Deuteronomy?
"Now it shall be, if you diligently obey the LORD your God, being careful to do all His commandments which I command you today, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth.
"All these blessings will come upon you and overtake you if you obey the LORD your God:
"Blessed shall you be in the city, and blessed shall you be in the country.....
.....But it shall come about, if you do not obey the LORD your God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes with which I charge you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
"Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the country...."
Read it here: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+28&version=NASB
Do you believe Moses' warnings? If a nations do wickedly, should we expect God to return our wickedness with benevolence?
Skeen66
"The "new" WTC is being built on our enemy's terms. It will complement the GZ mosque that Bloomberg and his Dubai pals are intent on seeing erected. And, guess what? You're going to pay for both if the bill introduced in Congress gets to Obama's desk. Count on him signing it. Your perspective is one of submission. There will come a time when you won't be allowed to give Mecca the Bronx cheer without risking a penalty."
You forget that the area in question is a business area and you are wrong, it has nothing to do with those who hate us. Plus companies pay into local city taxes, which will include those companies that will move into those three buildings. When you had the Twin Towers it did the same thing, the companies from those two towers helped to pay taxes to the city of New York. The memorial museum that is still under contruction DOES belong to the US Park Service with the memorial itself.
Plus with new tech coming out each day which will make it impossible for an idology from the 7th century to keep up, so anyone who wants to do that "Bronx cheer" will be able to do so without being caught. Count on it.
Plus with no information to back up what you have posted, I take all this from what I have read from you Skeen66 as heresay.
I for one don’t expect God do a thing other than what He said is going to do and since my mind cann’t comprehend all that, I’m more concerned with what He expects me to do. That would be love Him and love you.
That would solve this whole mess we are in, but we all know that’s not going to happen. Not in this life but there will be a day and it maybe sooner then we think when this world will pass away and all this confusion with it.
It’s a sad thing to be always grieving, moaning, and complaining concerning this present day and age. But know this; there will be a new haven and a new earth with no more war or death, with no more tears or sorrow, and no pain. So I know I can love Him and love you enough to want you to be there.
Skeen66:
Also I love art and graphic design, including that of building design so there is nothing wrong with that.
McCafferty: Don't tell me what to "know" about your particular religious obsessions. They have no more validity than anyone else's wishful thinking, and one of the most irrtating thing about Christians to those of us you despise as "secular" is the way you keep insisting that your myths and saccharine maunderings about your gods have anything to do with reality. Your longing to escape to "another life" is pathetic childish escapism dolled up in religious rhetoric. And do not wish me to be there. I do not want to be there any more than I want to be stuck in North Korea for the rest of eternity.
Permission to whine, pout, and feel hurt and offended. You'll do that anyway.
Aside from the undeniably assertive "Freedom Tower", what I have seen of the rest of that site is a sad mess focused on those two huge drains that appear to be sucking rivers of tears into the ground. It breaks my heart to remember the soaring towers and bustling plaza that are no more.
wildjew replied to comment from Ron Morgen | September 12, 2011 4:52 PM | Reply
Good. But what is the "everlasting covenant?" Who did God make an everlasting covenant with?
Ron Morgen replied to comment from wildjew | September 12, 2011 5:33 PM | Reply
Abraham “Through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed.” Genesis 26:4
The covenant is with everyone through Christ the offspring of Abraham.
wildjew replied to comment from Ron Morgen | September 12, 2011 5:56 PM | Reply
Gen 26:4 "I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed....
The covenant of the giving of the land of Israel to Isaac's descendants is with everyone on the face of the earth through Jesus?
Ron Morgen | September 12, 2011 6:12 PM | Reply
"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say 'and to seeds', meaning many people, but 'and to your seed,' meaning one person, who is Christ." Galatians 3:16
Ron, the covenant of the giving of the LAND of Israel is to Abrahams descendants through Isaac, i.e., the Jews. The promise of the Messiah Yeshua came through the seed of Isaac. It seems you ignored this passage "by your descendant(s) all the nations of the earth shall be blessed". By who's descendant(s) shall all the NATIONS of the earth be blessed? Is it Mohammad's descendants or Isaac's? Both were son's of Abraham. But the promise of the Messiah came through Isaac.
Correction: Is it Ishmael's descendants or Isaac's? Both were son's of Abraham. But the promise of the Messiah came through Isaac.
I meant to write Ishmael, not Mohammad. Mo, was of course, a descendant of Ishmael.
To all those here, Jews, Christians and atheists, who have been arguing theodicy in connection with September 11, I suggest that you get, and read, David Bentley Hart's "The Doors of the Sea".
I mention the sceptics simply because most modern sceptics, when arguing against and pouring scorn upon what they are pleased to call Christianity, tend to show very little awareness of what orthodox, historic Christian faith has in fact said and taught about evil, about human freedom, and about God. They attack a caricature.
Hart's book was written in the wake of the 2004 tsunami, but it does not confine itself only to discussion of what we might call 'natural disaster'; Hart is well aware of the existence and ubiquity and persistence of human evil, that often leads to atrocities such as September 11, or to worse, far worse.
I won't try to summarise his arguments here, rather I will encourage people to read it, they may find it helpful.
Here is an interview that may also be of use.
http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=3301
Where Was God? An Interview with David Bentley Hart
One of the money quotes (emphases are mine)
"*All* that Christian scripture asserts is that evil cannot defeat God’s purposes or thwart the coming of his kingdom.
"Divine providence, of course, will always bring about God’s good ends despite -- and in a sense through -- the evils of this world; but that is not the same thing as saying that evil has a *necessary* part to play in God’s plans, and that God *required* evil to bring about the kingdom.
"As the empty tomb of Christ above all reveals, the verdict of God that rescues and redeems creation also overturns the order of the fallen world, and shatters the powers of historical and natural necessity that the fallen world comprises."...
"Q: Does your understanding of evil have implications for pastoral practice in the face of evil?
"D B H: "I honestly don’t know. I haven’t a pastoral bone in my body.
"But I would implore pastors never to utter banal consolations concerning God’s "greater plan" or the mystery of his will.
"The first proclamation of the gospel is that death is God’s ancient enemy, whom God has defeated and will ultimately destroy.
" I would hope that no Christian pastor would fail to recognize that that completely shameless triumphalism -- and with it an utterly sincere and unrestrained hatred of suffering and death -- is the surest foundation of Christian hope, and the proper Christian response to grief."
Back to 'The Doors of the Sea':
And - this speaks only to the Christians among us, the others may eavesdrop if they wish -
"we are to be guided by the full character of what is revealed of God in Christ.
'For, after all, if it is from Christ that we are to learn how God relates himself to sin, suffering, evil and death, it would seem that he provides us little evidence of anything other than a regal, relentless and miraculous enmity: sin he forgives, suffering he heals, evil he casts out, and death he conquers. And absolutely nowhere does Christ act as if any of these things are part of the eternal work or purposes of God..."
"the world remains divided between two kingdoms, where light and darkness, life and death grow up together and await the harvest.
"In such a world, our portion is charity and our sustenance is faith and so it will be until the end of days.
"As for comfort, when we seek it, I can imagine none greater than the happy knowledge that when I see the death of a child, I do not see the face of God but the face of his enemy".
For further reading, from the same author, I recommend "The Beauty of the Infinite", in particular the subsection (toward the end) entitled "The Consolations of Tragedy, The Terrors of Easter".
I will add, by the by, that Hart is deeply conscious of the fact that Christianity arises from a Jewish matrix; that its God - who is Holy, who creates, who loves invincibly, who makes promises and keeps them, who redeems, who raises the dead and *will* in the end both judge and restore all things - is the God of the House of Israel.
Here he is, in that section I just mentioned, 'The Consolations of Tragedy, the Terrors of Easter'. Having discussed what he calls the 'wisdom' of tragedy, arguing that "tragic wisdom is the wisdom of resignation and consent", Hart goes on to say:
"Christianity, however, feeds upon a different wisdom, a defiant, Jewish wisdom that insists upon an act of affirmation far removed from the resigned serenity of tragic consciousness: insanely, perhaps, it enjoins a love of creation that will not be reconciled to the loss of what is created but enacts a double motion, an affirmation of the goodness of what is and an expectation of action by God to rescue this wholly good creation from the violences that enslave it.
"A recognition of the true universality of suffering, of its endless particularity and the infinite gravity of its every instance (no matter how base the sufferer) is a Jewish, not an Attic, accomplishment, and it leads inevitably to a prophetic outcry, a call for a reconciliation that is also redemption, a demand for divine justice: Israel is always - and always ever more - in rebellion against the wisdom of totality".
{And I would hazard the guess that this is *precisely* why the 'Powers of this World', most notably of course Islam, are so hell-bent on trying to destroy the Jews, and why it is that the temporal resurrection of a Jewish state of Israel is such a mortal affront to so many (because the Way of the World is that once nations are 'dead' they are supposed to *stay* dead...) - dda}.
'The wisdom of Israel - expressed in the added ending to the book of Job, or in Ezekiel's vision of the valley of dry bones - lies in its growing awareness that God is the God of justice and election, and that his goodness and the goodness of creation can be affirmed only through faith in a future that overcomes all endings...It is from Israel that Christianity learns the grammar of charity, its passionate commitment to creation and its revulsion before injustice, rather than resignation before the magnitude of evil.
"Christian love erupts from the empty tomb...".
Below you will find two links to images of a set of figures that an American Christian sculptor created as a 9/11 memorial for the chapel of St Joseph the Worker, which is an adjunct of the Catholic church of St Peter, one of the three churches (St Nicholas Greek Orthodox, St Peter's, and the Anglican chapel of St Paul) that stood nearest to the WTC. St Nicholas's, the nearest, was destroyed; the others were spared.
http://www.ship-of-fools.com/mystery/2006/1193.html
http://catholicmanhattan.blogspot.com/2009/03/57-st-joseph-chapel-battery-park-city.html
They depict St Michael the Archangel, wrestling with the dragon; this figure honours law enforcement, police and the military. St Florian, patron of firefighters. St Joseph the carpenter, patron of builders. And Mary Magdalene, witness to the resurrection, bearing her jars of spices.
As such, they form a coherent response to the jihad.
Resist and defeat. Heal. Build. Affirm life; refuse to be overwhelmed or silenced by the spectacle of death.
They don't take any shame in the evil they do to infidels. They take great pride in it. To them, the golden age of Islam was the era when they conquered infidel lands - an era which was only brought to an end in 1683. Now they're trying to do it with simple demographics and intend changing our laws for Sharia when they become numerous enough in our lands.
Bernstein, the Chichester Psalms, Psalm 2 and Psalm 23 in counterpoint.
Sung by Daniel Reich, in Jerusalem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQNOCeJIC8M&feature=related
Psalm 23 was, as others have pointed out, the Psalm that in its familiar English translation was recited by Todd Beamer over the phone before he went to tackle the hijackers aboard Flight 93.
And here is Ofra Haza, singing 'Kaddish'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hQ0OkcLKuE
WhupTdue,
Thanks for that graphic. I hadn't noticed that aspect before.
I’m sorry you feel that way and that I offended, I will be praying for you.
I agree with wildjew on Psalm 46. That psalm has been called "The battle psalm of Zion". It is the psalm from which Luther derived his hymn, "A Mighty Fortress Is Our God". The theme is that the God of Jacob (=the God of Israel) is the indwelling bulwark of Jerusalem (the city of God), Who will protect her from all upheavals, such as from the other nations, which are compared to natural disasters The Lord of hosts-- (hosts of angels, warrior angels here)--- the God of Israel, will protect Jerusalem. That is, I believe, the literal historical sense, which I thought was what some people would take offense at. But, apparently, Psalm 46 has been unknown for so long, and/or only heard in a derivative sense, that an opposite meaning has caused offense.
Marian
The aptly self-styled "Crapological" wrote:
THE JEWISH WORLDVIEW
These are actual quotes from the Talmud...NOTHING in the Quran as disgusting as any of this!!
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Istanbul Chick ably refuted your inept calumnies—these *are not* Jewish texts. They are antisemitic smears—and inept ones, at that, since they are so easily disproven.
But let's assume—just for the sake of argument—that they were the real thing.
"Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
"Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old)."
Muslims all over the world are not only calling for child "marriage" on the model of the "Prophet" Muhammed, they are widely practicing it.
Muslim clerics routinely oppose any limits on child marriage in Muslim countries. One of the Ayatollah Khomeini's first acts following the Islamic revolution in Iran was to lower the marriage age for girls *to nine*. Nor was he merely being theoretical about this—he himself "married" a ten-year-old child. In his Green Book, he validates the rape of children as young *as infants*.
Where are the Rabbis calling for Israel to legalize child marriage? Where are the Jewish pedophiles citing the Talmud as justification for their abuse? They *simply do not exist*.
More:
"Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old."
This is not only vicious, it makes no sense. Does this mean that a pedophile who wants to rape a ten-year-old child is out of luck? "Darn! If only she was still nine!" sarc/off
More:
"Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there."
Is this like the advice to Muslims practicing bestiality that they must kill the poor animal immediately afterwards, and must be sure not to sell the meat *in their own village*?
That's the Ayatollah Khomeini again—too bad there is not actually any such *Jewish* ruling as this.
More:
"Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work."
"Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep."
Hmmmm—once again, these have *Muslim* parallels—Infidels are often not paid for work, because Muslims consider Kaffirs slaves. Muslims often become violent towards Infidel employees or contractors when they ask to be paid. This is especially common in parts of Dar-al-Islam such as Egypt and Pakistan. There is no such parallel with Jews.
In addition, Muslims believe that everything under the sun "belongs to Allah"—and hence to Muslims. Muslims—including street thugs in Sweden—have given this as a justification for stealing from Infidels.
As for differing penalties depending on the identity of the killer and the victim, this is what you find under Islamic Shari'ah, *not* under Jewish law.
The life of a Jew or Christian is worth less than that of a Muslim, and the life of a Hindu or Zoroastrian even less. No Muslim may be sentenced to death for killing an Infidel.
Again, there is no such comparative situation in Jewish law, nor is such practiced in Israeli courts or anywhere else by Jews.
Whereas, unequal "justice" is practiced all over the Muslim world, from Sudan to Egypt to Pakistan to Indonesia.
If such Jewish scripture existed—which it does not—Jews appear to be oddly lax in not following it—or, indeed, ever referring to it. sarc/off