Iran to U.S., Israel: Don't attack us, or Turkey gets it

Israel and Turkey are currently at odds, relations are exceedingly strained. I can't wait to hear Turkey's official reaction to this development.

See if Prime Minister of Turkey ERDOGAN keeps bragging about his religion, muslim nations like Iran and blaming Israel for anything bad under the sun. I bet he will blame Israel and USA whatever happens. I hope we stop sending my tax dollars to that guy now.

And the downside would be......

So much for this display of friendship between Erdogan and Arabdinejad from not too long ago, huh?

Sounds like a plan...I wish them luck and a speedy recovery...

Iran to bomb Turkey..

Come on Ahmaddy, make my day. Erdoggy, go prepare for counterstrike. Blast each other with some tough Islamic love.

Iran has been gradually losing control of its primary strategy in the ME. By supporting their natural companions Hizballah (Twelver Shi’ites, just like the mullahs of Iran) to the north of Israel, the Syrian (Shi’ite) Alawite regime that supplies Hizballah, and simultaneously supporting Hamas (an offshoot of the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood) to the south, Iran has tried to consistently demonstrate that Shi’ite Islam was able to do something that no Sunni government in the vicinity had been capable of. Namely, keeping Israel in a stranglehold at both border regions, like in a sort of static pincer movement. In fact, ever since Khomeiny came to power in 1979, the official policy of Tehran has been to try to elevate the status of Shi’ites within Islam as a whole and hence shake off the dim view the majority of Sunnis have of them.

Whereas the main issues between Shi’ites and Sunnis derive mainly from eschatological differences, related to the succession dispute after Mohammed died, there is another particular reason why both groups find themselves at loggerheads with one another. The history of Iran itself explains quite poignantly why this still has repercussions in ME politics today. The Safavid conversion of Iran from Sunnism to Shiism made Iran the spiritual bastion of Shia Islam against the onslaught of orthodox Sunni Islam. And nowadays, as a majority Shi’ite country, all Shi’ite minorities in other Muslim countries, consider Iran to be the guardian of Shi’ism as a whole.

When Shah Ismail I conquered Iran and established his rule in the early sixteenth century, he decided to eradicate all Sunnism from the country. Iran, at that time being majority-Sunni, was de facto proselytized to Shi’ism. One of the main reasons why Ismail and his followers pursued such a severe conversion policy was to give Iran and the Safavid lands as distinct and unique an identity as was possible compared to its two neighboring Sunni Turkish military and political enemies, the Ottoman Empire and, for a time, the Central Asian Uzbeks — to the west and north-east respectively. The Safavids were engaged in a lengthy struggle with the Ottomans — including numerous wars between the two dynasties — and this struggle continuously motivated the Safavids to create a more cohesive Iranian identity to counter the Ottoman threat and possibility of a fifth-column within Iran among its Sunni subjects. In order to enable the conversion, Ismail I, who held a vehement disdain for Sunnis, regularly resorted to violent measures. With the exception of cultural minorities on the fringes of Iranian society, like most Kurds and the nomadic Baloch, who remained Sunni, the sedentary population of Iran became gradually majority Shi’ite.

Whereas Sunnis deem Shi’ites to be heretics by default, they are also feared by Sunnis for violent prosecution and conversion of Sunni Muslims to Shiism up to this day ! The historically justified paranoia of (among others) the Sunnis of the Arabian Peninsula carries over well into this century. With the growing sphere of Shi’ite influence in Iraq, it became pivotal for Sunni leaders to block the advance of the Shia oil slick on other fronts, out of sheer fear, plus the frustration of Shi’ite Iran claiming to be able to keep Israel in check at the borders and the added threat of developing nuclear weapons !

This is basically the main reason why the neo-Ottoman Erdogan decided to step in, with the intent to wean Sunni Hamas away from Tehran, and to assume the role of protector of all Sunnism in the region of the Mediterrenean. Erdogan has made himself the counterweight to Shi’ite Iran, in fact mirroring Iran’s intent to keep control of Lebanon (through Hizballah) and Syria (through the Alawite regime) by undermining Syria first and then marching on to Lebanon. As soon as Hamas will find Iran’s role severely diminished as a consequence of Ottoman scheming, it will switch sides. The Iranian mullahs however know that they are losing ground with regards to their grasp on Israel at its borders, and that’s why they have been stepping up efforts to speed up the development of nuclear weapons, the only means they’ll have left to keep claiming they can keep tabs on Israel. To them this is a geostrategical project of the highest importance. And they’ll be very reluctant to lose it.

The mullahs have to keep their grasp on Syria and Lebanon, otherwise they will lose both to the Ottomans of Turkey, who already persecute the Alevi (Shi'ite) minority on their own patch. The development of nuclear weapons will be their last resort to avoid such a thing happening and can serve as a means to apply added pressure on the Turks. The fact that NATO in Turkey has been threatened, has historical roots in the Ottoman vs Safavid history of the region, both historical powers trying to stave off the growing influence of the other one !

Iran attacking Turkey? Or just one more facade from one islamic regime to another burgeoning islamic regime pretending animosity when in reality they are fully under the same covers,sheets that is, rugs or whatsoever.

heck that would be a bonus for Israel and NATO! bombs away

So much for Turco-Iranian rapprochement?

The Iranian Regime is simply insane! With all their outrageous lies coming from them, its hard to decipher any truth.

I believe that the recent boldness, though they were always somewhat bold, coming from the Iranian Regime simply means, they already have the bomb.

Does anyone believe the Big O would launch an attack, which they should, to stop the Charlie Manson of the Middle East from starting a world war? No, he would not! As to the why one needs to see what he did to Islamic nations and to what he is doing here in the US.

This only leaves the courageous Israeli's to be the sole nation on this earth to stop the Iranian threat. With O's pure Islamic design in the Middle East, all Muslim nations will come together, again, with the same purpose and goals. That purpose being to destroy Israel and then, since they are a military force they will use it towards their ultimate goal, which is to conquer the world into Islam or its submission to.

In the meantime, we have, the mightiest combination of a fighting force the world has ever known, America and the UK locked in a political bickering for power and having their citizen's patriotic values depleted, save those that are fighting this fight now within their countries I'm not forgetting at all the Allied nations that stood with the blood of their citizens prior to this time to destroy the Nazi Regime.

The US, at this time is sidetracked with the constant threats of terror within its borders, their horrible economic condition and the elections. With these issues and with who is leading America, I believe the Israelis will not have any other option, than to go it alone with the global threat of Iran's nuclear agenda. It can't wait until after the US elections when, hopefully O is out of the picture, but for the next year the Big O will not make this move, but only attempt to stop it. If Iran doesn't have the bomb now and I believe they do, then less than one year they are certain to possess it and will use it.

Not a nice picture to paint, but I feel, from watching world events as they unfold, it's a very possible and probable picture of what's ahead for this dangerous world.

How many Muslims does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None - They sit in the darkness and blame the Jews.

Speaking of turkeys, remember to stop buying Butterball.

And how about comenting on this hatchet job?

http://blog.nj.com/dr_aref_assaf/2011/11/on_thanksgiving_why_hate_halal.html

The problem is not Iran vs Turkey, it's Shia Islam vs Sunni Islam. Iran is mostly Shia while Turhey is mostly Sunni.
O, how they hate each other!
Sunni Islam venerates Aisha as the "Mother of Believers" while Shia Islam celebrates Aisha's death every year by chanting "Aisha is in Hell, Aisha is in Hell".
Sunni Islam believes that Muhammad is in Paradise while Shia Islam believes that he is in Paradise but.. without his "Private Parts"!!!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/07/private-parts-of-muhammad.html

Oh please President Amadmanonajihad don't blow up the Turkey briar patch!

Hm. I always remember blustering Iran vs blustering Iraq with two of the "worlds strongest armies" beeing in standstill, horns locked, for eight bloody murderous years. Then comes the US, toppeling Iraq ("the strongest nation in Islam") in two weeks.

Looks like a solution. No boots on the ground, no western nation-building, just keep Islam's power checked, bombed and then leave their islamic-crapistan-nation-building to themselves.

Iran lashes out in all directions right now. They seem not to want to acknowledge that their shiite isn't liked from Turkistan to Sunnistan.

Why does Iran threaten Nato?

That might cause all the various Nato members to put pressure on Israel not to attack Iran.

On the other hand, since Iranian government leaders think that world chaos will hasten the return of the Madhi, the Islamic Messiah, then attacking Nato seems a good way to bring chaos.

Spengler claims in his new book that Israel has become a technological powerhouse with more venture capital investment than in the whole of Europe. Also, that in 2008, with 1/100 the population of the Arab world, Israel produced ten times as many patents (per person, 1000 times the number of patents).

Tehran's desperate threats will yield more opposition to it's failing nuclear arms ambition. NATO's attritional sanctions and Israel's relentless covert actions has caused Iran to fragment it's effort and has appreciably set back, Iran's nuclear time table.

Israel will not allow Iran to arm itself with a nuclear war head. It will do whatever it needs to do, until Iran's growing economic instability, forces Tehran to abandon it's maniacal goals.

Turkey or Turky ?

Turkey or Turky ?

OT:

PATENT CREATION PER CAPITA in 2010:

Some examples of top ranked nations:

The United States (pop. 312 million) in 2010 was awarded about 1/2 of all patents awarded in the world that year. Currently, the U.S. seems to be the top creator of patents in the world, both absolutely and per capita.

U.S. rate of patent creation per capita: 0.039

Japan: Rate of patent creation per capita: 0.037

South Korea: 0.026

Israel: 0.025

Switzerland: 0.024

Finland: 0.023

Germany: 0.017

Sweden: 0.017

Netherlands: 0.011

The UK: 0.008

France: 0.008

Italy: 0.004

I left out some of the nations in the top ranks.

By comparison, here is China's 2010 rate, quite low, per capita:

China: 0.00025

However, in absolute numbers, China's patent creation is not so low, since China's population is so huge. China's rate of patent creation is increasing yearly.

(This means Israel, per population, is producing significantly more patents than Germany, but not as many as Japan or the U.S.)

This threat doesn't surprise me. The mullahs are fuming over Turkey's support of Syria's opposition and anti-regime forces. It's as much an indirect warning to Turkey if it dare intervene militarily in Syria.

To put the above in clearer terms:

That's about 39 patents per 100,000 people in the U.S.

37 per 100,000 in Japan

25 per 100,000 in Israel

17 per 100,000 in Germany.

Etc.

*****SPOILER ALERT*****

Well, let's think about this story for a second.

1) Turkey has been rapidly redeveloping along an Islamic supremacist path.

2) The Arab Spring has been outed as the prelude to the Sharia Fall.

3) Turkey's leadership is no doubt looking for a way out of the NATO deal as it's not in line with the Sharia Fall and the direction they've been moving.

SO, LOGIC SAYS FOUR MUST BE TRUE...

4) This is not sabre rattling at all. It is a prearranged part of a deceptive plot for Turkey to back out of the NATO deal. Now they have an excuse.

*****END OF SPOILER ALERT*****

Iran to U.S., Israel: Don't attack us, or Turkey gets it
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Sorta pokes a hole in that whole "Muslims are merciful to one another" idea, don't it?

Fantastic idea! In that case, Israel should go ahead w/ its attack on Iran - let Iran retaliate against Turkey. Oh, & btw, get Syria also into the conflict, since Turkey is anyway aiding in trying to topple the Assad regime.

Look, if the U.S. (under a real president) and Israel attack Iran, don't you think they'll have a little more on their minds than going after an "after-the-fact" installation in Turkey?

Let's see....

Iran will attack the NATO missile defense shield in Turkey...with what? Missiles?

~ The Infidel Alliance

Excellent. Two radical jihadist fascist nations with one stone. What are we waiting for?

Seriously, Edrogan has single handedly destroyed any chance of Turkey becoming a full fledged euro country by making real the fascist ideals of his Muslim Brotherhood overlords.

Any westerner who does not recognise that Turkey is now every bit their enemy that Iran is is a very dangerous fool.

I say let them sink chin deap into the perpetual Arabian morass and to hell with them.

BUY ISRAELI GOODS amd boycott Turkish goods! If they wont financially support the only real democracy in the Middle east (Turkey now included thanks to Edrogan) then civilized countries shouldn't be financially supporting the new jihadist Turkey.

Unlike other Arab spring movement nations, our sitting President has done little to support street insurrection in Tehran. A week Irany economy, NATO's attritional sanctions and Israeli special operations will be all thats needed.

Anushirvan: Thanks for the history/current issue lesson

AM I mistaken or are some of our best strategic thinkers here ethnic [subcontinental] Indians?

From the article:

"He says Iran will now respond to threats with threats rather than a defensive position."
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First of all, it seems to me Iran has done a fair-share of threatening for quite awhile now; all that stuff about "wiping Israel off the map", making Jews drink molten lead - you get the idea.
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How is it that threatening (or responding to threats by threatening) is now to be considered an "offensive position", as implied in the quote above?
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I would say the man has pretty-well defined the term...

"Saber-rattling"

Threatening Turkey sounds more like an incentive than a deterrent.