Saudi-backed institute for "tolerance" and irony appreciation inaugurated in Vienna

The situation in Saudi Arabia itself proves that this outfit, the King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz International Centre for Interreligious and Intercultural Dialogue (you can't make this stuff up), is nothing but an outpost for dawah, or Islamic proselytizing, and deception. If it is good for anything, it sets up a glaring study in contrasts between Sharia as advertised, in this "interfaith" scam in Vienna, and Sharia as observed, in Saudi Arabia.

Caveat emptor. "Saudi-backed religious tolerance center opens," by George Jahn for the Associated Press, October 13:

VIENNA (AP) — Saudi Arabia inaugurated an interfaith center in Vienna Thursday and its foreign minister said he hoped the spirit of tolerance embodied by the new institution will help change his conservative Muslim country, which prohibits any religion except Islam.

If in 1683 you don't succeed, try, try again. "War is deceit," Muhammad said.

The statement by Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal was an unusually clear declaration of intent by Saudi Arabia's rulers to work for religious and societal reforms from abroad in the face of domestic opposition to rapid change.
The center has ignited debate. Backers hope it will promote increased tolerance in Saudi Arabia, a kingdom that now prohibits any religion outside of Islam. Detractors, including Austria's Green party and moderate Muslim groups in Austria say the Saudis are the last people who should be hosting initiatives on religious coexistence.

If the goal is to change Saudi Arabia, they might consider trying it in, say, Saudi Arabia.

Ahead of Thursday's inauguration ceremonies, the daily Der Standard cited Rabbi David Rosen of the American Jewish Committee as criticzing Saudi plans to exercise initial leadership oversight of the institution, saying it had to be "totally independent."
Wahhabism — the strain of Sunni Islam that is practiced in Saudi Arabia — is considered one of the religion's most conservative. Some of its tenets were hijacked by Osama bin Laden and other terrorists to justify their acts.
Strict interpretations of the faith have left Saudi women without the right to drive or to go out without permission from a male relative. They have also have tattered ties with Islam's other major branch, Shiism, that have exposed deep rivalries between Saudi Arabia and predominantly Shiite Iran.

The Sunni-Shi'ite jihad is not the invention of either country, of course.

Relations reached a new low this week after U.S. allegations that Iran was behind a plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington.
In Vienna to launch the interfaith center, Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal accused Tehran of "murder and mayhem" and said his country is working on a "measured response" to the purported Iranian assassination attempt.
But most of his comments focused on the "King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz International Centre for Interreligious and Intercultural Dialogue" — and he appeared keen to dispel skepticism about his country's commitment to make it a focal point of interfaith dialogue and tolerance.
In an unsually fortright [sic] statement reflecting the Saudi leadership's push for change, the minister said he hoped "the center will take the lead" in making Saudi Arabia a more tolerant society.

How exactly is that supposed to work again?

"Saudi Arabia is willing to financially participate in this project, and to place all its moral and political resources behind such a center, without infringing ... on its autonomy or independence from any political interference," he told officials and reporters.
And he warned against "extremist minorities within every religious and cultural community ... seeking ... to propagate notions of intolerance, exclusion, racism and hatred.

Picked up a Saudi textbook lately?

"These tiny minorities," he said, "are trying to hijack and disrupt the legitimate identities and aspirations of people of all cultures and faiths."
The founding document cites principles enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human rights, "in particular, the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion." It emphasizes "human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion."
Its board will consist of three Christians, three Muslims, a Jew, a Buddhist and a Hindu....

So, two thirds of the board could not openly practice their religion in Saudi Arabia. Tell us again which country is really in need of a brand spankin' new tolerance institute.

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hmmm!
opening a centre in Vienna???, will create tolerance in the ideology driven bully boy whip merchants in Saudi Arabia????????????????????

you don t say

just hit me with the reasons again.....
i could do with a good laugh

thats about as believable, as trying to get a international blasphemy law, that only benefits islam.... :-)

This is the Ground Zero Islamic Center of Vienna. No difference.

Are they going to try and pull the old 'Abrahamic religions' scam to dupe the Christians and Jew? http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/jesus-prophesied-muhammad-in-bible.html

If so, what do they do with the Buddhist and Hindu who are 'Harbis', and should, under Shariah, be given an ultimatum of conversion to Islam or decapitation? http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/harbitude-harbis-with-attitude.html

Un-friklin'-real. . can't wait to see which cloistered lambs they pull out of retirement to represent The Cross , in Vienna of all places.
sheeesh

I'm going to open an interfaith center in Jeddah. Would that be a problem?

. .and no representative of Confucianism ? . .

. .don't sound like much of a gig to me.

Shouldn't charity (tolerance) begin at home in Saudi Arabia, rather than in Austria?

For those of you who still don't get the agenda of the various Muslim driven "interfaith tolerance dialogue," its all about getting we infidels to tolerate Muslim intolerance i.e. lower the tolerance bar for the violently intolerant Arab hate cult.
After all Muslims are special creations of Allah who need not subscribe to infidel notions of tolerance.

Vienna is full of Muslims.

Unh-Oh. .a bit like London etc etc ? thanks for the added urgency to mission PJG.

Behind the cheerful mask ... is the evil Islam

“I (Pedo Muh. 65:4) have been made victorious with terror”
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Sahih Bukhari Vol. 4, Book 52, 267 “Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)” The Prophet called, “War (i.e. jihad) is deceit”


9:29

vs.

American constitution (e.g. freedom of speech & expression)


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Good news!!!

The first item in the agenda for the first meeting is the steps to open a synagogue in Medina and a cathedral in Makkah....

and then I woke up.

I remember the first time I googled "dialogue + bridge building". It is quite some years ago now, and the particulars are a bit hazy, except that I was more innocent then, although a recent spat of bombings across the Western world had made me sit up. This combined with witnessing the harassment of Muslim women who did not cover their hair and the increasing troubles in the Muslim Streets had finally begun to make me look closer at Islam, what Islam says it is and what others say it is.

Anyway, I quickly linked to a site that promoted "dialogue" etc in no small amount, a lot of people with fancy titles - east and west both - highly recommended it, and all in all it seemed very trustworthy and building a lot of bridges. There was no end to the wonders we would all experience if only we accepted "dialogue" etc etc.

I then followed some of the links given on the site ....and they all took me to very explicit Islamic propaganda describing the true wonder we would all experience if only we accepted Islam.

Do forgive me when I say that this Saudi-backed institute does not come with the best of recommendations.

Saudi Arabia and tolerance? What are they going to showcase? That they tolerate Churches and temples in Mecca and Medina? In Saudi Arabia? Tolerate women drivers? Women judges? Homosexuals? Muslim conversions? Criticism of Muhammad? Islam?

Or do they want us to tolerate this intolerant ideology in our countries?

This sounds like a great thing for everyone. Providing no group or spokes person starts using taqiyya on others. If they all stay responsible to truth, keep things civil, and each nation or religion talks about the issues of concern. This could actually work out well. The different religions maybe not be having dinner together any time soon. But perhaps they could start out slow and work their way up the serious honest debate too work out the problems or fears.

Would you agree 'vnbushman', if the location of these so-called talks be switched to Makkah ?

If they have a board meeting in Mecca or Medina, two thirds of the board members will not be able to attend.

Which country is simply in need of a good spankin'? ;)

Actually, Saudi Arabia is just the regime to start initiatives of tolerance - in its own country!!

Didn't they try to get in the Gates of Vienna last time but were stopped?

This time they're in.

Thanks for that link, exsgtbrown, to passages from a Saudi textbook for young students. Reading over many of those supremacist, hate-filled, intolerant, control-freak passages reminded me again of what Arthur Schopenhauer noted more than a century and a half ago and that is that there is no limit to the nonsense that can be believed by a human being if you get control of the child early enough. Islam excels at this.

Incidentally, have you ever come across institutes to promote Judeo-Christian understanding? Judeo-Hindu? Christo-Buddhist? Zoroastrian-Sikh? Tao-Buddhist? Neither have I.

Only Islam needs institutes so that others can understand it? All the other faiths mentioned above don't bother - they simply leave each others' adherents alone (aside from a few proselytizing busybodies)

According to my calendar it is October 14, but this news item is a pretty good idea for the annual April Fools' Day !

Are we expected to believe that Saudi Arabia is interested in such concepts as "interreligious tolerance"(presumably ever where and anywhere except in the Kingdom), any more than North Korea or the USSR is interested in ideological pluralism during the Cold War)???????????????

Sorry, but until I see Christian churches (not to mention Synagogues and Sikh/Hindu temples) going up in Riyadh and their adherents being unmolested by the muta'ween( religious police of Saudi Arabia, similar to NKVD under Stalin or Hitler's Gestapo), I will refuse to believe Saudi claims of interest in "dialogue" and "tolerance"!

Terry

Even the TV newsreader made a sardonic joke about this.

Ironic, coming from Saudi Arabia.

Of course, as we all know, "tolerance" in the Islamic lexicon does not imply equality of treatment or attitudes. It means that we have to tolerate unconditionally Islam and all its archaic, offensive, and often inhumane social practices, but they are not obliged to tolerate us in return. (Yes, yes, I know...the old "we vs they" bugaboo Leftists love to carry on about. So?)

It's another aspect of asymmetrical war.

Screw 'em.

I'm sure this "interfaith" center will be hosting Wica gatherings, Dharma study sessions, and Breslover Chasid study groups. Right???

Saudi Arabia has such a name for tolerance and freedom, you know.

Saudi-backed institute for "tolerance" and irony appreciation inaugurated in Vienna
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Irony indeed. Let's just hope the credulous Kaffirs realize it.

More:

VIENNA (AP) — Saudi Arabia inaugurated an interfaith center in Vienna Thursday and its foreign minister said he hoped the spirit of tolerance embodied by the new institution will help change his conservative Muslim country, which prohibits any religion except Islam.
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So...why is this center in civilized *Austria* again, rather than Saudi Arabia or at least somewhere in the Muslim world?

It's not as though cosmopolitan Vienna needs this message...

My guess is that this was considered a necessary fig leaf—trying to present Saudi Arabia itself as a beacon of tolerance would have even strained the credulity of hopeful "interfaith" dhimmi Infidels.

More:

The statement by Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal was an unusually clear declaration of intent by Saudi Arabia's rulers to work for religious and societal reforms from abroad in the face of domestic opposition to rapid change.
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Ha! No it's not...

More:

The center has ignited debate. Backers hope it will promote increased tolerance in Saudi Arabia, a kingdom that now prohibits any religion outside of Islam. Detractors, including Austria's Green party and moderate Muslim groups in Austria say the Saudis are the last people who should be hosting initiatives on religious coexistence.
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Wow...if even "moderate Muslim groups" and *the Green party* can see through you, you know you're in trouble...

Yup—Da'wa, and trying to *force the West to change* by becoming more "Shari'ah compliant"—that's what this center for "tolerance" is all about...

vnbushman wrote:

This sounds like a great thing for everyone. Providing no group or spokes person starts using taqiyya on others. If they all stay responsible to truth, keep things civil, and each nation or religion talks about the issues of concern. This could actually work out well. The different religions maybe not be having dinner together any time soon. But perhaps they could start out slow and work their way up the serious honest debate too work out the problems or fears.
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Generally I find your posts very clear-eyed, vnbushman—but not here.

What gives you the idea that the Saudis—of all people!—are likely to be honest and civil? These are the Muslims who—just recently—have imprisoned women for driving, arrested a Colombian soccer player for having a tattoo of Jesus, and charged a woman *with practicing witchcraft*.

They ban crosses and bibles, don't have a single non-Muslim religious building in the entire country, and ban all Infidels from so much as setting foot in Mecca.

I don't expect much in the way of genuine "interfaith dialog" from *any* Muslims, but to expect it from the head-chopping Saudis seems to me—with all due respect—particularly naïve.

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