Even Baroness Warsi has acknowledged that fear expressed as "cultural sensitivity" has prevented authorities from going after offenders and stopping the various ruses by which men bring in additional wives from overseas.
Islamic law allows a man up to four wives. But British law does not. It would be bad enough if Muslims in Britain were undertaking this illegal practice and showing such disrespect for the rule of British law on their own dime, but polygamy is in fact dependent on the welfare system, as this report demonstrates. How else would the "pizza delivery driver" below fund multiple wives and families?
Meanwhile, many British families who play by the rules struggle to afford to support one or two children with what is left after taxes.
Britain is funding its own collapse by subsidizing a supremacist demographic conquest by people with no intention of putting back into the system what they take out. This state of affairs is all the more outrageous in the midst of a spiraling, debt-driven global economic crisis.
"The truth about polygamy: A special investigation into how Muslim men can exploit the benefits system," by Sue Reid for the Daily Mail, September 24:
Ghulam is a taxi driver who lives in Blackburn, a once-booming textile town in Lancashire. He has a terrace house near his local mosque (one of 53 in the area), a silver Nissan car and a very complex private life.
For he has so many children that he struggles to remember their names, and five wives from various countries, including Yemen, Egypt, Turkey and his own birthplace, Pakistan.
Ghulam’s latest bride is a shy 20-year-old called Hafeza. He brought her to Britain from Morocco, soon after his 45th birthday earlier this year. They married in an Islamic wedding ceremony called ‘the Nikah’ in her village, with Hafeza’s pleased parents among the guests.
Thirty miles across the Pennines in Yorkshire, pizza delivery driver Wasim, 27, has an equally complicated domestic life.
He lives in a part of Dewsbury called Savile Town, a network of 11 terrace streets dominated by one of the biggest mosques in Europe, where most residents are Asian with origins in Pakistan or India.
Wasim has three wives, the first of whom lives with him and their three teenage sons. His other two wives have separate houses in Savile Town, one down the road and another round the corner. He visits each two nights a week.
The women have had several of Wasim’s children and he hopes the youngest bride (aged 19) will soon present him with another baby.
I learned of Ghulam and Wasim this week while investigating a subject that is taboo in politically correct Britain. It is the huge rise of bigamy (having two wives) and polygamy (more than two) in our Muslim communities.
The issue was recently bravely highlighted by Baroness Flather, a crossbench life peer who was herself born in Lahore, now part of Pakistan.
She warned the Lords (and also wrote an article for the Mail on the subject) about how our shambolic benefits system is being exploited by men hailing from Pakistan and other Muslim nations who indulge in multiple marriages — with taxpayers forced to foot the bill.
As Baroness Flather explained: ‘The wives are regarded by the welfare system as single mothers, and are therefore entitled to a full range of lone parent payments.
'As a result, several “families” fathered by the same man can all claim benefits, as they are provided for by the welfare state, which treats them as if they were not related,’
Lady Flather also lamented the reluctance of politicians to address the issue: ‘It is certainly difficult to discuss this phenomenon of serial marriage and exploitation of the benefits system, with few people in Britain seeming to want to confront the disturbing truth.’
Two years ago, another peer, Baroness Warsi, born in Dewsbury to Pakistani parents, and now a Coalition Cabinet Minister, also voiced her concerns. She said cultural sensitivity was stopping politicians addressing the problem.
Yet this week I found those — from within the heart of the Asian communities — who were prepared to speak out.
Although the Government says there are only 1,000 such bigamous or polygamous unions in the UK, two experienced Lancashire social workers — one of Indian-English heritage and the other with Pakistani origins — told me that, although it’s difficult to be precise, in their estimation the figure is closer to 20,000.
The social workers said the multiple marriages are encouraged by a welfare system which allows a second, third or fourth wife to be treated as a single mother who gets a house and an array of other state payments for herself and her children.
Controversially, it means that a man can take a new spouse (from anywhere in the world), sire any number of children with her, and yet have no responsibility for this family’s upkeep or care.
To avoid breaking Britain’s matrimony laws, the men marry their extra ‘wives’ in an Islamic Nikah ceremony, either in their own homes or a mosque. [...]
While it has long been a cliche for men to complain that their wives and children take up most of their income, the reality for polygamous husbands is that the more babies he sires, the more money pours in for him and his wives.
As Tariq Ali, the 45-year-old co-founder of Project BME (Black Minority Ethnics), a charity based in Darwen, Lancashire, admits: ‘There are thousands of bigamous and polygamous marriages in the UK’s Pakistani community — the same community into which I was born.
'Every single man of my age who I bump into seems to have a third, fourth or fifth wife.
‘The issue is going unreported but in the Asian communities this is becoming a way of life. I think the number of polygamous relationships must be 20,000.
‘The men find second wives in the UK as well as any Muslim country abroad. The new favourite places to find women are Turkey and Morocco, because the men can drive there by car to meet them and bring them back.’ [...]
‘What’s more, they are virgins — which the men like. But it means British laws are being abused, and something should be done by the Government. A first step would be the registration of Nikah weddings in this country at least.’ This would prevent many bigamous marriages....
They have a term for welfare now they call it Jazia, collected from non Muslims.
FYI, when found in a UK "news" (ahem) story the word "Asian" means MUSLIM a word which because of NewSpeak restrictions somehow just can't be spit out by UK propagandists (who sometimes consider themselves "journalists). This is of a similar construct found in French papers. There, when the word "youth" is used, it is simple code for MUSLIM.
Asian people come from Japan, China, Korea, Taiwan and so forth. Who comes from Pakistan (translated as, get this, the Land of the Pure!) are MUSLIMS. You know the ones, the violent, thieving kind. As if there other types.
Now the focus of this story, a pizza delivery guy, who is 27 and living with the mother of his 3 teenage sons. You do the arithmetic to see who's starting out early on his career of thieving-from-the-taxpayers.
Don't think this is just a problem for Britain or for Europe. Similar tricks can be done here and I'm sure are done here. But even besides this, the Western economies are much tied together:
US Fed lent $3.3tn to multinationals, billionaires and foreign banks , secretly of course:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/dec/02/us-federal-reserve-bailouts-multinationals
When Muslim occupied Britain and Europe start to go bankrupt trying to pay for all this, you, the American taxpayer are going to be coughing up a lot more bailout money. That's right, we will be paying for much of this Islamic fraud. Just think of it as payment for, as the liberal parties call it, "cultural enrichment".
This is an infestation of parasites who are breeding like hookworms while sucking the lifeblood out of the host... http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/islamic-parasites.html
The referenced article is from the Daily Mail, not the BBC.
The headline refers to "Muslim men" and while there are a few lapses to "asian" in the body text, "muslim" is used most commonly.
In their native countries these muslim reptiles are limited by the numbers of wives they can keep. Sure Islamic law allows them 4 but how can they take care of them with their low salaries? Solution for them is to move to a willing and naive western country where they can dupe the western morons to pay for the upkeep of their multiple wives.
These freebie are noticed by the muslims already living in these countries and inspires them to get more wives and put them on the dole. To receive free house and welfare payment for a child. The more children they pop out the more money they collect.
and the reason the '20,000 musloid polygamous unions' are not *IMMEDIATELY* packed on a raft or some similar such devise, and deported out of the uk is????....
ok. being the civilized kind hearted people that we are, we'll not put them on a raft (not a bad idea mind you), we'll put them in a boat, or a plane....
but let's deport them goddamnit!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, the welfare state everywhere walks around with a big sign reading "I'm a cow: milk me!"
"This is an infestation of parasites who are breeding like hookworms while sucking the lifeblood out of the host..."
Couldn't agree more.
"Every single man of my age who I bump into seems to have a third, fourth or fifth wife"
That would suggest a little more than 20,000 of them...
Back in 2004, when 10 Eastern European countries joined the EU, the British government estimated that around 10,000 Poles would come to England. As it turned out, more than a million made the trip over. Could the "20,000" estimated here be a similar order of magnitude below the real number??
Deport! Deport! Deport!
The British bureaucrats are the blind ones if they don't have fail safe guidelines to protect the nation from waste and fraud. But of course this has always been the hallmark of allowing government to handle money. I would strongly suggest they hire a private company like VISA to handle the system-- they could save the country billions; oh and that goes for America to.
"Deport! Deport! Deport!"
dear dumbles,
your posts are ALWAYS music to my ears!
:)
There is a very good solution for this problem. Get rid of Welfare. If the State doesn't give you money for your bastards, you have to earn more.
Works against Muslims and Welfare Moms alike.
Welfare has ruined western society, economy, and religion. It will eventually end as one country after another goes bankrupt and inflation is out of control.
I am curious as to what type of visas these extra wives are obtaining. It was very hard for my Australian daughter to get a visa to study for six months in England last year (and by the way she said the course here was MUCH better, but at least England was an "experience").
Or don't "Asians" need visas now? Is there nsome kind of discrimination thing going on?
(And by the way, my daughter, who is half-Chinese, told me she was continually called out to - "Ching-Chong", that kind of thing - and propositioned rudely in the street. "What?" I asked, shocked. "By English boys?"
"Well, no," she said. "By immigrants..."
And so it goes on.
The pace of Islamization in Britain is rapid, and is speeding up.
The latest:-
" BBC turns its back on year of Our Lord:
2,000 years of Christianity jettisoned for politically correct 'Common Era'"
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2041265/BBC-turns-year-Our-Lord-2-000-years-Christianity-jettisoned-politically-correct-Common-Era.html#ixzz1Yujl7iAe
It could well be that the BBC's next step towards the fuller Islamization of Britain will be the implementation of 'Mecca Time' so that the Islamic supremacists like Qaradawi are not offended by 'Greenwich Mean Time':
'Wikipedia':-
'MECCA TIME'
"Mecca Time is a time standard that uses the line of longitude that goes through Mecca, Saudi Arabia (39°49′34″ E of the Greenwich Meridian) as its Prime Meridian. Its proposed use as a global standard is based the claim that the city is the true center of the Earth and thus should become the basis of the world's timezones...
"The proposal was made by Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi and other Muslim clerics meeting in Doha, Qatar on April 21, 2008 for a conference titled 'Mecca: the Center of the Earth, Theory and Practice.'"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca_Time
It is well known in the States that studly Moslem men load up on the wives -- one county wife and three mosque wives -- to get AFDC and other socialist welfare benefits by, oh irony of irony, having the mosque wives pose as tramp welfare mamas by providing the local gubmint officials a fake address.
*** 33:21 ***
I once saw such a stud driving a Lexus GS with his hijabbed mamas aboard, one riding shotgun and three scarved haids across the backseat. It's a great scam: the Feds busy themselves with prosecuting the odd Mormon out in the intermountain basin for polygamy (not welfare fraud), meanwhile the Moslems are fairly open about what they do, and they do the fraud over and above the polygamy.
It's the American way. A mere off duty cab driver in a Lexus, driving and parking his in front of a Crate & Barrel to go on in and spend some of his riches on the good life.
Hey England - Your cultural suicide plans are proceeding nicely.
Exactly. While I understand that W. Jeffs is not all quite "there", he was fried by the feds and the locals in Yavapai County, as well as Utah.
Polygamism, as I've long-maintained, even more than the overt "violence" of Jihad, will be the undoing of Islam in America.
Flout that multiple 16-year-old-wife #3 in an American's face, and they will begin to scream at the top of their lungs.
Britain? heh...too late, I'm afraid.
Sean,
Your blogsite shows without question that Muslims ARE different: one-half the Muslim men and three-quarters of the Muslim women are unemployed: one-fifth of Muslim women and one-fourth of Muslim men have a disability.
The Muslim ethos of first-cousin marriage and stoning for any intermingling among the sexes is obviously designed to promote a damaged population of low intelligence, unable to muster or even understand any intellectual argument against their submission to Islam and its mullahs.
The damaged Muslims have, however, managed to find a population even more damaged and less-intelligent than they: the British bureaucracy who distributes the dole and protects the obvious lawbreakers. Why should we heap scorn on the polygamous Muslim who never pretended to have fealty to his adopted country, when the bureaucrat and members of parliament, who have sworn to uphold their countries laws and who certainly are aware of them, are more than complicit in the breaking of them?
With the facts and figures publicly available and not disputable, allowing more Muslims into a country nevertheless is exactly like insisting on unsafe sex as a matter of principle in the midst of an AIDS epidemic.
In a seedy part of the seedy town where I teach, I was gassing my car right across from the local baby-murder factory, and saw a kufi-wearing man exit it with two hijab-ed women in tow. Very righteous people, ya know....
I noticed that the story indicates that some of these Muslim guys have more than four "wives" in these schemes. That's possible, though in terms of the Islamic marriage he can only be married to four at the same time. Of course, he may have an Islamically divorced wife in the scheme and may have numerous "concubines" (technically right hand possessions, though in practice anyone from a female slave to a servant to mistress) as well--Islam puts no limit on the number of concubines a Muslim man can have.
Stories like this one are depressing for just about everyone in the West, except the pious Muslims and a few others who are taking advantage of this scheme and many others like it. But those of us who've been keeping track of the demographic jihad must be particularly dismayed. The government policies are so utterly stupid and self-destructive. The general non-Muslim public for the most part knows this, but almost all of those in power--the politicians, the media, business leaders, religious leaders, and academics in the relevant fields--continue to maximally enable this parasitic demographic take-over of the U.K. and other major western countries. Politicians are forcing the British to pay, and pay heavily, for their own destruction. And this issue of (so-called) "democratic" politicians forcing western peoples to pay for their own destruction is never something those same western peoples are ever allowed to vote on, because the politicians and mainstream media exclude it from the menu of issues that can be put on the table and discussed. If this is not considered treason--to force people to pay for their own destruction and not allow them to talk about it--then at some point there ought to be new legislation brought in explicitly defining it as such. These politicians are the same people (whether Labour, Conservative, or Liberal Democrat) who brought in (or maintained, once it was brought in) a separate sharia law system in the U.K., and who demand that Islam never be discussed in a critical light. These politicians seem hell-bent on destroying the U.K. and replacing it with a Muslim-majority society, (notwithstanding a bit of empty posturing from Cameron, Merkel, and others who in fact continue to massively enable the Islamic demographic take-over of Europe).
It seems that no amount of complaining about this from the general public has had any effect. This surely must be one of the top issues that people complain about to their political representatives. Polls have shown consistently that the majority of people in Western societies oppose mass immigration policies that erode the core culture. Yet year after year, and now decade after decade, nothing is done to stop this erosion, which is leading to collapse, and then, replacement, of the host non-Muslim societies.
I encourage people to click on the link and read the whole of the article in situ.
You will notice, at the end, that the Daily Mail has not opened a 'Comments' section for this particular story.
I wonder why? Perhaps because they knew that the white-hot fury expressed by ordinary Britons - many of whom are doing it tough, and many of whose genuinely-needy fellow citizens, such as returned soldiers with disabilities, and the frail elderly, and such, are missing out on help because the lion's share is being gobbled up by Muslim fraudsters - would have lit up their comments section like a supernova going off.
Something that stood out to me, from that part of the article which was not reproduced here, is that many of the polygamists are IMAMS.
Imams,** in mosques**, are solemnising what they *know* to be polygamous marriages that will be used to defraud the surrounding non-Muslim community.
The Mail should go on investigating, with a view to the ultimate publication (preferably in Parliament) of a list of the *names* of all those imams definitely known to be in polygynous relationships and/ or preaching polygyny and/ or solemnising polygynous 'marriages', together with the *names* of all those mosques where it is going on.
Imams, in mosques, are themselves breaking the non-Islamic law of Britain, by taking additional 'wives'.
All such mosques where polygamous 'marriages' have been solemnised, should be shut down and razed to the ground.
All such imams - known to be involved in polygamous 'marriages' or to have solemnised such arrangements - should be deported (as should all Mohammedan males known to have taken more than one 'wife', along with their 'wives' and offspring).
And stripped of citizenship, if they have acquired it; sentenced to Exile For The Term of Your Natural Life, if they happen to have been born on UK soil.
Those who have acquired assets by using polygyny to defraud the welfare system, should be stripped of those assets as part of their punishment. Seize and sell the cars and the jewellery, etc, and use it to look after genuinely-needy non-Muslim Britons, of whom I am sure there are many. Send the offending Muslims back to dar al Islam sans all their fraudulently-gotten gains.
PS I wouldn't mind betting that the mosques where polygyny is being solemnised might well also turn out to be mosques where full-on Jihad is being preached.
Our glorious leaders know there is nothing they can do to stop Muslims from marrying four wives.
If a polygamist is confronted by some daring investigator, he could claim that he has just the one legal wife, and invoke his yuman rite to enjoy the affection of his 3 'girlfriends'.
Stealth Sharia...A lie is not a lie if it cannot be proven, and as we know our spineless politicians would rather concede with honour than risk political suicide by trying to enforce the law.
Kepha
re the Muslim man you saw, emerging from an abortion clinic with his two slave-hooded female chattels..
Have you read Nonie Darwish's book on Sharia, "Cruel and Usual Punishment"?
She states on p 140, after citing the text that authorises the killing of children by their parents or grandparents (there is no 'retaliation' if a parent or grandparent kills a child or grandchild), that "there are no Sharia laws forbidding abortion". And I assume that she must have gone looking to see whether there were any such laws; since she consulted the standard sharia handbooks that have been translated into English, and consulted with other folks who know their way around the sharia labyrinth.
She also states that under sharia the husband's convenience and desires are paramount: "the endless list of the marriage rights of men includes the man's right to prevent his wife from caring for her child from a previous marriage. "The husband has the right to prevent his wife from looking after and breast-feeding her baby, from her previous husband...because that will make her too busy to attend to the husband, and it will affect her beauty and cleanliness, all these are the rights of the husband alone". (pp. 44-45, citing the 'Al-Fiqh' of one Al-Gaziri, published in 1990.
That's describing the case of a man who marries a widow with a young baby (or, perhaps, *captures* a non-Muslim married woman together with her infant?); but it's easy to see that the mindset of total male entitlement that produced that statement by Al-Gaziri, could lead to a Muslim husband forcing his wife to either have an abortion or neglect her baby, if he saw the (unborn or born) baby's needs as competing with his own (perceived to be total and exclusive) right to his wife's services.
As for single women: the fact that a Muslim woman who is caught committing 'zina' is liable to be 'honor' murdered by her family even when living within the west, may drive her to secretly seek an abortion if she becomes pregnant whether from rape, seduction or a consensual liaison.
In Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book 'Infidel', and also in an essay in 'The Caged Virgin', she describes what she saw when - working as an interpreter - she accompanied usually-Muslim immigrant women (whether Somali speakers, or English speakers) to Dutch abortion clinics.
:"When I went to the awful places - the police stations, the prisons, the abortion clinics and penal courts, the unemployment offices and the shelters for battered women - I began to notice how many dark faces looked back at me. It was not something you could help noticing, coming straight from creamy-blond Leiden [this was while Ayaan was studying at the University of Leiden - dda]. I began to wonder why so many immigrants - **so many Muslims** [my emphasis - dda] - were there.
"It was particularly striking when I visited women's shelters - terrible, depressing places...There were hardly any white women, only women from Morocco, from Turkey, from Afghanistan - Muslim countries - along with some Hindu women from Surinam".
[Infidel, p. 245].
And in 'The Caged Virgin', in the first essay, she says of the Netherlands: "the increase in abortions is directly related to the influx of Moroccan and Turkish women" (i.e. of Muslim women).
At the end of chapter two, she says: "Sixty percent of all abortions in the Netherlands involve immigrants, many of whom have an Islamic background".
And in the chapter "Four Women's Lives", she describes going with a 17 year old, pregnant Somali Muslim girl - who is seeking an abortion, for fear of being thrown out (or, for that matter, 'honor' killed, by her family - to an abortion clinic.
She writes: " The waiting room at the clinic is full of immigrant women. The so-called recovery rooms are also almost exclusively filled with immigrants, mainly from Turkey and Morocco [i.e., MUSLIMS] and a few from China".
Life is cheap, in the Ummah. Indeed, the concept of the sanctity of an individual life is nonexistent. Multiple children are bred from multiple female chattels, to be used as cannon fodder in Fast Jihad and for Slow Jihad demographic swamping of infidels; but among those same children, many - especially girls - will be killed off by their own kin without compunction. And there are studies that have shown that severe sexual abuse -of both boys and girls, usually incestuous - is rampant.
You also have to add the fact that birth control methods are forbidden in islam. Some such as condoms inhibit male enjoyment. So the result is you have muslimas getting pregnant often perhaps every year.
Some muslim men don't like to have their house and sex slaves taking care of too many babies instead of taking care of their needs. So the result is that they will take them to abortion clinics. How ironic is that considering that muslims always point to the myth that pre islamic Arabs used to kill their babies. But muslims are better for not engaging in these atrocities?
A Japanese friend I know also wanted to come to the UK. On arrival, she was questioned by immigration officials for FOUR HOURS, as on a previous visit to study, she had held, for a very short time, a part-time job. Only the fact that she could contact someone she knew in a senior position in London transport meant that finally they let her in...
On the other hand, a Pakistani I know from university was recently granted permission to work in the UK, when the conditions were that he should have previously held an equivalent position, with equivalent pay, back in their home country... something that for someone fresh out of uni was very unlikely! (another friend's Chinese wife - then fiancee - tried but failed to get the same permit earlier).
Interestingly, while I was flying to India via Qatar earlier this year, an immigration official was questioning the mostly-Pakistani passengers at London Gatwick about the purpose of their visit to England, on their way OUT OF the UK... surely they should be doing this when they're travelling in the other direction?!
I know of lots more cases of Westerners finding difficulties while travellling to Britain, but I'll keep this post short.
Moral of the story - if you're Western and like Britain, it's almost impossible to enter... if you're Pakistani, hate the West and go to a fake university, then come inside!
A Japanese friend I know also wanted to come to the UK. On arrival, she was questioned by immigration officials for FOUR HOURS, as on a previous visit to study, she had held, for a very short time, a part-time job. Only the fact that she could contact someone she knew in a senior position in London transport meant that finally they let her in...
On the other hand, a Pakistani I know from university was recently granted permission to work in the UK, when the conditions were that he should have previously held an equivalent position, with equivalent pay, back in their home country... something that for someone fresh out of uni was very unlikely! (another friend's Chinese wife - then fiancee - tried but failed to get the same permit earlier).
Interestingly, while I was flying to India via Qatar earlier this year, an immigration official was questioning the mostly-Pakistani passengers at London Gatwick about the purpose of their visit to England, on their way OUT OF the UK... surely they should be doing this when they're travelling in the other direction?!
I know of lots more cases of Westerners finding difficulties while travellling to Britain, but I'll keep this post short.
Moral of the story - if you're Western and like Britain, it's almost impossible to enter... if you're Pakistani, hate the West and go to a fake university, then come inside!
A Japanese friend I know also wanted to come to the UK. On arrival, she was questioned by immigration officials for FOUR HOURS, as on a previous visit to study, she had held, for a very short time, a part-time job. Only the fact that she could contact someone she knew in a senior position in London transport meant that finally they let her in...
On the other hand, a Pakistani I know from university was recently granted permission to work in the UK, when the conditions were that he should have previously held an equivalent position, with equivalent pay, back in their home country... something that for someone fresh out of uni was very unlikely! (another friend's Chinese wife - then fiancee - tried but failed to get the same permit earlier).
Interestingly, while I was flying to India via Qatar earlier this year, an immigration official was questioning the mostly-Pakistani passengers at London Gatwick about the purpose of their visit to England, on their way OUT OF the UK... surely they should be doing this when they're travelling in the other direction?!
I know of lots more cases of Westerners finding difficulties while travellling to Britain, but I'll keep this post short.
Moral of the story - if you're Western and like Britain, it's almost impossible to enter... if you're Pakistani, hate the West and go to a fake university, then come inside!
A Japanese friend I know also wanted to come to the UK. On arrival, she was questioned by immigration officials for FOUR HOURS, as on a previous visit to study, she had held, for a very short time, a part-time job. Only the fact that she could contact someone she knew in a senior position in London transport meant that finally they let her in...
On the other hand, a Pakistani I know from university was recently granted permission to work in the UK, when the conditions were that he should have previously held an equivalent position, with equivalent pay, back in their home country... something that for someone fresh out of uni was very unlikely! (another friend's Chinese wife - then fiancee - tried but failed to get the same permit earlier).
Interestingly, while I was flying to India via Qatar earlier this year, an immigration official was questioning the mostly-Pakistani passengers at London Gatwick about the purpose of their visit to England, on their way OUT OF the UK... surely they should be doing this when they're travelling in the other direction?!
I know of lots more cases of Westerners finding difficulties while travellling to Britain, but I'll keep this post short.
Moral of the story - if you're Western and like Britain, it's almost impossible to enter... if you're Pakistani, hate the West and go to a fake university, then come inside!
A Japanese friend I know also wanted to come to the UK. On arrival, she was questioned by immigration officials for FOUR HOURS, as on a previous visit to study, she had held, for a very short time, a part-time job. Only the fact that she could contact someone she knew in a senior position in London transport meant that finally they let her in...
On the other hand, a Pakistani I know from university was recently granted permission to work in the UK, when the conditions were that he should have previously held an equivalent position, with equivalent pay, back in their home country... something that for someone fresh out of uni was very unlikely! (another friend's Chinese wife - then fiancee - tried but failed to get the same permit earlier).
Interestingly, while I was flying to India via Qatar earlier this year, an immigration official was questioning the mostly-Pakistani passengers at London Gatwick about the purpose of their visit to England, on their way OUT OF the UK... surely they should be doing this when they're travelling in the other direction?!
I know of lots more cases of Westerners finding difficulties while travellling to Britain, but I'll keep this post short.
Moral of the story - if you're Western and like Britain, it's almost impossible to enter... if you're Pakistani, hate the West and go to a fake university, then come inside!
A Japanese friend I know also wanted to come to the UK. On arrival, she was questioned by immigration officials for FOUR HOURS, as on a previous visit to study, she had held, for a very short time, a part-time job. Only the fact that she could contact someone she knew in a senior position in London transport meant that finally they let her in...
On the other hand, a Pakistani I know from university was recently granted permission to work in the UK, when the conditions were that he should have previously held an equivalent position, with equivalent pay, back in their home country... something that for someone fresh out of uni was very unlikely! (another friend's Chinese wife - then fiancee - tried but failed to get the same permit earlier).
Interestingly, while I was flying to India via Qatar earlier this year, an immigration official was questioning the mostly-Pakistani passengers at London Gatwick about the purpose of their visit to England, on their way OUT OF the UK... surely they should be doing this when they're travelling in the other direction?!
I know of lots more cases of Westerners finding difficulties while travellling to Britain, but I'll keep this post short.
Moral of the story - if you're Western and like Britain, it's almost impossible to enter... if you're Pakistani, hate the West and go to a fake university, then come inside!
A Japanese friend I know also wanted to come to the UK. On arrival, she was questioned by immigration officials for FOUR HOURS, as on a previous visit to study, she had held, for a very short time, a part-time job. Only the fact that she could contact someone she knew in a senior position in London transport meant that finally they let her in...
On the other hand, a Pakistani I know from university was recently granted permission to work in the UK, when the conditions were that he should have previously held an equivalent position, with equivalent pay, back in their home country... something that for someone fresh out of uni was very unlikely! (another friend's Chinese wife - then fiancee - tried but failed to get the same permit earlier).
Interestingly, while I was flying to India via Qatar earlier this year, an immigration official was questioning the mostly-Pakistani passengers at London Gatwick about the purpose of their visit to England, on their way OUT OF the UK... surely they should be doing this when they're travelling in the other direction?!
I know of lots more cases of Westerners finding difficulties while travellling to Britain, but I'll keep this post short.
Moral of the story - if you're Western and like Britain, it's almost impossible to enter... if you're Pakistani, hate the West and go to a fake university, then come inside!
A Japanese friend I know also wanted to come to the UK. On arrival, she was questioned by immigration officials for FOUR HOURS, as on a previous visit to study, she had held, for a very short time, a part-time job. Only the fact that she could contact someone she knew in a senior position in London transport meant that finally they let her in...
On the other hand, a Pakistani I know from university was recently granted permission to work in the UK, when the conditions were that he should have previously held an equivalent position, with equivalent pay, back in their home country... something that for someone fresh out of uni was very unlikely! (another friend's Chinese wife - then fiancee - tried but failed to get the same permit earlier).
Interestingly, while I was flying to India via Qatar earlier this year, an immigration official was questioning the mostly-Pakistani passengers at London Gatwick about the purpose of their visit to England, on their way OUT OF the UK... surely they should be doing this when they're travelling in the other direction?!
I know of lots more cases of Westerners finding difficulties while travellling to Britain, but I'll keep this post short.
Moral of the story - if you're Western and like Britain, it's almost impossible to enter... if you're Pakistani, hate the West and go to a fake university, then come inside!
A Japanese friend I know also wanted to come to the UK. On arrival, she was questioned by immigration officials for FOUR HOURS, as on a previous visit to study, she had held, for a very short time, a part-time job. Only the fact that she could contact someone she knew in a senior position in London transport meant that finally they let her in...
On the other hand, a Pakistani I know from university was recently granted permission to work in the UK, when the conditions were that he should have previously held an equivalent position, with equivalent pay, back in their home country... something that for someone fresh out of uni was very unlikely! (another friend's Chinese wife - then fiancee - tried but failed to get the same permit earlier).
Interestingly, while I was flying to India via Qatar earlier this year, an immigration official was questioning the mostly-Pakistani passengers at London Gatwick about the purpose of their visit to England, on their way OUT OF the UK... surely they should be doing this when they're travelling in the other direction?!
I know of lots more cases of Westerners finding difficulties while travellling to Britain, but I'll keep this post short.
Moral of the story - if you're Western and like Britain, it's almost impossible to enter... if you're Pakistani, hate the West and go to a fake university, then come inside!
A Japanese friend I know also wanted to come to the UK. On arrival, she was questioned by immigration officials for FOUR HOURS, as on a previous visit to study, she had held, for a very short time, a part-time job. Only the fact that she could contact someone she knew in a senior position in London transport meant that finally they let her in...
On the other hand, a Pakistani I know from university was recently granted permission to work in the UK, when the conditions were that he should have previously held an equivalent position, with equivalent pay, back in their home country... something that for someone fresh out of uni was very unlikely! (another friend's Chinese wife - then fiancee - tried but failed to get the same permit earlier).
Interestingly, while I was flying to India via Qatar earlier this year, an immigration official was questioning the mostly-Pakistani passengers at London Gatwick about the purpose of their visit to England, on their way OUT OF the UK... surely they should be doing this when they're travelling in the other direction?!
I know of lots more cases of Westerners finding difficulties while travellling to Britain, but I'll keep this post short.
Moral of the story - if you're Western and like Britain, it's almost impossible to enter... if you're Pakistani, hate the West and go to a fake university, then come inside!
apologies for the multi-posting. I clicked the button once... no idea why it's posted ten times!!!
apologies for the multi-posting. I clicked the button once... no idea why it's posted ten times!!!
apologies for the multi-posting. I clicked the button once... no idea why it's posted ten times!!!
apologies for the multi-posting. I clicked the button once... no idea why it's posted ten times!!!
Yes, I do think a part of the Muslims is involved in some sort of Demographic Jihad, some consciously, some "out of habit". And it is frustrating to realise that because almost no woman is ever prohibited getting as many children as she wants that it is the Islam indoctrinated, indoctrinating, sheepish, subordinate, not-too-bright women who get the most children, while the independent, bright women get very few children.
The figures about demographics concerning Muslims are very diversified. But official statistics indicate that Muslims only grow slowly in percentages of the population of Holland nowadays. Even Muslima's get fewer children. There are now approx. 1 million Muslims in a population of 16,5 million. In Rotterdam there seem to be about 100.000 Muslims in a population of 600.000. the percentage of school children though is much higher.
But Muslims are often not specified and named under "allochtones" and those represent more than half of the population of Rotterdam and it's schoolchildren. But there are also many Caribbeans and also many Christians among them. And now in Rotterdam there are increasing numbers of Eastern Europeans (of which only the Turkish Bulgarians are Muslim).
It is good to keep an eye on demographic statistics and welfare statistics and the powerful Freedom Party does this. It supports the government on condition of reduction of immigration, but so far (in 2011) the government couldn't deliver, it watches out sharply for welfare fraud. And the socialists are now doing this as well.
We have many single moms, but it is the Caribbeans, the Surinamese and some Cabo Verdians, almost all Christian or not aligned, that dominate this group. There was a case of a Antillian who boasted to have 29 children by some 12 women, all single moms. But single moms mostly only have 1, 2 children.
We do know that it is Antillians AND Moroccans and Turks that are over-represented in statistics of crime, unemployment and receiving medical help too. But with the pressing need for huge budget-cuts the government gets ever keener on welfare-fraud and has now ordered all welfare-recipients to work, study and job-application on pain of fines, deducted from the welfare. this is especially so in Rotterdam, which is in deep financial shit now.
I myself think it is worth considering to force single moms to identify the fathers of their babies, on pain of fines, and check this with dna-comparisons in order for the government to force all fathers to contribute in some way to the upkeep of their children. And let all people know about this beforehand.
In my wildest dreams I dream of groups of freedom party-members who form some kind of pact. Who, when Muslims keep immigrating and procreating in great numbers, make it their goal to form an association to also get a bigger number of children, to match the increase of Muslims, and then raise them on a very conscientious democratic basis. Like many Israeli's do.
In the past I was frustrated because I thought it better for mankind to get as few children as possible, in order to have a better quality life per individual on this small planet. But at the same time in many, often Islamic and backward parts of the world the "wrong kind of women" (because of "wrong" indoctrination and lack of education) got the most babies, while the "right kind of women seem to hardly get any.
But if we can't stop Muslim breeding and then migrating, I think we should consider increasing responsible pro-democratic breeding. And only decrease in children's number per woman if both groups are decreasing it.
Now Marisol, let's slow down a moment and, think about this one a bit...
http://hereticscrusade.com/2009/10/a-lesson-in-moderate-thought-also-known-as-critical-thinking-without-an-agenda/
In this British case if the *women* have *control* of the *money* a Muslim woman cannot "decide" to "give" her mahr (the price he pays to "enjoy" her in return for providing room and board but, keeping the children post puberty) to her "husband" without incurring all sorts of tax liabilities.
Not only that but, think of what that mere *control* means to the normal Islamic family power structure.
1. What happens if a woman does not *want* her man to "marry" another, probably younger, woman on her dime? If she is a 2nd wife the law does not recognize him to have any rights over her *money* at all!
2. What happens when a Muslim man pronounces taliq on his wife and she takes the children and the *money* and, changes the locks on *her* house?
3. What happens when a Muslim woman divorces a man or has him put in jail for rape and/or assault and gets on with a real life with her children?
Frankly, I think it is a good idea to change these rules somehow but, I haven't figured out how just what is realistic, yet. There are many nuances here...
But, then again, we might want to rethink just how fast we do anything at all. The next generation of British Muslims may well be properly equipped for moderate-ward evolution of a kind that sticks.
http://hereticscrusade.com/2011/06/muslims-mormons-marriage-guy-dewhitney-polygamy-human-rights/
now demsci, i must admit, your last paragraph is very disappointing!
"But if we can't stop Muslim breeding and then migrating, I think we should consider increasing responsible pro-democratic breeding. And only decrease in children's number per woman if both groups are decreasing it."
this is ridiculous!
we the west should not engage in procreation as a weapon!
if a couple chooses to have ONE or TEN children, it is their business as it should be!
no!
what we **NEED** are laws legislated and enforced by a society that is fed up with this madness.
i have written about it ad nauseum, but you can summarize it in a few sentences:
1. islam and the west are NOT compatible!
2.those that choose to practice islam should NOT live in the west
thus
* stop muslim immigration
* deport all who practice the seditious aspects of islam
point. fulll stop. that's it, that's all!
All righty then. How long will it take to conduct 20,000 deportation hearings?
just line'em up and kick'em atta'here!!!
next?
The Muslim ethos of first-cousin marriage and stoning for any intermingling among the sexes is obviously designed to promote a damaged population of low intelligence...
Ouch. Ya ain't mincing any words here, are ya Ronald?
... unable to muster or even understand any intellectual argument against their submission to Islam and its mullahs.
But this I gotta disagree with. They know. They understand that the deal they're offering is unacceptable, that it'll kill our civilization. They also know that -- as weaklings in the areas of economy and technology -- they're in no military position to be making such a fatal demand.
*** Bukhari Vol 4 Bk 52 Nbr 196 ***
Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say none has the right to be worshipped but Allah."
The great power we see in Moslemism derives from the fact that they just don't give an oily sheet about those minor details. Their scam has been working for 1,400 yrs now, while global-socialism has been working its magic for only 160 yrs, a mere tenth of the Moslem play's unbroken run on Broadway.
Better yet, the Moslems aren't just aiming for OPM (other peoples' money). Yes, OPM is always a great motivator, but the Moslems don't just want your money; they intend to take over the whole ball of wax.
... fear expressed as "cultural sensitivity"
And therein lies the nut that makes the self-delusion engine go. The fuel in cultural sensitivity's tank is the argument that those who would oppose Moslems are ignorant.
*** Vol 4 Bk 52 Nbr 196 ***
Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say none has the right to be worshipped but Allah."
Somehow it is amazing that the argument that we're operating out of ignorance is working even despite the fact that what we claim is self-documented and undisputed even by Moslems themselves, who acknowledge the facts of their scriptures, legal codes, and history.
The gravitational pull of fictive reality bubbles is strong, yes, but the Islam Bubble's pull is by far the least reversible and the most dangerous.
Thanks for answering, phoenix.
Do you live in the UK? I live in Holland. Aren't we Democratic or Nothing? And it seems that we can't persuade a majority of 51 % in our Western countries to act as you suggested. That means that our governments won't stop Islamic immigration.
That Muslims indeed can choose to have 10 children per family, in our own countries and theirs. And while they prohibit evangelizing in their countries we simply must allow them to do dawa here and gain converts. You know the unbalance! Fully allowed by our majority!
What then is your plan B? It can't be any kind of dictatorship nor any kind of violence except in self-defence. Under these circumstances will you still say; couples MUST not even be asked to also raise more children?
When that is what some of them voluntarily will do with all their heart if the situation gets ever more desperate? Like in Israel? Will you somehow be too arrogant not even to consider this? Which of your feelings get hurt by this, for God's sake?
Perhaps the Freedom Party will evolve to take drastic measures, which the Democratic Majority and the Muslims also must allow, just like we counterjihadists are forced to allow so much from Muslims.
This is emulating the successful strategies of the Muslims, in a way that is peaceful, within democratic confines and also unstoppable, creating a vibrant democratic society with plenty of young pro-democratic and therefore Islam-proof minds within 30 to 40 years!
dear demsci,
it is 2;39 pm est, and i shall reply to your post around
8-9pm . it will be 2-3am in your neck of the woods across the pond.
God almighty, Kepha! Please be careful where you teach!
Dave, I assure you that I am not God almighty--just a middle-aged American guy of checkered ethnic background teaching in an admittedly rough neighborhood. Besides, some many-times-great grandparents were there when God delivered the mitzvah "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain..."
Dumbeldore's:
Thanks for the information. The more I learn, the more it seems that Islamic "ethics" are simply whatever's convenient for lazy, covetous, and violent males.
I haven't read Ayaan Hirsi's book. But, my curiosity has been whetted.
Cutting welfare does not really help. This is a policy that hurts children. The real issue is it: whose job is it to care for the children?
Normally it is the duty of the biological parents to provide for their children. The state is only supposed to relieve them when they absolutely cannot put food on the table. It took some twenty years for child support laws to catch up with divorce laws, but currently all divorced fathers are forced to support their children if they have any money at all. More recently, a law was passed that benefits would not be paid to a single mother whose youngest child was over seven unless she was actively job-hunting. Why is a similar principle not applying here? Is it really necessary to pass the following laws, already implicit in our system?
(1) Every child's biological father must be named at birth, using a DNA test if necessary.
(2) A father must support each of his children from conception until the end of formal education (at least to age 16, possibly to age 21), and each child's mother until the child is five years old. Whether or not he was ever married to the mother is irrelevant. This principle obviates any need to offer any kind of legal recognition to the mosque nikkah.
(3) A man who cannot support his existing dependants without resorting to welfare is not allowed to sponsor a foreign spouse (or other family member) to enter Britain. Of course, this provision doesn't prevent his marrying yet another woman who already has the right to be in Britain... but how many available women are there here? They don't outnumber men on a 4:1 scale!
Cutting welfare does not really help. This is a policy that hurts children. The real issue is it: whose job is it to care for the children?
Normally it is the duty of the biological parents to provide for their children. The state is only supposed to relieve them when they absolutely cannot put food on the table. It took some twenty years for child support laws to catch up with divorce laws, but currently all divorced fathers are forced to support their children if they have any money at all. More recently, a law was passed that benefits would not be paid to a single mother whose youngest child was over seven unless she was actively job-hunting. Why is a similar principle not applying here? Is it really necessary to pass the following laws, already implicit in our system?
(1) Every child's biological father must be named at birth, using a DNA test if necessary.
(2) A father must support each of his children from conception until the end of formal education (at least to age 16, possibly to age 21), and each child's mother until the child is five years old. Whether or not he was ever married to the mother is irrelevant. This principle obviates any need to offer any kind of legal recognition to the mosque nikkah.
(3) A man who cannot support his existing dependants without resorting to welfare is not allowed to sponsor a foreign spouse (or other family member) to enter Britain. Of course, this provision doesn't prevent his marrying yet another woman who already has the right to be in Britain... but how many available women are there here? They don't outnumber men on a 4:1 scale!
dear demsci,
you ask:
"What then is your plan B? It can't be any kind of dictatorship nor any kind of violence except in self-defence."
'dictatorship'....we may get into semantics now, but for my money i want to see a man of action that can turn the situation around and make things happen.
thanks to rudy giulliani, n-y has become a safe great city not bankrupt and crime ridden as under ed koch and dinkins...
'dictatorship'? maybe. SO WHAT?!!!
thanks to lee iacocca, chrysler has made a 180 degree turn and was back in the black from the brink of bankruptcy....
'dictatorship'? maybe. SO WHAT?!!!
let's talk about the OTHER side of the coin....
'democracy' (pht)! where the majority rules....
you **DO** realize that musloids can and will take over the west 'democratically', since their numbers are swelling with each and every day.
you have that in holland and the rest of europe (ehm, eurabia?)as well as here in canada where i live, and elsewhere in the west.
that being said, would you have a problem with a 'dictatorship' under your own geert wilders, or allen west calling the shots for our yankee friends (and the rest of the free world for that matter).
i would **LOVE** for stephen harper, for whom i voted, to have even MORE powers.
if the person is honorable (and these three ARE) he will not harm us but to the contrary he'll be able to direct the country towards an islam-free society.
understand this demsci, i had a similar dialogue with david dowse, the other day regarding this very same point.
i am NOT advocating 'slaughter' (david's term) or violence towards the muslims.
what i DO advocate though is the creation of an environment where islam and sharia laws cannot flourish (to put it very mildly)
if a muslim is *self employed* and CHOSES to pray to allah 5x / day .....gezundheit! who am i who are we to tell a free person what they should do with their time???
the MINUTE, this little musloid, is emplyed by company xyz, and he *demands* to be allowed to pray.....
as we say in my neck of the woods here in quebec,
"wo! wo! wo, tabarnak!"
in other words, a line has been drawn in the sand and we are SERIOUS about it being respected!
if we are serious about living as a free society, we must not give in an inch! for it only leads to further demands and encroachments on our way of life.
now to the 'violence' and 'self defence' part...
how would you describe exactly the 'youths' rioting and burning in france...in italy...
tolerance should not be suicidal!
and WHEN prey tell would you actually DO something 'in self defence'
when?
**W.H.E.N."**?
after the louvre is destroyed by a simultaneous suicide bombing attack?
or the uffizi,or the golden gate bridge,
etc. etc. etc.
and then what?
'moderate' musloid leaders will whine to the media that they fear a 'backlash'???? (while candies are being handed out and they are dancing with joy...)
i am really curious and eager to learn what the november 11 conference in nashville will bring forth (the constitution or sharia conference)...
i am afraid demsci that a violent conflict will occur somewhere, in the west. and just like this bullshit arab spring (spit!) tsunami that has engulfed the arab/musloid world... there will be a western awakening to oust anything and everything that even REMOTELY has to do with islam.
i think i have said enough...
best regards
the phoenix
Thanks Phoenix, I think I understand and I sympathize for 90 %. It is just that I fear strong men will almost always end in some kind of disaster too. But I really like and admire your patriotism and passion. I do love Canada (where I do have lots of Dutch family!) and Stephen Harper!
And my own "dream" was not very realistic, I know. It was born out of desperation. Yes, a great conflict is likely and the outcome is uncertain. Perhaps for our generation and the next few the curtain will fall. I think the Democratic system may well suicide itself. And in terms of strength; Islam is very strong, tenacious, Muslims are much more purposeful and committed than the divided, purposeless masses in democratic nations.
Best regards and take care my friend, dem-sci (democracy & science hooray!).
dear demsci,
i look forward to future exchanges on jw
ps i'll *gladly* take my chances with west, wilders and harper.
anytime.
wishing well to you and yours.
the phoenix
Good. Keep going, Kepha. I admire you.
And sorry if I offended you with the exhortation.