This is good. After all, why should five Muslims who say they entered the country on September 11, and who broke into a courthouse in the middle of the night after visiting high-security facilities all over the country (they had "'photographs of infrastructure' including photos of shopping malls, water systems, courthouses and other public buildings"), and who apparently took something into the building and left it there, be investigated for terrorism? After all, don't burglars always leave behind something in the places they break into and steal from? Obviously this was a simple burglary, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a greasy Islamophobe. More on this story. "5 Foreign Nationals In Custody After Attempted Break-In at Texas Courthouse, Authorities Say," from FoxNews.com, October 19 (thanks to CWR):
The FBI and local police said Wednesday they were trying to figure out why five French-Moroccan nationals tried to break into a Texas courthouse in the middle of the night.At least five foreign nationals are in custody after the attempted break-in at the Bexar County Courthouse in San Antonio, which triggered a bomb scare and FBI terror investigation, a source close to the case tells FoxNews.com.
The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, said the suspects are believed to be of French-Moroccan descent.
FBI agents and a bomb squad were called to the courthouse after three men were found inside the building early Wednesday.
The men, along with two others who were outside in an RV, were arrested by San Antonio police. The five suspects are currently being questioned by the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force.
"We're looking into all aspects of these individuals," FBI spokesman Erik Vasys told FoxNews.com.
Documents found inside the van showed the men, all in their 20s, had traveled extensively to high-level security facilities around the country, according to local media reports. Investigators also told the Associated Press that 90-day visas, maps, cell phones and computers were found inside the vehicle.
The source declined to comment on whether any bomb-making materials were found at the scene, saying only that the suspects' motive is still under investigation.
Police said two of the men climbed a fire escape and entered an unlocked door on the fourth floor of the courthouse at around 2 a.m., KHOU.com reports.
The men allegedly told investigators that they were visiting from out of town and said they were trying to get a tour of the city, according to the station.
That makes sense. I often break into courthouses at 2AM when I am in strange cities and looking for a tour. Don't you?
Sheriff's department spokesman Louis Antu told the Associated Press that there's no information to indicate that the incident might be affiliated with terrorism. He said the case is being investigated as burglary of a building.Antu said the FBI and immigration authorities are involved because the men are not from the U.S. Antu said the men, whose names have not yet been released, were taken to a jail holding facility.
Pardon me while I retch. The political correctness is appalling. "...there's no information to indicate that the incident might be affiliated with terrorism.: Indeed.
Doesn't this burglary meme fit the pattern by government generally that Islam could never, ever have anything to do with these overt acts against the American people.
[Psst, the ploy is no longer working. Too many Americans are putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with Islam.]
The fairy tale that 911 was not a terrorist, military-style attack, but rather it was only a criminal act by 19 dudes who only by the weakest of coincidences came out of Muslim countries with full Islamic acculturation.
This is the same piece where Holder claims KSM can be tried in a civilian court for a mere criminal matter, not in a military commission which is only reserved for wartime matters.
My belief is that the left is trying to make hay while the sun shines and is accelerating all of this hostility toward the American people (eg, OWS) because they too know that November 2012 is coming.
Retain the House
Capture the Senate
Install an American president
And make sure each one of them obeys his/her Article VI oath to "this Constitution."
Stop issuing bloody visas to these people!
It was later reported that after a medical examination, the accused were found to have two thick short planks between their ears!
Clowns!
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Feds-investigating-break-in-at-county-courthouse-2225724.php
The local paper (which is kind of interesting because they are linked to the Houston Chronicle which does not have it on their website - even in news around the state.
WOW, so on 9/11/01 we saw 4 tourists operate an Aircraft without a valid Pilot Licence and then try to enter a Office Tower other than the front doors but...through the windows without landing clearence, THEN...15 tourists failed to stay seated in those planes and refused to clean-up that blood they spilt on the carpets after they relieved the blood pressures for Flight attendance by severing a main artery below the head.
I get it now, so at Fort Hood there were soldier that jumped infront of airborn pieces of lead coming from a metal cylinder held by a person suffering from pre-PSTD for a Tour Of Duty not yet started.
Mean while, 150+ civilains murdered by mobs of Muslims that were outraged over a few Cartoons that made their misogynistic/Homophobic/Pedophlie prophet appear in a negative-bias portraying a quasi misogynistic/homophobic/pedophilia friendly thug bent on global domination for his oppressive communism/socialism/fascism rule to enslave non -muslims and legalize pedophilia and rape.
Next time a burglar is laying on your floor with broken bones and a gun shot to the chest, tell the Police that someone entered you home and suddenly tried to hit your boot toe with his crotch and then struck your baseball bat with the side of his head and was so dizzy he then ran at a bullet so fast it when into his chest and persed a lung.
Ergo,an open and shut case that traumatized the home owners forced to watch the buglar harm themselves.
Very simply, islam is a national security threat.
Over the course of the last ten years it has caused at least a trillion dollars to our national treasure and countless lives.
If you read the unedited news and have the audacity to face reality jerkin your head out from deep in the hole it’s been held in by mostly the PC, MSM propaganda idiocy , the clear and stark truth is inescapable, islam is at war with us, it’s after our demise, it’s assault is varied and multifaceted and you and every citizen must resist it and fight it in whatever capacity at your disposal.
From your local community to the World at large, islam is our highest security threat.
isalm is at war with America
we should all be at war with it
STOP LETTING IN THE MUSLIMS, AMERICA.
SIMPLE AS THAT.
Terror threat . . .bah! humbug says Judge: Texas court: break-in may have been prank
Lan Astaslem
You mean "Stop issuing visas to these bloody people!"
"Next time a burglar is laying on your floor with broken bones and a gun shot to the chest, tell the Police that someone entered you home and suddenly tried to hit your boot toe with his crotch and then struck your baseball bat with the side of his head and was so dizzy he then ran at a bullet so fast it when into his chest and persed a lung.
Ergo,an open and shut case that traumatized the home owners forced to watch the buglar harm themselves."
ROFLMAO, ala sux!
Thank you for correcting.
rant-
Post 9/11,the audacity and complicity of our federal gov't in directing that single muslim men (of any nationality) be allowed into our country enrages me. As if it is their RIGHT, somehow, to come here. And tourist visas!?
Our consular offices around the world are as dangerous as our unprotected borders. Complete incompetent clowns.
The World Series comes to Arlington, TX, on Saturday.
"The FBI and local police said Wednesday they were trying to figure out why five French-Moroccan nationals tried to break into a Texas courthouse in the middle of the night."
At this point, I think that we need to insist that the FBI stop hiring blind agents.
How very interesting. When I was driving home listening to the news, it simply described these bozos as "French", "Drunk", and "wearing sombreros". Is the last an attempt to pin a bad name on the Hispanic people in Texas? There was an offhand remark that attempted terrorism had been ruled out, which I suppose should have been the tipoff that the guys were Muslim.
The Muslims were just looking for justice. They always are. ;-)
I did see something about them trying on sombreros while in the building.
Let's see:
They gained access via the fire escape (those aren't on the ground because they don't want people to use them to go up).
It happened at 2 am (dark, high and not easy for coordination if you have been drinking).
They have a fair amount of documentation of all kinds of things from all over the US.
There are base(s) in that city and there was a military intel conference going on this week no less in the city a couple of blocks away.
Yet, they were only lost tourists - looking for a tour at that time of night and location.
In what country (on this planet) could someone find a tour in a governmental building at 2 am? I cannot think of a single one.
Good thing that their own stupidity got them caught.
Meh. I'm not too concerned as yet.
If these guys are held on a clear criminal charge, such as burglary or breaking and entry, CAIR can't release its dogs. Meanwhile, if these guys are really under observation by the FBI, they can be refused bail as flight risks all while the more troubling aspects and contexts of their recent activities are investigated.
But we'll know something's up if they make bail.
Excellent point, Chatillon. Maybe the Feds deserve more credit for understanding the nuances of this case than they are being given.
As you say, watch to see if these guys receive bail.
"Sheriff's department spokesman Louis Antu told the Associated Press that there's no information to indicate that the incident might be affiliated with terrorism. He said the case is being investigated as burglary of a building."
Come on, Sheriff, stop dicking around with us.
Be a big boy, do your job; say the M-word!
From the article: "five French-Moroccan nationals".
Translation - "five Moroccan-background Muslim males carrying French passports".
I'd advise checking to find out whether the passports are valid.
Sure, there are far too many Moroccan-background Muslims currently squatting in France, but a Moroccan Muslim with jihad ambitions who wants to get into the USA can probably get in on a French passport easier than he can on a Moroccan passport.
And they were all 'in their 20s'.
Mohammedan Males of Military Age.
Not good.
Memo to everyone handling or reporting upon this case.
The Ummah, or Mohammedan Mob, is the sheltering sea within which the Jihadists, the sharia-pushers, swim and from which, ceaselessly, they emerge.
Wherever there are Mohammedans, then sooner or later - usually sooner - there is Jihad, the relentless push to impose that Unlaw or antilaw which is Sharia, upon everyone else.
If you have no Mohammedans, you do not have Jihadists - sharia-pushers - or Jihad of any kind, whether the 'hard' military conquest/ terroristic raiding variety or the jihad of deception, fake victimhood, lawfare, demographic swamping, etc.
The free majority nonMuslim countries of the world would save themselves a great deal of worry and crippling expense if they simply ceased to admit Muslims onto their turf, period. Muslim 'refugees' and 'asylum seekers'? - NO. Muslim 'tourists'? - NO. Muslim 'businessmen'? - NO. Muslim 'students'? - NO. Keep the lot of them out. If Muslim 'students' had not been allowed into the West, ever, A Q Khan would not have been able to steal what he stole, and Pakistan would probably not have nukes. And to be quite frank, a lot of Mohammedan embassies should probably be shut down -: the Iranians, the Egyptians, the Pakistanis and the Saudis, just for starters. End all but the most distant and cold diplomatic relations.
A simultaneous campaign to remove to dar al Islam all Muslims from within the non-Muslim lands - whether native-born converts or immigrant/ immigrant-descended Muslims - who were convicted of serious crimes and/ or engaged in sharia-pushing activities and/ or practised any one or more of those many sharia practices that breach civilised laws and customs and / or incited/ plotted/ attempted or achieved acts of violent Jihad, would (if resolutely pursued )gradually reduce the existing Mohammedan colonies to a more manageable size.
I've got to give it to you, that was very witty & entertaining.
Okay. I've read the linked news articles about these guys.
There is nothing, absolutely NOTHING, innocent or pranksterish about this group of chitheads.
These bums are on tourist visas, issued on 09/10/11 -- if I read that right.
To my point now.
If I were again young and stupid and received a tourist visa with my buddies to a foreign country, would I and my friends just break into anything -- let alone a court house of the country I was visiting?
ABSOLUTELY not, no matter how drunk I was.
There is something to this story and it isn't about hooliganism and drunkenness.
This country has a major immigration issue.
And no one in our government or media seems to care.
Texas: Five Muslims who broke into courthouse and had traveled to high-level security facilities all over the country being investigated as burglars, not as terrorists.
Whew. Thank goodness for that. I was worried for a while there that maybe they were Moslem activists.
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But, if Al Qaeda is exporting burglary to the United States, I think we can at least acknowledge that amongst ourselves and put a stop to it. Hell, with this new problem maybe even Janet and Eric can help.
I heard a brief report of this on the radio, which said they were 'French, drunk, and wearing sombreros' and the reporter sounded amused at their innocent antics. I think he also said they had flown into NY and driven to Texas and were planning to drive to on California, a cross-country road trip. No mention was made of their hellish religion, naturally. They must have been faking intoxication; alcohol is forbidden to muslims and we all know they would never break an islamic rule.
Suuuuuuuuuuuure. Doesn't everyone celebrate a "tour" of another land by driving around in a van, taking pictures of high-security locations, then capping it off by burglarizing the local county court house?
Just wonderin'.
When this story broke earlier I posted this (it's concerning the interrogation by FBI, Immigration, Customs Enforcement, and Joint Terrorism task force).
"Lets just hope all these agencies take "real" good notes and communicate with each other. Oh, plus figure out where their arses are, before they agree that the "French-Moroccan muslims" were just trying to get a better view."
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Sad part about the above "post" is that it's almost prophetic. Nothing has changed since "911," these bumbling idots couldn't find their arses then (911), and they've only gotten more "clueless".
Question is why do we tolerate this bumbling fumbling, dis-information junk. Does anyone feel "safer"?
I don't think Sheriff's department spokesman Louis Antu should be considered the go to person on this matter. His comment are of course very preliminary and I think the investigation is without question moving into the more likely terrorist scenario.
We still are reminded daily about Americans who remain dhimmi clueless to the internal threat of jihad in America.
I hope the FBI thinks to ask the French cops to roll these guys' apartments.
Now *that* is an excellent idea.
Finding out what mosque/s they used to frequent back home in the old 'no-go zone' in France, would also be worth doing.
"If these guys are held on a clear criminal charge, such as burglary or breaking and entry, CAIR can't release its dogs. Meanwhile, if these guys are really under observation by the FBI, they can be refused bail as flight risks all while the more troubling aspects and contexts of their recent activities are investigated."
I agree with the above from Chatillon on this.
OT: Thanks to others ala sux; dumble; CGW; and others who give their input here at JW. I have been reading JW for a few years and learned a lot about Islam.
I am concerned about this Islam crap. Our Government leaders are going to have to address this sternly sooner or later. I work with several Muslims and they are good people. It is extremely difficult for them to "renounce" much of the teachings of the Quran, but they will HAVE to sooner or later to live in a civilized country.
If the extremists keep pushing and the Govt leaders do nothing - I think some American sportsmen might have "different" game to hunt..soon
Hey, I'm touched. Thanks. Most people criticize me for being too militant. I've been banned twice.
I used to post a lot in the beginning (eight years ago), then sat back and just read for years, only commenting occasionally (although I read every single article and all comments every day), since most of what was being written was just repetition of previous ideas. Lately I've begun commenting more again; I've seen a real evolution at JW over the years. In general commenters used to be more extreme, irreverent and hilarious. The tone is much more civilized now - due primarily to the vigilance of Marisol - but I miss the headiness of the old days sometimes. Don't get me wrong - I enjoy the thoughtful commentary of the majority of posters but it's become way too tame, IMO. Even though word has spread tremendously since 911, we remain a relatively small community of those aware of the danger to our Civilization posed by the blood-cult, islam, and the constraints on our freedom of expression by a PC-minded society have severely limited the impact that the relevant information should be having. The battle - and much less the war - is FAR from being close to over. We simply MUST be more vigilant and pro-active than EVER, as Pamela Geller insists.
Update-
San Antonio Express says three of the "Frenchmen" have been let go, two remain in custody.
The policy has been to downplay terrorist threats to keep the public calm and not alarmed. That has been one reason for the denial of Islamic motivation, among other reasons such as political elitism. What needs to happen is for U.S. law to be enforced - as opposed to Sharia law - and for acts of terrorism, such as blowing up of buildings to terrorize, should be treated as acts of war. Crimes done to enforce Sharia law, which is incompatible with U.S. law, should be considered crimes of sedition and treated as such.
Not trying to be a smart-ass, CGW, but...
"Don't get me wrong - I enjoy the thoughtful commentary of the majority of posters but it's become way too tame, IMO."
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Thoughtful commentary, I think, requires, at least, a smidgen of quiet contemplation and "thoughtfulness".
This, in itself, causes the "edit function" to be engaged, as I say to my students.
The "tameness" you seem to decry is exactly what we seek in our writing.
Words are not directly threatening. Actions are. This is what separates us from the Psycho Muslims, who believe they are acting on the words of their "holy" books, but are actually behaving in sync with their dissonant emotions.
"Thoughtful commentary" is not going to kick islamic ass, which is exactly what we need to do in order to survive and thrive.
Get real.
David, it might be that you're bringing your work home with you, as it were. We are not unruly school children here in need of parental supervision and the mature and calm hand of adult guidance at this forum. Some of us have experienced first-hand the ways of Islam and its adherents, and we know empirically the world of Muslims is situ. When I encounter those who fail to distinguish between our right norms, such as those you promote, I am thankful to live among such people and in such a society, (though I seem to have moved).
I will point out that the normal and ordinary middle class Modernist is insulated from the ways of the majority of the mass, that most people do not share our ways and our middle class assumptions, which I'm sure you understand and acknowledge; but there is more to it than simple knowledge and even understanding: there is the feeling of cultures other than ones own that transcend the intellect and even the emotional: there is the core being of Otherness that one cannot grasp from quiet contemplation and pondering on the agathon. Not all people are all people, we not being one big brotherhood of man, all equal and deserving. That includes me as well as those who are my own and our own enemies.
You write: "Thoughtful commentary, I think, requires, at least, a smidgen of quiet contemplation and 'thoughtfulness'."
David, this is completely appropriate for students in a middle class Modernist class room lead by a mature adult. Beyond that you are, I feel, suspect, think, out of your depth. Take a bit of time to contemplate your own assumptions, if you will, and ask if your values are actual or if they are those of your own making under the influence of your communities of mind. Do you really understand jihadis? When you write actions separate us from psycho Muslims who believe they are acting on the words of their holy books are actually behaving in sync with their dissonant emotions, I have trouble believing you understand the nature of our plight, and the plight of the Ummah. We as Modernists, i.e. as revolutionaries in an almost eternally static social world, are an existential threat to most of mankind. That existential threat is so severe and so effective that simply by dint of our daily lives we are destroying thousands of years of culture and native assumptions, not just for Muslims, but for humanity in general. Of course they resist. To refer to them as psychos is to completely misunderstand the nature of humanness and particularly the nature of tribal peoples.
If we do not grasp the fundamentals of our challenge, then we will forever lose and cause harm not only to ourselves but to enemies without any progress toward the good. I will go so far as to claim that "thoughtful commentary" is a crime against humanity in this case because it is not thoughtful at all but a reliance on the norms of ones own culture and a negation of the validity of the norms of others, e.g. Muslims. You, sir, are not really thinking for yourself but are presenting only the norms of our culture at its best. Good for you, as a rule; but not so good for the world and its people.
We face a militant enemy of our culture and our very lives. If we do not understand the sense of why our enemies are our enemies, thinking we can all sit down in a large classroom and here the Gnostic Truth and thereafter be enlightened, then I suggest that we are doomed. Thoughtful commentary is not actual thinking. It's a dangerous flight into sentimentality and smugness, if I may be so bold.
Our enemies, and they are indeed exactly that as we are exactly theirs, have legitimate concerns about the destruction from outside of their cultures. If they did not resist they would be fools and cowards. As is, they are worse, all of which is irrelevant to our situation vis Islam. What matters is, having a concrete understanding of Islam and Muslims, we know what we are fighting against and how to do so effectively for the specific purpose of destroying an enemy culture and pacifying its people, destroying their very reason-for-living and the Moral of their lives. This is not a time or a place to indulge in sentimentalities and moralistic bromides. It is time to fight physically and to the end.
Reason and contemplation will eventually lead to the Pax Romana that tells up clearly: Vae victis. One might mistranslate that as "Islam-buyer beware."
Dag,
Lima, Peru.
To clarify:
"Reason and contemplation will eventually lead to the Pax Romana that tells up clearly: Vae victis."
If we actually reason clearly we will come to understand that a longish period of peace is not coming from reason and thoughtfulness, i.e. from sentimentality and assumption, but from force of superior arms and will. Think it through from the mind of our enemies and we will grasp that only complete(ish) destruction of Islam will allow Muslims to take their place in the Modern world. Woe to the vanquished. And then we carry on till next time. War without end, perhaps with periods of peace.
Son of Walker wrote:
We as Modernists, i.e. as revolutionaries in an almost eternally static social world, are an existential threat to most of mankind.
That existential threat is so severe and so effective that simply by dint of our daily lives we are destroying thousands of years of culture and native assumptions, not just for Muslims, but for humanity in general. Of course they resist.
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Dag, I have always respected your comments, but I believe this is way off base.
Firstly, the civilized West is *not* forcing its culture on people as Islam does.
The fact is that many people around the world *want* to embrace aspects of Western civilization, from pop culture to high culture to modern trade.
Also, most people who "resist" do so by emphasizing aspects of their own cultures that they wish to retain, *not* by killing Westerners and other Infidels as Muslims do.
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I will go so far as to claim that "thoughtful commentary" is a crime against humanity in this case because it is not thoughtful at all but a reliance on the norms of ones own culture and a negation of the validity of the norms of others, e.g. Muslims.
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I'm sorry—you consider "thoughtful commentary" *a crime against humanity*? This—with all due respect—*insane*.
I agree that many people—including Westerners—tend to consider their own culture to be normative, and everything to be essentially "just like them". This is short-sighted—and often quite foolish—but hardly a "crime against humanity".
I agree it is important to understand Jihad and the Muslim mind-set—but I *do not* agree that one must in any *adopt* Muslim aggression and irrationality.
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You, sir, are not really thinking for yourself but are presenting only the norms of our culture at its best. Good for you, as a rule; but not so good for the world and its people.
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I would not make the assumption from anything that David has written that his views are unexamined.
Nor would I consider a set of beliefs that has led to so much wealth creation, so much technological and intellectual advancement, the saving of so many lives through advances in agricultural and medical techniques, to be "not so good for the world and its people".
I can, in fact, think of few things that have been *better* for the world and its people.
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Our enemies, and they are indeed exactly that as we are exactly theirs, have legitimate concerns about the destruction from outside of their cultures. If they did not resist they would be fools and cowards.
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Rot. Clinging to the barbarity of Islam is not some sort of grand gesture on the part of "noble savages".
Also, while Jihadists are focusing their fight against the West, they are actively fighting all the Infidels in the world, including such non-Western peoples and cultures as southern Thailand, the southern Philippines, western China, southern Nigeria, and many other places.
You may feel that the West is forcing its culture on Muslims; do you feel the same way about these other peoples?
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It is time to fight physically and to the end.
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Why? If you feel we have no reason to retain our culture, and that civilization and reason are such a threat to humanity, then why fight at all?
More:
"Reason and contemplation will eventually lead to the Pax Romana that tells up clearly: Vae victis."
If we actually reason clearly we will come to understand that a longish period of peace is not coming from reason and thoughtfulness, i.e. from sentimentality and assumption, but from force of superior arms and will.
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Firstly, reason is hardly the same as sentimentality, nor is thoughtfulness unexamined assumption.
More importantly, while the will to fight and the ability to do so effectively is crucial—vitally so—by itself it will hardly lead to any sort of peace.
In fact, if you want to see what armaments, aggression, and fanaticism lead to *without* reason and thoughtfulness, just look at any sanguinary, violent, chaotic hell-hole in the Muslim world.
I have to limit my readership to JW to once a week or risk raising my blood pressure.