In "Happy Halal Thanksgiving" in the American Thinker today, Pamela Geller reveals the shocking truth: if you've gotten a Butterball turkey for Thanksgiving, it's halal:
Did you know that the turkey you're going to enjoy on Thanksgiving Day this Thursday is probably halal? If it's a Butterball turkey, then it certainly is -- whether you like it or not.In my book Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance, I report at length on the meat industry's halal scandal: its established practice of not separating halal meat from non-halal meat, and not labeling halal meat as such. And back in October 2010, I reported more little-noted but explosive new revelations: that much of the meat in Europe and the United States is being processed as halal without the knowledge of the non-Muslim consumers who buy it.
I discovered that only two plants in the U.S. that perform halal slaughter keep the halal meat separated from the non-halal meat, and they only do so because plant managers thought it was right to do so. At other meat-packing plants, animals are slaughtered following halal requirements, but then only a small bit of the meat is actually labeled halal.
Now here is yet more poisonous fruit of that scandal.
A citizen activist and reader of my website AtlasShrugs.com wrote to Butterball, one of the most popular producers of Thanksgiving turkeys in the United States, asking them if their turkeys were halal. Wendy Howze, a Butterball Consumer Response Representative, responded: "Our whole turkeys are certified halal."
In a little-known strike against freedom, yet again, we are being forced into consuming meat slaughtered by means of a torturous method: Islamic slaughter.
Halal slaughter involves cutting the trachea, the esophagus, and the jugular vein, and letting the blood drain out while saying "Bismillah allahu akbar" -- in the name of Allah the greatest. Many people refuse to eat it on religious grounds. Many Christians, Hindus or Sikhs and Jews find it offensive to eat meat slaughtered according to Islamic ritual (although observant Jews are less likely to be exposed to such meat, because they eat kosher). [...]
Non-Muslims in America and Europe don't deserve to have halal turkey forced upon them in this way, without their knowledge or consent. So this Thanksgiving, fight for your freedom. Find a non-halal, non-Butterball turkey to celebrate Thanksgiving this Thursday. And write to Butterball and request, politely but firmly, that they stop selling only halal turkeys, and make non-halal turkeys available to Americans who still value our freedoms.
Stephanie Styons at Butterball Corporate sstyons@merrellgroup.com is the contact for those who want to let the company know their feelings about stealth halal turkeys. Also here is the Butterball website for plant locations, which lists whole turkeys as being produced at their North Carolina and Arkansas plants....
Pamela Geller has more here. This is a SIOA Action Alert:
Join our Facebook page, Boycott Butterball Turkey.
Please write courteously and politely to Butterball, LLC in North Carolina: 1628 Garners Chapel Road, Mt. Olive, NC 28365. Call 919-658-6743. And in Arkansas: Butterball, 1200 N. College Avenue, Huntsville, AR 72740. Call 479-738-2151.
drip...drip...drip
I called Linda (she would not give me her name or extension number at Butterball because she doesn't want to get a lot of phone calls personally) at Butterball and she told me repeatedly that the turkeys are not conscious when the cutting of the trachea, the esophagus, and the jugular vein take place, but that the animals are rendered completely unconscious before any cutting takes place. I pointed out that this is not acceptable for "halal" certification but she did not agree that the animals needed to be conscious when slaughtered to be designated halal. She said that "a tape is played" containing the offending words during the process. When I asked her why this is done, she said that they recently started shipping turkey to the Middle East and that this is being done for their muslim consumers overseas. When I pointed out that the US is their major market and that we should not be subject to the dictates of a minority religion in our food choices, she agreed.
Please call 1-800-BUTTERBALL and register complaints! Let's tie up their phone lines and disrupt their holiday Customer Service.
Halal creatures are alive while their blood flows from their body.
UK schoolchildren are FORCED to eat only bled-to-death-in-agony meat.
There is only 1 "moral evil" allowed in Western Civilization: "islamophobia."
Well, scratch another one off of my "consumer" list FOREVER!
Along with Hyatt, Intercontinental, buses with Muslim "outreach advertising", etc., etc.
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I'll show 'em all! I'll order pig straight from APF for my Thanksgiving!! Maybe he'll slip a quatrain in, or two.
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Screw 'em. Occupy Turkey. :]
...the food, that is.
Hey Dowse, what did your screen name used to be? Why did you change it? Were you banned?
The stealth 'normalisation' of halal-slaughtered meat to become the unlabelled norm - and, for that matter, for halal-certified food products of any kind, to become the unlabelled norm - is happening in Australia as well.
Barnabas Fund has had a 'all halal ought to be labelled' 'consumer choice!!' campaign going, not only in the UK but elsewhere, for some time.
The fledgling counter-jihad group in Australia, The Q Society, are also tackling the issue.
it isn't just an 'animal cruelty' issue.
The *real* kicker is that to be certified halal, a business must **pay money** periodically to a Muslim entity which will 'inspect' and issue the certification. (Can anybody find out just how much such certification can cost a business?)
The 'inspection and certification' thing seemingly can't just happen once; it has to be repeated at intervals, just so's the Muslims can be **suuure** that that product really is halal. And that all adds to the cost of production..which is then passed on to the consumer.
Nice little earner for the Muslim 'certifiers'; a way of siphoning off, into the pockets of the ummah, a percentage of all the profits from the food industry (and not only food, cosmetics and such are also 'certified' halal...).
I don't know how much it costs...but it means that a tiny percentage of the price of any item that has been certified halal flows into the pockets of the Ummah, and who knows where it goes from there...Jihad? Da'wa? Very likely.
And there is an additional problem.
As regards meat products, since really strict halal requirements insist on Muslims doing the slaughtering, Muslims can end up gaining a monopoly on butchering and processing of all non-pork meats. In Uganda, under the Islamophile Idi Amin, Muslims ended up monopolising the meat industry...and that in a majority-Christian country; so far as I know, they still hold that monopoly.
When halal meat becomes the norm, the default option, Muslims can potentially end up running the whole thing, from the killing floor to the butcher's shop; and non-Muslim abattoir owners, non-Muslim slaughterers and butchers, end up being squeezed out of the business.
Hello. Just trying to have my voice rise above the Nazi moderators at "American Thinker." My comment, shot down, was:
"Thanks for the heads up, Pamela! This seems deceptive if the poor creature is not clearly labeled as what it is: a bird sacrificed to Allah."
Why do they publish Pamela Geller's article if they don't want any flack about or from it?
I mean 'flak.'
Also scrubbed from a previously approved comment from an astute observer:
Obviously the majority of the posters have capitulated to the Islamization of Thanksgiving...look to England for a snapshot of America's future. [paraphrased]
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Perhaps "American" thinker is not really its niche anymore?
E mail sent.
"Many Christians, Hindus or Sikhs and Jews find it offensive to eat meat slaughtered according to Islamic ritual"
Probably, but I'm a Christian, too, and this whole thing reminds me of Paul talking about eating meat sacrificed to idols. The idols themselves (meaning Allah in this case) do not exist, so meat's meat.
All the more reason to buy a local farm raised turkey....
Never again a Butterball for me.
Where's PETA on this? Or are they just counting sheep?
Yes, Paul said the choice of whether or not to eat meat sacrificed to idols belongs with the conscience of each believer. I choose not to.
It used to be "Horse".
And yes, I was banned.//off
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You really assume alot, as I told you once before.
And, as I told you once before... none of your business.
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Would you like to ask me about any good recipes about how to cook a turkey?
I called Butterball and spoke to someone in the public relations department. She confirmed that "some" of the whole turkeys were halal. I then asked her if the halal turkeys were labeled as such, or if they would be in the future so that consumers could make an informed choice. The woman started stammering but finally managed to say that their products were labeled IAW USDA regulations. I didn't find this answer satisfactory at all since it did not answer the question I was asking. I kept repeating the question and she kept stuttering back the same response. I finally told her that I would interpret her response as "no" (that Butterball was not and had no intention of ever voluntarily labeling their products plainly). I asked her to tell her bosses that I would never again purchase Butterball products.
She seemed quite happy with my decision.
I encourage all JW readers to do the same. Let's see if we can't just make her so delighted that she winds up getting laid off due to a consumer boycott.
Clearly, Butterball seems to prefer doing business with muslim countries.
My next phone call was to my US Senator's office to explain halal slaughter to his aide and to submit a request that the Senator introduce legislation requiring food products be clearly labeled if they are prepared according to the dietary sanctions of any religion. I told the aide that after fighting in Iraq, I'd be damned if I sat around on American Thanksgiving and was forced to eat halal turkey.
On the way home from work I went to my favorite grocery store and spoke to the manager. I relayed my conversation with Butterball's PR dept, explained halal slaughter and asked that he immediately post a sign warning consumers that all the Butterball whole turkeys are probably halal. I asked him to relay this to his corporate headquarters so they could verify it. I made it quite clear that I would never be buying any Butterball products again.
For Thanksgiving, Annie et al might be eating steak or ham. Or we might be eating venison. Or we might be eating wild turkey (and perhaps drinking some Wild Turkey, too). Or we might be eating squirrel. Or we might eat some tasty catfish.
One thing I can guarantee.....we will not be eating Butterball products!
What is the difference between Halal slaughter and Kosher slaughter?
There are a lot of myths about shechitah (kosher slaughter) and the following articles might clear them up:
(Dr. Temple Grandin is a professor at Colorado State University.)
http://www.grandin.com/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shechita
what if we don't want a kosher or a halal but prefer eating foods that are prayed over by the Hindu Gods idols? or otherwise known as prasad. Will US US food manufacturers want certify all foods as prasad?
At a meeting with the Rabbis of France, Brice Hortefeux assured the assembly that:
http://www.interieur.gouv.fr/sections/le_ministre/interventions/fetes-tishri4948/view
"Aujourd’hui, alors qu’un vote au Parlement européen pourrait remettre ce travail en question en imposant un étiquetage discriminant pour l’abattage rituel, nous restons particulièrement vigilants. Vous pouvez compter sur ma mobilisation et celle des députés français au Parlement européen pour que le projet n’aboutisse pas."
"Today,as the the European Parliament could reassess the discrimatory labelling for ritual slaughter, we remain particularly vigilant. You may count on my actions and those of French Member of Parliamentent at the European Parliament that this project will not come to fruition".
The mandatory labelling of Halal and Kosher foods is therefore officially considered discrimatary.
The Brigitte Bardot Foundation, who for many years have compained for end of ritual slaughter without firstly stunning the animal placed posters all over France.
http://www.fdesouche.com/201579-abattage-rituel-l%E2%80%99ue-vote-l%E2%80%99etiquetage-%C2%AB-abattus-sans-etourdissement-%C2%BB/comment-page-5
The difference that matters, between kosher and halal, is not the slaughter method.
What matters is the differing attitude and agenda of Muslims as compared to Jews.
Jews aren't overtly and/ or covertly pushing for *all* non-pork meat animals in Gentile lands to be subjected to kosher slaughter. They're not angling for a situation in which everything is kosher whether other people want it to be, or not. Jews have their own little 'kosher shops', and they leave it at that. In Israel, of course, it's different - I think kosher is more the norm, there - but then, there they are are in their own house, so to speak and have a right to cook what they please and prepare it how they like. Elsewhere, they are generally very conscious of having to be 'good guests' in other people's houses. Whereas Muslims march in and take over, because Muslims are like three year olds: what's theirs is theirs and what you think is yours (silly you!) is theirs also; Muslims want everything done their way, always and everywhere.
Muslims - a minority within the West - seem to be pushing for a scenario where halal is the unlabelled *norm*; they are seeking to deny the consumer's right to choose.
And as I said above, if all non-pork meat has to be halal, then that ends up giving Muslims a huge amount of control over most of the meat industry. Because strict sharia requires that the halal slaughterer must be a Muslim. If all meat ends up halal, then non-Muslim slaughterers and butchers get pushed out of the business.
If you are a Christian, in the Bible it says not to eat anything offered up to a false God. So if you eat meat that is killed by a muslim and and is prayed over by a muslim to their false god allah then you are doing what the Bible tells you not to do. If they didn't tell you how it was killed you would never know or taste a difference in the meat. If you really want meat your way then use a local butcher or company that will do it your way. But if you buy a Butterball turkey after you know how and by whom it is killed then you are going against the scriptures.
As for using different meat for Thanksgiving or Christmas use a HAM as muslims don't use that animal. But as using a Wild Turkey, I might not be eating one but might be drinking one..To each his own. If you love muslims then eat a Butterball Turkey. I won't.
Halal food and finance are sharia stepping stones to enable the west to gradually accept more islamification.
I object to food slaughtered inhumanely, for which I have to pay a religious tax, and I object even more that I have no choice in the matter. Ritually slaughtered food ends up everywhere, but there is no justification for insisting that halal food be clearly labelled as such but to exempt other religions exempt from this obligation. Any law that applied only to islamic food would last only as long as weekend, when the law courts reopen.
The French Rabbis understand this dilemma and this is why they find common ground with the Paris Mosque when they claim that forcible labelling is discrimatory.
I only buy from a local butcher and ask him him every time in front of other customers if he can assure me that the meat has been stunned before it was killed.
Knowing that a cow can take ten minutes to bleed to death, while its cries can be heard elsewhere in the abbatoir is too cruel to imagine and I doubt that God would want his creatures to suffer such a fate.
Please note that a animal that was severly stressed at the time of death releases toxins that spoil the taste of the meat.
If ever you have a chance to meet an organic meat farmer, you will note the degree of care he has for his animals and he will often know and visit regularly the abatoir where the animals are killed.
The ritual slaughter of animals issue mainly applies factory meat production where the chances are that animal has suffered its entire life. If most are not fussy about the hormone and gmo intake of the poor animal, it's doubtful whether the ritual slaughter aspect will bother the average consumer much.
No thanks, my Thanksgiving dinner is catered.
Yes -- do you have a favored brining method?
That's just lovely CGW. I trust you won't be probing for anymore personal information - right?
Have a nice day.
I have already done my due diligence on you and know all about you, where you live and work, and what your . . . ahem, "qualifications" are. Funny, you call yourself a "University Professor" (let's make sure to capitalize that) but I can find no record of a PhD or JD in the USA, some thing required for professorship in an accredited university - although not in Mexico, I am sure. Having taught at the university level myself in this country, I know exactly what your "game" is, Horsefeathers.
Actually, Jolene, I know nothing about cooking turkeys - I was being facetious with a certain obnoxious poster.
In the case of this article, however, I believe I would be more concerned with contracting an Exorcist to pray over the poor bird, rather than delivery of salt to the product.
My mother used to rub salt and pepper all over it (generously), then let it soak in, then rub again. That's all I remember...sorry.
BTW, as an English teacher, I wouldn't expect errors from you.
any more - not anymore
You go screw yourself buddy. You don't know who I am, what I do, or what my qualifications are. I see, for some reason, you have become obsessed with me - for what reason I do not know, but perhaps you might try to lay off, before I complain to Robert and Marisol.
Beat it buddy.
And by the way, your sideways insult reflects your racist attitudes toward Mexicans. Why don't you come down to UVM, where I teach, and I'll have a couple of my Seniors set you straight?
Again - chill with the personal obsession, or I'll do some due diligence on you, dipshit.
I am no more obsessed with you than I am with any other turd.
You seem to have delusions of grandeur and it smells of BS, that's all. You have an MA in English from NYU-AL and you teach English to Mexican undergrads in Hermosillo. How hard is that? I taught Spanish to American undergrads IN THE USA.
As far as being racist, I've lived, worked and studied in Mexico myself - I EVEN MARRIED A MEXICAN.
I'm done with you. Your puffed-up sense of superiority is cruising for a takedown. I hope some good old boys take care of it. Nasty area you've chosen for your family.
OH, and I'm not your "buddy".
Robert? Marisol?
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Dear Robert and Marisol:
The guidelines for your site states that it is “mostly unmoderated”, and that certain comments may be deleted for various reasons, including, “otherwise annoying”.
What follows is an exchange between a certain poster on your site, CGW, who, as you can see, has become obsessive in his “interest” in me, to the point of being “otherwise annoying”.
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Look, I come to this site because I enjoy reading what others have to say. I also like to say a few things myself, when I find time. What I studiously avoid, however, is the kind of personal probing, sideways insults, and frankly, creepy behavior that is evidenced in CGW’s posts:
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CGW: “Hey Dowse, what did your screen name used to be? Why did you change it? Were you banned?”
Dowse: “It used to be "Horse".
And yes, I was banned.//off
You really assume alot, as I told you once before.
And, as I told you once before... none of your business.
Would you like to ask me about any good recipes about how to cook a turkey?
CGW: “No thanks, my Thanksgiving dinner is catered.”
Dowse: “That's just lovely CGW. I trust you won't be probing for anymore personal information - right?
Have a nice day.”
CGW: “I have already done my due diligence on you and know all about you, where you live and work, and what your . . . ahem, "qualifications" are. Funny, you call yourself a "University Professor" (let's make sure to capitalize that) but I can find no record of a PhD or JD in the USA, some thing required for professorship in an accredited university - although not in Mexico, I am sure. Having taught at the university level myself in this country, I know exactly what your "game" is, Horsefeathers.”
Dowse: “You go screw yourself buddy. You don't know who I am, what I do, or what my qualifications are. I see, for some reason, you have become obsessed with me - for what reason I do not know, but perhaps you might try to lay off, before I complain to Robert and Marisol.
Beat it buddy.
And by the way, your sideways insult reflects your racist attitudes toward Mexicans. Why don't you come down to UVM, where I teach, and I'll have a couple of my Seniors set you straight?
Again - chill with the personal obsession, or I'll do some due diligence on you, dipshit."
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So, as you can see, Robert and Marisol, this has gone on far too long, and I will leave this site, if nothing is done about the abusive poster named, CGW.
Whiny-whiny-na-na. You big-a$$ed baby. You actually THREATENED to perpetrate physical violence on me with some of YOUR Seniors (let's capitalize that as well). You should be banned again.
Go ahead and leave. Do you think Marisol and Robert actually give a flying F what you do? You've already been banned under a different nic but snuck (OK, sneaked) back in. That's not allowed here, you know.
BTW, for an English "teacher", your punctuation sucks. Ever hear of hyper-correction?
So you're obsessed with turds?
And you think I have a Master's from NYU - AL? What is that?
"and you teach English to Mexican undergrads in Hermosillo. How hard is that? I taught Spanish to American undergrads IN THE USA."
So what? I don't give a sh*t where you've taught, or to whom, or your obsession with me. And again, you assume too much: "Nasty area you've chosen for your family."
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Dude, I'm beginning to think you're crazy. So bug off, and if you seem to think I have a puffed-up sense of superiority, too bad. That's your problem. Oh, and, I sent that email to Robert and Marisol. We'll see who gets the "takedown".
You've threatened me also:
"I'm done with you. Your puffed-up sense of superiority is cruising for a takedown. I hope some good old boys take care of it."
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Well, CGW. I'm very very happy that you're, finally, "done with me". I'm so very pleased. Now bugger off, I've got a class to teach and I'm spending much too much time on a stalker from Jihad Watch.
Dude, go see a therapist!
Let's write to Butterball and to the EEOC (http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/religion.cfm) regarding Butterball's religious discrimination against non-Muslims. For convenience, the email may be printed and faxed or mailed.
To: Ms. Howze
To: Stephanie Styons, Butterball Corporate, sstyons@merrellgroup.com
Or write to: Butterball Consumer Affairs, PO box 1547, Kings Mountain, NC 28086
To: EEOC (http://www.eeoc.gov/field/index.cfm, Butterball plants in MO, AR, CO, and NC)
EEOC for MO: James R. Neely, Jr., Director, Robert A. Young Federal Building, 1222 Spruce St., Rm 8.100, St. Louis, MO 63103, fax (314) 539-7894
EEOC for AR: Katharine Kores, Director, 1407 Union Avenue, 9th floor, Memphis, TN 38104, fax: 901-544-0111
EEOC for CO: Rayford O. Irvin, Director, 300 North Central Avenue, Suite 690, Phoenix, AZ 85012-2504, fax 602-640-5071
EEOC for NC: Reuben Daniels, Jr., Director, 129 West Trade Street, Suite 400, Charlotte, North Carolina 28202, fax 704-954-6410 and 704-344-6734
Dear Ms. Howze:
I have read your letter (see below) which was in response to an inquiry if Butterball food is halal. You state that your whole turkeys are halal, in fact you state that they are "certified" halal. For food to be halal, it must be prepared by Muslims and not touched by non-Muslims. That would mean that Butterball only hires Muslims to grow, transport, and prepare their food. That would mean that non-Muslims are discriminated against because of their religion
I am forwarding your email to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) to be put on file. Then, when a non-Muslim is denied employment and files a complaint with the EEOC, the EEOC will have on file your declaration that only Muslims are hired by Butterball to make Butterball's main foods halal.
Sincerely,
November 14, 2011
Thanks for contacting Butterball. Our whole turkeys are certified halal. However, if you would like to know about any other Butterball products, please email us back as to which products you are interested in using and we can get that information for you.
Again, thanks for your interest in Butterball. We hope you find this information helpful.
Sincerely,
Wendy Howze
Consumer Response Representative
Ref: Y453882
Whew . . telling Robert and Marisol is OK. They know me well.
Just don't tell your mommy!
Just go away, would you?
Your abusive comments are all being forwarded to those in charge of this site.
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You started this bizarre attack on my "screen name"; and why? God only knows, but I've had quite enough.
You have some wires crossed.
Go see a therapist, and stop attacking anonymous posters on the internet.
And now, I am done with you; why? You're bat-sh*t crazy, that's why.
Islamic and Jewish dietary laws of halal and kosher are very similar, dealing with treatment and slaughter of animals. Kosher also does not allow pork, just as Halal does not, but is more restrictive since shellfish, lobster and shrimp are halal but are not kosher. Generally, kosher and halal meat has to go through more inspections to insure the health of the meat.
Most fast food establishment are halal (and often kosher) in order to accommodate Jewish and Muslim customers...that is business. Check under Halal in Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, and stop ignorant claims.
Therefore one should not be crying "wolf", when there is no wolf present, and concentrate on real dangers of some Islamic ideas, such as their irrational Jew-hatred, dhimmitude and disdain for life on Earth, which are the roots of terrorism, not halal!
Eventually, to enforce Sharia law, Butterball (and other companies) will ONLY have Muslim butchers to slaughter the animals halal. U.S. citizens (non-Muslims) need to be aware that they can file complaints with the EEOC for religious discrimination (i.e., being fired or not hired because they are non-Muslim butchers) and the EEOC is obliged to investigate. We need to be willing to stand up for our Constitutionally protected rights or they will be taken from us.
And you are a poseur.
Mary - great idea! Please let us know on this thread if and when you recieve a response.
Kudos to you and to all other anti-dhimmitude warriors!
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Pam also has a discussion about this at Atlas:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/11/pamela-geller-american-thinker-hapy-halal-thanksgiving.html
mike, according to the article, kosher slaughter forbids rendering the animal unconscious prior to the slaughter. This seems just as inhumane to me as the halal procedure.
Despite the mechanics of it, I still object to the sacrifice of my food to a Satanic entity, which is what I believe "allah" to be. The negligence in labeling is also objectionable. This problem does not exist with regard to kosher meat.
I thought that there were laws on the books about humane slaughter. How do religions get away with avoiding these laws?
Fuck you. I've had enough. Just come on down, psycho, and we'll settle this mano a mano.
You want to level insults you ignorant fuck? Come and do it face to face.
You're a real tough guy behind the keyboard.
Let's see how tough you are in person, psycho.
Watch out, your mommy will spank you for starting fights!
Isn't there anyone else you can tattle to, to make yourself feel all better?
The next step past bullying is *crying* when you've had your nose bloodied. It could happen.
David -- I kid you not, this is one of the best brining recipes I have tried. It is from the son of (gasp) Pat Robertson. But you have to log in to get it.
http://my.cbn.com/pg/file/2c42723c-85a0-45f1-b23a-11070111181d/read/4077932/gordons-best-turkey-brine/
It's good. Really.
Thanks, Jolene. You can imagine I needed a little comfort.
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I looked at your link, and I had NO IDEA! There's all kinds of combinations and interesting things to do with those birds. (or are they fowl? i don't know)
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Again, from the pompous guy in Mexico - thanks...
Sorry for the F bombs above. I'm American. I believe in duels.
David
I think CGW read your hint about your previous identity, to mean that *you* were 'Horse'...when in fact I have a pretty fair idea that you're someone who had many a sparring match *with* Horse, and finally got tired of being attacked by him, and of his spamming and jamming of the threads, and went away and only came back here, under a new moniker, when Marisol decided she had had enough of 'Horse' (and of the various subsequent incarnations he attempted) and the jihadwatch comments floor was, once again, a 'Horse-'free zone.
"The next step past bullying is *crying* when you've had your nose bloodied. It could happen. "
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You're a punk. Come on down and we'll test your theory.
You make lotsa' threats. Let's go, punk. We'll see.
You're a punk-ass Jihadi, in essence. When the rubber meets the road, I think your theory's gonna fall apart.
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But by all means, let's test it, CGW. Come on down. What are you afraid of?
Well, DDA. I don't know what to say, since the "attack" came out of nowhere.
But, as I've said - I've had enough of him. It's duel time.
Why don't you come to me, you big - not - man?
Oh wait, I know why.
Your repeated threats to perpetrate physical violence upon me have not gone unnoticed. Marisol is monitoring this thread. Robert is aware that you are here without the benefit of his good grace, having previously been banned and then reinventing yourself.
I have not personally threatened you in any way; I merely speculated and opined upon what I think you deserve. Tisk, tisk . . . your overt hostility and aggression are quite telling. I do believe that I may have struck more than a single nerve.
For an English "teacher", you make at least one mistake per post, either in spelling, grammar or punctuation. I pity the students having their papers corrected by the likes of you!
It's tomato.
dda, he *was* "Horse".
Once an a$$hole, always an a$$hole.
BTW, are you going to be able to see Robert while he's there? He's en route as I write. I know that he has a lot of Aussie fans; I hope some of them try to show him a bit of fun while he's there. I've admonished him about "all work and no play"! From what I've heard, Oz is the perfect place to kick back and have a good time, in perfect keeping with the Aussie nature!
Can Dag Walker send me your email address, or can I have him send you mine? He's in Peru now, you know. I'm in daily contact with him. He hasn't been able to update No Dhimmitude lately due to persistent connectivity problems, but there are a few entries there from the early part of his stay in Lima. Not much to do with dhimmitude or the lack of it, but interesting nonetheless.
Stop foaming at the mouth, you madman.
Perhaps dropping a few more "F bombs" will make you feel better, you uncouth lout.
I don't understand how this is any different than keeping Kosher with a Rabbi blessing the food a la YHVH/EL/Elohim or a Christian praying over the meal before eating it.
Dawn, whether or not one objects to the words said over the animal is one thing; objecting on ethical grounds to the method of slaughter is another. In the latter sense, kosher and halal are on pretty equal footing.
Christians don't "sacrifice" their animal slaughter to any entity. Blessing the meal is an entirely different matter. As secular or Christian consumers, we should not be forced to accept others' religious dietary restrictions. Labeling, so as to afford us consumer choice in decision-making, is the issue, no matter the varied reasons behind the decisions.
I don't have a problem with others' religious dietary restrictions - let's be honest here, this is a method of slaughter, not a restrictive diet such as those with allergies. This isn't religious suppression (or religious cooercion). This is a methodology based on religious guidelines. The only people I would see might have a problem with this would be atheists.
I for one *do* object to animals being conscious when slaughtered in the above-mentioned manner and I would not buy those products. Proper labeling would ensure that I have that choice. The failure to properly label certified-halal products is deceptive marketing.
By that statement, you would also object to the practices at a turkey farm in Alaska since those birds were conscious when slaughtered:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ybEbrQeOA&feature=related
Correct?
Absolutely.
We have laws on the books regarding humane slaughter. "Religions" think that they are somehow above these laws and are able to impose their vile, barbaric practices on our modern society. musloids have even attempted to stage ritual slaughter mass-events in suburban neighborhoods at the end of ramadan.
I am against inhumane slaughter in all cases. I object to its very practice, but if I am powerless as to its prevention then I am at least able to boycott its results, utilizing my purchasing power, and that of my fellows of like-mind, to effect change in that way. Even if I can't make a concrete difference in either the production process or the sale of its products, I can still make a personal choice according to my conscience. If a company wants my business, they will have to earn it. That's the way of capitalism. Free choice, free markets.
Got a Butterball turkey for Thanksgiving? You're eating halal
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This is not only appalling, it is also utterly bizarre. One would assume that the only benefit a company would gain from producing Halal meat would be from reaching the Muslim market—since Halal butchery is otherwise more costly and labor-intensive to practice.
But both in Britain and now in the United States we are finding "stealth Halal" meat, that isn't even labeled as such, which—you would think—defeats the whole purpose.
Times like this I'm especially glad to be a vegetarian. I know that my "Tofurkey" wasn't killed inhumanely nor was it sacrificed to the vile "God" Allah.
Pass the gravy!
graven, what is Tofurkey like, and where do you buy it?
CGW wrote, replying to Dumbledore's Army re David Dowse:
dda, he *was* "Horse".
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I'm sorry, CGW—this is terribly silly. David has *none* of "Horse's" distinct cadences nor any of his well-known obsessions. He was being sarcastic when he claimed he had posted here as "Horse".
Something in David's posts may have rubbed you the wrong way, but accusing him of being a Muslim apologist simply makes no sense.
I have long respected your posts, CGW.
I also enjoy David's. I believe I know who he was, and he was another staunch anti-Jihadist. But it doesn't really whether I'm correct or not—since David's comments really speak for themselves.
I will continue to look forward to both your posts—except for the one's slamming each other, of course.
For now, I wish *both of you* a very Happy Thanksgiving!
graven, what is Tofurkey like, and where do you buy it?
That double post was a mistake. I don't know what happened.
Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving to you, graven!
CGW wrote:
graven, what is Tofurkey like, and where do you buy it?
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It's actually quite good, CGW—even though "Tofurky" has become a bit of a punchline.
It's not, as it sounds, a giant tofu turkey—bleh. It's more like a stuffed turkey breast—and it's gluten, not tofu, despite its name.
You can find it at most health food stores like Trader Joe's and Whole Foods.
http://vegetarian.about.com/od/shoppingproducts/qt/buyingtofurky.htm
In any case, most of what I fix is *very* traditional—mashed yams, pumpkin pie, mushroom gravy, cranberry-orange sauce—all of it from scratch.
So here's wishing you—and everyone else here—a happy "Turkey Day"!
Hi Dawn.
I object, as a Christian, to eating an animal slaughtered under the "allah" name. A name which I know to be of a false god, al-ilah, the moon goddess. I do my best not to eat anything offered up to a false god because it is so written in my Bible. In fact, my home is kept pork free too!