In other words: Stop calling us out for not acting like friends, or we'll stop pretending to be friends.
The rhetoric from our Frenemy and Ally is escalating because Pakistan is cornered. They are reportedly intimidated by the monster they have created in backing the Haqqani network, but have also been caught out in their double game by the U.S. and have run out of excuses.
All they have left to do is to claim victim status and threaten to discard the entire alliance, such as it is. "US must not cross ‘red lines’, says FM Khar," from the Associated Press, September 24 (thanks to Sanjay):
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s foreign minister on Saturday warned the United States against sending ground troops to her country to fight an Afghan militant group that America alleges is used as a proxy by Pakistan’s top intelligence agency for attacks in neighboring Afghanistan.
The warning came as a top US military commander was in Pakistan for talks with the army chief at a time of intense strain between the two countries. The US Embassy said Gen. James Mattis, head of US Central Command, arrived in Pakistan late Friday, and that he will meet the army chief, Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani.
Ties between Islamabad and Washington are in crisis after American officials stepped up accusations that Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence was aiding insurgents in neighboring Afghanistan, including those who took part in an attack on the US Embassy last week in Kabul.
Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar said in an interview Saturday that there are red lines and rules of engagement with America, which should not be broken.
”It opens all kinds of doors and all kinds of options,” she told Pakistan’s private Aaj News TV from New York. The comment was in response to a question about the possibility of US troops coming to Pakistan.
When Pakistan is under scrutiny, it's a "blame game":
Khar, however, insisted that Pakistan’s policy was to seek a more intensive engagement with the US and that she would like to discourage any blame game.
”If many of your goals are not achieved, you do not make someone a scapegoat,” she said, addressing the US.
The US allegations have seen a strong reaction from Pakistan.
Kayani, the Pakistani army chief, said on Friday that the charges were baseless and part of a public ”blame game” detrimental to peace in Afghanistan. Other Islamabad officials urged Washington to present evidence for such a serious allegation. Khar warned the United States is risking losing an ally in the war on terror.
The row began when Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on Thursday accused the ISI agency of supporting Haqqani insurgents in planning and executing last week’s 22-hour assault on the US Embassy and a truck bombing that wounded 77 American soldiers days earlier.
Kayani said the allegations were ”very unfortunate and not based on facts.”
The claims were the most serious yet by an American official against nuclear-armed Pakistan, which Washington has given billions in civilian and military aid over the last 10 years to try to secure its cooperation inside Afghanistan and against al-Qaeda.
The Haqqani insurgent network is widely believed to be based in Pakistan’s North Waziristan tribal area along the Afghan border. The group has historical ties to Pakistani intelligence, dating back to the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s.
The relationship between the two countries has never been smooth, but it took one of its hardest hits when US commandos slipped into Pakistan on May 2 without informing the Pakistanis of their mission and killed al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in a garrison town not far from Islamabad.
The "relationship" was already damaged. The need to keep the bin Laden raid secret was a result of that, and of well substantiated fears the Pakistanis would tip bin Laden off. Finding bin Laden where the Navy SEALs did just brought that reality out into the open.
The group has historical ties to Pakistani intelligence, dating back to the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s....
And US intel also. So convenient to forget. Jalaluddin Haqqani was one of our boys under Carter and Reagan.
Darken the skies with drones around the Haqqani network in North Waziristan and bomb them night and day! Don't let them sleep, eat or sh**.
And occasionally send in elite troops to wear them down on the ground. Just don't let up!
What the chic!!
Pakistan which is known to support the Haqqani network that was responsible for the US embassy bombing, has the temerity to issue threats against America.
This is what happens when an inept Muslim appeaser occupies the White House.
Obama bombed Gaddafi who posed no threat to world peace on the false pretext on "protecting civilians," but can't seem to act decisively against Pakistan which is the global headquarters of Islamist terror.
We have a strong, sustained and proven policy of financing our enemies in Dar al-Harb, and not just in Pak. We've also invested our hard earned money in the Holy Land with Hamas and the PA, and in the Mo-Bro-Hood in Egypt. Hail, we even make such enemy investments domestically, take a look at who pays for ACORN's operations.
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The boys and girls over at State -- an egregious organization run lock, stock and barrel by Ivy League Morons -- they sit and axe the important question: are Moslems a good investment? They answer themselves with the counter intuitive thought that, yes, while it may seem like a crazy losing program rat now, in the long things will pay off nicely. The thinking must be because there is no long term cause in the Cause, because.
whoops Dar al-Islam meant to type.
The mouse whose very existence depends on us is roaring at us!!! And the morons in WH and State Dept. are shivering in fear!! LOL... what a travesty!!1
Get the hell out of Afghanistan now and cut off all aid to Pakistan and let them beg from Saudi Arabia. Even they won't give a cent!
Actually, Obama deserves full credit for ending the automatic trust that the Bush admin had on Islamabad. I can't imagine the marines going into Abbotabad under Bush/Rice: it's b'cos the GOP was gone that the US is now confronting Pakistan on its terror links.
I do agree that the Obama admin attitude towards the Pali question is totally screwed, as was its policy in Libya and Egypt. But I don't see the GOP as much better. Bachmann is the only one who shows any glimmer of hope, and we all know that her chances of beating Perry/Romney/Palin et al is zilch! So hopefully, the US will this time come down on Fuckistan like a ton of bricks.
Allies? All Lies
With "friends" like this, who needs enemies? As the pace of backstabbing from Pakistan heats up, the US needs to quickly and boldly move towards implementation of the Blackwell plan, where US and NATO forces withdraw to the non-Pashtun northern half of the country, and leave Pakistan to deal with the messy southern Pashtun half. If the crafty jihadist sugardaddy Pakistan doesn't deliver to the Pashtun people of southern half of Afghanistan, then Pakistan will be forced to suffer their wrath. Given that the Pashtuns of Southern Afghanistan have territorial claims on the Pashtun regions of Northern Pakistan, it won't be long before the Taliban guns start firing on the Pak Army, as the Pashtuns on both sides of the Afghan-Pak "border" reunify into their historic country.
And that will be the end of "Pakistan".
And of course, with the mass immigration of Pakistani Muslims into the West, particularly into Britain, these are the sorts of problems British people are now beset with:
"London mosque accused of links to 'terror' in Pakistan"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15021073
Stop the Islamization of the West. Stop the Immigration.
So why aren't we taking their nuclear weapons, their nuclear scientists out of this country?
Why are spending billions subsidizing a terrorist country that hates our guts, is armed with nukes and hid bin laden?
Isn't it cheaper to nip it in the bud and destroy Pakistan's nuclear capabilities?
And while we are at it, do the same for Iran.
Cut em off. Cut em off. Cut em off.
Talaq! Talaq! Talaq!
(Having got all personnel and moveable materiel out of Afghanistan, and withdrawn all diplomatic staff and other Americans and allied personnel out of Pakistan, obliterate Pakistan's nuke sites with enormous bunker busters. And obliterate Iran's nuke sites at the same time.
No warning. And, afterwards, silence: no explanations or apologies. (And, to be quite frank, I don't think either China or Russia would be all that unhappy about megalomaniacal Muslim sharia-pushers being deprived of nuke missile capability, even if they might formally complain in public. Unlike Mohammedans, Chinese tyrants have enough sense to *not* want a world in which their grandchildren will be born - if born at all - as nuke-poisoned mutants).
No more Pakistani Muslims - or any other kind of Muslim - permitted from that day forward to enter any part of the Western world. No more western 'aid 'in any way shape or form. Let Pakistan sink or swim in the monsoon floods that are currently sweeping through large parts of the country, just like last year ..or worse; if they need charity, they can beg from the Saudis. If an earthquake hits, same deal.
Just think what enormous amounts of money the US and other western countries will save!
Quite pleased with these developments as of late. Perhaps in the matter of a few years the United States will formally recognize Pakistan for what it is - a cabal of murderous and traitorous Muslims occupying India. Treat accordingly.
Find a way to disable Pakistan's nuclear capacity if at all possible, then cut off ties to this God-forsaken country and thereafter send in Special Forces when necessary to take out particularly bad Muslim creeps. The big uncertainty in all this is our ability to denuclearize Pakistan. Until that day, it's Pakistan's greatest leverage over us.
As I mentioned once before here at JW, I spoke to a Democratic Congressman (actually fairly sensible for a Democrat I must admit) last November and he told me straight forwardly that the great concern in Washington is Pakistan's nuclear arsenal and what might happen to it. It's the Ace Pakistan is holding and that's why, if feasible, the Ace has got to be taken away from this country that should have never come into existence in the first place.
It's all bluster. Pakistan cannot hope to fight & win a war against America and a war against India at the same time.
Pakistan is about to be eaten alive by the monsters it has allowed to live in the basement and it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch, ROTFL!
Our senate approved a $1B military aid package to Pakistan ****after**** Mullen's testimony linking Pakistan's ISI to attacks against us.
The question is WHY?
dear wellington,
you would like to "Find a way to disable Pakistan's nuclear capacity if at all possible,"...
i think dumbles' solution is brilliant!
but the truth of the matter is that there is no *perfect* solution. it is just a question of *taking* a decision and then, *act* upon this decision. whatever it may be.
todate, all we see is an endless flow of money to these bastards with no end in sight.
The relationship between the two countries has never been smooth, but it took one of its hardest hits when US commandos slipped into Pakistan on May 2 without informing the Pakistanis of their mission and killed al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in a garrison town not far from Islamabad.
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Let me fix that:
The relationship between the two countries has never been smooth, but it took one of its hardest hits when the US found that Pakistan had been hiding al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in a garrison town not far from Islamabad.
When the Taliban take over the same creeps who threaten us now will seek refuge in the west.
Did they stamp their little feet too?
I'm not sure, phoenix, that bunker-busting bombs would do the trick. They might, but I've come across assertions to the contrary, particularly where Iran is concerned, that such won't be sufficient. Unfortunately, I do not possess enough technical knowledge to know where the truth lies here (does anyone out there who posts here at JW?).
I do know that the Bush Administration sent literally hundreds of bunker-busting explosives to Israel, so perhaps that's a positive sign in all this. I also know that Obama doesn't have the guts to wipe out Pakistan's nuclear arsenal even if he could. Will take a Reagan, a Truman, a Teddy Roosevelt for something like that. Just one more reason why I fervently hope that Obama is a one-termer.
dear graven,
the way you 'fixed' the article, it lends to conclude that bin laden was indeed killed by the ill-fated and BETRAYED navy seals unit 6.....
please read these two links.
you may see things differently:
http://radiopatriot.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/the-downing-of-us-navy-seals-are-we-being-told-the-truth/
http://www.infowars.com/top-doctor-confirms-bin-laden-had-marfan-syndrome/
Wellington-
The deal for the bunker-busters was sidelined during the Bush Administration, and put through during Zero's term in 2009.
A JDAM, as powerful as it is, is no comparison to the bunker -busters delivered to Israel, but deserves a look. YouTube.
As I recall, there were a number of broadcasts made by UBL after 2001. Show me the French report cited in the second of your cites, too.
From the article:
"Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar said in an interview Saturday that there are red lines and rules of engagement with America, which should not be broken."
”It opens all kinds of doors and all kinds of options,” she told Pakistan’s private Aaj News TV from New York. The comment was in response to a question about the possibility of US troops coming to Pakistan.""
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"It opens all kinds of doors and all kinds of options".
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AGAIN!! This is a THREAT!!
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This is the Muslim mind at "work".
When caught, lash out.
When convicted of misdemeanors for conspiring to deprive a speaker (and an audience) of their 1st Amendment rights, whine all over Twitter.
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When pissed off that our intelligence services and SpecialOps "snuck" into your country and got your Poster Boy, Bin Laden, claim impingement on your State.
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The real key to the article is the mention of "American boots on the ground".
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This Minister is merely exercising a common muslim "muscle":
Whine in advance when threatened by logic that you cannot understand, nor counter.
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Predictions?
American forces get Mullah Omar pretty damned soon.Ops seize nukes. Obama flames out. GOP takes Presidency, funding is cut off, a few troops and officers remain in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan is left to its own "devices", vis a vis India.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111A.html
Looks like Figaro. Anyone know anything about the integrity of French mass media?
So? And?
So Carter and Reagan played the Muslims against the Commie Threat? So?
Obama has been played by the Muslims, not the other way around, though I hesitate to give Jimmah any credit for anything except finalizing all the details on the EPA.
Thanks for that information, David, and I stand corrected. Also, I must admit surprise at Obama delivering upon what began as a Bush initiative. Still, I have to wonder what the current thinking is of American and Israeli experts on the feasibility of doing to Iran or Pakistan what was done to Iraq at Osirak in 1981, taking into account that all sorts of precautionary measures have been implemented by Iran and Pakistan (more by Iran than Pakistan?) in light of the Israeli raid on Osirak. There's also to be considered the successful Israeli destruction a few years ago of Syria's fledgling efforts at building a nuclear capability, aided by North Korea. Well, the plot is thickening, that's for sure.
Well, I remain skeptical. First of all, people with Marfan Syndrome are a bit stranger-looking than Osama Bin Laden, whom I suspect was just an ordinary tall and lanky man. There's no agreement among the physicians that Marfan's was anything more than a possibility in the cases of both UBL and Abraham Lincoln (of whom recent writers speculated that he might have had marfan's syndrome). There's also the possibility that his own propagandists tried to make him out as suffering from some kind of serious disease to make him appear all the more heroic.
Al-Qaida spokesmen and one of Bin Laden's surviving sons also testified to his being killed at Abbottabad. Bin Laden's 2d wife Amal remarked on his killing by the Seal team at Abbottabad, while his 12-year-old daughter Safia stated that the Seals took Bin Laden alive, then shot him dead before taking him onto the helicopter.
Further, if Usama Bin Laden hadn't been killed, how come his admirers across the Arab world (including a senior Hamas leader), went into mourning?
Further, I'm starting to get prejudicially curious about Steve Pieczenik. The WIkipedia article on him cites his own autobiography, so I'd like a good look at any State Department records of his service. I note as well he's one of these people who say that 9/11 was a a USG inside job. This I suspect first last and always (along with flight 93 being shot down), since, given the number of ordinary and credible liberals rather than conspiracy-mongers who hated Bush thoroughly, I doubt that the New York Times and other MSM would ever have let the Bush administration get away with such a deed had there been any credibility in the conspiracy theories at all. Come to think of it, there are plenty of conservatives who wouldn't have let the Bush administration get away with the deed had the conspiracy theories been credible.
And, given that I'm about as fanatical a right-winger as can be, and can't think of any situation that would lead me to take a plane full of innocent passengers into a building, I'm very skeptical that the US government would find anybody willing to do the actual crashing of the airplanes into the Twin Towers. Dr. Strangelove, is, after all, fiction. As for recruiting a bunch of Muslim fanatics, I don't think any of our intelligence agencies have that many contacts inside groups that are that fanatic. Indeed, the jihadis were crowing about the deed down to three minutes after the daisy cutters started falling. After that, they started whining about Booosh and the JOOOOOOOOOOOOZ carrying out the attacks.
"All they have left to do is to claim victim status and threaten to discard the entire alliance, such as it is. "US must not cross ‘red lines’, says FM Khar,".
Another words within the Red Zones the terrorists are protected by the Pakistani government that is their safe haiven.
Actually, Wellington - I wasn't in any way trying to correct you. If my tone suggested that, I am sorry.
I don't think I could "correct" you in anything, as a matter of fact.
Have a great Sunday!
Absolutely no offense taken whatsoever, David. Actually, I'm glad you conveyed what you did. You have a great Sunday too.
For more on the Haqqani clan:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/world/asia/brutal-haqqani-clan-bedevils-united-states-in-afghanistan.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all
For the NYT, it's amazingly informative.