Raymond Ibrahim: Tunisian Elections and the Road to the Caliphate

Tunisia, where the 2011 Arab uprisings began, remains an ominous model for where these uprisings will end.

The nation’s first round of elections are in, and, as expected, the Islamist party, al-Nahda, won by a landslide, gaining over 40% of the seats in the national constituent assembly. As usual, the mainstream media, interpreting events exclusively through a Western paradigm, portrayed this largely as a positive development.

Thus, a Washington Post editorial, “Tunisia again points the way for Arab democracy,” asserts how “the country’s leading Islamic party claimed victory—and that, too, could prove a positive example.” Other reports, perfunctorily prefixing the word “moderate” to “Islamist”—an oxymoron to common sense, an orthodoxy to the MSM—gush and hail “democracy.”

Such sunny depictions are not mere products of Western projection but augmented by conniving Islamists who spoon-feed the world what it wants to hear. Thus, an MSNBC report, “Tunisia’s Islamists Seek to Reassure Secularists,” optimistically talks of how the Islamists “said they would share power and would not try to push through radical measures.”

Of course they did.

Meanwhile, despite these fantasies, the mood among seculars on Tunisian ground is one of dread and urgency. Wael Elebrady, host of the popular show Al Haqiqa, speaking to a correspondent in Tunisia soon after al-Nahda’s “sweeping victory,” confirmed that the Islamists have immense grassroots support, that they will have a major say in the formulation of laws (Sharia), and that, if the Western MSM is eating up Islamist talk of “sharing power,” the apparently outnumbered “liberals and secularists” are not.

Some reflections: First, among Arabic speaking nations, Tunisia has long been recognized as an especially “Westernized” nation, secular and liberal—at least in comparison to other Arab countries, and not unlike traditional Lebanon.

Now, if Islamists have risen to power in onetime “moderate” Tunisia, through the usual conduits—grassroots support, lip-service to democracy, promises of “sharing power,” and a complacent West—is there any doubt that Islamists will also takeover in those nations where they are especially entrenched, like Egypt and Libya?

Ali Akbar Velayati, top advisor of Iran’s Supreme Leader, accurately predicts that “the result of the election in Tunisia will positively affect regional developments. We will observe the victory of Islamists in future elections in Egypt and Libya.”

A Wall Street Journal report elaborates:

Tunisia’s small, well-educated and religiously moderate population could make it an unreliable metric for gauging the regional political changes that will follow. The Nahda Party distinguished itself as uniquely moderate when compared with other Islamist parties in the Arab world. Egyptian Islamists, who are led by an 83-year-old organization, the Muslim Brotherhood, in general take a stricter view of the role Islamic law, known as Shariah, should play in Egyptian governance.

Accordingly, not only are Islamists better positioned to come to power through elections in Egypt than Tunisia, but more critical consequences are sure to follow: peace with Israel will be contemptuously scrapped—once capability permits—and the suffering of Christian Copts, who are already under attack in a myriad of ways, will be institutionalized.

Yet the West remains transfixed before the words “democracy” and “elections.” Nice words, to be sure; but just as the generic word “terror”—as in “War on Terror”—provides absolutely no understanding of the ideas motivating Islamic terror, so too does the generic word “democracy” provide no understanding of the draconian, anti-infidel ideas the “will of the people” will establish—ideas encapsulated by one word: Sharia.

Consider the following excerpt from a Fox News report:

“I am the enemy of democracy,” Hesham al-Ashry said in an interview with Fox News in his Cairo tailor shop. The devout Muslim is a main organizer in a group called the Salafists, which is working to bring Shariah law to Egypt. They, along with the Muslim Brotherhood, have risen quickly in the past eight months to fill the power vacuum left in post-Mubarak Egypt.

Left unspoken is how they rose—and will continue to rise—to power: democracy, “people-power,” which al-Ashry gladly exploits, even as he is “the enemy of democracy.”

The report continues: “As for what’s next if al-Ashry and his followers get their way, ‘instead of one Iran …you have two.’”

Actually, “what’s next,” in the grand picture of things, not the myopia of the moment, is the resurrection of a Sharia-enforcing Caliphate and the ushering of a new age of conflict—an age when future generations will look back to their Western predecessors and see in them the sort of passive naivety that would make Neville Chamberlain look like Winston Churchill.

Raymond Ibrahim, an Islam-specialist, is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center and an Associate Fellow at the Middle East Forum. He writes a weekly column for Jihad Watch.
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Democracy means the people decide. You may not agree with them, but the will live with the consequences of their actions. If the Arabs want to form a caliphate, then that is their choice. The Arabs did not tell Americans whether they could form the United States, or the Europeans forming the EU. Let people decide their own fates, and as long as they stay on their side of the fence, then stay out of their affairs.

Judeo-Christians came up with the EU; Moslems are working hard to put back together the Ottoman Caliphate, with our assistance. But this time the goal is for the Caliphate to go global, not like the failed Turks, whose only major accomplishments were the permanent taking of lands in the Balkans and the Ko-Ranic slaughter of 3 million Armenians.

Raymond: this may come as surprise to you what I am about to post here. middleaterns with the exeption of Israel have zero expirience with democracy. the fact the tunisian elected an islamic goverment should be a welcoming matter fromfreedom. this is learning process fro them twoard a democracy. case in point is Iran here where I am from. eveyone supported the 1979 revolution looking for change. my self included.Iranian people have realized what this brutal idealogy called islam is. our people hate islam. the iranian government as you know is ruling by gus. it is a llaw of nature that they too will fall. I am 55 and I think before I am 60 they will be gone. it is utter chaos in iran and our people are fed up. once those a....are gone you eill then see a real democracy. the fact the tunisains elected an islamic government is excellent becuase they will sooner or later realize how brutal it is and they will get rid of it. there are two countries out there that are hopless: pakistan and saudi arabia. it is a rainy day here in NYC.
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"Secular", "Liberal" Guardian accuses secular parties in Tunisia of Islamophobia

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/25/tunisia-election-middle-east

This is not the West's paraded view of an Arab Spring leading them for a cry and movement for democracy. Look at the results. This so called Arab Spring is nothing less than an awakening of Islamic global Totalism. The black flag of jihad has come to fruition and is bursting on the scene.

History is repeating itself to a mostly blinded world.

@ReligionofPeas: Democracy means the people decide. You may not agree with them, but the will live with the consequences of their actions. If the Arabs want to form a caliphate, then that is their choice.

Yes, of course, democracy means "the people decide" and what they reap from their decisions is what they sow for their future. But what will an Islamic "democracy" sow? Will it be a constitutional government based on "human laws" protecting our personal freedoms and human rights? Or will it be government based on "Allah's laws" to trump those same rights? We know Sharia is totally antithetical to our modern freedoms and human rights, the evidence is clear from both their actions and texts, something we on JW reference endlessly. But will this knowledge make a dent in what the people decide in the Arab/Muslim elections? Or will it be trumped by Allah and his broad reaching Ulema? If the latter, then "democracy" in the Caliphate is merely an empty word.

Back before 911 there was little concern with Islamic government, Sharia, the Caliphate, Arab supremacism, etc. It was something happening "over there" and few bothered with learning what that was. Even when the internet was forwarding petitions to address the plight of women in Taliban controlled Afghanistan (before the war, a Liberal friend sent one to me), there was scant understanding how Islamic ideology repressed women down to the letter of text. We didn't care, even "romanticized" Arab culture as something exotic. (When young, I was gullible enough to enjoy traveling to Muslim lands, even liked it and found their 'antiquity' charming, their ways amusing, without prejudice.) But now that Islam is "over here" and banging on our door, we are forced to pay attention and seriously examine what is it all about. So to watch Tunisian "democracy" at work with a critical eye now makes sense, and many of us have become weary of what that vote for "moderate" Islamic Sharia will mean for the world, both them and us. If as feared the vote ushers in an anti-secularist bias on "rule of law", meaning they are against man-made laws but favor a theocratic political system, Sharia lite or otherwise, then the writing is on the wall. The world is headed away from natural human rights and drifting, at least a good portion of it, back into the enslavement of humanity, especially women, ruled by a primitive 7th century imperative where equality and democracy become meaningless words. Is this what you mean that it is "their choice"?

As things are going in the Arab Spring world, future internet petitions to right the wrongs committed against human beings, their loss of freedoms, their loss of equality of gender, equality before the law, their loss of right to belief and conscience, all these under ALLAH'S LAWS will become futile. Our chance to right this was now, and by then it will have been too late. Tunisians who are aware of this have cause to be concerned about this "road to the Caliphate", as should we all.

The Guardian is one of the most anti-Semitic media out there.

You cannot give the gift of democratic process to totalitarians and willing slaves. Democracy is for free people. These people have been robbed of the iron thumbs that kept others around them safer. Too bad if Muslims don't get to have an America. Dump your slave-thinking and you get to have your America.

Obama lied, people died.

ReligionofPeas wrote:

Democracy means the people decide. You may not agree with them, but the will live with the consequences of their actions. If the Arabs want to form a caliphate, then that is their choice. The Arabs did not tell Americans whether they could form the United States, or the Europeans forming the EU.
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Oh, good grief. This is *not* democracy, in the Western use of the word—this is just mob rule with a ballot box (for now).

A true democracy requires individual and minority rights, checks and balances on power—Shari'ah has none of this.

More:

Let people decide their own fates, and as long as they stay on their side of the fence, then stay out of their affairs.
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When have Muslims *ever* "stayed on their side of the fence" unless they were compelled to? And how would the formation of a Caliphate—which, infamously, alone has the power in Islam to wage full-on offensive warfare against Infidels—likely to enable their 'staying out of our affairs'?

Among other total nonsense, you also wrote: '.. and as long as they stay on their side of the fence, then stay out of their affairs.'

If they stayed on their side of the fence everything would, indeed, be wonderful. But Islam has already jumped the fence and is roaming around dar-al-Harb causing problems - 9/11, for instance! And your Al Qur'an doesn't say to 'stay on your side of the fence'. It says clearly that Muslims should force dar-al-Harb to surrender to Islam.

You're a clown!

"Fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief) in the land and there is Islam only."

No room for "moderate" or "secular". Only Islam.

There is no chance that a Muslim country will become democratic. Unless pigs fly over Mecca and crap on the Grand Mosque.

The thugocracies of Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Egypt are all in the running for the leadership of the new Global Caliphate. (Pakistan is probably too dysfunctional to lead anything.) The prize will go to the mob who are most aggressive towards Israel, which is probably why they're all working themselves up into a frenzy of Jew-hatred that makes the Hitler Youth seem like a Quaker Sunday school outing.

Democracy means the people decide. You may not agree with them, but the will live with the consequences of their actions.

You forgot to take two stops before the living with the consequences part:

1) Intranational - When Moslems fail to gain an exclusive right they demand by a free election, they consistently decline to live with the consequences of the election(s) that brought forth that failure.

2) International - When Moslems fail to gain what they want by the rules of international law, they consistently decline to live by all the democrat elections that brought those forth.

*** 66:2 ***

Both of these established historical patterns with Moslems are, to be sure, quite understandable:

Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.

Raymond, please don't take this the wrong way: I can't believe you wrote this!

It's 100% true, and An-Nahda are the moderate "Democratic" Islamists, there are non-democratic Islamists like al-Qaida, Hizb ut Tahrir and others that have a hold in Tunisia. If 40% support En-Nahda, 60% the seculars, then what about the unnamed "bad guys"?

Good going Ibrahim, this is one of your best pieces yet, I think.

"Moderate Tunisia":

Jihad is a precept of Divine institution. Its performance by certain individuals may dispense others from it. We Malikis maintain that it is preferable not to begin hostilities with the enemy before having invited the latter to embrace the religion of Allah except where the enemy attacks first. They have the alternative of either converting to Islam or paying the poll tax (jizya), short of which war will be declared against them. (Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani)

P.S. al-Qayrawani roughly means "the Tunisian".

OT.

Write a comment. Force the issue. Turn up the heat. Get this man fired:

http://kentwired.com/kent-state-professor-storms-out-during-pro-israeli-speech/

You're incorrect on Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are a Kingdom, and actually overthrew the briefly established "Sharifian Caliphate" in exchange for Monarchy. Also Saudi Arabia cracks down on supporters of the Caliphate all the time and speaks out against them.

If you look on youtube there are videos regarding the so called "Khawarij" (not the historical incident) and "Hizbiyoon" which essentially means anybody who promotes the Caliphate in the Islamic world, or who rebels against the Kingdom of Saud.

Some contradiction here, when you write:

"[..] middleaterns with the exeption of Israel have zero expirience with democracy. the fact the tunisian elected an islamic goverment should be a welcoming matter fromfreedom. [..] it is utter chaos in iran and our people are fed up. once those a....are gone you eill then see a real democracy."

People with zero experience in actual democracy (and the rule of law, I add) will magically turn out to be the standard bearers of civil society, freedom and democracy once the baddies are gone?

Aren't we forgetting one tiny little thing called Islam and Islamic culture? Think its just a coat people can wear and take off at their leisure?
Since you repeat the wishful thinking from the other thread, I feel free to respond in kind, by asking you again what those good people of Iran and Libya, Egypt and so on are going to do.

Will they leave Islam and become active apostates, leaving their Islamic culture behind in the dust where it belongs? For that's pretty much the only option if democracy and - even more important - the rule of law, are to stand any chance at all. Should that fantasy situation somehow materialize, you'd still have a nation replete with apostates who lack the cultural baggage necessary to prepare them for anything resembling a civil society.

Let's take some safer surroundings and move the focus to my own city. Here, in many inner city areas where the rule of law is de facto abolished because of local Islamic dominance, Muslims also see, as you put it, "real Islam and what it stands for". Now, in any Western society, the desire for change among Muslims you suppose to be present in their collective (sub)conscious, should be able to find an easier outlet than in a sharia republic, wouldn't you agree? But what do we see in reality? Muslims either leave and surrender the Islamic enclave to their activist brethren, or they stay and submit.

Dictators, popular uprisings, "liberation", bad mullahs, and so on.. they come in cycles and leave the land barren, like sandstorms. As long as Islam determines the cultural traits of a people, there's one allegedly "Arabic" numerical that closely approximates these wastelands' odds for democracy as we know it.

In short, "Islamic republic", a travesty. "Islamic democracy", an oxymoron. Islamic nations, waste-lands. A terrible waste of sand.

Kind regs from Amsterdam,
Sag.

Islam's goal in this new wave of jihad is to conquer the entire world; they speak of it quite openly. The caliphate will give Islam enormous strength toward that end.

arius:

The Caliphate is a means to the end goal of jihad which is to "make the word of Allah uppermost". Offensive jihad against non-Muslims can only be declared by the Caliph, not by groups like al-Qaeda and Hizb Tahrir. Which is one of many reasons they want to establish it.

Indeed, however if they get Calipate then it's our heads. Caliphate is the system of jihad.

Here is al-Mawardi's work "Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah" during the time of the Umayyad Caliphate: http://www.kalamullah.com/ahkam-sultaniyyah.html

I suggest reading about the "Amirate of Jihad" chapter in particular.

hi sag! I love your country and been there many times!!
let me try to convey my message another way.
Iran, syria, lybia, lebonan, you would never see one of them to strap a bomb. in Iran under the shah while freedom of speech was at zero percent, but there were other freedoms such a drnking, mini skirt, partying etc.. the other three countirs I mentioned here were the same. so now in Iran, while we supported this goverment and brought them to powoer in 1979 we had no idea what we were getting into. our government is islamst. islam is being forced down our throat by gun. in iran people hate Islam. i mean hate it. we learned a lesson from this that these other counties will be expieirncing as well. would they leave islam the answer to you question is NO. you must not forget that there are thousands of mulims of councios out there and many of them are in jail in iran and being toutured. but would iranian people tolorate another islamic government and the answer to this is NO. they are fed up with it. would they belive in allah yes they would. would they let allah in the government the answer is NO. it is like a catholic who is pro abortion. would he leave the shurch? probably not. religon as a whole is designed to make peoples lives miserable. we have a lot of problems here with christian religois groups trying to disrupt our freedom of speech here don't kid your self.
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Hi miriam -

Thank you for rephrasing and clarifying your beliefs and observations. I am not convinced (at all) about your attempt to equate the situation of Muslims who would somehow erect a functioning civil society while still in an Islamic culture, with a Catholic not leaving the Church while holding pro-abortion views. This is grossly misleading, for one, because of the historical fact that Western civilization owes a great deal to the (medieval) Catholic Church. It owes nothing to Islam or any Muslim.

An interesting little give away of sorts, lies in the following statement:

"religon as a whole is designed to make peoples lives miserable."

From this I gather - and I know this is the clichéd view held by the average Westerner, so please forgive me ;-) - that you are more or less inspired by some form of socialism, most probably of the revolutionary variety, no doubt cast and promoted as a "liberating" secular movement. If the answer is affirmative as I expect it will be, the chances for democracy based on individual, natural rights, are rapidly zeroing in on, well.. zero.

Here's the one single part of your answer that actually satisfied me:

"would they leave islam the answer to you question is NO."

Satisfied as in: that's enough to know.

Me thinks we should leave Islam in Muslim majority countries with the freedom to self-destruct. If they'd destroy local desert-style socialism in the process, I wouldn't loose that much sleep over it. In fact, I think I'd sleep even better ;-) My only interest is in the preservation of our way of life, here in the West. And with these "republicrat", welfare state progressivists still calling the shots, that's though enough as it is.

Anyone Muslim currently occupying valuable space in any Western nation can't be excused for not knowing what terrible example this so-called "prophet" institutionalized in Islamic scripture as the role-model par excellence. For a Muslim to say that one is eager to follow Mohammed's example means to declare oneself to be willingly part of the system of Islam, and in that capacity to be an existential enemy of liberty as we know it.

Islam is a parasitical system, a debilitating disease carried and spread by Muslims ("moderate" or activist), and Westerners should resolutely decline to play host any longer. What Muslims do for society in countries currently deemed "Muslim majority" nations, I have not the slightest bit of care in the world.

Kind regs from Amsterdam,
Sag.

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"Offensive jihad against non-Muslims can only be declared by the Caliph, not by groups like al-Qaeda and Hizb Tahrir."

I'm not sure this is entirely correct.
Offensive Jihad (here i mean striking targets outside of the Muslim World) can be declared in order to drive the infidels out of the Arabian Peninsula. (like Osama Ben Laden did).

Also, according to the Hamas Charter, any former muslim land can be attacked for reconquest, which is defacto Offensive Jihad.

"Article Eleven: The Strategy of Hamas: Palestine is an Islamic Waqf
The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine has been an Islamic Waqf throughout the generations and until the Day of Resurrection, no one can renounce it or part of it, or abandon it or part of it. No Arab country nor the aggregate of all Arab countries, and no Arab King or President nor all of them in the aggregate, have that right, nor has that right any organization or the aggregate of all organizations, be they Palestinian or Arab, because Palestine is an Islamic Waqf throughout all generations and to the Day of Resurrection. Who can presume to speak for all Islamic Generations to the Day of Resurrection? This is the status [of the land] in Islamic Shari’a, and it is similar to all lands conquered by Islam by force, and made thereby Waqf lands upon their conquest, for all generations of Muslims until the Day of Resurrection. This [norm] has prevailed since the commanders of the Muslim armies completed the conquest of Syria and Iraq, and they asked the Caliph of Muslims, ‘Umar Ibn al-Khattab, for his view of the conquered land, whether it should be partitioned between the troops or left in the possession of its population, or otherwise. Following discussions and consultations between the Caliph of Islam, ‘Umar Ibn al-Khattab, and the Companions of the Messenger of Allah, be peace and prayer upon him, they decided that the land should remain in the hands of its owners to benefit from it and from its wealth; but the control of the land and the land itself ought to be endowed as a Waqf [in perpetuity] for all generations of Muslims until the Day of Resurrection. The ownership of the land by its owners is only one of usufruct, and this Waqf will endure as long as Heaven and earth last. Any demarche in violation of this law of Islam, with regard to Palestine, is baseless and reflects on its perpetrators."

Usama Redneck wrote, replying to Sean:

You're incorrect on Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are a Kingdom, and actually overthrew the briefly established "Sharifian Caliphate" in exchange for Monarchy. Also Saudi Arabia cracks down on supporters of the Caliphate all the time and speaks out against them.

If you look on youtube there are videos regarding the so called "Khawarij" (not the historical incident) and "Hizbiyoon" which essentially means anybody who promotes the Caliphate in the Islamic world, or who rebels against the Kingdom of Saud.
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I believe this is a question of logistics and semantics, UR—not philosophy. The Saud family runs Arabia as their own private feifdom, and they *do not* want that to change. Hence the crackdown on anyone pushing for a Caliphate.

On the other hand, Saudi Arabia is always jockeying for influence in the Muslim world—their funding of Mosques, Madrasses, and providing of Islamic school curriculum all over the world, including in the West, is evidence of this.

The recent plot by Iran to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the US was one element of the deadly jockeying for influence between Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shi'ite Iran.

If Saudi Arabia could be sure that *they*, and they alone, could run the Caliphate, I think you would them very keen on the idea indeed.

Somehow I feel that the 'so many who hate Islam' in Iran are a minority.

Anyway, even if that were not to be so, their silence and continued complacency is deafening. To think that Iran will escape the stranglehold of Islam is folly. It is just not possible.

The political aspect is inseparable to Islam. Even if, by some miracle, Iran does magically get a secular democracy, it is impossible to think that law will not be formulated by the Sharia.

Even though people are pissed off, they do not realize that Islam is the problem. Hence these countries can never be secular, because the people are Muslim. And when the people are Muslim, so is the government. And then they act surprised when their lives turn hell.

An example is India. India is supposedly secular, and yet the spineless government has separate laws for Muslims and non-Muslims. If the Muslims were to become a majority India would become Pakistan. So much for all are equal in the eyes of the law.

Tunisia is lost and the secularists know it will become another anti-human rights country.

Are Muslims Correct in Saying the West has an Islamic-Muslim Heritage,specially in Science and Philosophy?

The answer is NO,read all the details:

http://www.antisharia.com/2011/10/28/why-the-west-really-has-a-greco-romanjudeo-christian-heritage-and-why-the-west-really-has-no-islamic-muslim-heritage-at-all/


We have a "commander-in-chief" who openly bosts that the price tag to the American taxpayer for aiding and abetting the rise to power of yet another Islamist regime was something like "one billion dollars."

Jay Leno's wife states publicly that the Quran gives more rights to women than the Judeo-Christian holy books.

Have Americans reached such a level of insanity and stupidity that we don't rise up and howl in protest at these travesties?

If it is indeed true that "the tree of liberty is watered with the blood of patriots," would the great American who originally stated this truth recognize what abject cowards many of us have collectively become?

If that was the case, then I think the Saudis when the Sharifian Caliphate was destroyed by them (i.e., Saud) would take up the mantle themselves, instead of making a kingdom.

Also, the official stance of the Saudis on Islamic propagation isn't based on khilafah but Tarbiyyah, which is educating the Muslim masses about Islam. So Caliphate takes little or no precedence in the Islamic propagation efforts of the Saudi govt. Not of Saudis mind you, but the govt. itself.

"I'm not sure this is entirely correct.
Offensive Jihad (here i mean striking targets outside of the Muslim World) can be declared in order to drive the infidels out of the Arabian Peninsula. (like Osama Ben Laden did).

Also, according to the Hamas Charter, any former muslim land can be attacked for reconquest, which is defacto Offensive Jihad."

No it's not, not according to the Shari'ah, reconquest is defensive because the land was taken away from them, since Shari'ah stipulates that if Kuffar are within one inch of your land you must repel them, which makes jihad fard-ayn and thus defensive and not offensive.

Same with driving the infidels out of the Peninsula, it's still defensive because the land is "occupied" and thus according to the Shari'ah is fard-ayn and thus defensive.

When saying terms like "offensive jihad" and "defensive jihad" it's good to realize the meanings of the English word "offensive" and "defensive" and it's usage within the context of Islamic laws and rulings.

@minoria : Are Muslims Correct in Saying the West has an Islamic-Muslim Heritage,specially in Science and Philosophy?
The answer is NO,read all the details:
http://www.antisharia.com/2011/10/28/why-the-west-really-has-a-greco-romanjudeo-christian-heritage-and-why-the-west-really-has-no-islamic-muslim-heritage-at-all/

Very good, quick read references, shows that Islamic influence on Western civilization was near nill. Except for some works of optics by Alhazen (965– c. 1040 AD), perhaps medicine, and architectural works done by Christian captives toiling for their sultan masters, there was little contributed by Muslims scholars, and zero contributed to our ways of life by Muslim clerics. The Golden Rule is not part of Sharia, nor even Koran, if you factor in Muslim supremacy does not give equal rights to 'infidels' so called. Western civilization owes all of its accomplishments to free thinking minds and a fair sense of equality and reciprocity respecting the individual. None of that is evident in Islam, where Allah trumps all. Islamic philosophical inquiry started in Baghdad about the 8th century, but was stillborn when focus reverted back to Koranic teachings and all other inquiry was abolished, largely by the Abbasids who codified Sharia by the 11th century. Unless one considers suppression of philosophical inquiry trumped by religious dogma fanaticism as advancement, Islamic contributions to civilization ended with Abbasid Sharia. See Formative Islamic philosophy influences, where "philosophy in Islam travels wide but comes back to conform it with the Quran and Sunna."

Here is where Islamic 'civilization' is really going in the 21st century: http://www.economist.com/node/21525400 "Dreaming of a Caliphate" (Economist Aug. 2011)

If Caliphate is what they want, that's what they'll get. But as miriam rove says above, it will also be what they'll soon regret.

Interesting site. Thanks. I clicked on the 'virgins in paradise' bit, and it said that the number 72 isn't actually mentioned in the koran.

Just for interest's sake, does anyone know where the number 72 originated ?

72 is mentioned in Al-Tirmidhi's collection of hadith.

It was narrated that al-Miqdaam ibn Ma’di Yakrib said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The martyr has six blessings with Allaah: he will be forgiven from the first drop of blood shed; he will be shown his place in Paradise; he will be protected from the torment of the grave; he will be safe from the greater terror; a crown of dignity will be placed on his head, one ruby of which is better than this world and everything in it; he will be married to seventy-two wives from al-hoor al-‘iyn; and he will intercede for seventy of his relatives.”
Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1663; Ibn Maajah, 2799; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

Some cast doubt about the chain of transmission of this hadith. There's also the controversy over mistranslation in the koran and hadiths, such as whether you get virgins or raisins.

Other uses of number 72 in Islam:
The number of warriors on the Muslim side at the Battle of Badr.
The number of people martyred along with Imam Hussain at the Battle of Karbala

72 is also the number of languages spoken at the Tower of Babel. Giving each virgin a different language is one way to stop them discussing your shortcomings, I suppose.

Greetings from the 72 virgins (Steve Martin, The New Yorker)

You could be right, Usama Redneck—certainly, your argument has been made by others.

For myself, I think the Saudis are particularly leery of the Caliphate since in its last iteration it was represented by the Ottoman Empire, which the Arabians actually fought against (I will not say they fought for their freedom, since true freedom was never a goal).

But traditionally, the Caliph was seated in Medina.

I still believe that if the Saudis could be sure of maintaining their power, that they would be all for the Caliphate.

It hardly matters, though—both Saudi Arabia and the newly-emerging Shari'ah states of the Mahgreb and Middle East are just as Islamic as can be, and have nothing good in store for the free West.

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“My comrade-in-arms, my pal, my buddy.”
Oriana Fallaci

“Robert Spencer incarnates intellectual courage when, all over the world, governments, intellectuals, churches, universities and media crawl under a hegemonic Universal Caliphate’s New Order. His achievement in the battle for the survival of free speech and dignity of man will remain as a fundamental monument to the love of, and the self-sacrifice for, liberty.”
Bat Ye’or

“Robert Spencer is indefatigable. He is keeping up the good fight long after many have already given up. I do not know what we would do without him. I appreciate all the intelligence and courage it takes to keep going despite the appeasement of the West.”
Ibn Warraq

“America's most informed, fearless, and compelling voice on modern jihadism.”
Andrew C. McCarthy, Senior Fellow at National Review Institute

“Robert Spencer is the leading voice of scholarship and reason in a world gone mad. If the West is to be saved, we will owe Robert Spencer an incalculable debt.”
Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs

"The consummate Islam critic and expert." — Bruce Bawer

“Over the years, we have become friends, and I have received his assistance on several pieces of legislation I proposed.”
Former Congressman Tom Tancredo

“Few people are capable of applying scholarship, analytical reasoning, and objectivity to their topic -- while simultaneously being readable and witty -- as can Robert Spencer.”
Raymond Ibrahim

“A national treasure...The acclaimed scholar of Islam.”
Frank Gaffney, Center for Security Policy

“I am indeed honored to call him my friend.”
Brad Thor, novelist

“A top American analyst of Islam....A serious scholar...I learn from him.”
Daniel Pipes

“A brilliant scholar and writer.”
Douglas Murray

"One of my best teachers."
Ashraf Ramelah, Voice of the Copts

“Thank God there’s at least one man with balls left in the West.”
Kathy Shaidle, Five Feet of Fury

“I read people like [Mark Steyn] and Bob Spencer and the rest of them, and I say, ‘Boortz, you’re pretending you’re an author. These people really are. They really write some entertaining, some standup stuff.’”
Neal Boortz

“Robert Spencer is the Stephen King of Jihad.”
Chris Gaubatz, Muslim Mafia

“Armed with facts and fearlessness, Spencer stands up for Western civilization.”
Michelle Malkin

“Widely read in conservative foreign policy circles.”
New York Times

“Widely read in many quarters in Washington.”
Washington Post

“A canny operative who likely has the inside track on the State Department’s Middle East affairs desk should the tea party win the White House.”
New York Magazine

“A hero of the American right.”
Karen Armstrong

"The leading anti-Islamic intellectual in the United States....The go-to Islam expert for the right wing."
Salon Magazine

“Robert Spencer is an Edward Said turned upside down.”
Stephen Suleyman Schwartz

“One of the nation's most notorious Islamophobes.”
Hamas-linked CAIR

"Geller and Spencer are probably the most important propagandizing Islamophobes in the world. These people's voices speak very loudly — not just here in the United States but overseas."
Heidi Beirach, Southern Poverty Law Center

“Satanic ignoramus.”
Khaleel Mohammed

“The Likud anti-Christ.”
Dar al-Hayat newspaper (Saudi Arabia)

“Zionist Crusader, missionary of hate, counter-Islam consultant.”
Al-Qaeda’s Adam Gadahn, “Azzam the American”



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