Egypt: "How have Copts become so unprotected in their own country? Why is it so easy to kill over a dozen of us in a protest while those who stormed into the Israeli embassy were not even harmed?"

As the Egyptian prime minister blames a "dirty conspiracy," more details are emerging about the massacre of the protesters:

"At one point, an armored security van sped into the crowd, striking a half-dozen protesters and throwing some into the air."
"After midnight, mobs roamed downtown streets, attacking cars they suspected had Christian passengers. In many areas, there was no visible police or army presence to confront or stop them."

More:

"Bands of young men armed with sticks, rocks, swords and firebombs began to roam central Cairo, attacking Christians. Troops and riot police did not intervene to stop the attacks on Christians."
"Throughout the night, the station cast the Christian protesters as a violent mob attacking the army and public property. At one point, Information Minister Osama Heikal went on the air to deny that the station's coverage had a sectarian slant, but acknowledged that its presenters acted 'emotionally'."

Yes, there is quite the dirty conspiracy afoot, but a different one from the red herring desperately waved by the prime minister. "Cairo clashes: military rulers hold emergency talks with Christian leaders," by Amro Hassan and Ian Black for the Guardian, October 10:

Egypt's military rulers have held emergency talks with Christian leaders after the worst violence since February's revolution left 26 people dead and 300 injured – and raised grave doubts about the country's democratic transition.
The Coptic church called on followers to fast and pray for three days from Tuesday to mourn Christians killed in clashes with Muslims and security forces on Sunday night, now the subject of an investigation ordered by the ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (Scaf), led by Field Marshal Mohammed Hussein Tantawi.
Issam Sharaf, the interim prime minister, warned of a "despicable conspiracy" against Egypt and called for unity.
Egypt's Copts, numbering between 10 million and 15 million, are the largest Christian minority in the Arab world. Hundreds of mourners gathered at the Coptic cathedral in the Cairo neighbourhood of Abbassia, chanting slogans against the military. "Tantawi you traitor, the blood of Copts is not cheap," shouted one. Christians threw stones at police outside the hospital where many of the casualties of Sunday's violence were taken, while scores of distressed Coptic women dressed in black and carrying wooden crosses wept over the death of their "martyrs".

Sneer quotes. Did they forget some religions' martyrs don't explode?

Video clips of the incident showed military vehicles ploughing through crowds of demonstrators so that several were crushed to death. It was the worst violence since Hosni Mubarak, who ruled Egypt for 30 years, was ousted on 11 February. The Copts insist they were marching peacefully when thugs attacked them, drawing in the military police who used what activists described as unnecessary force.
The backlash was sharp and swift. Ayman Adli, a 33-year-old carpenter, blamed Scaf for doing nothing in the face of a "growing wave of Islamism". There was "no real political will to solve Copts' problems of oppression and lack of rights and the army wanted to teach Coptic protesters a lesson by killing some to abort future demonstrations", he claimed.
"If Scaf can't protect us, it's obvious that they won't give us our rights," said law student Marko Habib. "Now it's time for them to cede power to a civilian who truly believes in citizenship and equality and has the will to protect minorities."
Concerns about the way the protests were handled were fuelled when state TV announced on Monday that there had been no deaths among the military after a newsreader reported at least three – and called on "honest Egyptians" to take to the streets to protect the armed forces.
"I feel like I'm in a nightmare and can't wake up," said Emilia Salem, 25. "How have Copts become so unprotected in their own country? Why is it so easy to kill over a dozen of us in a protest while those who stormed into the Israeli embassy were not even harmed?"
Al-Azhar University, Egypt's highest Muslim religious institution, called for a new law regulating the construction of churches. The incident in Aswan that sparked Sunday's protest was an attack on a church that attackers claimed was being built illegally. Coptic groups have long complained that laws regulating houses of worship are discriminatory....

More on that, and a useless trial balloon of a proposed law floated by the transitional government can be found here.

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We need to recognize that Islam is nothing more than religiously sanctioned criminality against non-Muslims. Wherever Muslims come into contact with non-Muslims you get a crimewave: http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/razzia-or-ghazwa-muslim-raids-of-rape.html

I don,t think the copts have ever been safe in egypt. They have just been kept so muslims had someone to humiliate.

'....armored security van sped into the crowd, striking a half-dozen protesters and throwing some into the air'

Road jihad is becoming more common in the UK as Muslim drivers use their vehicles as weapons to hit pedestrians, usually children and then drive off. Police are still classifying these incidents as hit-and-run and not attempted murder with a racist bias.

"I don,t think the copts have ever been safe in egypt. They have just been kept so muslims had someone to humiliate."

No. They are kept so muslims don't have to pick up their own garbage.

We're looking at the end of the ancient non-Muslim populations of the Middle East. I put up some of my thoughts on unclecephas.blogspot.com

Road jihad allows the Muslim to fulfil his obligation to Allah of killing infidels, without suffering any of the consequences of a more blatant murder, since the dhimmi police will always classify these events as accidents. For more examples see 'HIT AND RUN JIHAD' at http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2011/03/many-faces-of-jihad.html

The Copts in Egypt are calling for three days of prayer and fasting.

The Coptic emigre Bishop in Australia, Bishop Suriel, head of the Coptic Orthodox Community in Australia, also has a very practical proposal which I think all of us in various nominally-majority-Christian free-world countries should support. And those of us who are Christians should write to our respective church leaders - e.g. Catholic and Anglican Archbishops, Moderator of the Uniting Church, and so on - asking them to second what the Copts are asking.

It is mentioned in this posting by Australia's Rev Dr Mark Durie, on the subject of the latest Muslim massacre of Copts in Egypt.

http://markdurie.blogspot.com/2011/10/double-bind-upon-copts-dhimmitude-in.html

Excerpt, re. Bishop Suriel:


"I do commend the Australian Coptic Community, under the leadership of Bishop Suriel, for their courageous stand, in calling on the Australian government to expel the Egyptian diplomats (see here):

http://www.auscma.com/2011/10/10/acm-media-statementvideo-on-overnight-coptic-massacre-calls-for-expulsion-of-egyptian-govt-reps-from-australia/

"Bishop Suriel, head of the Coptic Orthodox Church in Australia, **is demanding the expulsion [from Australia - dda] of the Egyptian Ambassador, and two Egyptian Consul Generals** [my emphasis - dda}.

'In a Statement issued today, Bishop Suriel notes:

“Their [the Ambassador and Consuls] presence in Australia is of no meaning to the Coptic community in Australia, in light of the events which have occurred in Egypt, and their subsequent failure to act in a capacity which represents the interests of both the Coptic and Muslim dynamic of the community.

"They have failed to take a proactive approach to advocate for the rights of the Coptic people in Egypt or to speak out against the atrocities and intense persecution the Coptic people in Egypt are facing.” END QUOTE.

Yes.

I will write to the Foreign Minister (and Shadow) and to the Prime Minister, and Leader of the Opposition, requesting that in light of the atrocious human rights abuses currently being inflicted on Copts in Egypt - and indeed all the symptoms of an impending genocide - Australia should expel the Egyptian Ambassador, and the two Egyptian Consuls-General.

Canadians and Americans, British and French persons here present could make similar requests of their own governments.

PS - I do encourage everyone here to read Dr Durie's article that I have linked in this posting. And send it far and wide via facebook and other means. It is very, very powerful.

The only answer is to get all Christians out of muslim countries and into the west in exchange for muslims in the west removed to the muslim countries of the east.

spot on, john!

maybe the bastard (literally and figuratively) in the w.h. could bring his teleprompters once again to cairo, to deliver this message...and STAY THERE!

Pursuant to my posting above, for the benefit of Australian posters and lurkers at this forum.

Australian Federal MP, Craig Kelly, member for Hughes (who has a significant Coptic community within his electorate) submitted a motion in Australian Federal Parliament, in support of the Copts.

This took place on 19 September.

The motion will be voted on this Thursday, 14 October. If you are Australian, email or phone your MP, whoever he or she is, state that you support the motion, and ask him/ her to vote in favour.

Text of the motion:

'...motion by Mr Kelly:

"That this House:

(1) recognises that Coptic Christians in Egypt are suffering ongoing and increasing persecution;
(2) condemns the recent attacks on Coptic Christians in Egypt;
(3) expresses its sympathy for Coptic Christians who have been victims of recent attacks in Egypt; and
(4) calls on the Government to:
(a) issue a public statement condemning the ongoing attacks against the Coptic Christian minority in Egypt;
(b) make immediate representations to the United Nations to end the persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt; and
(c) strongly urge the Egyptian Government to provide equal rights and protection for all Egyptian citizens regardless of race or religion."


'You will find Mr Kelly's speech and that of a number of other MPs, reproduced here:

http://www.openaustralia.org/debates/?id=2011-09-19.198.1&s=speaker%3A10290


His speech ends thus:

"Now is not the time for silence or appeasement by the international community, for as the Copts go so ultimately may go the entire the Middle East.

" If a Christian minority cannot live within a country which has a Muslin majority population without persecution or institutionalised discrimination, the future looks bleak.

"Although a number of world leaders, including President Obama and Pope Benedict XVI have expressed serious concern about the dramatic attacks against the Coptic Christian community, the current Australian government has so far been silent.

"This motion gives this parliament an opportunity to end its silence.

"Finally, I would like to thank leading members of the Coptic community in Australia, including Father Tadros Simon, Father Antonis Kaldas, and Father Mathew Attia.

"I commend this motion to the House and I trust it will have the support of all its members.”

If you are Australian, click on the link, read the discussion there reproduced, and be sure to contact those who spoke in favour, and commend them.

In particular, email and support Mr Craig Kelly, MP, for moving the motion and speaking so eloquently on behalf of the Copts.

Copts and robbers!

Is Amercia still paying the doll money in billions of Dollarsd to Egypt? Then Why don't the Amercian President Obama open his golden mouth and condemn this atrocities against Coptic Christians in Egypt? Can't the Republicans press Obama to do so? Why Amercia is so mean to Christians around the world.

Buraq-on what account you say Copts are robbers. In fact ,it is YOU the Muslims who are the thieves and robbers of the land of Egypt. The very name of COPT means Egyptians. They are the original people of Egypt. You Muslim Arabs went there as land grabbers and stole the Land like you have done in Persia,and other countries.So it you the Muslim Arabs,who are trhe robbers ind thieves.

No, Margaritha, Buraq is one of us. He means Muslims are the robbers. He is DEFINITELY one of us!

Margarithe

you misread Buraq. Buraq is a staunch critic of Islam, and no Mohammedan.

He meant, by that brief comment, that the MUSLIMS are the 'robbers'.

Ever heard the expression 'cops and robbers' (i.e. cops vs. robbers)?

'Copts and Robbers' is a pun on that. The Copts correspond to the 'cops', the law-abiding people. The Muslims are the robbers.

An article in Ha-aretz about the plight of the Copts used that exact same title.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/neighbors-copts-and-robbers-1.261331

So did Mr Spencer in a Front Page article on January 6 2005, on the subject of an emigre Coptic family who were suspected to have been murdered by Muslims:

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=9819

Dumbledorsearmy,

Great post! Can you or anyone else give Americans the information to contact Washington?

If the Obama administration can support the Egyptian's in their struggle, the Obama administration should be at the forefront in support for the Coptic Christians. For I agree both, that the Coptic Christians are equally Egyptian and also, that muslims have trampled on Coptic Christian's rights.

It's time for the present Obama administration to be heard loud and clear! Right now, their "silence" is deafing. He is still the president and should be standing for the freedoms of all.

Another perspective, which is that it is not so much a Muslim vs. Christian conflict as a Military vs. minorities. After all, there were Muslims in the protests as well.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/oct2011/egyp-o11.shtml

"Egypt state television admits to making up news over soldiers' deaths."

http://bikyamasr.com/45280/egypt-state-television-admits-to-making-up-news-over-soldiers-deaths/

"broadcasters on state television at one point called on the Egyptian public to head to Maspero en masse to defend Egyptian soldiers from what they described as "angry Christian protesters"

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/23813/Egypt/Politics-/Outrage-over-State-TVs-misinformation-and-antiCopt.aspx

These open and violent attacks on the Copts (or any non muslim) is purely because obama has weakened America and the barbarians at the gates have no fear. No fear that a strong America will step in. Blame obama for neutering the US.

When will the Egyptian Christians finally realize that they are in a war for their very survival and start fighting for their rights before all of them are executed????

I agree that they are always in some danger, nonetheless:
Matthew 5
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Matthew 5

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 5
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

How have Copts become so unprotected in their own country?

Oh this is an easy one: it ain't their country. If they wanna get uppity about it, then yes technically it's illegal for Moslems to enforce that obvious reality, as in factual reality. Let the scales of justice fall where they may, the rioters (i.e., the Moslem activists) are willing to take that risk.

I believe it was the Hindus who invented the term religious riot, and guess who caused that oxymoronic word to come into being.

*** Ishaq 550 ***

... doing nothing in the face of a "growing wave of Islamism".

The ads say Be all you can be and An army of one. These are the Soldiers of Allah, each an Army of One. This is their ad campaign, and last time I looked, the estimated total number of ad impressions made is, well, impressive.

Killing Infidels is a small matter to us.

Let that be a lesson to you.

I regret my comment caused confusion. However, I see now how it could be (mis)understood.

Anyway, for the record; the Muslims are robbers and the Copts are their victims - as we all are!


"Bands of young men armed with sticks, rocks, swords and firebombs began to roam central Cairo, attacking Christians. Troops and riot police did not intervene to stop the attacks on Christians."

I'm sorry for the lawlessness in any country. There are those in the world whom suggested that Egypts revelution was not going to be for the better. Those whom said the Muslim Brotherhood was not what they have told the people they were. Those whom said, this is a sad day for hope of peace, and civil rights for all.

I'm guessing those words were kept silent throughout Arabia. I guessing that Arabia is more of a closed society to other parts of the world. The truth is kept from anyones lips so as not to betray the laws of Sharia and Islam. I'm thinking that Arabia is about the most backwards regine in the world.

I'm certain that forgivness, kindness, peace, love, civil, grace, and repentants is never talked about in Arabia. I'm pretty sure Islam follows the words of a man that lived nearly 1400 years age to the letter with no room for debate or questions.

I'm sure that living there must be like living in fear, and hells fire 24-7. I'm sure that Islam has wrapped itself in a mask, the mask is of a lamb, while under the mask lives Satan with all of his rage and evil ways. A ideology so barbaric that even its own members live in fear 24-7. An ideology that will not except any other law, religion, or way of live throughout the world. It never has and it never will.

This evil ideology has a very clear and straight forward teaching for its members to follow and abide by every second of everyday it comes from the Islamic text books called the Koran, the Hadith, and the Sura. The ideology has been passed down from Muhhmad through Gabreal, from Allah (Islams God) on serveral occations so said Muhhmad.


Anyone whom does not follow this ideology is a kuffar and must be killed or submit to Islam. That process is called "jihad". Jihad is practiced in many ways there is a jihad using the sword, guns, bombs, and beheadings. There is also jihad using stealth proceders like laws, verbal taqiyya, changing the court systems, changing employment laws, changing public places to accomadate Muslims and disciption. As soon as trust is confirmed then the jihad kicks into another speed and committment the mask comes off.

I therefor suggest that Egypt has began the jihad faze in earnest. Whereas everyone that does not submit to Islam will be killed. The committment has changed and along with it every agreement law or rule of law has changed.

Copts will never be safe in Egypt ever again. Know non- Muslim will ever be safe in Egypt ever again. All agreements with Israel or any other nation will be trashed as being out dated.

The U.N. should help get the non-Muslims out of Eygpt while they are still alive. The same goes for any other nation confronting jihad against the majority Muslims.

The entire motivation is staying alive by submitting to Islam. Trust me Islam is not like any other ideology in the world. Its goal is to dominate the world, not to be good neighbors with others.

Another Example of the Fruits of "Arab Spring" ... ie a Christian Diaspora:

http://www.christiannewstoday.com/Christian_News_Report_900171.html

CAIRO, EGYPT -- In a pattern that follows the exodus of Christians from several Middle Eastern countries, a new report says that at least 100,000 Coptic believers have left Egypt in recent months, especially since the uprising which resulted in the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak.

According to Mary Abdelmassih, writing for www.aina.org - the Assyrian International News Agency -- the Egyptian Union of Human Rights Organizations (EUHRO) has published a report on emigration of Christians from Egypt, saying that nearly 100,000 Christians have emigrated since March 2011.

The report, which was sent to the Egyptian cabinet and the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF), warned that this emigration has been prompted by the escalating intimidation and attacks on Christians by Islamists.

"Copts are not emigrating abroad voluntarily," said Naguib Gabriel, the director EUHRO, "they are coerced into that by threats and intimidation of hard line Salafists, and the lack of protection they are getting from the Egyptian regime."

Egypt: "How have Copts become so unprotected in their own country? Why is it so easy to kill over a dozen of us in a protest while those who stormed into the Israeli embassy were not even harmed?"
............................

So sad that this is a serious question. It is because the Copts are Infidels, and Muslims do not believe that Infidels have any place in a Muslim country—except as a threatened and cowed minority.

And those who stormed the Israeli embassy? Good and pious Muslims, threatening Jews.

Dhimmitude is *all about* keeping Infidels "unprotected in their own country".

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