Noted moderate Muslim Akbar Ahmed blames "radicalization" of NY jihad bomb plotter on "Islamophobia," issues veiled threat

Akbar Ahmed is a world-renowned Islamic moderate, but in this piece he plays the same games of victimhood, shifting of attention from jihad to "Islamophobia" and evasion of responsibility that his colleagues in Hamas-linked CAIR and other Islamic supremacists and jihadists have perfected over the last decade.

My own experiences with Akbar Ahmed have not been positive. He has ignored my invitations to debate or dialogue (with the exception of one noncommittal email saying he was looking forward to "talking soon" -- he never did), and has responded to my views on C-Span with deceptive evasions and irrelevancies.

"N.Y. bomb plot: What radicalizes some converts to Islam?," by Akbar Ahmed in the Washington Post, November 21:

The case of Jose Pimentel, an “al-Qaida sympathizer” accused of plotting a bomb attack in New York, has once again focused our attention on why converts to Islam appear to be so fascinated by violent jihad. Is there something in the act of conversion that transforms normal citizens into messengers of death?

For the answer, let us look at the pattern of converts to Islam in the West. In the last generation we have had many high profile converts such as Yusuf Islam, a.k.a Cat Stevens, Sheik Hamza Yusef, Ingrid Mattson, and of course, one of the most famous of them all, Muhammad Ali, the great boxer. Each one of them brought their extraordinary talents to Islam and promoted better understanding between Muslims and non Muslims....

It's interesting to note that even when listing converts to Islam who are not jihadists, Ahmed includes Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam, who in 1989 called for the murder of Salman Rushdie in accord with Islam's blasphemy law; Hamza Yusuf, who has spoken at events sponsored by the Hamas-linked Muslim Brotherhood group Islamic Society of North America (ISNA); and Ingrid Mattson, former president of that same Hamas-linked ISNA.

So what has changed today? Why are we seeing a number of American converts to Islam plotting against this country? In order to answer this question, I travelled recently for almost a year through the United States with a team of young researchers. We published the findings in Journey into America (2010). What we found was a Muslim community that very much appreciative of being in the United States as proud citizens, but was also sharing a sense of being under siege after 9/11. They saw their religion, culture, and traditions mocked mercilessly. They were conscious of the attacks on mosques and women wearing Islamic dress.

Note that he says nothing about Islam's doctrines of jihad warfare. Converts to Islam plot jihad because Islam is "mocked mercilessly." So once again, it is a matter of that "respect" that Muslims find ever-elusive. If non-Muslims would only respect them, everything would be all right. Remember as you read this that "Islamophobia" is a myth, trumped up for patently manipulative, propagandistic purposes. And remember also that I am "mocked mercilessly" in my work, and yet somehow I find it rather easy to avoid constructing bombs and plotting to murder vast numbers of people. Why converts to Islam, on the other hand, find this so difficult, Akbar Ahmed does not deign to explain.

The problem we found was not only the widespread Islamophobia. We also, to our dismay, saw a Muslim leadership that was unsure of its strategy and directions. Muslim leadership was often divided along ethnic and sectarian lines and not able to create an overarching vision for the community in the United States. In particular, religious leaders seemed largely disconnected from the cultural environment in which many young Muslims grow up. In the absence of a clear message emphasizing the peace and compassion which lie at the heart of Islam, the strong messages of confrontation and violence coming from religious leaders like Anwar al-Awalaki filled the void. To compound matters, some senior American political figures are either hostile to Islam or indifferent to it....

Akbar Ahmed should explain: do the extensive teachings on Islamic jihad that Muhammad Yusuf has at his website originate with Anwar al-Awlaki? Did he invent them?

Ahmed, for all his "moderation," concludes with a veiled threat:

Concerned about the possibility of someone slipping through the administrative net and actually exploding a bomb which could kill a large number of Americans, we had recommended several steps which need to be taken urgently. While there have been vigorous interfaith activity and attempts to create a greater understanding among religions, too many preventive measures not been taken, we note with regret. In order to avoid possible future men of violence from succeeding, a vigorous exercise that combines political and Muslim leadership, along with the media, needs to be planned and implemented. It is well to keep in mind that about 50 percent of Americans in poll after poll confirm what we found in the field: they believe Islam is incompatible with being American. The matter is both urgent and serious. Unless immediate steps are taken, we may well see more Jose Pimentels in the future.

So we must regard Islam as compatible with being American, or more Muslims will try to murder Americans. Yet the reason why so many Americans view Islam as incompatible with being American is because Muslims so easily turn to violence and murder when their wishes are denied, and because of veiled threats like this one.

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what a db!!!!!!!!!1

Don't be fooled by the suit. Ahmed Akbar is on one footing with imam Rauf from the Ground Zero mosque.

These guys are hardcore headbangers who should all be resettled in a muselmanic desert where they can cause no further harm to humanity.

If mockery causes violence then explain why any number of other groups aren't busy building bombs -- Scientologists, Raelians, The Tea Party, etc. Maybe they have better things to do?

The "Jooooooos," for instance spent hundreds of years in Europe being the scapegoat of severe prejudice and derision but were renown for their passivity and non-violence. They turned to Torah study, not bomb building and terrorism.

If mockery causes violence then explain why any number of other groups aren't busy building bombs -- Scientologists, Raelians, The Tea Party, etc. Maybe their teachings don't involve subjugating others? have better things to do?

Pamela posts numerous download links that that terrorist animal posted. Most are Wahabi/al-Qaeda. Of special interest is al-Hawali's Day of Wrath, which predicts the destruction of America in 2012, to be followed with the destruction of Israel. Hawali and his co-terrorist, al-awda were jailed for 5 years by the sauds after they attended Teherans annual jihad conference. Under pressure of the Bush administation, these along with muslim brotherhood terrorists were released to satisfy GWB's lunatic concept of "freedom."

Be sure to download "the Forgotten Oblligation." The author - al-faraj - was a co conspirator in the assassination of Anwar Sadat. That underground book was published by Scandi dhimmis under the title, "Neglected Duty." it lectures slaves of allah on their duty to commit terror against kafirs.

Said animals should have been charcoaled within a month of 9-11. Instead: nation-building in cess pools.

It is time to give "freedom" real currency by recognizing that muslims can never be anything but slaves of their god fiction. If those savages read "JIHAD IS PRESCRIBED TO YOU." in their toilet paper tract, quran, then those fanatics are hardly going to go against orders that they believe are given by their concocted deity.

Boo Hoo Hoo, What a crock of horse shit. The gig is up, we know the truth about Islime And your perverted leader. Move if you don't like it here.

Akbar Ahmed: "...In order to answer this question, I travelled recently for almost a year through the United States with a team of young researchers."

translates to

Akbar Ahmed: "...In order to nurture victimhood and put the blame elsewhere, I travelled recently for almost a year through the United States with a team of young researchers."

Excerpt page 74 (- 79) Atlas Shrugs "Islamophobia ...was invented, deliberately, by a Muslim Brotherhood front organization, the International Institute for Islamic Thought, which is based in Northern Virginia...."

(in Germany this worn out word should be in the near future replaced with "anti-Muslim racism")

http://schnellmann.org/islamophobia-is-now-called-anti-muslim-racism.html


vs.


Word of the coward, lunatic sadist & misogynist Allah:

5:38 "(thiefs) cut off hands"
24:2, 4 "(adulterers) flog with 100, 80 stripes"
24:13 "...four (male) witnesses to prove it?"

5:33 "(unbelievers who reject pay jizyah 9:29) crucifixion" "mischief in the land"
i.e. 7:103 "those who made mischief ... reject Allah's signs (Quran/Islam)"

5:32 applies only to "Children of Israel" (5:12 i.e. Jews)

Converts to Islam plot jihad because Islam is "mocked mercilessly." So once again, it is a matter of that "respect" that Muslims find ever-elusive.

The adolescent gangsta who once thought being Muslim would give him street-cred and 'respect' now finds his religion is fast becoming a laughing-stock...

"The way to get at them, is to damage their inflated and fragile egos. Because Muslims are at a tribal state of pre-civilised development, they venerate the totems of their tribe, and will go into tantrums if these are 'disrespected'. Unstable adolescents are constantly seeking 'significance' and 'respect'.

Make Mohammed a figure of ridicule
Mohammed is of course one of the main totems, so one of the ways to discredit him is to turn him into a laughing stock. No cool teenager will follow a figure of ridicule, which is why the Muslims got so enraged when the Motoons came out.


Show Mohammed up as a con-man and charlatan.
No streetwise adolescent delinquent likes to be conned. So if you can show Mohammed as the conman he was, then this is likely to have a far greater effect on 'jihadi cool' young Muslims than his violence and criminality (which they admire). They may approve of him conning his contemporaries, they may approve of him duping the hated kuffars with taqiyya, but they will be very sure not to let him con themselves..." More at http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/exorcising-mohammed-conman-from-minds.html

From Akbar the Clown:

"It is well to keep in mind that about 50 percent of Americans in poll after poll confirm what we found in the field: they believe Islam is incompatible with being American. The matter is both urgent and serious. Unless immediate steps are taken, we may well see more Jose Pimentels in the future. "
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Utter threat, couched in supreme, Islamo-bullsh*t doublespeak. No reasonable person is going to swallow this line of crap. For God's sake, the convert drilling holes in his bomb was caught YESTERDAY!
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The Musloid gives his and CAIR's game away, by literally, overreacting.

They saw their religion, culture, and traditions mocked mercilessly. They were conscious of the attacks on mosques and women wearing Islamic dress.

The "attacks on mosques" is a gross exaggeration; "mocked mercilessly" is somewhat accurate, given what they practice and spout at the mosques; and the "women wearing Islamic dress" is their problem, not ours, as it is their "Islamo-phobia".

What Mr. Akhbar and his 'research' team are doing here is obfuscation of the first degree. They want to find a villain where there is none of worth, and their play on Western sympathies are wearing thin. We read their book, so have a much more realistic assessment of why new converts to Islam take their violence straight up. Perhaps they should better select their researchers into the cause, and read their book too? What had changed today? We know where they're coming from, we understand Islam as never before. If that makes them 'phobic' it is there problem, not ours. Though they may not like it, mocking them is good for them.

Q 2:216 
"Jihâd (holy fighting in Allâh's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allâh knows but you do not know."
We understand…. and so do the new converts, who obey violently in 'submission'... Sigh... How long do we to put up with this?


That veiled threat meant to convey "keep your dhimmi heads buried in the sand until we members of the Homo insh'allensis inbred species are numerous enough to shove sharia down your throats, whether you like it or not."

Good thing that fewer and fewer people are likely to play good dhimmis and obey that command from a mahoundian that already thinks we infidels are already at his mercy and under his rule.

All these defenders of Islam come out of their shells as soon as any Muslim is caught planning a terrorist attack on us!! It is always the fault of non-Muslims who 'force" them to turn to radicalization and to terror. These morons never get tired of playing the same old tired song and dance that they have done it for 1400 years and use it as an excuse to kill and rape. They know it works as the clueless dhimmis have no clue about them. WaPo should have refused to print this article by Akbar Ahmed who is a Muslim first and then anything else!!!His first duty is to throw dust in non-Muslim's eyes so that they cannot see the truth!!! Another warrior of stealth jihad!!!

My own experiences with Akbar Ahmed have not been positive.

Well there's a surprise. You two sit on opposite poles of the dialectic, but Akbar means greater, so he doesn't have to put up with any of your factual reality bullcrap. Won't have it.

"Akbar Ahmed: Kewl Name, Man. Awesome."
Hailed as a Unicorn, untorn, lightly worn, hairy, unshorn,
HAMAS-linked he may be, but this dude's arguing for posterity.
Lo! Lookit the future: millions of Moslems still to be born!
Why debate or "dialog" at all, when you get good publicity?
- the Holy Prophet APF


Ah yes....and all those Somali Muslim youth in Canada that got radicalized in Mosques just to head back home for the civil war and jihad..... were created because of the islamophobia in canada .

Hmmmmm, so muslims flee islamic hell-holes for canada as refugees to then be shamed by going on Welfare which is funded by those evil enemies of islam like the christians and joooos, but somehow these Somali's youth see this as islamophobia that pushed them to kill people in Africa once the Toronto Mosques convince them canada was evil and hated muslims.


Makes sense , so the answer is to stop taking in muslims and oppressing them with free Housing, Health Care, legal Aid, Denal care, Education, and a cheque every month to not work as we see with Andy Choudary .

I have a small bone to pick with Robert:

It's interesting to note that even when listing converts to Islam who are not jihadists, Ahmed includes Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam, who in 1989 called for the murder of Salman Rushdie in accord with Islam's blasphemy law; Hamza Yusuf, who has spoken at events sponsored by the Hamas-linked Muslim Brotherhood group Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) (emphasis added);

You use the fact that a speaker has spoken at event sponsored by ISNA as evidence that the speaker is not a respectable person. ISNA has had many speakers at its yearly conventions, including Rabbi Eric Yoffie, the head of the Union for Reform Judaism, one of the largest Jewish organizations in the country.

http://urj.org/about/union/leadership/yoffie/isna/

I am not saying I agree with Rabbi Yoffie's appearance, or that I hold the ISNA in any esteem. In my mind, it is one of the most dangerous Muslim organizations, but not in its support of terrorism. In fact, my observations are that the ISNA works to integrate Muslims into mainstream American society, while maintaining their primary commitment to Sharia law and Muslim primacy.

But, logically, it is no longer persuasive to show that by being a speaker at an ISNA event, a person is brought into disrepute.

"While there have been vigorous interfaith activity and attempts to create a greater understanding among religions"
HELLO wake up & smell the coffee......
there is one problem so called religion in this equation.....ONE!

Islam is all about threats & terror. Just read the horrid Koran that constantly warns the reader how he must believe or face hellfire. Horrible hellfire is mentioned over & over. The vileness of infidels is mentioned over & over along with their horrible doom.

Islam should be called the religion of constant threats.

"In the absence of a clear message emphasizing the peace and compassion which lie at the heart of Islam..." - Akbar Ahmed

Pure nonsense. This "noted moderate" is trying to intentionally misleading his audience. He is trying to sugar coat Islam like they all do. Islam is a grotesquely violent and unjust ideology/cult and Akbar Ahmed knows this.

We ex-Muslims know that Islam is the exact opposite of what it claims to be, and if "Akbar" possessed an ounce of real integrity, he would abandon Islam and help us expose it for the terribly dangerous and harmful fraud that it is.

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The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most of the verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy and the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have resulted in a trail of blood and tears across world history.

The Quran:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

*The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by Muslim translators is thus somewhat disingenuous. The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

*Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

*This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

*The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

*This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."

*Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

*No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

*Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context. The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

*According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam. Prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religions Five Pillars.

Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant."

*The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad.

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

*"People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in just the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."

*This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them"

*This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).

Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

*Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that they are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."

Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story, which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source, tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son.

Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."

*"Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."

*This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"

*Those who reject Allah are to be subdued in battle. The verse goes on to say the only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is in order to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test. "But if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost."

Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"

Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."

*Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.' If so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted?

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"

*Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status.

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" Religion of Peace, indeed! This is followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

Quran (61:10-12) - "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?- That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity."

*This verse was given in battle. It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."

*The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

"...a vigorous exercise that combines political and Muslim leadership, along with the media, needs to be planned and implemented..."

So he wants a measure of Muslim leadership, does he? Leading who? The Muslim flock or us (by the nose)? And political compliance and co-operation?
And he wants the media involved?

Is what he is saying, "Give us more power to remake society in the way we want, and the right to use the press in the way we see fit?"

Or, in short,"Give us the country!"

"OR ELSE...?"

The great ex-Muslim Ali Sina's ongoing challenge to Muslims found over at Faith Freedom.org:

>>> If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay $50,000 U.S. dollars to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:

a narcissist
a misogynist
a rapist
a pedophile
a lecher
a torturer
a mass murderer
a cult leader
an assassin
a terrorist
a madman a looter

http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-challenge/

"They saw their religion, culture, and traditions mocked mercilessly..." - Akbar Ahmed

And what's the big deal about that. The religion, culture, and many if not most of the traditions of Islam are deserving of being mocked mercilessly. Islam needs to be discredited and abandoned, and if a highly "Islam learned" individual such as Akbar Ahmed doesn't know this - well then he must be either evil or insane...

..and his wife left him..One down four to go..LOSER! Notice the classic supremacist pose with arms folded..Then..submission to reality reaction..at last..((Holy crap they're serious!) If only Iran,Pakistan,Saudi were treated the same way..

http://tundratabloids.com/2011/11/nyc-suspected-jihadi-before-the-bar.html

Hey Saleem..missed ya on the rebound..Crashed out..Yup..undastood..A touch too cheesy for me..but perhaps not for others..Take 'er easy..ttyl

" it is no longer persuasive to show that by being a speaker at an ISNA event, a person is brought into disrepute."

Ronald, you got your answer from Robert directly, so there's no need to double up.

Those who snuggle up with our implacable enemies are either a stealth jihadists or useful idiots.

Yes they are. And on top of all you find the Jewicidal Jews:

http://sheikyermami.com/2011/11/20/the-jewicidal-madness-of-the-kumbaya-jews/

Hope you didn't choke on that bone too much..lol

I'm surprised the dear Rabbi got out alive in one piece..

Maybe not so cordially..St.Patrick..

You're pretty great yourself Sal..Don't you forget it..

Noted moderate Muslim Akbar Ahmed blames "radicalization" of NY jihad bomb plotter on "Islamophobia," issues veiled threat
.................................

So, it's come to this: the claim that concern over Jihad ("Islamophobia") is—well—the cause of Jihad.

Insanity.

I don't deny at all that someone speaking to the ISNA is either a jihadist sympathizer or a useful idiot. But, there are numerous useful idiots.

I liked your posting. It drives me crazy there are very prominent Jewish leaders who claim that Jews and Muslims share a similar faith. I don't object to being friends with Muslims, or being concerned with their rights, although there are more attacks on Jews in the US than on Muslims, by far. Unless you include Muslim women who wish to lead their own lives.

But, the Jewish leaders have no business promoting an ecumenism between Jews and Muslims. Islam claims that Abraham, Moses, and the prophets were Muslims, and the Jewish texts were purposely falsified to leave out that information. What religious commonality can there be between Judaism and Islam, and who does it benefit to make such a claim?

I read your proposed elenchtic method towards "streetwise delinquents" with interest, but I'm not sure it'll hold water. I spend my working day around adolescents, including gang-bangers, and note a perverse credulity among many of them. They'll believe anything as long as it doesn't require them to be sober, law-abiding, and productive citizens.

Islam appeals to such people because Muhammad was, to put it bluntly, a "Baaaaaaadddd-@$$ dude". Islam's acceptance and glorification of all the worst lusts and sinful impulses of the male sex (and I'm not saying that females are sinless-far from it; just talking about Islam here) seem tailor-made to attract Westerners with criminal inclinations.

One who practices Islam as a way of life can never be a "moderate" and "liberal" in thinking. Koran preaches hatred against the followers of any other religion and those who follow its tenets cannot think in moderation ! If one goes through the utterances and writings of any Muslim one would find defence of Islamic principles by all Muslims at all times. In doing so they are faithful to their so called religion ! Ahmed is no exception to this ! Show me Muslims agreeing to the fact that their religious beliefs needed changes from time to time to suit the time and the place ? There will be none ! Every Muslim is born and brought up fanatic about implementation of the Shariat because , as they put it , it is a "word of God" and cannot be changed/modified. To them any change/modification is tantamount to sacrilige punishable by death penalty ! So how can anybody expect Muslims to be "moderates" ? There simply cannot be a "moderate" person born and practicing as a Muslim ! The End !

Kepha wrote, replying to Sean:

I read your proposed elenchtic method towards "streetwise delinquents" with interest...
.....................

Off topic—it isn't often that a post sends me to the dictionary, but I had to look up "elenchtic".

You are one of the most erudite posters here, Kepha.

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