Who you gonna believe, the mufti or your lyin' eyes? "Egypt mufti denies discrimination, plays down Islamists," by Tom Heneghan for Reuters, November 22:
BETHANY BEYOND THE JORDAN, Jordan (Reuters) - Egypt's highest Islamic legal official denied on Tuesday that minority Christians faced sectarian discrimination and said Islamists would win no more than 20 percent of votes in next week's election.
You will want to read this one sitting down.
Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa said Egypt had done its best to abolish discrimination against Copts, who make up 10 percent of Egypt's roughly 80 million population, but a small minority of radical salafist Islamists were causing trouble.
Coptic leaders accuse the army of not protecting them against salafist attacks and cracking down more harshly on their protests than others. About 25 died last month when army trucks charged a mostly Coptic protest in Cairo.
"There is no real problem," said Gomaa, Egypt's second-highest Islamic official, whose office oversees the issuing of fatwas, or religious decrees, on application of Muslim law.
The clash last month "was not sectarian violence," he told Reuters at a Catholic-Muslim dialogue conference at the Jordan River in Jordan. "This just echoes the chaotic transition period we have been going through in Egypt." he said.
Sure, it was totally non-sectarian: Muslims took to the streets against Christians after state television broadcast false reports of casualties among soldiers, and called on Egyptians to "protect" the army, though the army seemed to be doing just fine ramming the protesters with armored vehicles.
Gomaa said no more than 250,000 Egyptians were salafists, or radical Islamists, and they and the non-violent Islamist Muslim Brotherhood would win less than one-fifth of the vote.
"In the elections, the Islamists will not get more than 20 percent," Gomaa said through an interpreter. "I'm sure the majority of Egyptians are with the moderate voice of Islam." [...]
The grand mufti said he thought Egypt should retain references in its constitution to Islam as the official religion and the principles of sharia, the Islamic moral and legal code, as the "major source of legislation."
"It will be the same as in the previous constitution," he said.
Liar, liar, pants on fire!
And the Emperor is fully clothed.
with this Grand Misunderstander & his Taqiya words literally fail
AND HELLO!............
have you read that Reuters report!
"Moderate ISLAMIST PARTY???? Ennnahda won almost 42 percent of the vote last month in Tunisia's election for a constituent assembly" ....goodness this deluded reporters obviously a supporter of the "wonderfulTM" aryan i mean .. arab spring
"there's no real problem" with religious discimination and violence, the mufti says. He is correct BECAUSE THE MUSLIMS ARE DISCRIMATING AGAINST AND KILLING CHRISTIANS JUST LIKE THEY'RE INSTRUCTED TO DO -ACCORDING TO THE WRITINGS OF MOHAMMED!
Unfortunately for JihadWatchers, Ali Goma is correct. If we are to look at the statistics (provided by the Church and international organizations), there are approximately 1,530 Christians per church, almost equal to the 1,520 Muslims per mosque - note: There is no such thing as unregistered mosques anymore, as the government has worked extensively in the last five years to formalize all mosques, while no such move has been conducted for churches and there are (according to Pat Roberson and others) hundreds of unofficial churches in the country...not to mention the largest cathedral on the African continent. Economically, 8 of the wealthiest 10 individuals are Christian and the wealthiest organizations as well as a proportion of the largest companies in the country are Christian-owned. In terms of dispersement, Christians are found in every single neighborhood, district, city, and governate in the country, and there is no place that one can call "Christian" - although many will classify Shobra as Christian, 64% of its residents are Muslim according to the latest information.
Ali Goma did also mention in his address, which of course was not covered here, the fact that there are cases of personal discrimination that occur regularly BOTH WAYS between the different religious groups in the country (including Protestant-Coptic discrimination which I can personally verify is rampant and nasty), and that these can only be countered by increased knowledge and cooperation between the faiths. I disagree however with his assessment of the Salafi population, however I agree with his conclusion that Egyptians themselves will not fundamentally change their society at this point.
Try some thinking...
Number of Churches vs. Mosques: straw man.
Wealthy christians vs. wealthy muslims: straw man.
I must've missed the part where egyptian catholics are driving their expensive SUVs over 25 egyptian protestants, or vice versa.
Apologists can't triforce.
Dear AN American: Which "church"
and "international organizations" do you quote? How many mosques in the US have been destroyed by riotng "Christian" mobs? as opposed to Islamic mobs destroying Coptic churches in Egypt as been reportred by CNN!
"Economically, 8 of the wealthiest 10 individuals are Christian and the wealthiest organizations as well as a proportion of the largest companies in the country are Christian-owned." (Exactly how much is "a proportion"? musloids are vague AND stupid.)
Even though they are such a tiny minority of the total population. Glad you mentioned that.
It's because islam breeds ignorance, poverty and disease.
Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa is a well respected man, his fatwas are simply .. uh, sorry, can't find the word!
Here is one of his fatwas:
"The whole body of the Apostle is pure even his .. human waste."
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/11/glory-of-muhammad.html
You're a lying clown!
Egypt was a Christian country until Islam breezed over the horizon with sword drawn in the year of our Lord,639. Since then, the almost 100% Christian country has seen 90% of its Christians disappear.
Due to what?
Islam's aggression and persecution, of course. And Islam's violence and persecution continues unabated today! As Muslim Brotherhood members have been released, attacks on Coptic Christians have increased. Coincidence? No!
You're a lying, cretinous clown! Get thee behind me Satan!
Buraq, tell us how you really feel! :-D
try somw thinking is correct but not when you are high smoking pot!! your argument is a joke at best. I am from Iran and some of the richest Iranian are jews. but jews are considered second call and constantly being harrased. Please post a new blog once you are sober.
M
What we're witnessing is the wholesale falsification of realities on the ground by Muslims and their Leftist abettors. It goes something like this...
Want to avoid linking Muslim immigrants with crime in Sweden? Make it a hate-crime to establish such linkage in the media.
Want to avoid linking Muslim immigrants to riots in France? Establish compulsory code-words for the media to abide by, substituting the word "youth" for Muslim and/or immigrant.
Want to avoid having the multicultural narrative undermined by reporting on the persecution of Christians and other religious minorities throughout the Muslim world? Simply don't. Problem solved.
And on and on...
Rare video of Egyptian tank "mowing down" Christian civilians
(dhimmis 9:29)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kVksx0Q-XY
"Try some thinking?
How about learning some facts...Gomaa has referred that Christians are Infidels...and we know what Islam says about Infidels...don't we..
btw ...how did you enjoy your training in Egypt?
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/10608/top-muslim-declares-christians-infidels
Another interesting perspective on Ali Gomaa:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/12/fitzgerald-ali-gomaa-and-that-strange-thing-the-golden-rule.html#more
Once upon a time Ali Gomaa spoke on apostasy and managed to give half-truths:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/09/muhammad-whoever-changes-his-religion-kill-him.html#more
An American,
"Try some thinking"? Aren't you the propagandist who tried to make the absurd apologetics about what the Islamic texts say about Aisha's age at the time Muhammad consummated the marriage?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/05/really-really-wishing-aisha-werent-nine.html
Anyways, how about you present some relevant data with credible references to support your agreement with Ali Gomaa's assertion that "there is no real problem" of Muslims persecuting Copts in Egypt.
Grand Mufti of Egypt: "There is no real problem" with religious discrimination, violence
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What Ali Goma'a means here is that *he* has no problem with discrimination and violence against the Copts, and neither do most of his coreligionists.
More:
Grand Mufti Ali Goma'a said Egypt had done its best to abolish discrimination against Copts, who make up 10 percent of Egypt's roughly 80 million population, but a small minority of radical salafist Islamists were causing trouble.
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*What crap*. Ali Goma'a has declared Christians to be "Infidels". And what does he have to say about Infidels?
“Muslims must kill non-believers wherever they are unless they convert to Islam.” - Ali Gom’a (Al Ahram, April 7, 2008)
And I see that the appalling and ironically named "An American" is back with his Taqiyya.
On the plight of the Copts.
1. A report on the continual abduction and forcible conversion of Coptic girls (often minors) and women, by Muslims, in Egypt. Many of these girls are entrapped and drugged and raped and beaten and threatened; the methods employed to ensnare them are similar to the methods that pimps use to 'break' girls and women for prostitution. Some Coptic girls indeed end up being used as prostitutes. Some, 'married' to their Muslim rapists, are subsequently discarded like so much rubbish.
http://markdurie.blogspot.com/2009/11/abduction-and-islamization-of-christian.html
http://www.csi-int.org/pdfs/csi_coptic_report.pdf
'A pioneering new report released by Christian Solidarity International and The Coptic Foundation for Human Rights details the abduction, rape, forced marriage and forced islamization of Coptic women and girls in Egypt.
'Despite their significant numbers in Egypt (8-12%), the Christian community, known as the Copts, is frequently subject to widespread marginalization from society and even violent forms of abuse. According to the Egyptian Constitution, Islam is the “religion of the state” and its “principle source of legislation”.
'While the hardship of minority communities in the Middle East is well documented, the abuse detailed in this report reveals a disturbing union of religious oppression, gender-based sexual and physical violence and forced marriage that corresponds with international standards of human trafficking. There have been fifty such cases in the previous year in one Egyptian parish alone....".
If **fifty** girls were snatched and 'disappeared' and forcibly made to join a violent mind-control cult, or trafficked into prostitution, in one district or county of a Western country, there would be an outcry. In Egypt the authorities merely wink and nod and let the kidnappings and rapes and 'disappearances' of Coptic girls continue unobstructed. Just as the Muslim authorities do when Christian and Hindu girls are similarly seized and raped and 'Islamised' in Pakistan.
2/ More, on the same revolting topic of brazen Muslim sexual predation upon Coptic girls:
the testimony of an ex-Muslim who - before he somehow regained his humanity, apostasised from Islam, and now works to try to atone for the evil he did - talks about that well-planned, well-financed campaign of seduction, kidnapping, rape, deliberate degradation and humiliation of Coptic Christian females by Muslim males, in Egypt.
http://www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/confessions.htm
Excerpt:
"Money was spent lavishly to seduce Christian women and girls any way possible.
"The cost in the seventies and early eighties was about five thousand Egyptian pounds for the entrapment of each girl.
"The money was split so that the Muslim man who lured the Christian woman into conversion received half and the members of the police and collaborating associations would receive the other half.
"The work of the proselytizing associations in Egypt continues to take place and the payments for deceptive conversions are now higher.
"Today the average payment for an ordinary girl is ten thousand Egyptian pounds and payments can be as high as two hundred thousand Egyptian pounds if the girl is from a well-known Christian family, or is the daughter of a university professor, a deputy minister, or related to someone from the clergy."
More.
http://markdurie.blogspot.com/2011/03/tsunami-of-persecution-against-copts-of.html
Thursday, March 24, 2011
A Tsunami of Persecution Against the Copts of Egypt
And more:
4/ a harrowing overview of the predicament of the Copts, by Australian scholar and human rights activist, Rev Dr Mark Durie. He discusses the way in which the dhimma though not officially in force shapes the way in which Muslims behave toward Copts in Egypt.
http://markdurie.blogspot.com/2011/10/double-bind-upon-copts-dhimmitude-in.html
Monday, October 10, 2011
A Double-Bind Upon the Copts: dhimmitude in action
And therefore, unsurprisingly:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/38128
Tuesday, 27 September 2011
100,000 Coptic Christians Have Left Eqypt Since The Arab Spring Began.
And I suspect that many, many more would flee to the as-yet-relatively-free non-Muslim lands of the West, if only they could.
An Islamic democracy (Islamic constitution enforced by Sharia law) is just another Muslim country. Sharia-compliant socialism, as Obama has been implementing in the U.S., is yet another, although it also enables New World Order elitist control. Dialogue with the supremacist elitists (Muslim or the World Bank variety) in charge of such governments is worthless. Dialogue would not have stopped Hitler from his supremacist New World Order either. There needs to be a shoring up of defenses against such takeover. There needs to be a defensive offensive against the conquest movements of global jihad and the New World Order. The first line of defense is reasonable law (i.e., U.S. constitution and Bill of Rights, and those laws which champion individual rights). If that fails, as long as it is not suicidal, self-defense is a duty. Let us align with those who oppose Sharia law and the New World Order elitist control.