Libya: Islamic supremacists ransack mosque graves as Sharia chaos engulfs nation

"These are all troubling signs for all those who wanted a secular Libya." I tried to tell you. "Libya’s Islamists Ransack Mosque Graves in Power Struggle," by Christopher Stephen for Bloomberg, November 17 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

Nov. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Libyan gunmen broke into the Saif al-Nasr mosque in Tripoli early on Nov. 8, smashed open a wooden sarcophagus and removed the remains of Saif al-Nasr, a scholar who died 155 years ago, and a former imam, Hammad Zwai.

“These bodies have been moved to a Muslim cemetery,” announced graffiti on the walls, explaining the disapproval by some Islamists of the Sufi Muslim tradition of burying scholars and teachers in mosques to honor them.

Muslims pushing for a strict intepretation of Islamic law are jostling for power in the chaos that has gripped Libya since the ouster of Muammar Qaddafi, the third North African leader after those in Egypt and Tunisia to fall in the Arab Spring.

Last month protesters holding signs proclaiming “We Are Here to Purify the Honor of Tripoli” forced the early closure of the capital’s first fashion show since Qaddafi’s 42-year rule in Tripoli ended in August.

“I was scared; I wiped off my makeup and went home,” said Jasmin Abdul Aziz, a 22-year-old student who was one of five models at the event and once paraded a $5,000 dress studded with diamonds in a Qaddafi-era fashion show. “Before, we would wear shorts in the streets. Now, look around you, nobody does.”

The man responsible for maintaining security in the city is Abdel Hakim Belhaj, the head of the Tripoli Military Council and former Guantanamo Bay inmate. The council doesn’t regard the mosque break-ins as a crime and is awaiting the formation of a religious council to rule on the matter, according to his deputy, Mohammed Goaider.

‘Not A Crime’

“It is not a crime, but it is not the right time for the bodies to be removed,” Goaider said in an interview. If the religious council issues a fatwa, an Islamic religious edict, demanding the removal of the bodies, security units will do the work, he said.

Belhaj was the leader of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, which opposed Qaddafi in the 1990s and is listed by the U.S. as a terrorist organization. After joining the Taliban in Aghanistan after the Sept. 11 attacks, he was captured and held by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency in 2004 before being sent to Libya, where he spent seven years in a prison until his release last year.

“We are 99 percent Muslim,” said Emhemmed Ghula of the February 17th Coalition, a prominent political group that supports Belhaj. “Our country is a conservative country.”

‘Troubling Signs’

Tripoli is still controlled by a patchwork of militias, with the National Transitional Council unable to impose its authority over regional military bodies such as the Tripoli Military Council.

These are all troubling signs for all those who wanted a secular Libya,” Shashank Joshi, an associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute in London, said in a phone interview. “Libya is a conservative country, so some amount of that is to be expected, but desecrating graves and closing down fashion shows encroaches on freedoms.”

The NTC says a new constitution, which will be drafted by a panel elected by June, must have Islamic law, or Sharia, as its “principal” source.

Acting Prime Minister Abdurrahim El-Keib is due to present his Cabinet on Nov. 20 to the NTC. Among the groups vying for posts are the Freedom, Justice and Development party, which says it is modelled on the moderate Islamic AKP party that has governed Turkey since November 2002, and the National Front for the Salvation of Libya, which says it is secular.

Women Fearful

“The civil state that we yearn for, there is no conflict with that and Sharia as the source of legislation,” NTC spokesman Abdel Hafez Ghoga told reporters on Nov. 15.

How Sharia will be interpreted remains uncertain until the constitution is drafted, and in the meantime tensions between secular and Islamist groups are surfacing in all spheres.

“We are still in the midst of Libya thrashing out its new institutions,” Joshi said. “There will be a long period of instability in which these things will continue. As long as it can remain peaceful, it’s OK.”

At a five-day conference being held in Tripoli’s Radisson Blu Al Mahary Hotel, women’s groups from across the country voiced fears about their rights.

If they apply Sharia, everything will be good. It is a system to organize society,” Aya Blaou, a Tripoli medical student, said in an interview. “What I am afraid about is that Sharia rules are used against us.”

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Belhaj’s supporters insist that Islam must be respected, and say that they support democracy.

“Those who break these stones, they are following al- Qaeda,” said Mohammed Abdulla, one of several armed uniformed fighters guarding the mosque. “We will not let them in.”

Women in Tripoli are feeling the heaviest burden to conform. They have been under pressure to dress conservatively since Qaddafi’s downfall, Abdul Aziz said.

She blamed Belhaj and his insistence on a strict interpretation of Islam, and warned that violence may break out if he continued the policy.

“The young people will not allow it,” she said. “We have to have a new revolution.”

We'll see.

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Please forgive me for being off-topic, but I have some potentially significant news that will be of interest to readers: Tommy Robinson is to leave the English Defence League for electoral politics. It will shortly be announced that he is to join the British Freedom Party: http://durotrigan.blogspot.com/2011/11/tommy-robinson-to-leave-edl-for-british.html

I'd like to see how the Said-ists and the Focault-ists are going to spin this to blame it on colonialism and imperialism; though, obviously, NOT the colonialism and imperialism of the muslim kind, since that would accurately explain how all the failures and disasters resulting from the so-called Arab Spring are related to nothing but islam itself and its effects on the places it has enslaved for the last 1400+ years.

While the usual pundits and talking heads will always parrot and applaud such nonsense, it seems to me that more and more people won't fall for such an islamophilic narrative as easily as they did until 10 years ago or so.

I tried to tell you.

There are too few yous within the reach of Spencer's voice, a severe marketing problem that's none his fault.

Is it just me, or has there been less of Spencer and Geller on Fox lately, as in totally disappeared? Maybe a complaint was filed with Rupert by major News Corp stockholder Prince Al-Waleed, a devout Moslem.

But that would be odd, in light of the tens of millions the good Prince recently bestowed upon Harvard and Georgetown for more research into the interfaith dialog project. This effort once promised to finally resolve centuries of inveterate problems between Moslems and civilized people, but for some unexplained reason it has stalled.

"If they apply Sharia, everything will be good. It is a system to organize society,” Aya Blaou, a Tripoli medical student, said in an interview. “What I am afraid about is that Sharia rules are used against us.”

My haid is still ringing from the cognitive dissonance in this statement. But Moslems have always been adept at resolving their internal conflicts, even in a medical student's mind.

After all, isn't the Sharia first and foremost to be applied to Moslems?

*** Tabari 2:106 ***

Allah sent gnats against the Babylonians, and they ate their flesh and drank their blood, and nothing but their bones were left. But Allah gave Nimrod a single gnat which entered his nostril and went on beating the inside of his head with hammers for four hundred years. The most merciful of his friends was he who bunched up his hands and beat Nimrod's head with them.

Dr. Ron Paul was a medical student once.

"If they apply Sharia, everything will be good. It is a system to organize society,” Aya Blaou, a Tripoli medical student, said in an interview. “What I am afraid about is that Sharia rules are used against us.”

its good if you don't mind being a slave.If you want to be free its not so hot

“The young people will not allow it,” she said. “We have to have a new revolution.”

Sort of like last year's "revolution" in Iran? And just how did that work out?

So much for an Arab Spring, not that much was expected. What we are seeing are just a few temperature blips in the 1400 year long Arab Winter, and no end is in sight.

Jerry Garcia hu akbar!

It always seemed to me that Libya after Qaddafi would be a perfect storm of civil wars: no government, different tribal factions refusing to lay down arms, and a big source of oil money for those who control it. Lots of death to America Muslims to be killing each other instead of trying to kill us.

Overpopulated and poor Egypt, as well as Syria look like eventual killing fields too. Overpopulated Gaza seems due to just slowly rot while Arabs, as always, just love to fight. If it were not for the Iranian threat I think Israel could just sit back behind their guns with popcorn and watch the carnage.

All made possible because of that dark age mind rotting "religion" of theirs.

Should the bodies be buried in a mosque or a cemetery? Who is right? The Sufis? Let's fight about it! You're wrong. I'm right. You'll burn in hell. I won't. What does Allah really want? Let's kill each other. Should I wipe my butt an odd or an even number of times? What would Mohammed have done? Who is interpreting the Koran correctly?
It doesn't matter.... it's Satan's religion anyway. Sunni or Shia, Sufi or Wahabbi, there is no salvation in Islam!! Bury the bodies wherever you want, wash your hands as many times as you like. Pray five times a day, ten times a day or no times a day. It makes no difference.
The Koran is nonsense. Muslims are trying to understand nonsense. What a waste of their lives!

We do not live in a neutral, non-violent. Not when there is a trillion dollar military budget, the biggest in the world. Not when they are recruiting kids to be in the service. Not when every athletic event begins with guns and marching. That's a violent culture and that is where we live," said Ayers.
- known terrorist and Prez Barack Hussein political mentor Professor Bill Ayers

Lookit the Moslems, it's so pathetic how they wantonly wallow in the mire of political violence, when over here in America our most notable terrorist gives a public speech that smacks of Gandhi.

Arab Spring Sprung Into Dung
Moslem activists should learn: it accomplishes nothing to churn
In a spin cycle of hate, heat on high with occupied buildings to burn
Lo! Holy Prophet Mohammed sez to slow down, gather yourselves and wait!
And that patience is a virtue, hey, Paradise takes time, you lousy ingrate
- the Holy Prophet APF

The Arab spring obviously turned into a mental ice age. No surprise.

OT

This is continued from yesterday. If you want a real treat (sarcasm) try and catch the rerun of "Anderson" tonight where he practically has a seizure trying to whitewash islam. It's an interesting but highly irritating character study of how the muslims and their appeasers the leftards go about coercing the naive and ignorant.

If I'd have had a brick handy........

ps A couple of the "stars" from "All American Muslim" were also helping with the dawah.
I'm spitting mad right now.

Islamic ghouls or ghoulish islamics?

I guess both work.

When you have such extremist controlling the massed it is only a matter of time that the enslavement of all that was is gone and things are happening so quickly.

Libya is transforming into a more hate filed society than under the previous tyrant.

From the article:

"How Sharia will be interpreted remains uncertain until the constitution is drafted, and in the meantime tensions between secular and Islamist groups are surfacing in all spheres."

~~~~~

And the "tensions between secular and Islamist groups that are surfacing in all spheres" will of course continue to rise and rise and rise from here on in. North African soil will now become drenched with an incredible amount of Muslim-on-Muslim blood as various groups fight for more and more Sharia enforcement.

And who can really blame them? They are only trying to enforce “Allah’s laws”, after all. Laws found in the “holy and perfect Qur’an” and buttressed by the Sunnah, comprising the canonical Islamic texts…

Disgustingly violent and unjust that evil little madman Muhammad’s cult of Islam most certainly is…

Great, let them kill each other. Maybe then somebody will realize that Sharia law is not worth the trouble.
By the way, I find it hard to believe that the government has failed to make an issue out of the deterioration of our strategic posture in the Middle East with the rise of Islamic fundamentalism.
I just hope the Republicans win and do something.
For one thing, the anti-Turkish ad hoc alliance (Israel, Greece, Cyprus, Armenia, Bulgaria etc) should be formalized and expanded.

This article is nothing but lies spread by those who don't want demAAAAcracy in Muslim lands. As we speak, Lybian society is all but identical to life in Wisconsin and the Jihadists who have taken power under democracy are identical to Wisconsin Lutherans but with silly hats.

Just as demAAAAcracy in Iraq and Afghanistan was a rousing success of epic proportions so is demAAAAAcracy in Libya.

Presidents George W Bush and Barack Obama are right and Mr Spencer is wrong.

It is now vitally important for NATO, having bombed Libya to bring democracy, to send in ground troops so many can die safeguarding democracy. This will earn the West huge respect amongst Jihadis around the World who will put down their weapons and take up embroidery and cake making. This was the case in both Iraq and Afghanistan where religious minorities now live in paradise.

I think Mr Spencer knows this but can't admit it.

Without /sarc tags, I can't tell if you are being serious, ewha1. In case you are trying to be serious, it is apparent you have been to neither Wisconsin nor Libya. Otherwise you would not make be making such a fool of yourself with these ill-informed and idiotic statements.

I think the producers of this show are on crack cocaine.

No, afraid not on that, Dowse. If they were on the crack, their thinking would be quicker, sharper and imbued with a strong dose of delusional optimism.

I think the producers are on the hot new drug Somnoprole, widely distributed by the gubmint free of charge. The use of this drug is making their thinking slower, fuzzier but with that same strong dose of delusional optimism.

Brave New Hurled
Aldous Huxley axed for a nice shot of LSD to enjoy before his final dying
Wanted go out still dreaming, Technicolor delusions over last minute crying
But he was rat that infantile conditioning would be the new teaching method
TV the cradle, grownups the patients, and news into the their pillows fed
- the Holy Prophet APF

Great article over at Ali Sina's Faith Freedom.org tonight written by ex-Muslim, Amil Imani:

The Fraud of Islam

From the primitive land of the Arabian Peninsula of over 14 centuries ago rose Muhammad, an illiterate hired hand of a rich widow Khadija, claiming he was the bearer of a perfect life prescription from God—the Quran. He claimed humanity could do no better than to follow its precepts as well as to emulate Muhammad’s own life example for a guarantee of bliss and salvation. In exchange for this, people had to embrace Islam—surrender—by surrendering their liberty to Muhammad.

Islam is the most successful fraud in the history of humanity and it is a great success. Millions of mullahs and imams keep the fraud going and over a billion and a half of the faithful pay for it. They pay in funds, labor and even life, for the IOUs issued to them by the Islamic organizations that glide through life without breaking a sweat for earning their daily bread. Islam is a fraud and Muslims are the victims.

Muhammad, during his Mecca years, was ridiculed for his confused sayings by his own tribe of Quraish. He was called “shaeron majnoon”—crazed poet.

The death of his first wife and wealthy employer Khadija left Muhammad even more vulnerable to the ridicule and harassment of the Meccans. He fled from Mecca to Medina and in the relative safety of that city with a large tolerant Jewish community, Muhammad found more people willing to join his clique.

Once in Medina, Muhammad hit on a most powerful formula for success. He justified everything by claiming that Allah wanted it this way. And Allah was nothing to trifle with. He held the key to the most magnificent paradise as well as to a dreadful hell. The duty of every good Muslim became unquestioning obedience to everything that Muhammad said and wished. Muhammad became Allah’s gatekeeper to paradise and hell.

Muhammad’s formula worked magic with the Bedouins of Arabia who thrived on robbery and killing. His religion spread like a pandemic disease in no time at all.

As Muhammad gathered more and more followers, he turned on the Jewish community of Medina, killed the men, plundered their belongings, and captured their women and children as slaves. That was the birth of “Jihad.” Be meek and deceptive first, until you gather enough power then unsheathe the sword. It worked then and it is working today.

In no time at all, the savages of Arabia, allured by the win-win promise of Muhammad—you kill you get the booty from your victims in this world—you get killed and your abode will be the unimaginably glorious sensuous paradise of Allah—sword-in-hand, sallied forth to lands near and far.....and more@.....

http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/op-ed/the-fraud-of-islam/

"From Mogadishu in the East to Dakar in the West an ISLAMIC CURTAIN has descended across the continent of Africa."

Winston Churchill's Iron Curtain Speech
http://www.historyguide.org/europe/churchill.html
paraphrased

So, the Arab Spring is not the great rennaissance it was advertised as?

It seems that all those pundits got it wrong after all, with their over-optimistic chatter. Even with the examples of Iraq/Afghanistan before them. And Iran before that.

Can we expect to see a clearout of all those failed pundits now? With those like Robert Spencer who have been proved correct now given their own show on CNN and a job writing leaders for the NYT?

A clearout of all those failed pundits, and Robert given his own show on CNN and writing for the NYT? That would require the failed pundits and NYT admitting they were wrong. But as we know, liberals NEVER admit to being wrong, EVER. So although it is a splendid idea, I won't be holding my breath for it to happen.

You wrote

"Can we expect to see a clearout of all those failed pundits now? With those like Robert Spencer who have been proved correct now given their own show on CNN and a job writing leaders for the NYT?

The answer of course is NO because Mr Spencer fails on all three criteria which are

a) going with the flow
b) having more hot air than a Thanksgiving float
c) being a blowhard

Truth and knowledge are irrelevant qualities.

I remember watching "The David Brinkley Show" ( or whatever it was called ) in the mid 1990's and the esteemed panelists congratulating the Clinton Administration. The Administration had just owned up to arming the Mujahideen in Bosnia. The panelists, household names one and all, thought it a positively spiffing idea.

They didn't talk about the moral problem - moral problem? What moral problem? - and certainly couldn't see any posible downside to this most noble and brilliant of strategies.

None

One of those Mujahideen being supported by the US State Department, the Administartion, the US Armed Forces and Felix the Cat, went by the name of Mr Bin Laden.

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