“Walk in our shoes for a little bit to see what we go through.” Heavens to betsy! What do these poor Muslim students at Cal State San Bernardino go through? Is the campus patrolled by roving bands of greasy Islamophobes, spitting on poor pious hijabis and cackling demonically as they pull off their hijabs? Are they denied a seat at the lunch counter by a clerk who points wordlessly to a sign: "NO MUSLIMS SERVED"? Are they kidnapped, raped, forced to convert to Christianity, as Christian girls in Egypt are with alarming regularity kidnapped, raped, and forced to convert to Islam?
Not quite. Has the young woman who claimed it would be good for non-Muslims to see what Muslims go through actually ever experienced hatred or discrimination? “Personally, myself, no, thank God."
Probably these faux hijabis found that people on the hyper-PC campus became extra solicitous toward them.
Victimhood Manipulation Update: "Students Challenged To Wear Muslim Head Scarves On Campus," by Greg Mills for CBS Los Angeles, November 9:
SAN BERNARDINO (CBS) — Students at California State University San Bernardino were challenged to wear traditional Muslim head scarves this week in a campaign that many people hoped would change attitudes.Corinna Ordonez, a Catholic, was one of the students who took on the challenge, dressing in a traditional Muslim head scarf called a Hijab.
“I’m looking at them and I wonder how other people look at them and if they judge them. Things like that, so I wanted to try it,” she said.
That was exactly the idea behind the Muslim Student Association’s “Take the Hijab Challenge,” which they issued to students at CSUSB.
“Walk in our shoes for a little bit to see what we go through,” said Naheed Sahak, who believes there are common misconceptions in the U.S. regarding people, who are Muslim.
She said that many women in our country, who wear a Hijab, get negative and in some cases hostile reactions....
The few people I spoke with also said that they honestly have never experienced any negative reactions to wearing the scarves, which cover much of the head.
“Personally, myself, no, thank God,” Sahak said.
Ordonez said that she spent about an hour working on her hair in the morning, but did not mind covering it up to take the challenge. She was joined by more than 200 women over a two-day period
Ordonez wore it around campus and expected to get a lot of dirty looks.
“Most of the reaction that I got was people trying not to look at me. If they looked at me kind of by accident, they [would] look down,” she said.
Thursday the [Muslim Brotherhood-linked] Muslim Student Association planned to show videos of those who took the challenge and recorded reactions, followed by a question and answer session.
Gee, I just can't imagine why anyone would feel negative toward a hijabbed Muslim. So what if Muhammad says my life and property are not safe from him unless I become a Muslim:
In Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the two most canonical hadith collections:
Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5917:
How about they wear big crucifixes then go to Mecca.
This really seems like a manipulative attempt at proselytizing. So sad that so many will be taken in by it as they have been sent to college with too few facts to think with and few skills to use the few facts they have . . .
CSU San Bernardino students wear hijabs to experience what Muslims go through
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What about all those killed for declining to "Take the Hijab Challenge”, including "Honor" killing victim Aqsa Parvez? Or Afghan women beaten for refusing to wear the Burkha? Or Iranian women imprisoned for refusing to wear the Chador?
Don't imagine we'll hear much about them...
Heck, I think I'll just strap on something that looks like a suicide bomb, and run around campus screaming "Allahu Akbar!", and see if I get any "dirty looks". Damned "Islamophobes"...
Seriously, I am just *so* sick of this sort of crap...
Will donning a hijab also turn them into whining automatons like Ms. Sahak?
Adult Muslims deserve quiet, polite, determined outrage in this day and age. How dare the "moderate" Muslims subscribe to a religion that may, not far in the future, become the majority in Europe, and gradually crush free speech and liberal democratic societies there. How dare the "moderates" continue to belong to a religion that has hundreds of millions of followers who believe, as polls of them have shown, that non-Muslims should be legal and social inferiors compelled to live under Islamic law. How dare "moderates" want to stay "Muslim," when, again as polls of Muslims globally show, a vanguard of around a hundred million Muslims think that violent jihad to subjugate non-Muslims is righteous. "Moderates" want to remain part of that religion, with its huge totalitarian ambitions and possibilities, without getting some dirty looks or hearing outrage? Are they so self-centered that they can't see beyond their own navels? Can people like that really be "moderates"?
If all the totalitarian behavior from Muslims around the globe today were a deviation from what the core texts of Islam clearly show of Muhammad's teachings and actions, well, that would be different. Then a Muslim could plausibly claim he has nothing to do with it. Then millions of Muslims would presumably come out in protest against the violent jihad that happens every single day in numerous spots around the globe. But for those people who know Islam's core texts, it's quite obvious those texts are the main source of the global Islamic abuse and violence against non-Muslims and of the efforts to subjugate non-Muslims under Islamic law.
Again, if Islam's many violent adherents were not already putting a chill on free speech in the United States and Europe, if that were not happening, then to insist on being a Muslim -- "moderate" or otherwise -- would not be such a huge and offensive burden on the non-Muslim population. But it is a hugely offensive burden, and adult Muslims deserve polite, quiet, outrage for it.
And what is wrong with the people on this campus? What is wrong is that they are ignoramuses, or they are hostages to the fear imposed by this criminal religion that spreads, even into the United States, intimidation (see the link in the previous paragraph) against writers, journalists, media figures, artists, politicians and ordinary people who must fear to voice any criticism of Islam in public, lest it become necessary to be always watching one's back against a violent Muslim. So in all seriousness I ask how dare anyone today be a Muslim, especially so-called "moderates," when they thus give support to all the criminal behavior Islam's worldwide totalitarian movement is responsible for today. How dare "moderates" follow a religion when it produces governments like those of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Sudan? Or when a 56-nation group like the Organization of Islamic Cooperation says that free speech is okay, except in the numerous cases where it goes against Islamic law. How dare anyone follow a leader who has done all Muhammad has done, and said all that Muhammad has said. How dare they! What incredible, self-centered, nerve Muslims have to dare to complain about dirty looks at a hijab!
I'd love to tell this empathetic Kool-Aid drinker what it's like to wear a kipah and walk down Shattuck Avenue outside UC Berkeley and have someone scream "Fucking Jew!" as they pass, or live in Israel and not be able to enter a grocery store, bus, or hospital without going through a metal-scanner or without having one's backpack searched.
Their skit would be incomplete without some white robed religious police to swat at any female not wearing the proper ganggarb/slavesuit, or unaccompanied by a Sharia-approved guardian male.
I give them the same "look" that I'd give to someone in an SS uniform. I really don't see much difference.
Graven, I join you in being so sick of this phoney muslim crap!
She said that many women in our country, who wear a Hijab, get negative and in some cases hostile reactions....
That's funny. The nabific one, that's me (pbum), heard that in many mohametan countries women who DON'T wear hijab sometimes get negative and in some cases hostile reactions.
nabi ZK (pbum)
Exactly, Nabi. Haven't heard of one be-hijabbed Muslim woman raped or even sexually harassed in America but plenty who have been walking through the streets of Cairo, and this was before that fabulous Arab Spring we've been having.
And to No Fear, agreed. Try wearing a crucifix while walking down those same streets of Cairo. Good luck getting out of there alive.
Take the *full* Sharia'h test ladies!
Imagine you've been raped and are in a Sharia'h court. You've been accused of immoral behaviour / adultery and therefore must be stoned to death...because you've committed the 'crime' of being raped. How do you feel? Tell us truthfully.
Or, you must appear in a Sharia'h court as a witness. However, your evidence is worth only half that of a man's. How do you feel now? Tell us about your experience.
Or, your father dies and your male relatives are awarded a disproportionate amount of his bequest. How do you feel now?
Or, your devout, Muslim husband demands sex whenever he feels like it. You are an object for having sex with, not really a human being with feelings. How would you feel ladies? Tell us true!
Oh, and there's much more!! Much more!
Take the *full* Sharia'h test head on. Then tell us how you feel, ladies.
More brainwashing and promotion of Islamic propaganda.
What would be a better test to prove inequality is to have students carry an Israeli and an American flag. Whay would be the result of that? Not hard at all to figure that out.
You wrote -" I give them [females ostentatiously parading in the Mohammedan female Slave Rag] the same "look" that I'd give to someone in an SS uniform. I really don't see much difference."
That's pretty much how *I* see it.
The Slave Rag is a symbol in little of the whole Sharia system.
See this article, which discusses the views of an Iranian-French female activist, Djavann - probably ex-Muslim - who has campaigned against the Islamic veil.
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=148041
Outlaw the hijab
N. Maruani
Excerpt:
"She [Djavann] writes that the veil cannot be presented as a personal choice, disregarding centuries of Islamic history.
'She adds that it is inappropriate to probe the motivations of every young girl wearing the veil when what is at stake is a political agenda.
Djavann explains further:
"The veil has never been innocent or innocuous.
"**It has always signified the submission of women to men and the denial of legal rights to women in Islamic countries."** {my emphasis - dda}
...
'ADDRESSING THE growing phenomenon of veiled women in Europe, Djavann points out its centrality to Islamist propaganda:
"The political, ideological and psychological impact of the veil goes far beyond its appearance... If this weren't the case, why would the Islamists make it their main focus?...
"**It [the veil, the hijab] constitutes a constant call to order by Islamic law."** {my emphasis - dda}.
More - ""the veil is the symbol, the flag and the keystone of the Islamic system."
And we know what that system prescribes - the abolition of freedom of speech and of freedom of conscience, death for 'apostates' and 'blasphemers', and permanent subordination and abuse of women and of non-Muslims.
So, somebody should suggest to these clueless students that their *next* exercise should be to don full KKK regalia and go parading about in *that*.
Or they could try wearing swastika armbands, or the SS deathshead badge prominently displayed.
Same deal.
Oddly enough, I suspect that the reaction one of the students described -
“Most of the reaction that I got was people trying not to look at me. If they looked at me kind of by accident, they [would] look down,” she said'
is not unlike the reaction that someone would get from ordinary decent folks who know a bit of history, if he or she insisted on wearing a KKK outfit or a Gestapo or SS insignia in front of them.
A combination of disbelief and deep unease.
Wherever the hijab, niqab, burqa, abaya or any other form of the Slave Rag is visible, there are Sharia Enforcers somewhere in the vicinity.
Three months ago, I took part in a small show of solidarity with a Jewish/ Israeli business here in Australia, the Max Brenner chocolate shop chain.
On a Saturday, the horrible Boycott/ Divestment/ Sanctions Jew-haters held a noisy demo outside the shop - confronted, thank God, by a much larger *counter*-demonstration in support of Israel and Jews. I went along to the shop at the time of the demo, and partook of hot chocolate, in order to defy the call for a boycott.
The next day in the evening there was a solidarity gathering at the same shop, called by one of our federal Parliamentarians who is Jewish. I went along to that also.
Now, I can't recall whether it was on the Saturday or the Sunday, but on one of those occasions, while standing in the - very long! - queue waiting to order, I saw a Muslim female in the slave rag (the wimple-style head-bag variety) sitting at one of the side tables, with a large handbag on the floor beside her.
You can *bet* I was looking at her 'funny', for a good long while. Because I know what be-hijabbed females like her have done in Jewish shops in Israel.
Zonie
you remarked "the nabific one, that's me (pbum), heard that in many mohametan countries women who DON'T wear hijab sometimes get negative and in some cases hostile reactions."
And not only in Mohammedan countries!
Right here in Western countries, wherever Muslims are present in sufficient numbers and feeling powerful.
Here's one Australian newspaper article that mentions this most unpleasant habit of Muslims -
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/the-conrtroversial-ban-the-burka-debate-reaches-australian-shores/story-e6frereo-1225887202686
The conrtroversial 'ban the burka' debate reaches Australian shores
by Des Houghton
"A retired newspaper editor tells me Muslim men patrol Gold Coast beaches demanding women in bikinis cover up. "
HOW DARE THEY!! THUGS!! BULLIES!!
(Though the Aussies are a bit less polite than the Americans - some are still giving as good as they get - in the same article the author says " I saw students sneer at a woman in a burka as she strolled across a university campus. She must have heard them shout: ``What have you got to hide?'' What indeed? After all - women (or men) wrapped in burkas have exploded themselves on numerous occasions. )
And then there's this classic article by Paul Sheehan, which appeared in the Sydney Morning Herald in 2006.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/paul-sheehan/ideals-become-casualties-of-war/2006/08/13/1155407666922.html
"A friend of mine, Jenny D, used to live in Lakemba. {Lakemba is a heavily-Islamised suburb of Sydney - dda}
"She began receiving insults from people in the street, usually Muslim women wearing headscarves, and sometimes Muslim men. If she wore a short skirt, she could expect abuse or comment. She left Lakemba."
In other words: the Muslims. by continual public, verbal bullying, **drove a non-Muslim women to leave the suburb where she lived, and move somewhere else**.
dumbledoresarmy has an excellent point. The students response should have been "I'll try the Hijab if you try wearing Western clothes in a heavily Islamic neighborhood". I imagine there would have been few takers and those that did would have seen real discrimination.
Ouuuuhh :-( ... the famous role of the victim
…The Dhimmi
Still, as “People of the Book,” Jews (and Christians) are protected under Islamic law. The traditional concept of the “dhimma” (“writ of protection”) was extended by Muslim conquerors to Christians and Jews in exchange for their subordination to the Muslims….
http://schnellmann.org/cover-women-heads.html
If anything, students should be made to wear the Dhimmi markings, that muslims imposed on al-kafirun at the height of their imperial run.
@Ros, what are Dhimmi markings?
Corinna and company should try walking around campus wearing pro-Israel shirts.
Epic comment @ traeh
Whatever Muslims say about the purpose of the hijab, the Qur'an makes it absolutely clear that it exists as a covering to distinguish Musluim women from non-Muslim women, *so that Muslim women may be recognised as such and not be "molested"*.
Excuse my language, but what a bunch of clueless bimbos. And why are they clueless? Because they've been indoctrinated by the education system to never pass judgment on an "inferior" culture. (Just as their male counterparts have been). Has a single one of those girls ever read the Koran? Read news reports of the treatment of women in wholly Islamic countries? Heard about the "honor" murders of girls in the U.S. and Canada and Britain, girls who refused to wear the hijab or crossed the line and had non-Muslim boyfriends? It isn't just Islam that can turn women into brainless cattle. It's also our multiculturalist education system.
Did they also get down and curse the kuffar in prayer five times each day? That would include themselves as in - 'alla-de-da damn me and my family and everyone I know. May we all get cancer and have our blood freeze so we call out for death but not get it blah, blah, blah.....' Did they curse the USA and Israel? Did they have a male family member escort them around all week? Did they get beaten for not doing something exactly as that male family member told them to? Did they have to make dinner while their mate boinks another woman? I may be going out on a limb here but I'm betting not. It seems to me, then, that they are not even scratching the surface of what it's like to be a muslime woman.
I thank the real god for not making me a muslime.
Islamophobe (ˌɪzlɑːməˈfəʊb)
— noun
1 Infidel who knows too damn much about islam.
ok the these hijab wearing women should not drive and be forced to stay inside unless they are accompanied by a MALE relative and finally of course they should NOT BE ATTENDING CLASSES, as women are only a vessel for procreation and slavery. Islam- the demonic enslavement of the soul and body.
Hey, I'm all for these dhimmi fools to go in abayas and hijabs to East California in SUMMER, to experience for themselves just a bit of the brutality inflicted on females from the Homo insh'allensis species by islam, and nothing but islam itself. And, by the way, without breaks in any air-conditioned environment.
Let's see how many of them would still be friendly towards bedouin nazism, and towards the idea that being born with a penis is what makes someone a full human being in the primitive and barbaric societies dominated by islam, after that.
Of course wearing the hijab is a personal choice. Thats why in stores I see 2 and 3 year old somali toddlers wearing the hijabs that look like doilies on the head all the time. Mommy I wanna wear THAT one today..
1 Corinthians 11 15 - if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her because her hair is given to her instead of a headdress
Could it be muzlumz insist on covering the womans hair in deliberate opposition to the word of the true God
Sounds like it backfired!
1 Corinthians 11 15 - if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her because her hair is given to her instead of a headdress
So appropriate here:
"...and ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free."
What needs to be pointed out is that negative reaction in the West to women wearing the hijab is often out of shock and horror that a woman should have to be oppressed or would choose to be oppressed in a free society. I once heard a woman tell a jihabbed woman, "This is America, you can take the veil off your mouth now." It is not a disdain for decency or modesty. It is that women in the West are seen as equally valuable as men with the same human dignity. The same laws apply to men as to women, and women are not treated like children or made fully responsible for the actions of men. There may be domestic violence abusers who weasel their way out of responsibility for their abuse of women, but it is not sanctioned under U.S. law as it is in Sharia law, which enforces Islamic principles of male dominance and impunity.
Repellent morons.
And of course people try to avoid eye contact with some freakazoid with a bag over her head.
We really need to cut off funding to these worthless schools until they resume teaching academic subjects and lay off the mental mutilation and propagandizing.
Muslim specific clothing in the year 2011 is absolutely no different than Nazi specific clothing in the year 1938. The message is absolutely the same. "I am different from you. I unconditionally reject everything that you believe in and value. I will not willingly associate with you because I sincerely believe that you are accursed filth because you do not believe as I do. I support the extermination of the Jewish people everywhere because my God demands it. I support the total destruction of your society and its replacement with one where my values, and my values alone, are enforced with the full force of Law. If you choose to believe anything other than what I believe, you will do so from beneath my boot on your neck."
The Germans shrugged thier shoulders and ignored the swastikas and armbands of an unpleasant minority. Look where it got them. Now another unpleasant minority is playing the same game with exactly the same goals. Here we go again.
Being spat upon should be the least of their worries. History has already been through this and they wish to drag us through it again.
they should also promote segregation, get slapped by partners and cut off their clits for the true experience
Muslims DO go through a lot! They go through Christian Churches, Jewish Synagogues, and Buddhist Monastaries and bomb them to oblivion. AND THEN they have to kill and maim their female relatives for imagined offenses! It's so tragic! How do they stand it? What's more important...why do we stand them? DEPORT THEM!!!
The response of the co-eds to the Moslem girls at Cal State should have been: "o.k., we'll wear hijabs -- your hijabs -- and you can do without wearing them for a while. That's fair, isn't it?"
Hi London Jim,
Probably too epic!
Thank you though.
Yea traeh. .wouldn't want to rattle them 'moderates' eh ?
"Go through," my foot! If you don't want people looking at you, take off that ugly outfit!
O.K., here's an idea....let " honest ibb" { mouuthpiece for cair} go through what the copts in Egypt have to go through.
Yeah, I'd lke to see that.
1 Peter 3:14-16
14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
Anyone infidel who loves his mom and knows what Islam does to women, has to hate Islam.
London Jim, if only I could!
I wonder what the Muslim Brotherhood, CSU and the Useful Idiots would say if later, one of the "women" Hijab Challengers turned out to be a ...
man.
Remember that film 'Blue Eyes', that used a role-play to show how segregation and bullying work? And wasn't there a psych experiment that divided people into 'Wardens' and 'Prisoners'.
I think we need a brave academic to supervise a similar role-play experiment, cast as a sort of 'game show', called 'Muslims and Dhimmis'.
The participants get to role-play being Muslims and Dhimmis.
You arbitrarily divide them into two groups and one group gets to be the Muslims and the other group are the Dhimmis and then - using the rules in the Pact of Omar, for starters (but there is lots more, in the Hadith and elsewhere, about how to make the dhimmis 'feel subdued'; like the Hadith that says a Muslim must never initiate a greeting to a dhimmi, and must push him or her to 'the narrowest part of the street').
The 'Muslims' would swagger about with toy guns or plastic swords, while the Dhimmis wouldn't be allowed to have anything. The 'Muslims' would be allowed to beat up and spit on the Dhimmis (this part would have to be simulated, lest things get out of hand) and the Dhimmis would be told they have to either run away (if they can) or say nothing and do nothing to resist and 'take it'.
The 'Dhimmis' would be given a token amount of money to use on set, and then they would have to pay most of it to the Muslims as 'jizya'...
The Dhimmis would be given a playhouse made of cardboard boxes and told that it's their church, or synagogue, or a Hindu or Buddhist temple.
On the second day of the 'game' they would go to their 'special place' and find out that part of it had fallen down. Or it would be in pieces, and they would be told that a storm or a flood or a fire had destroyed it; but the Rules for Dhimmis say that you can't build a new one.
I think it would be *really* interesting to run something like that for about three or four days.
And then tell the 'Dhimmi' participants that what they just went through is the barest, palest reflection of what dhimmi communities endured within the lands of Islam for 1300 years; and that the attitudes and patterns of behaviour the 'Muslims' were displaying, are similar to what Muslims display toward Christians, Hindus and Buddhists *today* in many Islamic countries.
This has been done before.
Read here.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/02/nc-state-non-muslim-students-experience-a-day-behind-the-veil.html
And this is what 'Hugh', Hugh Fitzgerald, had to say:
Hugh had the same idea as I - inspired by his earlier post, which I wasn't sure I'd be able to find - attempted to outline above.
Hugh puts it sooo much better. Do we have any non-PC educators, lurking out there, somewhere in the wilds of academe, who are ready to be inspired?
Hugh | February 2, 2007 9:47 AM
'Yes, payment of the Jizyah would have been fun.
'And the way it should have been conducted is this.
'First, have only the real Muslim students demanding the payment of Jizyah from the real non-Muslim students.
'Make it as large a payment as would have been the real Jizyah, one that inflicts a real burden.
'Say, make students hand over cash from their parents, or several months' rent, or the title to their car. (All in good fun, of course, all for the purposes of pedagogy).
' Have students role-play as Muslims and dhimmis: let a Muslim take something from a non-Muslim student, or push him down on the ground, or start pawing at his girlfriend.
'Something small, just to give a taste.
'Now inform the non-Muslim student that he has simply no right to retaliate, no right, either, to sue the offending Muslim student.
'Make sure, by the way, that non-Muslim students always give way to Muslims, as they walk down the hall, standing aside, meekly.
'Do everything to provide equivalents to the real behavior forced upon non-Muslims in a Muslim-dominated society.
' Read aloud from the Muslim texts, or from the texts of Western scholars of the dhimmi condition,such as Antoine Fattal's study of the legal condition of non-Muslims under Islma (and what samaritan will pay to have that book translated?).
'Then offer to the non-Muslim students the possibiliyt of "becoming Muslims," and instead of paying the Jizyah, to receive the Jizyah, instead of being the object of Muslim bullying, being able to bully, without any repercussions, those who are non-Muslims, instead of having to stand meekly aside, or to endure a dozen other ways of being humiliated and degraded (ask the students to come up with ways to do that -- they'll be quite creative), they now have the chance not to take it any longer.
'And some may actually find that they will also want to dish it out.
'Yes, there will be plenty of "voluntary reversions" to Islam among the students after they have role-played the parts of Muslims and non-Muslims for a day or two. And that should be instructive.
'Yes, indeed, that will teach them something of how lands once entirely non-Muslim, and conquered by a very small group of Muslims -- in Mesopotamia, and Syria, and Judea, and Egypt, and the rest of North Africa, and in Persia, and Anatolia, and beyond to Hindustan and East Asia -- nonetheless, over time, became in many cases almost totally Muslim (with holdouts here and there: the Maronites, the Copts, the Maronites, the Jews who spread out in Dar al-Islam or more distantly, in certain parts of Dar al-Harb) in-gathered in modern Israel), or where the number of non-Muslims was too great (as in Hindustan), despite mass killings, the Muslims always remained a minority of slave-masters (the same people who, at the Mughal Court, became the object of such upscale but still recognizably Barbara-Cartlandish treatment at the hands of such romance-novellette historians as William Dalrymple).
A lesson. A lesson for everyone."