Ron Paul and Obama are essentially identical in their blinders about the Islamic Republic of Iran and its genocidal aspirations, even if their language about sanctions differs cosmetically. Isn't there even one politician anywhere who has any idea about the magnitude of the jihad threat and the spine to speak out about it? Apparently not.
"Paul offers friendship with Iran; Says nuclear weapons program 'blown out of proportion,'” from the Associated Press, November 6 (thanks to Banafsheh Zand-Bonazzi):
WASHINGTON — GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul says “offering friendship” to Iran, not sanctions, would be a more fruitful to achieving peace with Tehran.The Texas congressman says fears about Iran’s nuclear program have been “blown out of proportion.” He says tough penalties are a mistake because, as he says was the case in Iraq, they only hurt the local population and still paved a path to war.
When asked on “Fox News Sunday” what he would do to deter Iran’s alleged nuclear ambitions, Paul said “maybe offering friendship to them.”...
Just what we need, another naive sucker trying to deal with the "War Is Deceit" crowd.
Well, the lights are on, but nobody's home......
If God is pissed at you he will give you what you ask for. If the USA elects Ron Paul America will get what it asks for. I also have this feeling that if Ron Paul wins the military might have it's first rebellion. Obama would like to be more left but I think he woke up on meeting Hugo Chaves. Can you picture Ron Paul taking out Osama Bin Laden. More than likely he would send flowers to his door with a thanksgiving turkey. Just to say I love you.
Ron Paul's entire existence and self-perceived reality is blown out of proportion. Iran has since it's founding said it was an enemy to America and to Israel. And that Israel is a Zionist entity that should be removed from the earth. If that isn't clear as to their intentions, then when their actions show their intentions to be the same, will the reaction be different I wonder?
{لقد جئتكم بالذبح}
"I have come to slaughter you." (Muhammad to the Quraysh)
Allen West is the only one I know, who understands the cult of Islam and the threat of Iranium. He also speaks about it openly and seems to know how to deal with it. I hope he is re-elected to Congress and to a unit of advisors for our, hopefully, new president in 2012, who is patriotic, conservative, and with guts to say NO to our enemy on our face. We need a leader who can say and mean "Enough is Enough". I am hopeful.
Paul may end up running as an independent, handing the election to Obama.
The Texas congressman says fears about Iran’s nuclear program have been “blown out of proportion.”
Really? He is the only one thinks like that. Try telling that to the Israelis who may have to face the wrath of Nuclear-Iran if nothing is done about it soon. Don't think Saudies will be partying when Iran tests their Khomini-Bomb.
I wonder who his advisors are? Perhaps pro-Iranians - Reza Aslan is an obvious candidate?
ignorant idiot who will not get elected! thank God!
well apparently, this moron has not practiced medicine for over 30+ years...if his medical approach mirror his political ideology and *this* latest act of idiocy...he may have caused iatrogenic dammage to a countless number of poor souls hoodwinked by his folksy shtick...
what an idiot!
what a maroon!
what an antisemite!
Ron Paul and Obama are essentially identical in their blinders about the Islamic Republic of Iran
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Oh, goody—now we can have bipartisan naïvite! sarc/off
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I wonder who his advisors are? Perhaps pro-Iranians - Reza Aslan is an obvious candidate?
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I doubt that would be necessary, Blue Raven. Ron Paul's basic world view is that America has caused most—or perhaps *all*—of the world's problems by not minding her own business.
Hence, no one—not even avowed genocidal maniacs—are really a threat, as long as we make it clear to them that we are not out to compromise their sovereignty.
He is like Pat Buchanan, who believes that Germany's Führer was an innocuous foreign statesman before Winston Churchill became an alarmist—at which point, Hitler had to do what any world leader would have done in the same position—namely, embark on the bloody conquest of Europe and the utter destruction of the Jewish people.
Such "reasoning" is both absurd and very, very dangerous.
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"Paul may end up running as an independent, handing the election to Obama."
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Bingo! High on my list of worries about the election, too.
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What's more, this race is going to be so close, it is bound to produce an upheaval in the States if Soetoro loses by a smidgen in the Electoral College, yet wins the popular vote.
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The scenario you posit (if Paul Sr. runs as an Independent) seems entirely plausible, I agree, and grim.
What's really strange about Ron Paul is that he sees conspiracies within the US at the drop of a hat. He campaigned for awhile on the premise that the Fed was going to imprint money with tracking devices to track people's incomes. He states that fences on the borders can be used to keep US citizens inside, as well as to keep illegal migrants out.
And yet, to Paul, the Islamist in Iran are innocent babes just pursuing a nuclear program because they feel misunderstood by the US. All it will take to dissuade them is a hearty handshake and honorary membership in the Skull and Bones society.
Incidentally, if Paul runs as an independent, the only thing to distinguish Paul from a Tea Party candidate would be a concern about Islam. Perhaps, Paul running independently would goad the Republican candidate to make a clear stand against further Islamic influence and immigration into the US. He (or she) would lose the leftist vote which they wouldn't have anyway, and would probably pick up enough rank-and-file union Democrats to more than make up the difference, and possibly swing the election.
Our best strategy right now is courage.
Paul may end up running as an independent, handing the election to Obama.
This is my concern, too, Cornelius. If Ron Paul doesn't get the GOP nomination, as is virtually certain, but nevertheless gets enough signatures in a few key states to get on the presidential ballot as an Independent, it could happen. Paul's involvement at all in presidential election politics is only because of a sufficient number of Paulbot fanatics to keep his percentage points above the threshold needed for him even to be part of the election debates. They are also the same ones who would mount signature campaigns to get him on election ballots.
If judged by word and deed, Ron Paul is not even a Republican except in name only; in actual fact he is a Libertarian, and should not even be considered among the Republican candidates. Except for the visibility he gets because of his highly vocal base of rabid supporters, this man would be invisible outside of his home district, and deservedly so.
If Tel Aviv were to go up in a fireball from a one megaton nuclear bomb, would that be "blowing something out of proportion," I wonder?
It is profoundly disappointing to see that Ron Paul has not taken the time to educate himself on Islam. It is the one glaring fault which I had hoped he would correct, but he is not. In all other respects, he is the only candidate who stands for what the Republic was founded as and intended to be. The only one.
It is a great tragedy that he cannot even learn from the example of Thomas Jefferson in dealing with Islamic supremacists on jihad. A tragedy, and I truly believe the reason he will now never get the Republican nomination. He just doesn't get it. I can no longer endorse him. In fact, I have nobody to endorse.
Obama will reign for another four years until the Islamic supremacist dark grip on the world festers, and America is reduced permanently to a secondary player on the world economic stage for the 21st Century. What Bush has wrought through incompetence, Obama will solidify willfully.
As Dennis Prager has observed, there is no difference between Ron Paul and Noam Chomsky respecting each one's take on the Islamic world's take on America, i.e., it's America's fault. Shame, of course, forever on Chomsky but shame also forever on Paul. Both are fools. And I don't give a damn that Paul gets some economic things right. If he would ever become President (he won't), it would be a disaster for America.
Allen West is not a candidate running for President in 2012.
I would argue that of the candidates who are running, there is only one who fully understands the threats posed by our enemies at home and abroad such as Islam, the 9th Circuit Court, the left wing liberals and their Islamic apologist mainstream media, the quisling in our Oval Office, and has the experience, mettle, and leadership skills to be a great President - and that is Newt Gingrich.
I would further argue that Allen West would make a great choice for Newt's running mate in 2012.
An a reply to the armed patriot. Yes, Allen West would be a great candidate. I await the day.
My cartoon response to this, "Useful Infidel Ron Paul & "Friends" http://bit.ly/sMKufY
Mr Ron Paul IsAn IDIOT!
I don't know very much about American politics,or how it is structured. Can any of the American posters here explain to me and other non-American posters, *why* Mr. Alan West isn't running for President ? Is it that he just doesn't want to, or are there constitutional reasons why he can't ?
Mr. Paul, a was leaning toward voting for you at one time, but this kind of nonsense makes it much more likely that I would cast my vote for Herman Cain. "I want to be your friend," said the chick to the weasel. Not in this life time.
Ron Paul was asked during the interview, what else we could do to as an alternative to direct-action and i nearly fell off my high-horse when he replied that we should start being "nicer" to Iran!!!!
Is this man ok?
"Nurse! The screens..!"
" I can no longer endorse him. In fact, I have nobody to endorse.
Abraham,
I take off my hat to you. Not for rejecting Paul, but for examining the evidence, and basing a conclusion on your results. I would look for this quality in a candidate, over specific positions, which are likely to change under the pressures of events anyway.
Unfortunately, Ron Paul's flaws are apparent on other issues. Not the flaw of having the wrong position, but the flaw of being unwilling to modify his position based on facts, rather than a set of assumptions.
Dr. Paul's take is that the trouble is about America being over there. I agree we shouldn't undertake the role of Global Police, especially to police Moslems from ourselves, but like any libertarian Paul assumes that the Moslems are rational agents who would return to normal once the dictatorships and the Israel problem are taken care of.
He agrees with Prez Barack Hussein that Israel should be undercut, and foresees the same happy outcome as the Prez from doing so.
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Warfare is ordained for you.
In other words, you can be smart enough to earn a medical degree and still be a hopeless dumbass.
... *why* Mr. Alan West isn't running for President ?
He has insufficient national name recognition and no fundraising apparatus. Running for prez is an expensive proposition, which is how the RINOs are able to maintain their historic role as a fake opposition party.
wow! some of you shouldn't be allowed to vote at all. I love that you all read a 4 paragraph summary of the interview that had Paul in quotes with all of 10 total words along with ..... not bothering to finish what he actually said.
He's more than aware of islam and it's threat. What he is not wanting to do is punish the persians for the iranian behavior.
To those of you that claim "anti semitism", you are idiots as well. jews do not have the market cornered on semitism. Arabs are semites as well. Maybe you didn't bother to learn that, shut your hearing off, closed your eyes to proper definitions and terms??? I don't know.
In any case, some of the articles on here are created to CAUSE readers to get more upset about something than should be. Paul wants to eliminate all foreign aid including Israel. Good. He never said he wanted to turn his BACK on Israel. I'm jewish and have NO worry over the paltry amount that is being sent to Israel because when the rest of it is eliminated Israel will not have to compete in that matter and can most definately take things into her own hands. In fact, if foreign aid was cut off, Israel would not have any obligation to "check with us" before defending herself. Remember, he who pays the piper calls the tune. There would be no more "don't settle your own land" crap coming from us either!
Paul has also stated time and time again that he has NO intention of running as a 3rd party candidate. Had you seen the interview you would have gotten that. When Chris asked him why, he said, "I don't want to". This much we KNOW for a fact about Ron Paul, he tells the truth and you can take him at his word. Ron Paul is a republican. A true republican. He has no intentions of running under the umbrella of another name which is what would have to happen for him to run as a 3rd party candidate.
Unfortunately, some people in this forum are SO worried about islam that they can't see past their own noses. If we had a president that followed the letter of the law and our constitution, we wouldn't need to worry about the muslims complaining about cooking bacon or burning our flag in our own streets. We can't defend ourselves here or anywhere else when our constitution is being usurped and our foreign policy is causing us to borrow money to buy friendship from people that aren't and never will be our friends/take the money and use it against us.
Don't vote for him! Vote for who you want or who you think can handle it. But if this is your reason, you've missed the boat.
Do you think the military will rebel over being brought home? Is there any reason you can think of that we need to be protecting South Korea anymore? Are we forever responsible to them? Why are we in Japan? Germany? Saudi Arabia can't take care of itself? We're in over 100 countries.
Cutting defense spending is not cutting defense. I personally know many in the military that would love to come home and protect OUR border!
Can you think of any reason we need a camara on every corner in the USA labeled "homeland security" and paid for under defense? Do you think these camaras are there so we can keep an eye on the muslims? NO, they're watching YOU. Not preventing anything or keeping anyone safe... just watching you so they can label you a domestic threat if you disagree. That's not how Paul operates. Have you been through checkpoints ont he highway yet? Has your entire family been x-rayed on the highway yet? How about your gun? Paul's the only one thus far that would make sure that we all CAN carry whatever weapon we choose to defend ourselves against criminals OR our government.
I'm sure the military hates the idea of pulling out of these illegal wars and getting home with their limbs in tact. I'm sure they hate the idea of getting home without traumatic brain injury. I highly doubt the military would have an uprising. If it hasn't done it yet with the past morons that have been sending them off to their death for chits and giggles, Paul surely won't cause it.
Jan wrote:
I don't know very much about American politics,or how it is structured. Can any of the American posters here explain to me and other non-American posters, *why* Mr. Alan West isn't running for President ? Is it that he just doesn't want to, or are there constitutional reasons why he can't ?
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Alarmed Pig Farmer pretty much summed it up, Jan.
The fact is, his name is Allen—*not* Alan—West. I don't point that out to give you a hard time—not at all!—but to show that his name recognition *is* still low, even among people who admire him.
He was just elected to the House of Representatives—Congress—this last January. There is nothing legally preventing him from running, but he is not well known nationally yet.
Of course, neither was a certain Barack Obama—and the fact that the electorate knew almost diddly-squat about him worked—to our lasting shame—much to his advantage.
But I don't believe Congressman West wants to run on that basis. If a Republican—*any* Republican—wins the Whitehouse in 2012, I doubt he'd consider running until 2020.
But if Obama is re-elected, I think it quite likely that we'll see him as a candidate in 2016.
A awful lot can happen with these sorts of long time-lines, though.
Still, I have been *very* impressed with what I have seen of Allen West so far—so much so, that I almost certainly would vote for him if he does decide to throw his hat in the ring. After all, it's still a full year until the 2012 elections.
But I have to say, I don't expect him to run. He is very much a man to look out for, though—I'll be watching his progress as a Congressman, as will many others. He seems to have the stuff to become a real leader—something all of us in the West sorely need.
"I would argue that of the candidates who are running, there is only one who fully understands the threats posed by our enemies at home and abroad such as Islam, the 9th Circuit Court, the left wing liberals and their Islamic apologist mainstream media, the quisling in our Oval Office, and has the experience, mettle, and leadership skills to be a great President - and that is Newt Gingrich.
I would further argue that Allen West would make a great choice for Newt's running mate in 2012."
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I would have to agree, and Allen West is one of our greatest Statesmen. We must support him in his rise.
What an excellent bit of "teaching" that was, GI, for Jan.
Concise, thoughtful, etc.
A+....jajajajaja
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Thanks, GI, that's cleared it up for me. *Allen* West - I'll remember !