U.K.: "Muslims Against Crusades" burns American flag in front of U.S. embassy, breaks moment of silence with chanting over megaphone

FINALLY some muslims are protesting against the extremists. Lets see if any more carry the message forward. I think I know the answer, but time will tell.

How about burning a Pakistani flag in front of these troglodytes? Oops, shopuld have known better. That would get us locked up. It is perfectly acceptable to burn the Stars and Stripes and the Star of David in the UK, but nothing that contains a star and crescent.

Unfortunately the moderate Muslims are drowned out by the Islamists (those who push for a political and Sharia Islam). Even Dr. Zuhdi Jazzer's group is very small. It is the possibility of violence from the Islamists that drives the moderate Muslim underground who does not want any part of fascist and tyrannical Islam.

The Islamists are entrenched in the belief that the West wants to destroy Islam. That of course is not true, they only want to stop the violent jihadist Islam which is conducting wars against the non Muslim world. In many places you will not find an American or even UN Soldier,The Philippines,Nigeria,Thailand,and so many other 3rd world countries are at war with Islam every day.

This Muslim event in London, planned to insult the victims of 9/11, the American people, and the British people, had been publicized for days; but obviously such is the conniving appeasement of both the weak British Coalition government and Met police that Choudary and co could get away with this flag-burning hatred.

Instead, the Met police turned on the English Defence League which was trying to oppose the Muslims who were burning the American flag.

Supplementary report, 'Daily Mail':

100 protesters burn American flag outside U.S. embassy in London during minute's silence for 9/11

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036172/9-11-memorial-events-London-protesters-burn-American-flag-outside-US-embassy.html#ixzz1XfLSebBT

The UK and other host victim Nations should not turn their back on Constitutional CHANGE.

There is every evidence that the people of the Western societies have smelled and tasted the flavor of evil, as are found in other Religions and beliefs. Beliefs that are totally incompatible with Democracy and rational freedom.

Now, the only way they can begin to be of help to founders of Human freedom, Democracy as well as to posterity is to commence without further ado, revisions reviews and reconstruction of their Constitutions to suite the course.

LONDON: "protesters" = MUSLIM MOB, protected by British police, allowed to burn American flag at Embassy;

CAIRO: "protesters" = MUSLIM MOB, protected by Egyptian police, allowed to burn Israel flag at Embassy.

The same Islamaniacs would go on a killing frenzy, if their symbols are criticized or burnt.

People who cannot tolerate comic figures drawn of their maniacal prophet, should hardly be burning revered flags (and symbols) of others.

Imagine a protest criticizing Islam and burning the Koran during Ramadan - what protests would that draw or how many Muslim inspired deaths would that cause?

How can a whole population of people have completely wiped "introspection" off their vocabulary?

This Abdul Sallam is, of course, not a bad man, but he's still a confused one. There's no rescuing Islam because there's too much rot in it and its founder was not a good human being. Islam must go the way of Nazism and Marxism, consigned to the fringes of societies and no more. There's nothing good in Islam which can't be found in other ethical and religious belief systems and yet there is much wrong in it that can hardly be found anywhere else. Islam provides nothing good, nothing at all, which is unique and yet serves up a heap of pathologies that mankind can't profit from in any way.

In the olden times (Up to the 1990's) if an act like this was done by these creatures there would have been a mob of citizens who would have taken them to task. The Bobbys would have stood by, even helped the mob.

Now days the Bobbys are nothing more than PC Police and the creatures get away with this.

These creatures should have tried this in NYC. Broken bones would have been the kindest thing that would have happened to them.

What has not been on the political agenda today, but urgently needs to be is:

- stop Muslim immigration to the West.

"Knowing the existential threat posed by the scumbags who believe in Islam, it is vital that all Kafir nations band together in a grand Coalition of Kafir Nations to enact the following counter-Islamic measures, to ensure their cultural and national survival, against the relentless war that is being waged against them by "the foot soldiers of Allah" worldwide:

1. Declare and engage in unconditional war against Islam, wherever it may exist.

2. Declare (once and for all) that Islam is not a legitimate religion; rather, that Islam is a homophobic and intolerant 7th Century totalitarian ideology of hatred, deceit, racism, bigotry, misogyny, pedophilia, anti-semitism, slavery, terrorism, murder, rape, humiliation, control, domination, submission, and the annihilator of all Kafir cultures and nations.

3. Declare Islamic law (Sharia law) illegal and not compatible with Western democratic values.

4. Deport all Muslims, forcefully if necessary. If a Muslim has gained legal citizenship, strip them of their citizenship prior to deportation. Make them pay back all welfare payments OR confiscate their property prior to deportation.

5. Stop the legal immigration of Muslims. Stop Muslims from transiting across national borders into Kafir nations for any reason. e.g. tourism, work, visitation, etc.

6. Stop the building of new mosques and systematically dismantle all existing mosques. Build a Christian church over the top of the location where the Mosque used to stand as a symbol of victory and dominance over Islam.

7. Formally, re-educate the general populations to the truth about Islam, not the sugar-coated and whitewashed Islamic propaganda that permeates existing educational systems. e.g. that Islam is a "religion of peace that has been hijacked by a few radicals from within.""

8. As each Muslim is being deported, kick them in the ass and tell them to "have a nice day!"

Video report on Muslims Against Crusades flag burning protest here: http://durotrigan.blogspot.com/2011/09/loud-bearded-and-mac-muslims-against.html

U.K.: "Muslims Against Crusades" burns American flag in front of U.S. embassy, breaks moment of silence with chanting over megaphone
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Appalling—but hardly surprising.

For them to *interrupt the moment of silence for the victims of 9/11—murdered by their own savage coreligionists—speaks volumes about the kind of thugs they are.

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One said: "You will always face suffering, you will always face humiliation, unless you withdraw your troops from Muslim lands."
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What "Muslim lands" were we present in *prior* to 9/11? We had had a small presence in Saudi Arabia—not out of any "imperialist" urge, but to protect that regime, *at their own request*, from the depredations of Saddam Hussien.

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Another declared that America had been "defeated in Iraq and defeated in Afghanistan".
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Our attempts at "nation building"—of creating a democratic silk purse out of those Shari'ah ridden sow's ears, have indeed been a failure. They have also been a defeat for any chance at decent regimes in the region, as well.

Of course, that is the *last thing* barbarians such as "Muslims Against Crusades" would like to see.

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Members of the group publicly burned a poppy on Armistice Day in a similar stunt.
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I suppose saving Europe from the aggression of "The Hun" offended these good Muslims, as well...or they just were offended at Infidels remembering the steadfastness and courage of their own people.

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However, a small opposing group of Muslims - some of whom had travelled hundreds of miles to rebut the extremists - staged a counter-demonstration nearby, holding up placards reading "Muslims Against Extremism" and "If You Want Sharia, Move To Saudi".

Abdul Sallam, 41, who was waving a sign that read "Keep The Silence", travelled down to London from his home in Glasgow to show the strength of his feelings.

He said: "I'm a Muslim. What they're doing is bringing shame on all Muslims. This is not part of the teachings of Islam.
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Abdul Sallam, of course, *is wrong*. Still, I will assume this is not mere Taqiyya, and that Sallam is sincere. He is then, as Bosch Fawstin says, "better than his religion".

I wish more Muslims were.

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"Islam teaches you that when you see anything bad or evil, you should speak out against it.
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Unfortunately, Sallam's coreligionists in "Muslims Against Crusades" believe this is just what they are doing by disrupting the remembrance of the Kaffir.

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"If the moderate Muslims all came out and spoke out, that would defeat them.

"I am proud to be British. I love my country. All these people are doing is breaking Britain apart."
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True enough. I hope we see more counter-demonstrations like this. If Sallam and his fellows are sincere, I embrace them. Unfortunately, they do not have a doctrinal leg to stand on, unlike the thugs drowning out the moment of silence.

The true Muslim has right!

The word of the coward sadist Allah:

5:33 "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;"

By the way, ALL non-Muslim countries are Dar al-Harb "The House of WAR"

http://newstime.co.nz/muslims-clash-during-military-parade-in-barking-15-june-2010.html

In a twisted sort of way, this is a good thing.

Let the world see these hateful people saying what they say and doing what they do.

Let the world see Islam for what it truly is: an oppressive, intolerant, totalitarian ideology that stands against freedom and demands that the entire world submit to its rule.

UK Muslim Hate Fest Burning Poppy on Remembrance Day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAASnZRIBbQ

MAC - Muslim Against Crusades:

"British troops go to Hell!"
"British soldiers murderers"
"British soldiers terrorists"

“I (Pedo Muh. 65:4) have been made victorious with terror”
Bukhari Vol. 4, Book 52, #220

8:12 “I (Allah) will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers (beheading & finger amputating them)”

8:60 “…to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah” (i.e. “Unbelievers” 8:59)

And the English pussies LET THEM DO IT. But I saw pictures in the Daily Mail that showed EDL members being forced to sit down and shut up by the stupid dhimmi cops there. Burn a filthy unholy koran outside a mosque and see what happens, but those mohamadeen motherfuckers can kill us and mock us and pour salt in our wounds even as they promise to do more harm and we bend over even further to prostrate ourselves for their bloody death cult. I am so sick of this.

Lots of disgust from Europeans but their opinion doesn't seems to matter - they are not in control. Europe needs a revolution!

http://www.youtube.com/patcondell#p/a/u/1/s3u9LB32YYM

BTW European elites are busy giving away loads of other people's money (as if the other people had too much of it)
to the Arabs. Nice timing.

G8 pledges $38bn to Arab states as IMF recognises Libya
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14866198

Here's video of those disgraceful asslifters today in Londonistan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTdOuqmdrkE

Humiliation of the kuffar is very important in Islam: http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/honor-shame-culture-and-humiliation-in.html

Gotta wonder how many of those protesters are living off the government dole?

Not a bad gig is it? Insult your Western hosts while living off the hard work of the taxpayer.

That thing in the middle of the photo with the black hoodie on holding a flag really ought to re-think its decision to go out in public braless.

Why is the huge majority of peaceful Muslims always out numbered by the tiny, tiny, miniscule really, minority of Muslims who want to cause trouble?

And I don't believe the lone crusader with the Keep the Silence sign. I'm sorry but, if he's a Muslim, he has no clue about fighting the infidel. Unless, he's practising takiya!

Mohamed poisoned relations between his followers and folks who are not barbarians.

This video was hideous to watch. These Followers of Muhammed are totally abject.

What gave hope was the the EDL who looked very motivated to counter the fundamental Submissionists.

As for the nominal Followers of Mohammed, what took you so long? Perhaps you need more decades of practice to fill your protests with something substantive. I see the last decade was lost to you.

Abdul Sallam:
"I'm a Muslim. What they're doing is bringing shame on all Muslims. This is not part of the teachings of Islam.
"Islam teaches you that when you see anything bad or evil, you should speak out against it.

Yes, he seems a good man. And I suppose he can prefer a good Kafir over a bad Muslim, just as I can prefer a good Muslim over a bad Kafir.

But it is my dream that distinction is made between 2 ways to organise societies; Islam and the full Democratic system. That at least a group citizens in Democratic Nations declare that the Islamic ideology as it stands is either A. downright anti-democratic and theocratic in nature. or B. so much vaque, ambiguous, incomplete that is understood by hundreds of millions of its followers as such.

It is my hope that the counterjihadists eventually can convince a democratic majority that Islam-as-it-now-stands, default-Islam, from the perspective of full democracy, should be seen as illegal, criminal, in democratic nations.

But with the way out for Muslims readily available; To join Zuhdi Jasser's group, but on condition of this group having a clear democracy-compatible doctrine and enforceable democracy-compatible conditions on membership of it.

Because, democracyloyalists can argue; In Islam Democratic laws and principles are also illegal, criminal, and Choudary's group, MAC, confirms their own clearly anti-democratic stance. And we can, with respect, have these 2 sort of nations in the world, Islamic and Democratic ones.

But in the Democratic ones, belonging to default-Islam should in future be considered belonging to an illegal, criminal organisation. Because it is criminally vague at best or it has very anti-democratic laws and principles at worst. In respect to democratic laws then, it is criminal.

And it's most un-democratic rule is death-penalty for apostasy. But that makes it possible to charge Muslims in Democratic Nations with membership of a worldwide organisation that also harbors the biggest oppressors, terrorists, criminals and lunatics. It is for Muslims impossible to weed them out of their organisation.

But staying in this organisation should be considered criminal, when a democratic Islamic organisation is offered them to which they can ascribe to as a way to remain citizen of a democratic nation. But this time with clear doctrine and membership-conditions.

I realize that Muslims will refuse to take that secession-step from the other Muslims, but that is not the point. The point is that their defenders among citizens can be shown that they are given a reasonable way out.

And that perhaps a majority finally can be found to endorse laws to ban immigration from all default-Muslims. After all, all the time defenders of Muslims and Islam have been saying that they present no real problem for the Democratic system. So when we give Muslims the way out in the form a democracy-compatible Islamic organisation, and they refuse, my hope is that many citizens will see the bluff and lies or perhaps the great confusion of the Muslims.

Isn't it so odd that we don't see millions of Devout Christians flocking into islamic based Nations to then go on Welfare and be a 'Ward Of The State' and end up shaming their God .
I could never shun me dignity to fly to Israel and demand a Refugee-Status to only become a Parasite and get a Welfare cheque every month while knowing that it's the hard-working jews and others funding my pathetic self-pity and self-hatred to embrace the life of depending of the State.

But what was I thinking.....these devout followers of a Misogynistic/Homophobic/Pedophile have no shame and love to pour into non-Islamic Nations to get the Freedoms and Liberties that allow them to sponge of others as they go to Protests to condemn the same Nation that give them a WELFARE Cheque to be Pathetic and show the true ugly face of Militant/Radical islam .
Kinda reminds me of the Planet Of The Apes 2 from the 1960's , the Simians(Apes) worshipped their simiam god and in the end they launch a Nuclear rocket to wipe out all life forms to be with the Simian god in Paradise and then the Ape-God would rebuild Earth as a Ape-Only hell-hole with peace and justice for all.
The Apes feared that the Human Astronauts would breed with the native female Human-Slave and show the other Apes that they were NOT the Super-Race menat to rule the Earth. We just need Heston to pund his fist on the shores of New York and tell Imam Rauf .."Damn you,damn you aaall to HELLLLL".

BTW
CAIR-canada DOES boast about islam being the fastest growing faith in canada and that the population is growing from Refugees from islamic nations or just the Immigration.
So if CAIR declares that Muslims hate their homeland and Shariah Law in their old hell-holes, then it confirms that the West is where they Choose to live to escape the violence and suicide-bombings where 90% of the global terrorism kills other Muslims .

I am very respectful of the courage of the counter demonstrators and appreciative of their efforts. It would be nice of JW readers in the UK could reach out to them and join forces, while developing further joint understandings?

Best wishes, TS

demsci. What do you think about the life of Mohammad? And what do you think about the Jews? If you are ready to renounce Mohammad and love the Jews as fellow human beings then why don't you renounce Islam altogether?

Oh I meant to direct that at Abdul Sallam. Sorry.

What was needed was a bunch of folks who know how to sing this, from G K Chesterton (tune, King's Lynn).
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And once the silence was over they could have belted it out and made the Muslims look even uglier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUaYiRdfRWE

(Ignore the visuals with this clip, it's just the end of somebody's graduation ceremony, but the rendition of the hymn is pretty good).

Here are the words

"O God of earth and altar,
bow down and hear our cry,
our earthly rulers falter,
our people drift and die;
the walls of gold entomb us,
the swords of scorn divide,
take not thy thunder from us,
but take away our pride.

From all that terror teaches,
from lies of tongue and pen,
from all the easy speeches
that comfort cruel men,
from sale and profanation
of honor, and the sword,
from sleep and from damnation,
deliver us, good Lord!

Tie in a living tether
the prince and priest and thrall,
bind all our lives together,
smite us and save us all;
in ire and exultation
aflame with faith, and free,
lift up a living nation,
a single sword to thee."

We assume muslims have some concept of dignity.
I don't think they have any idea what dignity,pride or respect is.Their brutality and ignorance barely registers on the human scale.The idea of responsibility is a foreign concept to them.And they equate love with rape,murdering your own children or forced marriage.
They seem more like a parasitic ,unevolved branch of homo sapien sapien than actual human beings.

Too bad political leaders are cowering behind their desks and whispering the word terrorist to each other instead of dealing with the issue.

The UK needs to round up every Muslim on their island and deport them all to Saudi Arabia. Problem solved.

And these guys, demanding we remove our troops from their lands -- on whose land are they standing?

Why don't they set a good example and leave our lands?

I was somewhat relieved to see some Muslims protesting these disgusting hypocrites, but -- I am sorely afraid that they would lose in any Qu'ran-quoting contest with the MAC.

And a contest of physical intimidation? I think the jihadis take that one hands down.

Of course, Ahmadinejad's Islamic 'PRESS TV' state broadcaster was very politically active and subversive on the streets of London with Choudary, next to the Americal Embassy in London on 9/11.

So politically spineless in the British Coalition government that its allow Iran's 'PRESS TV' to broadcast propaganda from London studios (in Ealing) on the SKY satellite, 24/7. At the same time Iran BANS western broadcasters (e.g. BBC) from making political propaganda broadcasts from inside Iran.

Clearly, Iran does not accept 'mutuality' in relations between states, so 'PRESS TV' must be banned in the West.

'PRESS TV's subversion can be seen in this (5 min) video clip; the politics of the video clip can be divided into 2 parts:

1.) first 3 mins of so, showing anti-American, anti-British anti-9/11 victims' propaganda via loudspeaker;

2.) showing London Met police denying rights of English people to show their respects to 9/11 victims.

No doubt with later Iranian 'PRESS TV' political propaganda commentary added this will be used globally against the West:

'PRESS TV' propaganda easily made in London:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9mgZkOOh4o&feature=player_embedded

It takes courage to leave Islam.
According to an Afghan convert to Christianity I know, many Muslims here (Australia)are calling themselves "secular Muslims" and he has even heard one of them mocking Mohammed. But actually dropping Islam altogether is too hard for them.
So far, anyway.
Let us encourage people like Abdul Sallam to think even harder about his choices. If he has the wherewithall to come out and publically oppose Islamothugs such as those flag-burners, maybe his "life journey" will lead him to make the bravest, most sensible choice of all: discarding his residual loyalty to the awful man he grew up believing was "perfect".
He will find himself in good company if he does.

OT:

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/57215/manila-city-hall-urges-muslim-christian-unity

“We are suggesting to Division of City Schools Superintendent Ponciano Menguito that a subject be introduced in high school so that students will know our historical background involving the Muslims,” he said in a recent press statement.

soon not only the university of the philippines, the no. 1 university in the country have a islamic studies in their campus, but also all the high school students will be force to attend islamic classes using the taxpayer money, its just a matter of time before sharia law is introduce here in manila

Members of the EDL where forced away from the event while MAC was given a police escort. Some of the EDL went to a pub around the corner and the Muslims followed them into the pub stabbed two EDL members, wrecked the pub and then after being forced out surrounded the place all while the police did nothing. The media reported that the EDL was rampaging in the streets.

Nice to see that a handful of muslims turned out to counter protest. Of course, Abdul is wrong, this is part of the teachings of Islam but at least there are a few muslims out there willing to condemn the terrorists. Not so nice to see the cowardice of the British authorities that are letting their country go down the path to hell. Churchill is spinning in his grave.

Here is my tribute to the tenth anniversary of 9/11:

ALWAYS REMEMBER

NEVER SUBMIT

http://s478.photobucket.com/albums/rr144/gravenimageartist/?action=view¤t=AlwaysRemember.jpg

Any comments are much appreciated.

What brave fellows! They think that shouting a few slogans through bullhorns and burning a flag, all the while protected by the kaffir police, amount to doing something for Islam. Why aren't they in Afghanistan actually facing the guns of their enemies, instead of cowering in London?

Incidentally, either the hooded goof in the middle is one really huge dude, or else the rest of the gang are all a bunch of runts. Probably the latter, due to all the inbreeding.

randy, the American Indian tribes killed and enslaved more of each other more than did any European group; "Christians" were among their victims, also. The "native population" did not have the power to "kick" anyone out.

The North American tribes never made a wheel (the Hittites had bas-reliefs of wheels in circa 3500 B.C.). They came over on a land bridge, we came over on ships. We gave them horses and guns, and that smallpox thing was a lie.

There were two sides to the clash of cultures, do some research and get off your hate kick.

I like to say hallo to everyone here in this day of 9/11…remembering is good because forgetting is not an option ….forgetting that of day of violence and destruction, means relaxing the wall we have built…..the knowledge of Islam that has been exposed to every one ..what ever small it might be, but still is a good beginning .

I still encounter American people who are still ,THINK the Moderates are the real Muslims and they fallow the real Islam and the real Quran.

They do not know that the only real Muslims are the same kind OF Muslims who carried out and still trying to carried out the destruction of the most hated Americans and all other free nations .
They do know that the so called moderates, are nothing but clueless Muslims who WANT TO STAY clueless and happy to do it because the alternative is unspeakable to the mind of a Muslim …the alternative is APOSTASY ……IT IS WORSE THEN DEATH IT SELF TO THEM ….believe me …IT IS NOT EASY…
Let them burn the American flag ….they only showing their true Muslim colors…we know we can survive and win …sharia will never BE.

So we fought WW II to save England and this is the thanks we get?

Tear a page out of the malignant Koran and burn Sura 9:11.

Kai

Can you list the Surahs and the Number of Ayas that MAKE muslim WOMEN EQUAL to muslim men ????

fineliving56, be careful, kai could be false flagging, trying to find you. That last comment is suspicious.

Kai

Yes I am an arab and Quran was stuffed down my throat all my child hood I memorized all and tested on and I had to pass tests to graduated from high school .

we were not, to ask any questions and Quran tells you not too, Of course of fear of exposer.

I am an artist who was born to draw faces …I was prevented from doing that because Islam forbidden from drawing Humans from The Order of Muhammad

I did what they told me ,,,but that did not last long because I expressed my feelings …

the only time I knew how bad Quran is, when I read it AS A CRITIC NOT gaga eyes muslim idiot …..

kai

Islam ma huwa illa iktera Muhammad wa al Kulafah …amalu haza hattah yahsaloo ala al nisah,al mal , al kuwwa

Islam is nothing but an invention of Muhammad and his Clan and did that to control women,have more money and have more power.

Read for your self and do not have to believe me I do not care …really but do not let any one make a fool out of you.

peace

Although the jihadists didn't manage any attacks on the 10th anniversary of 9/11, thanks to the vigilance the security agencies, we can expect they'll try again in the run up to Christmas. Muslims hate Christmas.

Oh BTW

Kai

The worst thing IS THE INHERITANCE rule in Islam

Muslim women are just toys to do what ever they like to do with …you must not much experience …
women have been divorced with little money coming from husbands add to that she gets half of her inheritance AND SHE HAS TO GIVE UP HER KIDS AFTER 6 YEARS OLD when divorce ….on top of all that she has to LIVE WITH HER FAMILY because she no mater how old she is , she still belong to A MAN until death….she never belonged to her self

how do like it kai …..if Quran gave permission for women to marry another husband on top of you ….would you like to be asked first and then she could marry….Wow

how do you like if you were treated like if you were a women …thank your Allah you born a man because you could have the cake and EAT IT TOO
GIVE ME A BRAKE
??

Nice stuff, fineliving56. I know most, but I've learned a bit too, a lot from a 1st person glimpse into the life of an arab woman and mother. Even as a man in America, I well can imagine you've had your fill of the one sided male centric, view of life.

Not all, but many of us male Americans, have grown up to consider well, the woman's point of view, more or less, equally, and with some men, the woman wears the pants, and that is not always a bad thing, actually. There are some capable women around, quite, too.

Much as a portion of American males do want a little of the machismo male stuff, mostly, they behave quite civil, with women, as you may assume, especially when married, and in love, and with good ethics and morals, quite totally differently from the classic pious islam male

Kai

you do not have to agree …proof to me that the word beat lightly was said in 4/34

if not ….you are wasting my time …you teacher is a liar …get him to prove it

Go poke your wives MR

I am a child of beaten Muslim wife enough to send her to hospital …women are beating all the time with no protection from your merciful Allah

were was he when my mother was dragged from her hair all over the house!!!!????were was his was his light stick ??/!!!!!
you no batter than any Muslim beater because you condone it …you should absolutely denounce beating wives …lightly or other wise if you are a good humen being
I am done.

British 'security': its indulgent attitude towards Islamic jihadists:

"Al-Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki 'radicalised in London'"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14867390

fineliving56, maybe we've lived too long in Freedom in the West, but I and others in this forum, cannot imagine, giving up brain control, to others such as so called scholars, and the loyalty thing, the non questioning thing, and the muslim mindset, that will never really understand the West. We question and test anyones statements, always, and examine such, test for logic or truth or accuracy. Believe nothing unless corroborated, with own eyes, and ears. We examine and question content of Bibles and teachings, and smart college people are told to question the sources and motivations, of people, and everything.

We believe in fairness, love and decency, and goodness. Generally that seems so whether one is secular or religious, in America, and pretty much in the Western society, I think.

But neither are we a bunch of suckers, that will permit being taken advantage of any of us who may be nice to others. Particularly over time. Take advantage of me once maybe, but twice, look out, is somewhat our thinking, sometimes. Sometimes take no advantage is more accurate. We tend to temper things, usually. To grade them if you will, important things get no tolerence, lesser things get some slack cut, sometimes.

Not so in muslim ideology cult. And the word cult applies commonly here, when one is never permitted to quit the group, on pain of authorized death; nor to question it or its principles; encouraged and authorized to lie; required to avoid all others but the members or believers, as friends or acquaintences; to demand or authorize killing/murder, for other than self-defense, etc., all so in muuslim case.

Islam should be officially reclassified as a cult and declassified as a religion. It is a barbaric, brutal movement that has fascist tendencies all sanctioned by the their instruction manual which cannot be changed or diluted in anyway.Islam will therefore always be what it is today, a violent anti-Jew, anti-Christian, anti-West organisation which encourages madmen to commit aggressive acts against non-believers and apostates.

When describing acts of terrorism in the media, it should be compulsory to say 'Islamic' before terrorism. Bombings by the IRA were always described as 'IRA terrorism'. The BBC in particular has lead the way in endeavouring to disassociate Islam and Muslims from terrorism. By reinstating Islamic before terrorism it will confirm what the public are beginning to suspect - that Islam is the root cause of worldwide jihad.

"you were muslim so you understand that i cant question anything about quran"

Translate: I am in fear for my life if I go against Islam so I will lie to myself and others and say that Islam is good.

"i can not read the quran as a critic im not allowed to, my mind wont allow it"

Wow! What an admission of complete and total mind control. What an admission of intimidation creating utter slavery and no will to fight back. No wonder Muslim men have such a big button on shame.

"end of the day if islam is right or wrong does not matter
the main thing that was taught to me was loyalty to islam"

No critical thinking. No mind expansion. No thinking outside the box. No wonder the Arab/Muslim world has to feed off other cultures and countries like a parasite. Once they suck it dry, like they are doing in England this very day, they get on their high horses and ride off to take over another country so that they can feed off of that one, leaving the last one an empty shell full of barbarians that aren't allowed to think.

No wonder Muslim men treat their women so abominably. On one hand they are told that they may beat their wives, starve any women family members that they might BE CONCERNED have committed some sort of sexual infraction and they may even kill their daughters, sisters, etc. with impunity because the Qu'ran allows it. On the other hand they are told they may not think on their own, that they are not allowed to question anything in the Qu'ran, that they may be punished, even killed if they do. No wonder there are so many misogynists, pedophiles, rapists and murderers in Islam. Like a little child who is raped when very small and threatened that if they tell anyone they will be killed, they have been abused and they grow up with rage and become the abuser, and they take that rage out on the one thing in Islam that is fair game, their women.

OH-MY-GOSH, Kai, you just inadvertently explained what the real core problem with Islam is. You are neutered and rendered impotent by the mind control and by making the decision to surrender rather than fight against an ideology that destroys not only your mind but your soul as well. And instead of fighting against this ideology that really doesn't serve you, you take the coward's way out and take out your rage (that you are being cheated out of your life and your true destiny) by severely abusing the weakest among your society, i.e., women and children.

I have loathed the cowardly Muslim male mind for a long time, now. Now, I truly understand why I find this way of thinking so repulsive, because it is rather NON-THINKING, in it's most miserable and pathetic form, and a clever woman with a mind and a weapon (my favorite is a Ruger SR9c) to protect herself from barbarians can beat you at your game any day of the week.

Perhaps now we have a glimpse of why Muslim males are so afraid of the woman who thinks for herself. No wonder you guys can't take the shame. She will show you up for the cowards you are, every-single-time.

Mackie wrote: “Unfortunately the moderate Muslims are drowned out by the Islamists (those who push for a political and Sharia Islam). Even Dr. Zuhdi Jazzer's group is very small.”

Zuhdi Jazzer’s group “means well” but is somewhat pathetic. One can’t credibly protest the actions of fellow religionists if one subscribes to the same doctrine as the “extremists.” The “extremists” are merely more consistent in implementing the doctrine. A “moderate Muslim” is a contradiction in terms, just as a “moderate Nazi” or “moderate communist”” is a contradiction in terms. Historically, “moderate” Nazis and communists were eventually killed or incarcerated by the “extremists, or are the murderous Party purges of both ideologies figments of my imagination?

The Telegraph article reported: “Abdul Sallam, 41, who was waving a sign that read "Keep The Silence", travelled down to London from his home in Glasgow to show the strength of his feelings. He said: ‘I'm a Muslim. What they're doing is bringing shame on all Muslims. This is not part of the teachings of Islam. ‘Islam teaches you that when you see anything bad or evil, you should speak out against it.’”

Islam and the Koran are packed with so many contradictions they’d fill a warehouse of Cheerio cereal boxes. What’s Mohammad’s definition of “bad or evil”? Making war against Jews and infidels and unbelievers IS in the teachings of Islam. So Mohammad’s word on what’s good or evil must be taken with several grains of salt. This is Al Capone lecturing from a pulpit.

Islam cannot be reformed without stripping the Koran and Hadith of all their violent verses. What would be left would not be Islam, but a cult as pacific as that of the Amish. And it can no more be “reformed” than Christianity can be reformed by stripping the Bible of its violent verses (Matthew and Luke were especially hard-nosed when it came to the “weeping and gnashing of teeth” of those who did not submit to Christianity and accept God’s authority) and of all its appeals to altruism and sacrifice. To believe – and I mean the literal meaning of that term, to accept something as true without a shred of evidence – that Islam can be “reformed” and made “moderate” is delusional and self-defeating. One can't subscribe to a totalitarian ideology in religious garb and oppose it, too.

The British police escort the MAC to their place of flag burning whilst the EDL are arrested. The reason they treat the Muslims with kid gloves is because they are terrified of them. The British police are pussies when they are confronted by Muslims. Watch this video of them being chased away by the Muslims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nqxP2bpF7I

I ended my last comment with: "One can't subscribe to a totalitarian ideology in religious garb and oppose it, too."

It must be repudiated root and branch. But, how? By what means? By reason. By accepting the fact that existence exists, and nothing else. No ghosts, no goblins; no supreme or supernatural beings, no Satans. And one reason why the West is losing the war with Islam is that it is following a policy prescribed by the Christian ethics of turning the other cheek and being “kind” to our dedicated enemy, of “judging not, lest we be judged.” And judged by whom? By our enemy, who wishes to defeat us and subject us to the dictates of a barbarous religion as “revealed” by a murderous brigand, rapist, and pedophile. We oppose Allah with God, and while Islam’s supreme deity is a consistent, whim-worshipping monster, the Judeo-Christian God is a schizophrenic mess, terrible and psychotic in the Old Testament, namby-pamby in the New.

What was it that Ellsworth Toohey said in Ayn Rand’s “The Fountainhead” when he was describing the state of the world in 1943? “Oppose the doctrine that slaughters the individual with the doctrine that slaughters the individual.” Islam is not going to be defeated by conceding that there is no rational argument that can be taken against it, that only another species of fathomless faith can oppose another species of fathomless faith.

Those bastards who burned our flag then went on to rampage and they stabbed two members of the EDL. Religion of pieces.

If you can stand it without bashing your TV or computer screen, watch this, which is a video from London of how Muslims have freedom of speech but anyone opposing their hubristic claim to victory is told to "move on" and be quiet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9mgZkOOh4o&feature=player_embedded

This is why we're losing the war against Islam.

I just wanted to say Choudary & his male friends are really,really ugly looking people,those tea towells on their heads are not a good look. I can almost smell these camel jockey's body odour from here as well, you know it's going to be bad,no woman is going to go within 100 feet of these so called men. I reckon they pleasure each other nightly too, which is allowed in Islam if you are on top I think?
Muslims against Crusades have their own web site, I encourage everyone to email them a few opinions. I also consider them traitors to Islam because they are living in kafir land, that's a good one to email them as well.

"Grosvenor Square - 10 years on."

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/37786

While British state deals harshly with patriotic English Defence League, and imprisons its leader, the British state indulges Muslim fanatics who wreck 9/11 remembrance outside American Embassy in London:

"Poppy Burning Is The Least Of It: What Is That Black Flag They Were Waving?"

http://englishdefenceleague.org/black-flag-of-jihad-flys-in-london-again/

On behalf of the British people, may I apologise to all true Americans and especially those who lost loved ones on 9/11, for the way our police allowed those muslim scum to desecrate a moment of silence . How much longer we British will put up with those filthy scum, I don't know. Left to most us they would be kicked out of the country RIGHT NOW. Our spineless government is totally useless and does not appreciate that we are in a war.

God bless America.

Signed : Michael Warden, member British National Party.

And, wherever they decide to demonstrate their "superiority" in the tolerant environment of the West, what is there to prevent them from assuming this deliberately obnoxious posture. Any attempt at retaliation plays right into their hands. Accusations of assault, Islamophobia, "racism," etc. and threats of law suits by their dedicated enablers, CAIR especially, are sure to follow.

"[E]liminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands..." It's a solid, entrenched tactic they've used countless times around the world and unless and until the West finds a way to severely punish this type of activity it will continue, unabated. The dilemma is the West's most cherished of freedoms, the freedom of speech.

It would help, greatly, if the West stopped bending over and spreading its cheeks in a dismal, fruitless attempt to appease these Muslim bastards. Yeah! Muslim bastards! If the West is to continue its cherished freedom of speech, which it undoubtedly should, it had better be made to work both ways. Perhaps a gross dose of their own medicine would help them see that we really don't give a s__t what they think or say about us. Perhaps even a healthy reminder that they can say anything they like in return for which they can happily be deported and all the best to them in their native squalor where their freedom to speak is severely limited and subject to rather severe and painful penalties.

Well! I can dream can't I?

Thank you for your concern …I am being careful I stopped all verbal confrontation with Muslims around me …I found it Mute …

Ostriches heads in the sandy land of Islam.

I might have lost the battle but we will win the war.
I told My son to post his Article here too …he agreed he should but he warned it is going to be long …I told him to posts his other 2 or 3 posts that he has @ IW and post In JW.

Kai, seems a good humen how's mind has been imprisoned and became impotent to think of him self .

I hop he take our advise AND READ QURAN FROM TRANSLATIONS ON HIS OWN…if he does …