Exec for Nashville's Hutton Hotel confirms that it canceled anti-jihad conference over threats of violence from Islamic supremacists

Confirming yet again that terrorism works, and that all too many Americans no longer have the courage of their forefathers to defend liberty at whatever cost. Islamic supremacists threatened the hotel over our conference, and the hotel immediately gave in to their violent intimidation. "Conference on Islam canceled as hotel fears head-bashing: Corporate exec reacted to warning 'protests could erupt into violence,'" by Art Moore for WorldNetDaily, October 24:

For the second time in less than a week, a major U.S. hotel has canceled an agreement to host an event on radical Islam's threat to America's freedoms, due to threatening messages to management.

The Preserving Freedom Conference, scheduled for Nov. 11 at the top-rated Hutton Hotel in Nashville, Tenn., features Robert Spencer, author of 10 books about Islam and director of Jihad Watch, and Pamela Geller, a WND columnist, editor of the blog Atlas Shrugs and author of the book "Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance." WND is a co-sponsor of the conference.

Steve Eckley, senior vice president of hotels for Amerimar Enterprises in Denver – the Hutton Hotel's managing corporation, told WND it was his decision to cancel the event.

Eckley said he "wasn't exactly sure what the content of the program was," but he explained that he canceled it because of the threat of physical harm to people at the hotel.

"They were veiled threats that there were going to be protests that could easily erupt into violence," he told WND in a telephone interview.

Sessions planned for the conference include "The European Experience" with Shariah, "Religious Persecution Under Shariah," "The Dehumanization and Diminishment of Women in the West Under Shariah," "The Muslim Brotherhood In America" and "Fighting Islamist Propaganda in the Media."

Spencer and Geller are co-founders of the activist group Stop Islamization of America, which helped lead opposition to the so-called Ground Zero mosque in New York City.

As WND reported last week, the Hyatt Place Hotel in Sugar Land, Texas, near Houston, canceled a tea party event featuring Geller after complaints reportedly by the [Hamas-linked] Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR. The D.C.-based Islamic group has sued the co-author of a WND Books expose, "Muslim Mafia," which documents CAIR's founding as a front for the Muslim Brotherhood, the parent of terrorist groups such as al-Qaida and Hamas....

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And Islam is only 0.8% of American population? What's another word for "uppity"?
Are they factoring in Nation of Islam?

What will it be like when they're 2%? Open warfare? Blood in the streets? We'd better review our immigration policy. Shame on Nashville Hutton. I'd never stay there.

OK, where is the FBI on this? It has happened twice now. How many times must this sort of thing continue before there is some sort of reaction from law enforcement? What does the sheriff's office have to say about keeping the peace? There was the wall street protests and the police were out in force to monitor the situation. Why could not the police mingle with the protestors to see if this is a conspiracy? I think it is!!

How about this, get a symathetic hotel to announce a big conference with the regular cast of characters, contact the FBI to monotor the threatning calls. Bust um Dano!

Muslims called the hotel with their usual "religion of peace" death threats and the hotel folded.

This is happening in America? I can't help but think of what happened in Germany - Nazis. Islam - 21st century Nazism.

yes we are in 1939 again.

Stand against totalitarianism, against sharia totalitarianism.

I called and left a message.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller (1892-1984)

Is this really Hutton's corporate policy: Hey, lets punish the people who are NOT responsible for the threats. And lets give a complete pass to those actually threatening our property, staff and guests by not even reporting these to the authorities.

At a minimum emails are traceable; letters can be forensically investigated; telephone calls also can be sourced.

Our reaction to the threat is more important than the threat itself. We need to resist this bold outragious act, by contacting your State Representative.

"I have been made victorious with terror" Sahih Bukhari 4.52.220
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-OMl4huCk4

I am skeptical. It's too convenient. There's no way to vet the threats unless the recipient(s) decide to do so.

It's a win-win for the Muslims who want to demand acknowledgement that Islam is peaceful and the hotel as appeasing only under the threat of duress from same peaceful Muslims.

FYI.. Niemöller was a Communist himself..

It's too bad the Nazis didn't kill him

Please Mr. Custer, I don't wanna go
Listen, Mr. Custer, please don't make me go
There's a redskin a'waitin' out there, just fixin to take my hair
A coward I've been called cuz I don't wanna wind up dead or bald

Well, it didn't work out to well for Custer, but that was because Dustin Hoffman sent him in the wrong direction...He didn't want to go either...
These hotel managers have a case of
the same cowardice as the whiner in the song...
Since the managers will always worry about the safety of their guests and employee's, maybe hotels are not good venues for these events...

First they came for my hotel guests and I said nothing. Because I didn't want any trouble.

And then they came for me.

Thank god this coward wasn't operating the Hôtel des Mille Collines in Rwanda.

Not just coward but abject coward. There would have been no violence.

duh_swami said:

These hotel managers have a case of
the same cowardice as the whiner in the song...
Since the managers will always worry about the safety of their guests and employee's, maybe hotels are not good venues for these events...
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Well, maybe after all it is a good venue. The more the Religion of Peace threatens, and the more we make it public in all main newspapers and blogs, the more the American public will have awareness and stand against them. In a sense they are shooting themselves in the foot, and we should provoke and provoke and provoke them until something major happens.

In the hotel's defence, one must think of what might have happened: the event took place, there were violent demonstrations, some hotel guests got hurt. Then the guests sue the hotel, and in our cock-eyed legal system, the courts find the hotel liable and it has to pay a big settlement. Meanwhile those who really caused the damages and injuries -- the Moslem vandals -- don't pay anything.

They're here. The savages that is. I see little hope for America's long term future if this continues.

It really would not surprise me if the Southern Poverty Law Center monitors this site and craps in the punchbowl whenever RS/PG announces an appearance or conference. We're all Tim McVeighs to them. SPLC ignores killings and attempted killings by muslims in the USA. A nice little business the SPLC has grown.

" A nice little business the SPLC has grown ".

I was thinking along those lines earlier.

The Southern moral Poverty Law Center has listed Spencer, Geller, Horowitz, and others, as " hard core activists ", on their web page.

I doubt that they'll have anything to say about this latest attack on freedom of speech.

But if it were an American Communist Liberties Union event that were canceled because of threats, that would be a different story.

Maybe we should call the organization by its proper name: Southern Impoverished Law Center.

Look what SIPLC's soul mate (Abe Foxmam / ADL) is trying to organize:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4139173,00.html

No discussion about turning these threats over to law enforcement authorities yet.

That should have been the very first step (step I)even before Steve Eckley made his decision to become sharia compliant and cow-tow down to the threats by Islamists instead of standing up for America's most precious amendment that hundreds of thousands of Americans have died for in efforts to preserve and protect this republic.

Bullies and cowards.

Even Juan Williams "gets it". Sort of.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/10/25/one-year-since-npr-fired-me-what-are-lesson-learned/

And since the Obamullah and his wazir Holder have ordered all references to Islam removed from FBI training manuals, what is the agency to be expected to do about threats by Muslims against citizens of this country? One more step on the road to censorship. I'm told that can't possibly happen, that Congress and the courts will block it. I hope that is true, because razor sharp pendulum seems to be descending at an ever faster rate.

(Guess I'm just in that sort of ghoulish mood because it's October and I live next door to Salem, MA.)

This is such BS for these threats of violence to not be prosecuted. I am planning on attending and I am so glad I have not reserved any flights, cars, or other travel arrangements, since I'm coming from Michigan. These threats should not be tolerated under any circumstances. God help the USA.

"God help the USA."

Have you considered, this could be God's judgment on America?

I sent Mr Gerald Marshal the following link to a video by Pat Condell:

http://www.therightscoop.com/awesome-pat-condell-on-islamic-cultural-terrorism/

I really hopes he watches it and listens to it very carefully...

Robert, here are images from the Ansar al-Mujahideen forum that affirm that there is an al-Qaidah presence in Libya. The al-Qaidah themselves affirm it with images, although the faces are blurred.

http://arrahmah.com/read/2011/04/22/12011-mujahidin-al-qaeda-di-libya.html

I'd look at the pictures, they seem authentic to me.

Prophet of Islam, Muhammad said: {أنا نبي الرحمة أنا نبي الملحمة}

"I am the Prophet of Mercy and the Prophet of Slaughter." (Musnad Ahmad)

One in White House is enough to destroy America !!!!

I like this site and have learned a lot about Islam's ways, but I disagree with you on this one.

No company is legally obligated to put their customers and/or facilities in harm's way for any reason. Of this, the hotel has a real fear. You can't blame them for putting the aforementioned at a higher priority.

What needs to be done is to investigate those who made the threats. E-mail isn't as anonymous as people think. Most traffic on the Internet is traceable. If the threats came by phone, all the easier to trace. If they refuse to bring this to the attention of law enforcement, then they should be pilloried.

Niemoeller was NOT a communist. In the postwar years he did repent of his former nationalist sentiments, and he was anti-war, but he was not a communist.

"For the second time in less than a week, a major U.S. hotel has canceled an agreement to host an event on radical Islam's threat to America's freedoms, due to threatening messages to management."

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Just imagine the media and law enforcement whoopla that would have ensued had the hotel been threatened to cancel an Islamic event by members of the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Sikh, etc. communities...

CAIR and the other usual suspects would be screeching bloody murder and bullying the useful-idiot-regulars to go to bat for them. Disgustingly most would bend right over and unthinkingly oblige. But in this case the media and law enforcement are predictably nowhere to be seen or heard...

You're exactly right with your analysis. The private sector in America is in many legal ways, though not all, not held to the same standards as the public sector is. The focus should not be first and foremost on the hotel management (though neither should it be absolved, at least ethically speaking, of cravenness) but rather on the federal government respecting the imperative of investigating the alleged threats.

Islam needs to shut up people. It has to. It's so totalitarian and so ridiculous that it cannot allow free speech, an open inquiry of it tenets. It dare not. Quite a contrast to all other major religions which CAN tolerate those who would oppose them, who would question their doctrines. Telling and damning indeed, at least for those who can still really think for themselves (unfortunately, in this silly PC/MC age we live in, this will exclude a hell of a lot of people).

Any objective assessment of Islam must lead to the conclusion that it is bad news for liberty and antithetical to that richest of intelligences---common sense. And that's why, when Islam finds once again that it can only persuade the weak minded, it must turn to threats to silence those who are blissfully ignorant or who are made of stronger stuff. Pathetic but oh so Islamic.

The savages came to north america with the christians and columbus

If it's too much to read just look at this: http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Articles/shariah/shariahintroduction.html

There was an individual who wanted book recommendations on Islam, I forgot to recommend the sources of Legislation! The Hadith of Sunan Abu Dawood, Ibn Majah, Tirmidhi, Bukhari, Muslim, an-Nasai. They are the most popular are earliest collections. They're in english, if you want to find the REASONS for why the Shari'ah says what it does you'll need these Hadiths, if you have "Islamic law" books but don't understand the reasons or example (Sunnah) for them, then it's not really Shari'ah it's just an opinion of jurisprudence (fiqh) the Shari'ah is the law as codified in Qur'an whereas the Islamic law books (fiqh) are simply opinions on interpretation of the clear evidences of Shari'ah (daleel). Here's an example, Wudhu is practiced by all Muslims, say for instance "one school" says that Wudhu is not allowed before eating, but "the other school" says it's not allowed to eat before eating but you can do it "during" your consumption of food, thus although they have an "agreement" they still have a slight variation in their fiqh rulings, Shari'ah is the clear commandments whereas the Fiqh is clearing up the "fog" along the "waterway".

If it's too much to read just look at this: http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Articles/shariah/shariahintroduction.html

The savages came to north america with the christians and columbus

Redirect:

Th savages come to North Africa with the moslems and the Ayyubids (Saladdin).

Oh, please re-indoctrinate us ignorant JWers with your Harvard/Yale/Al Azhar PhD on World History.

I can't wait to hear about all those stories of Native Americans (the "First Nation to our Canadian brothers) killing all the 'evil white devils'.

Go ahead. I've plenty of beer and popcorn.

"Have you considered, this could be God's judgment on America?"

As a practical matter, I refuse to entertain that line of thinking. Of course, one can in one's prayer life benefit from considering such an idea, but in the world of governance such introspection could lead to fatal indecision. We MUST know good from evil, and we MUST stand with and for what is good and in opposition to evil.

Besides, could not every historical evil, including Nazism, be considered God's judgement? And carried to extreme, could not such an attitude to a 'if God wills it' passivity that prevents opposition to evil?

If people want to use this line of thinking to connect their personal sins to the evils in this world and to impress upon themselves a need to repent, fine. Some of the best religious writers have done this. But if this thinking begins to influence public policy then we need to oppose it. We need to be as clear-eyed as possible about the threats we face.

"Steve Eckley, senior vice president of hotels for Amerimar Enterprises in Denver – the Hutton Hotel's managing corporation, told WND it was his decision to cancel the event."

It would appear some investigative journalism might be in order regarding Mr. Eckley, among other things to find out if any money changed hands accompanying this decision.

Here is a copy of the fax I sent to Steve Eckley/the Hutton Hotel at 9:00 AM on Oct. 25:

Dear Mr. Eckley:
This morning I received news that, after your hotel had received a number of letters and threatening phone calls regarding the Preserving Freedom Conference that was scheduled for November 11 of this year, you cancelled it.
As a result, the next time I visit the Nashville area, I will not be staying at your hotel and I will be advising all of my friends and relatives to do likewise.
Here in America when someone calls you and threatens you and/or your property and/or your business and/or your employees and/or your customers, you call the police or the FBI. You don’t cave to the callers’ demands or threats; giving in to a bully only encourages more bullying.
The people who made those phone calls and wrote those letters are acting just like the mafia; they were, in essence, telling you, “Hey Mr. Eckley. Nice hotel you’ve got there. Would want anything to happen to it, to your employees or to your customers would you? Then you better do what we tell you to.”
I would bet that if you received threatening calls and letters about an event scheduled at your hotel involving CAIR, ISNA, MSA or some other front group for the Muslim Brotherhood supporting and promoting Islam and sharia in America, you would not hesitate to call the police and/or the FBI.
This is about freedom of speech. The Muslims are determined to eradicate freedom of speech in order to prevent good people like Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, etc. from telling the truth about Islam; the Muslims are as afraid of non-Muslims learning the truth about Islam as a vampire would be of daylight.
By canceling this event, you are aiding the Muslims in their efforts to eradicate freedom of speech (remember the Constitution and the First Amendment?), aiding them in achieving their greater goal of the Islamization this country, and making your hotel sharia compliant. And sharia (Islamic law) is completely incompatible with our Constitution, with all of our laws and with all the principals upon which our great country was founded.
We are at war with Islam. By canceling this conference, you are aiding the enemy; perhaps you should consider the implications of that.


Anyone who says or writes "God help us" or "This could be God's judgement on America..." is delusional. Islam is a fact and part of reality; God is neither.
If we are going to defeat Islam, we need to have both feet firmly planted in reality - not one foot in reality and the other in Disneyland.

Here's a sample of the reaction to this incident on the "progressive" blogs:

Congratulations are in order for Hutton Hotel for not allowing the "hillbilly bigots" from spewing hate at their "paranoia party" in Nashville. Steve Eckley is a courageous hero for standing up for tolerance, diversity and religious freedom.

I believe Einstein had it right when he hypothesized about a parallel universe...

Just thinking out loud...

Could those "veiled threats" really have been friendly calls from someone in the Obama camp advising of their disapproval? Could that be why the dissembling Mr. Eckley won't take it to the authorities, while relying on the (very believable) "threats" as his cover story?

I can't believe I'm even thinking something like that. But this pro-islamic outfit we have in power has shown that almost anything is possible. And, somehow, I smell a rat with this guy Eckley...

'Anyone who says or writes "God help us" or "This could be God's judgement on America..." is delusional. Islam is a fact and part of reality; God is neither.'

What kind of an idiot comes on this site and says something so stupid? Along with freedom of speech we also enjoy freedom of religion in this country and as compadres here in the fight against Islam we generally try to respect each other's differences and get along, otherwise I'd tell you that you're a total dumb shit for not believing in God.


Wild Jew, couldn't agree with you more.

SPLC has a blacklist. I shouldn't be surprised.

Maybe CAIR and SPLC are using threats of boycotts to scare off these hotels ("There are 15 billion muslims in the world..."). Their spies probably attended a recent RS conference (the one in D.C.?) and decided to silence him.

Someone get a lawyer to sue CAIR and SPLC for stalking or something. Maybe alert the Civil Rights Division of DoJ that a gross attack on freedom of speech and freedom of assembly is happening. Oh, wait. DoJ surely monitors this site, too, so I think I just alerted them myself.

I am disappointed in the decision to cancel the event and believe the corporation is cowardly, however I am not convinced this happened for the reason stated. What's worse, that they caved because of threats of violence or because of financial ties to sharia finance?

We have only Mr. Eckley's word that there were some "veiled threats" that protests might result in violence, but he claimed they were not attributable to Muslims or any group. He claimed that emails and phone calls allegedly were received but they were not reported to the police. At another point he suggested that the event was cancelled because Spencer and Geller have incited violence at previous meetings, which is a lie, as far as I know. At another point I read at Atlas Shrugs that he suggested the dynamic duo are extremist anti-Muslims as described by the ADL and SPLC and that was the reason the event was cancelled.

I'm not convinced there ever really was a threat of physical violence or that there was any organized protest to the event which might have become unpleasant, let alone violent.

However, what we do know for a fact is that Hutton Hotel's parent company, Amerimar Enterprises, has hosted a conference, Transnational Life Insurance 2010 at it's London hotel, St. Ermins, which included a session on UK Sharia-Compliant Life Insurance, by Muhammad Khan ( from PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP (PwC) http://www.primeadvisorygroup.com/downloads/kw5138-transnational-life-insurance-pad.pdf

This connection is also mentioned by William J. Murray, organizer of the "The Constitution or Sharia: Preserving Freedom Conference," in an article in which he expresses his disgust and concluded: "If the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) scheduled a conference at the Hutton, its management would never bow to pressure and cancel the event because the hotel is joined at the hip with Sharia in London. The Hutton is in effect saying that Christians and Jews who are concerned about the imposition of Sharia in this country are not allowed to speak out."http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/4741018086.html

We also know that Britain is now a world-leader in sharia banking - according to Melanie Phillips http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1141087/Britains-world-leader-sharia-banking--havent-grasped-sinister-dangerous-implications.html#ixzz1brok87sA

Just sayin'

V'Imru Amen. It seems as if someone's been reading the Nevi'im.

Long ago, when I was young and had all my hair, a bearded, skull-capped fellow buttonholed me on the street about a certain observance. He was a Lubavitcher Chasid asking me if I was Jewish, and if I planned to observe Tisha B'ov. I had to politely inform him that I was Jewish only according to Hitler (many cities rejoiced at that evil man's passing, as it says in the Proverbs) and Karaite tradition (wrong side of the family)--even if I will identify myself as a Jew when there's an anti-Semite in the room. I further said that as a Christian, I believed M'shiach had already come, and, with all due respect, was not Meir Schneersohn.

But I've thought about what Tisha B'ov means because of that encounter, and ever since have read Jeremiah and Lamentations with a little more appreciation.

Those of us who believe that God has spoken in the Scriptures know that God's grace can sometimes be pretty severe on those to whom God wishes to be gracious, and that the divine hand can work even through those who scoff at truth and bow to idols (cf. Isaiah on the Assyrians). Hence, I've often wondered if the moral cowardice affecting our country at the top and in major institutions and the corresponding assaults from the truly hateful are not a similar judgment on our "almost chosen nation" (old Abe Lincoln had quite a few Calvinist bats still slitting about in his belfry, no matter what Sandburg and others say about him).

And, yes, Isabella, I agree that there are people running around who do ignore the highest reality around. They think they can measure the ocean in an eyedropper, or know everything when they've only been working their way along one greasy ridge left by the divine fingerprint.

然地,请回到欧洲去。

Randy, please go back to Yurrup.

Good sleuthing, Jamadagnii. It appears that the hotel management may be using its apparently pro-Muslim sentiments to discriminate against customers with political views it finds distasteful. Aside from being discriminatory, this is bad business ethics.

There must be some kind of professional hotel organization to which Hutton Hotel or its parent chain is a member. Besides raising a public stink about this unjustified action, a formal complaint should be registered against both the hotel and the manager making this decision. Get in on the official record.

I quite agree with your suggestion that hotels might not be quite appropriate. Hotel managers do have a duty to protect their guests, their employees not to mention a duty to stay in business. This manager was placed in a terrible position! Where the F___ is the law enforcement in all of this!?!

I'm going to ask Mr. Eckley what it feels like to be a grown up and still afraid of the boogeyman.

This is a manifestation of Breivik fallout, something that I've been dreading ever since his manifesto cited members of the counter-jihad.


I understand "the man in the street" being fearful of these threats.
One serious problem is that the present Obama regime refuses to acknowledge the vast contribution of militant Islam (Islamism) to contemporary terrorism. Also just a few weeks ago Obama announced the formation of a new international anti-terrorism organization (my loose wording of the name of the organization) which was set up with - Guess Who - co-chairing it? Yes, of course it was TURKEY.....of course ! ? YES!

So for public establishments to duck the responsibility for permitting such conferences, although lamentable, is hardly surprising. There is no realistic back-up for the braver establishments from governmental sources - only the reversion to the euphemistic endorsement of "freedom of speech" which means freedom to permit the enemies of freedom of speech to reign supreme, with increasing menace to the fabric of the democracy of the USA.

Is this the same god that the christians believed in when they were stealing north america from the natives? I would have a hard time to believe in such a so called good god.

"Have you considered, this could be God's judgment on America?"

"As a practical matter, I refuse to entertain that line of thinking. Of course, one can in one's prayer life benefit from considering such an idea, but in the world of governance such introspection could lead to fatal indecision. We MUST know good from evil, and we MUST stand with and for what is good and in opposition to evil."

Mr Davis,

This is a brilliant response. I am a Christian, but I have always cringed when someone hints about God's Judgment. I believe in God and His Judgment, but do not believe in the sort of fatalism that would have us simply shrug and say, "It is the Will of God."

You are correct. We MUST know good from evil, and we must act on that discernment. I applaud you on your grasp of the matter and your masterful answer. I hope you will forgive me if I quote you extensively in correspondence and discusion

Samuel Schiller

Vis Superavi Ignarum

Randy, I don't know who this fellow "god" is that you keep talking about. But the true God sent a wonderful man, Fr. Pierre De Smet, to America to help and guide the Native American Indians and improve their way of life, and the Indians loved him for it. He raised their dignity. It was not God that was responsible for their abuse but our government.

You can read all about it in the excellent book, The Life of Fr. De Smet, by Fr. E. Lavielle, S.J. Fr. De Smet was born in Belgium but spent his entire adult life after the age of 20 helping the American Indians. It is estimated that he traveled on foot or by horseback over 100,000 miles to support and help them. He went back to Europe on visits something like eight times to ask his relatives and wealthy Europeans to contribute to his missions, and they did. In one story Fr. De Smet helped the Indians to establish a town. It's been a few years since I read this so I don't remember which state it was in, but it was more western, maybe Idaho, and Fr. De Smet taught the Indians how to build permanent homes, plant crops and develop an stable agricultural society instead of constantly picking up and moving. By all accounts this established area was successful until the government took the land away and gave it to settlers of European descent. But that was the government that did that, not God.

I would encourage you to get the book and read it. You can buy a used copy for as little as $5.00 on Amazon.com. It might make you feel better and it would definitely make you think, and you might be able to add details to your narrative about what Christians did to the Indians.

'I am a Christian, but I have always cringed when someone hints about God's Judgment. I believe in God and His Judgment, but do not believe in the sort of fatalism that would have us simply shrug and say, "It is the Will of God."'

Samuel, whenever we choose to commit sin, whose wages God tells us are death, it is not "the Will of God" that creates problems for us but our own selfish human will. My way or the highway is not conducive to having a peaceful society where everyone benefits. But God has shown us many times throughout history that we may change our future by turning back to Him and away from sin. Along with God's Judgment, which is a real thing if we believe what He says in the Gospel and also believe that He never lies, there is also His Mercy and He would much rather deal with us in a merciful way than a judgmental way. But, He gave us that amazing gift of freewill and promised that He wouldn't interfere with what we choose to do. He's there for us if we call Him but He will not force us to do His Will, no matter how personally detrimental to our well being our choices are. And we've made some real doozies, especially over the past 50 years.

I remember Billy Graham's sister speaking on a morning talk show right after 9/11 saying that God is a gentleman and that if we as a country asked Him to leave He would do it. And sometimes it appears that He has left. We've thrown Him out of our schools, (and look what happened to Madelyn Murray O'Hare,) out of public life and even out of our history that any dutiful young college graduate nowadays will tell you He was never in. We use His name in vain, in movies, TV shows and everyday life as if He was some joke. Do we really think that He will bless us, which seems to be what we expect, as we simultaneously blow Him off? No, Christ's admonition that everything will be repaid to the last farthing, otherwise known as what-goes-around-comes-around, is worth contemplating. The question should not be "What is God doing to us" but rather, "What are we doing to God, ourselves and our fellow man?" I believe that if we all take a good look at ourselves and how we affect other people and become willing to make positive changes for the good of our neighbors and our society, we could turn this mess around in a heartbeat. But that will require personal sacrifice and changing some of our most cherished beliefs, like the right to have sex without any consequences (what a joke) or that it's not okay to covet your neighbors wife/husband and then destroy a family by acting on it or that I deserve freebies from the government because someone was mean to my ancestors, or whatever my sin of choice is.

So, no, I don't believe in fatalism either, but that's not what this is about.


First there was proof that threat where make by the muslim against the hotel, Islamoprobes can just as easy make those threat saying they are muslim.

I mean on proof that muslim make any threat against the hotel.

the muslim arab savages came to india and murdered 80 million hindus.

Very good essay by Friedrich Hansen. Thanks for the link.

Defender, get real. CAIR's fingerprints are all over this and you know it. Just a matter of time before the link between the "threatening calls" and the Muslim Brotherhood is exposed. Stay tuned.

If he was a father, then he must have been catholic. The worst scum on earth. Was he forcing his goofy religion on the true north americans. Was he distracting them for the others to steal the land. Who would want to believe in this 30 yr old virgin or his sexually frustrated mother. All the abuse done to the canadian natives with the residential school system by mostly catholics can never be repaid. All christians should leave canada.

Hey, Dummy!

You need to learn some grammar, number one.
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Number two:

Please ask yourself:"Why would a person claiming to be a Muslim (who is not) call up to STOP a conference which could be, conceivably, viewed as ANTI-MUSLIM, or anti-jihadist, or anti-freedom of speech?"

You would be defeating your own purpose, wouldn't you?

Try to get ahold of some books on logic, Muslim, before you spout anymore nonsense.
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Oh, and by the way...why don't you ever respond to my posts?

Chicken?

Ahhh...ok, now the mask has slipped, huh Randy?

You wrote:

" Who would want to believe in this 30 yr old virgin or his sexually frustrated mother."

and...

"...All the abuse done to the canadian natives with the residential school system by mostly catholics..."
________________________________________________

So, you were abused by a Catholic priest, and now you use it as a Straw-Man argument against counter-jihadists who may or may not be Catholic?

Go see a therapist, Tonto, and stop shilling for the Islamic Supremacists.

Oh, and you have "Mommy Issues", too.

I sent this email to

Gerald Marshall
President & CEO - Amerimar Enterprises
Denver, CO

Mr. Marshall:

Your senior vice president, Steven Eckley, mentioned in his note to Lou Ann Zelenik of the Tennessee Freedom Coalition, regarding Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, that they have a history “of enraging people to the point of violence.”

So, if the words Geller and Spencer speak somehow “enrage” people (not identified by Mr. Eckley, but presumably he meant Muslims who telephoned the Hutton Hotel with threats of violence), then the words should not be spoken. Barring that, the speakers of the words should be shunned and disinvited from speaking. On that premise, then the First Amendment should be stricken from the Constitution. All speech is provocative, if not “enraging.” Right?

Geller and Spencer have an intimate knowledge of Islam and the Islamic mindset. They had planned to enlighten their auditors with that knowledge, and specifically to discuss the perils of Sharia Law and its slow insinuation into American jurisprudence. Islam is more an ideology than it is a religion; Sharia law violates the rights of women and men. It is a primitive, tribalistic code that can be questioned only at the risk of death, torture, or disfigurement. That is a fact demonstrated countless times not only in Muslim countries, but here in the United States. Or have you not read of all the “honor” killings of girls and women who stray from or violate the Islamic faith?

Finally, allow me to remind you of a few “speakers” who “enraged” others. Patrick Henry. Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Paine. Winston Churchill. Where would you be without their “enraging” speech? The irony is that when Geller and Spencer speak, no Muslim need listen, nor were any expected to be in their audience at the Hutton Hotel. The action taken by Mr. Eckley, however, saves CAIR and its affiliated Hamas-linked jihadist organizations the risk of being called censors. Instead, Mr. Eckley is serving as their proxy censor to accomplish the same end – the censorship of Geller and Spencer.

Regards,

David, you hit the nail on the head. Randy doesn't give a flying flip about Native Americans after all, as Fr. De Smet clearly did the opposite of what he is accusing everyone here of doing. He sounds to me like he is possessed, and very, very bitter. We should have pity on him and pray for his soul.

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