Fatah leader: 1967 borders would mean end of Israel, but "keep it to yourself"

"Everybody knows that the greater goal cannot be accomplished in one go." On the contrary, Hamas is impatient. Islamic Jihad is impatient. But in any case, they all have the same goal.

"Fatah Central Committee Member Abbas Zaki Calls Netanyahu and Obama 'Scumbags' and Says: 'The Greater Goal Cannot Be Accomplished in One Go,'" from MEMRI, September 23 (thanks to Sam):

Following are excerpts from an interview with Abbas Zaki, member of the Fatah Central Committee, which aired on the Al-Jazeera network on September 23, 2011.

Abbas Zaki: The settlement should be based upon the borders of June 4, 1967. When we say that the settlement should be based upon these borders, President [Abbas] understands, we understand, and everybody knows that the greater goal cannot be accomplished in one go.

If Israel withdraws from Jerusalem, evacuates the 650,000 settlers, and dismantles the wall – what will become of Israel? It will come to an end.

[...]

Who is nervous, upset, and angry now? Netanyahu, Lieberman, and Obama... All those scumbags. Why even get into this? We should be happy to see Israel upset.

[...]

If we say that we want to wipe Israel out... C'mon, it's too difficult. It's not [acceptable] policy to say so. Don't say these things to the world. Keep it to yourself....

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Abbas Zaki: The settlement should be based upon the borders of June 4, 1967. When we say that the settlement should be based upon these borders, President [Abbas] understands, we understand, and everybody knows that the greater goal cannot be accomplished in one go.

If Israel withdraws from Jerusalem, evacuates the 650,000 settlers, and dismantles the wall – what will become of Israel? It will come to an end.
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This is what *all* the "Palestinians" want—what all Muslims want. Beyond this, just is just a disagreement over tactics...

At 1:38, the lunatic in the video says:

"America, the Quartet - you promised. You turned out to be liars."
_____

Obama reaps what he has sown.

This brings up a strange issue again that I have noticed - Obama is spoken of with contempt and hatred by this guy and by jihadis all around. They HATE the drones and (correctly) blame Obama. Yet many well-informed posters here also have nothing good to say about Obama viz Islam and his handling of the war against the devout Muslims over there.

So why is it that there seems to be one thing that JW-ers and jihadis can agree on - that Obama sux and is doing everything possible to hurt (each of) their (opposing) sides?? It's a conundrum if you ask me...

The only positive note I can carry away from watching this chimp's words is that Muslims are returning to a more "honest" espousal of their true goal and desire: Extermination of an "infidel" nation and the genocide of its people.

I am not very religious, but this trend sure makes me ponder heavily the words enshrined in the Book of Ezekiel, Chapter 48.

People, I came across this Daniel Pipes article from 1990. It's interesting to read this, 11 years before 9/11:

http://www.danielpipes.org/198/the-muslims-are-coming-the-muslims-are-coming

I went and had a look at that article.

Oh. dear. god.

It's extraordinary.

On the one hand, he quoted people who were worried about Jihad and Muslim immigration; he even acknowledged that there may be some cause for their fears; but then he proceeded to pooh-pooh or at least to play down those fears!

Twenty years later, we know that those who worried about violent Jihad assailing the West, and those who worried about the pernicious effect of Muslim immigration and the expanding, aggressive Muslim colonies in Europe and elsewhere (and who guessed that the USA would not be immune) were right. If anything, it's turned out even worse than they feared.

http://schnellmann.org/therer-is-a-battle-being-waged-in-america.html
(video) THERE IS A BATTLE BEING WAGED IN AMERICA
05:00 Palestine is a Roman name for the region around the Jordan river (British Mandate of Palestine 1922-1948)
--- It means Philistine

7:50 Imam Yusuf Al-Qaradawi "... Allah willing. The next time will be at the hands of the believers"

in other words: ISLAM WILL FINISH THE JOB
... THAT HITLER STARTED

the time has come for peace!

Clinton Throws Jerusalem Under the Bus

http://sheikyermami.com/2011/10/02/clinton-throws-jerusalem-under-the-bus/

FOX Parrots Arab Propaganda: “Occupied East Jerusalem”

http://sheikyermami.com/2011/10/03/fox-parrots-arab-propaganda-“occupied-east-jerusalem”/

FOX News found an interesting way to wish a Happy Rosh HaShanah to its politically conservative Jewish viewers . . . by designating Jerusalem as “Jewish-occupied territory.”

Over the weekend, FOX News Chief Roger Ailes gave an interview in which, among other things, he said that FOX News is veering away from its conservatism to become more “mainstream” and “moderate.” And, apparently, part of that new era of “moderation” is calling the capital of the Jewish State of Israel, “Occupied East Jerusalem,”on the eve of the Jewish New Year holiday.

Well on the other hand all talks about a "Palestinian" state are not in vain in my opinion.....

its realy the question about who outsmarts whoum....

If Israel can somhow get the "palestinans" off welfare it has won the war. So if the PA will agree to reliquish its "right of return" and remove refugee status from ALL "Palestinians" this would mean that they all will have to work for a living in their new West-Bank state.
Thus no wellfare = MUCH LOWER BIRTHRATE = End of threat

You wrote: the time has come for peace!

Care to unpack that statement a little more. What do you mean, exactly; and how do you think 'peace' can be achieved?

Just askin'

"If Israel can somhow get the "palestinans" off welfare it has won the war."

Foggeddaboudit!

How can you wean professional parasites off welfare?


Its their religion!

Unbelievers have to pay the jiziya with willing submission.

If they don't, its war.

well other Arabs dont live of welfare (mostly) and their birthrates are declining rapidly.....

If one can do the same for the "Palestinians" they will stop to breed in the hope of "destroying Israel through the wombs of their women" like Arafat sayed.....

And a "Palestinian state" would give Israel the posibility to play arbiter between Hamas and Fatah. I mean once they get their fiefdom the PA will mostly care about holding power while Hamas will try to take it....."DEATH TO ISRAEL" will then be forced to become the 3rd priority goal for the "Palestinians" 1st will be get money second support the faction in the power struggle that your clan supports....

Its a tugh game so I think that Pipes, Kramer and co are right when they want to give all the land east of the fence to Jordan. The most important thing is to remove the "refugee status" and the welfare check that comes with it, the "Palestinians" may still demand Jizia but if the West dosnt pays it they will have (after a lot of yelling and flag burning of course) start to work for a living and stop having endless amounts of children and dreaming about "DEATH TO ISRAEL"....

Thats the only way to peace (the other option is DEATH TO ISRAEL, but I think that even after the Jews are thrown into the sea the tribal hordes of Hamas, Fatah and co will fight a´long war for the riches of the Jews (while destroying most of it in the process, but even 10% of what the Jews built in this desert would be heaven for them).

I don't think it's that puzzling, IMF, that jihadists and those who cherish liberty are both angry at Obama. The former group thinks that Obama hasn't done enough for Islam and the latter group thinks he hasn't done enough against Islam. He's muddling along somewhere in the middle and while sometimes muddling through a problem is the optimum approach (the British were masters at this) it isn't here.

Speaking as one who cherishes liberty, Obama is the antithesis of the kind of President America and all the West needs. What is needed here is an American Chief Executive who truly understands Islam and is prepared to speak and act accordingly, rather like Geert Wilders has been doing in The Netherlands or, I'm certain, Winston Churchill would were he still here. Yep, time for another Evil Empire speech by a President and we sure as hell aren't going to get that from Obama.

It would be better just to honor the orginal plan and make the land east of the Jordan river, Jordan, the home of the Palestinians and leave Israel alone as is.

Anybody who studies history and reads Koran knows that Arabs were never interested in letting Israel and Jews live in the Middle East. The current pretense of Fatah that they want "freedom for their people and own state" is another trick to get the gullible Westerners accept their way to destruction of Israel. It is a method of deception well established by Amin al Husseyni (Mufti of Jerusalem) who was the only high-ranking Nazi war criminal let go by the British and French because of the Arab oil and Mufti's skills in murder of his opponents, lies, delusional Jew-hatred and stealing money given for his people.

There IS already a Palestinian state, which was formed by the First Partition of Palestine in 1923. It is called JORDAN. Jordan then occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem when together with all other Arab nations attacked newly recognized country of Israel, which includes Jews and 20% of Arabs who did not flee from Israel in 1948.

Israel accepted the second partition in 1947, which gave it only a small part of the area West of Jordan, although it was promised by the Balfour declaration in 1917. Arab countries had attacked Israel with murderous desire to wipe Israel off the map in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 and then in various intifada causing numerous casualties in Israel. Since they realize that they cannot win militarily, they are trying the Mufti's methods of deception and pretense of democracy.

Israel would be nuts to allow another terrorist state on its side. The only solution that would insure the safety of Israel is to resettle Arabs from Gaza and the West bank in areas in Arab countries which were vacated by Jews around 1948. Those Jews, who were refugees in Israel for a few years until Israel settled them had left lands and property that far exceeds what Arabs had left in Israel. UN and Arabs are responsible for the mess that they had created and therefore need to solve it.

Concerning your 2nd paragraph, yes, like Enoch Powell. Pym Fortuyn. Geert.

I've come to the realization that many people just aren't capable of facing unpleasant reality. Others simply aren't intelligent enough to foresee an obvious future.

Also interesting how Pipes distanced himself from the title, "The Muslims are coming! The Muslims are Coming!" (in place of Russians, of course).

Yet, that's exactly what it is, and we've let them in. The colossal stupidity.

it is because of obama's policies and apparent weakness that gives these cretins more urge to speak out the truth.. here is something l came across about obama's record
A snapshot of Barack Obama:
* Son of far left-wing Political Activists. (Records available consist of confirmed 'Fraudulent Long Form Birth Certificate, and Purloined SSN.)
* Extensive history of association with left-wing extremists.
* Attended Occidental, Columbia and Harvard Law. (NO public records of any description available to confirm scholastic achievement.)
* Employed as ACORN Community Activist.
* In collaboration with William Ayers published two biographical books aggrandizing his personal image of himself.
* Zero public sector experience.
* Served in the Illinois Senate where his only noteworthy endeavor was his impassioned defense of the infanticide of children who had survived a blotched abortion.
* Elected to the US Senate after exposing his favored opponent for alleged marital indiscretions.
* Non-existent accomplishments as a US Senator, where he initiated his teleprompter campaign for the presidency after a brief few months in office.
* Zero Executive experience prior to his entry to the WH.
* Total absence of executive skills painfully evident in the 'Obama Jobs Depression' created by his destructive policies as president.
* Solyndra and LightSquared are but the 'Tip of the Corrupt Iceberg' unraveling in the Obama Administration.
* Repeatedly demonstrates a pro-Muslim bias.
* In an attempt to obfuscate his miserably failed record, pursuit of every divisive tactic imaginable to fracture his opposition.
* --- Barack Obama, undeniably, is the most incompetent American tragedy ever to pursue the presidency of the United States.

Faced with a LandSlide rejection of his pathetic stewardship, the question NOW broached by his supporters in recent commentary advocating: suspension of coming 2012 elections; curtailment of Constitutional freedoms; and, organized assault on Tea Party proponents, raises the very real specter of a WH occupant defying the expressed will of the American electorate. Greg Neubeck

By the way things are not THAT hopeless.....
even the "pope of Islam" Qaradawi has understood that the West will just not give enough Jizia for them to qonquer the world....and the DEATH TO AMERICA yellings and the suicide bombings will not do the trick either....

If they want to be something other then a laughing stock and a nuiciance theyl have get off their lazy a...ses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W2bg0GsrSA
´Well on the other hand, a rich and hard working people dosnt necesary mean a peacefull one, actualy such peoples are the only dangeouros once if they want to go to war (see Germany 1914 or China today)..... while lazy barbarians like todays Muslims are only a nuiciance, of course Qaradawi wants to change that....

Israel partly to blame for growing isolation in region, says US

The United States has delivered an unusually blunt critique of Israel's foreign policy by claiming that Benjamin Netanyahu's government was partly responsible for its growing isolation in the region.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8804213/Israel-partly-to-blame-for-growing-isolation-in-region-says-US.html

Israel is not going to reteat to 1967 borders, period (but keep it to yourself :-).

* Elected to the US Senate after exposing his favored opponent for alleged marital indiscretions"

Actually,that lightening STRUCK TWICE in the SAME RACE for him.

The frontrunner in the 2006 Democratic Primary in Illinois for that Senate Seat was a WEALTHY Businessman named Blair Hull.
Sealed Divorce records of Blair Hull found their way into Chicago MSM(I believe the Chicago Tribune first published LEAKED Sealed documents))and Hull dropped like a rock while Obama SOARED and he won a 6-way primary.

Then the SAME THING HAPPENED with his SERIOUS Republican
Opponent ,Jack Ryan,who DROPPED OUT to save his kids pain.
Ryan ,very likely ,could have BEATEN HIM.
The LEFT wiped their feet on the institution of SEALED Legal Documents.

How do I provide a link to this video in other forums?

It is Muhammad's doctrine of tagiyya.

Someone ask him to define what the greater goal is . . .

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