The army has an official version of "the truth" to protect. The behavior described below also proves the so called "anti-discrimination" decree issued by the military is not worth the paper it is printed on.
If it were, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces would have to arrest itself. "Egypt Randomly Arresting Copts for Maspero Massacre," by Mary Abdelmassih for the Assyrian International News Agency, November 5:
(AINA) -- Egypt's Military Prosecutor decided on November 3 to continue the detention of 34 Coptic Christians for another 15 days, pending investigations on charges of inciting violence, carrying arms and insulting the armed forces during the October 9 Maspero Massacre, which claimed the lives of 27 Christians and injured 329 (AINA 10-10-2011).
The court session was attended by more than twenty defense lawyers. The case was adjourned to November 18.
According to defense lawyers, most of the detainees were arrested after October 9, and some were not even at the Maspero protest and were just collected from the streets for "being a Christian." Three of them were teens under 16 years old and another had an operation to extract a bullet from his jaw and was chained to his bed in hospital, according to defense lawyer Ibrahim Edward. "After the operation he was sent straight to prison where he cannot eat without feeding tubes, so he lives on juices."
Prominent activist Alaa Abdel-Fatah, who criticized the army for the Maspero Massacre, was arrested on October 30, charged with inciting violence, seizing military equipment, and vandalizing military property. He refused to answer questions from the military prosecutors "in a case where the military is accused of committing a massacre when their APCs ran over peaceful protesters in front of Maspero on Oct. 9," said his lawyer Ahmed Seif Al-Islam, former director of the Hisham Mubarak Law Center.
Abdel-Fatah also played a big role in convincing the families of the Maspero Coptic victims to agree to have the bodies of their relatives autopsied in order to have proof that the military caused their death.
Two days ago, Mikhail Naguib, a Copt, was arrested at his home by the military and accused of stealing a machine gun and using it to kill Copts in Maspero on October 9.
The military prosecutors claimed that the gun, a type used by the army, was stolen from one of the APCs at Maspero. The army said that a taxi driver who brought Naguib on that night from Maspero to his home in the run-down area of Sharabia witnessed that he had a gun bundled in a plastic bag with him.
In an interview aired on the "The Way" Christian TV, Michael's father said the army and police found nothing at home and that they beat his son and took him away in his underwear.
Dr. Naguib Gabriel, head of the Egyptian Union of Human Rights Organization, said that this latest arrest and these extremely serious accusations raises questions about the intentions of the army. He wondered about the evidence the military has regarding these charges, and whether with this arrest the real culprits will not be brought to justice.
Families of detainees appeared in an interview with Coptic Channel CTV and told how their sons and husbands were arrested.
Ms. Magda, mother of Mina Talaat, said that her son did not attend the Maspero protest but was arrested after the violence at 20:30 in one of the roads leading to Maspero. "Mina was stopped by a soldier, who called a group of 20 people to come quickly, as he had found a Christian. The group beat Mina with short leather batons until his jaw was broken and he had to hold it back with his hand. He also had wounds in the head requiring 12 stitches."
Mina told his mother on her first visit that he hid under an armoured personnel carrier but was dragged out and taken to a room on the third floor of the TV building, together with other Copts, and they were beaten until 8 AM. He was then taken to el-Kobah Military Hospital where he was chained to his bed. She said that Mina had a large tattoo of the Virgin Mary on his arm and "the soldier was so angry about that he wanted to shoot him."
Ms. Mariam, wife of Mr. Amin Mouneer Ayad, who was at work and was dropped off by his company's bus near Maspero after 22:00, said that a soldier asked her husband if he was a Christian and saw the tattooed cross on his wrist, then took him away to a room all covered in blood. After taking his money and cell phone, the soldiers beat him until he lost consciousness. "I did not recognize him at hospital," said his wife. "His eyes were so swollen that when he cried no tears were flowing."
The Al-Nadeem Center for the Rehabilitation of Victims of Torture said on its Facebook page that Mr. Amthal Mahmoud Abdel-Fattah, a Muslim arrested at Maspero by the military, was said by his mother to be mentally handicapped. Military prosecutors transferred him to Abbassiya mental hospital, which decided to keep him "until he comes back to his senses," as per the hospital report.
"To arrest the victims and not the assailants shows the extent of persecution and humiliation the Copts are experiencing," said Medhat Kelada, head of the Union of Coptic Organizations in Europe. "If there is any justice, the military prosecution should instead investigate the crimes committed by the military police."
A list of suspects to be questioned by the military prosecutors with regards to the Maspero violence was published by the media, which included clergy, in addition to political movements like the Maspero Coptic Youth Union, Copts Without Borders and April 6. It also included the deceased Coptic protester Mina Danial, known from the January 25 Tahrir protests, who died in the Maspero Massacre from gun shots.
Father Filopateer was interrogated by the prosecution on October 26 and he completely refused to cooperate with the military investigation because he is a civilian and because it is biased and is part of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF), with whom "…we are direct opponents in this case. I accused the SCAF, Field Marshal Tantawi and Brigadier Badeen, head of military police of being directly responsible for the Maspero Massacre." He said that the SCAF was fishing for incriminating evidence.
Father Mattias Nasr went to the military prosecutor on October 20. He said that he did not expect to be accused, wondering how can a victim become a culprit? He described the investigations as a sort counterbalance to what was unveiled in the conference held on October 20 by the Maspero Coptic Youth Union. The conference accused the military of murdering the demonstrators through video footage and witnesses.
Right groups have criticized the ongoing arrests, denounced military trials for civilians and called for the transfer of the investigation of the case from military to civilian prosecutors.
Joe Stork, Deputy Middle East director of Human Rights Watch, said "The military cannot investigate itself with any credibility. This had been an essentially peaceful protest until the military used excessive force and military vehicles ran over protesters. The only hope for justice for the victims is an independent civilian-led investigation that the army fully cooperates with and cannot control and that leads to the prosecution of those responsible."
"They are arresting Christians and levying accusation at them, most of which are really absurd, in an attempt to implicate them in the killings," says activist Mark Ebeid, who attended the Maspero protest. "The Junta is trying to justify the impossible, which is putting the blame on someone else. We all witnessed the killings with our own eyes on that bloody Sunday."
This is getting sick. I'm losing all hope.
Do not lose it Monica. .The Father owns this world.
Yet another example of Mohammad's "deceit of war." Islam says to be a devout Muslim is to emulate Mohammad's example.
This is an international case that should be tried before the secular world and its news agencies. Loud protests should come from the US and the western world. And please, no more money for the Egyptians until they straighten out. Their behavior is atrocious. How in the world can Western civilization close their eyes to what is going on. Please pray for the Copts as they find themselves in an impossible situation.
Just as Bishop Suriel of the Australian Coptic community requested, all Egyptian diplomatic representatives should be booted out of Western countries today, as a sign of our absolute condemnation of what is being done to the Copts in Egypt.
All entry of Egyptian Muslims into the West for 'medical treatment', 'study', 'business', or 'tourism', or as 'asylum seekers' and 'immigrants', should END (but we will put heavy pressure on Egypt to permit Copts to leave and come to the West [perhaps one country might choose to keep a diplomatic post open, so that Copts can come there to make their visa applciations], and we will let it be clearly known that any Egyptian Muslim who *pretends* to be a Copt in order to gain entry to the West, will be booted right back into his hellhole of origin the moment his imposture is detected).
END all military and economic 'aid' to Egypt. Stop selling them grain...let them buy whatever they need, from other Muslim countries...
Boycott Egyptian products, such as they are - yes, they do export some things - cotton for example. In Aussie supermarkets I have seen strawberry jam marked 'product of Egypt'. No way in HELL would I buy it.
And I might add that Pakistan is treating its Hindus and Christians so very badly that punishment such as I have described as proper for Islamic Egypt, also requires to be applied to Islamic Pakistan.
Let them suffer CONSEQUENCES for the violence, falsehood and sickening sadism in which they are indulging.
Oh, and one more thing.
All Egyptian - and Pakistani, for good measure - Mohammedans currently resident within majority nonMuslim countries, could be scrutinised closely, and those that do not have citizenship - especially those who turned out to be illegal immigrants, or to be in violation of their visa conditions whatever those were, or to be or have been engaged in significant criminal activity (such as extensive welfare fraud) - could be sent right back to their countries of origin on one-way tickets. As for those who *have* acquired citizenship, it might be worth doing a very, very careful check of the circumstances under which they entered the country and the manner in which they went about gaining citizenship...just in case there turn out to be reasons to suppose that citizenship was gained under false pretences (and if so...out with them, too).
And if it was up to me, the current Mufti of the Muslims in Australia, who is an Egyptian Muslim, a graduate of Al Azhar, who though he has lived here for 20 years (!!!) either still does not speak a word of English, or else *pretends* not to be able to speak a word of English, and who has not publicly uttered *one syllable* of condemnation of what is being done by Muslims to the Christian Copts in his country of origin, would be on the next plane out of Australia.
""To arrest the victims and not the assailants shows the extent of persecution and humiliation the Copts are experiencing," said Medhat Kelada, head of the Union of Coptic Organizations in Europe. "If there is any justice, the military prosecution should instead investigate the crimes committed by the military police.""
That would be under an ideal justice system. Which is certainly not the caes in any Islamic nation or nation which is over 20% Muslims.
For example I wouldn't let my family live, work, or vacation in any nation having more than 6% Muslim. Muslims are not good neighbors. They migrate to non-Muslim countries and then expect the non-Muslim country to change its laws to accomidate Muslims laws and culture.
It's best just to say no Muslims needed.....
Ah the "Arab Spring". All those Egyptian protestors in Tahrir Square rallying to the call of democracy. Demanding an end to Mubarak's regime. Yeah, right. What a load of horse shit. Seriously. There was no way in Hell, once Mubarak took the high road, Egypt would miraculously transform into a democratic republic. It's an excellent example of "Out of the frying pan and into the fire." You gotta hand it to the Dip-Shit in the Oval Office; his fantasy-based political faux pas have destabilize an overwhelmingly volatile region. "Change" ... what a joke. Just when you were certain the Middle East couldn't be more intellectually, politically, socially and economically benighted you find you were wrong. From the sexual molestation of Western journalists in Tahrir Square to the reported plan to "cover" ancient Egyptian monuments due to their blasphemous nature (in effect delivering the death blow to Egypt's tourism industry and national economy) Egypt is a done deal. The only thing missing from this quasi third-world toilet is the systematic murder of Christians. Oh, wait. It seems nothing is missing after all.
Report: Egypt randomly arresting Copts, going after critics in wake of army's massacre
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I wish I could be shocked by this, but I'm not. I'm sickened and horrified by it, but not shocked. And how could I be? We've seen this sort of ugliness too many times before.
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Two days ago, Mikhail Naguib, a Copt, was arrested at his home by the military and accused of stealing a machine gun and using it to kill Copts in Maspero on October 9.
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So vile—blaming the victims at its most blatant. I suppose there were just too many witnesses that the victims themselves were Copts—or else you'd find the Egyptian military claiming that the horror at Maspero was a massacre of Muslims *by* Christians.