This calls for some champagne: A second Iranian nuclear facility has exploded

Accident? Or canny Israeli self-defense? Either way, it's good news. "A second Iranian nuclear facility has exploded, as diplomatic tensions rise between the West and Tehran," by Sheera Frenkel for The Times, November 30 (thanks to Mackie):

AN IRANIAN nuclear facility has been hit by a huge explosion, the second such blast in a month, prompting speculation that Tehran's military and atomic sites are under attack.

Satellite imagery seen by The Times confirmed that a blast that rocked the city of Isfahan on Monday struck the uranium enrichment facility there, despite denials by Tehran.

The images clearly showed billowing smoke and destruction, negating Iranian claims yesterday that no such explosion had taken place. Israeli intelligence officials told The Times that there was "no doubt" that the blast struck the nuclear facilities at Isfahan and that it was "no accident".

The explosion at Iran's third-largest city came as satellite images emerged of the damage caused by one at a military base outside Tehran two weeks ago that killed about 30 members of the Revolutionary Guard, including General Hassan Moghaddam, the head of the Iranian missile defence program.

Iran claimed that the Tehran explosion occurred during testing on a new weapons system designed to strike at Israel. But several Israeli officials have confirmed that the blast was intentional and part of an effort to target Iran's nuclear weapons program.

On Monday, Isfahan residents reported a blast that shook tower blocks in the city at about 2.40pm and seeing a cloud of smoke rising over the nuclear facility on the edge of the city.

"This caused damage to the facilities in Isfahan, particularly to the elements we believe were involved in storage of raw materials," said one military intelligence source.

He would not confirm or deny Israel's involvement in the blast, instead saying that there were "many different parties looking to sabotage, stop or coerce Iran into stopping its nuclear weapons program".

Iran went into frantic denial yesterday as news of the explosion at Isfahan emerged. Alireza Zaker-Isfahani, the city's governor, claimed that the blast had been caused by a military exercise in the area but state-owned agencies in Tehran soon removed this story and issued a government denial that any explosion had taken place at all.

On Monday, Dan Meridor. the Israeli Intelligence Minister, said: "There are countries who impose economic sanctions and there are countries who act in other ways in dealing with the Iranian nuclear threat."

Major-General Giora Eiland, Israel's former director of national security, told Israel's army radio that the Isfahan blast was no accident. "There aren't many coincidences, and when there are so many events there is probably some sort of guiding hand, though perhaps it's the hand of God," he said....

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I would get out of the area ...can't be a healthy place, if indeed it is "a uranium enrichment facility" that has not exploded and not sent smoke up in the air and is not polluting the surroundings.

Israel...you are my hero!

Israel....you are my hero!

"Perhaps its the hand of God".--Indeed! By His or surrogate it mattereth not.

I guess the Stuxnet virus was finally removed, so it was time for something a little more direct.

Yupppiieeeeeeee.....

I'm not sure what to make of your comment.........whether or not it is condescending. I hope Israel DID do it. They seem to be the only country with the cojones to do anything having to do with preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons. Please elaborate.

Ima

One word. Again.

MOSSAD
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DDA and I argued about the "incompetence vs. Mossad angle" the last time this sort of thing happened.

It's Mossad.

Quotye: Major-General Giora Eiland, Israel's former director of national security, told Israel's army radio that the Isfahan blast was no accident. "There aren't many coincidences, and when there are so many events there is probably some sort of guiding hand, though perhaps it's the hand of God," he said....

Definitely hand of God.

Hand of God, Allah's will, planetary alignments, whatever. Here are 'before and after' pix: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15960456

Looks serious, better get out the Geiger counter, start counting, the gods may return.

It was inevitable. Thank God for unenlightened islam! Too funny! The muslims have been nothing but smug about their use of Western technology as a weapon against the West. Without the West's scientific and technological advances, muslims would still be rubbing 2 sticks together to create fire. Guess their arrogance "back-fired" on them. Good for Israel.

There's a third possibility, namely internal sabotage. Iranians are not monolithic. There is dissension within the Islamist ranks, there are Muslims who are more moderate, or at least not interested in nuclear war or in what might happen if Israel or the US is forced to take out the nuclear facilities, there are non-Muslim minorities, and there are secularists, ranging from Western type liberals to Communists.

insh'allah, morons!

Truly, the will of Allah. Muslims should use atomic bombs. Didn't Allah say so?

Best news possible!

Israel's incomparable intelligence mechanism and covert special operations, will see to it that Tehran, never arms itself with a nuclear warhead. Their existance depends on it.

There is nothing worse than a fanatical, fundementalist theocracy with a nuclear weapon. Especially one that has repeatedly thretened to use it.

Returning to the real world, it says much that a significant success just to maintain the negative status quo against Israel - is seen as a major victory.

I would keep the champagne on ice. And expect some sparks to fly.

Or, perhaps, Iranian incompetence?

Not to make light the deaths of anyone, no matter what dark god they serve or what country they live in, I cannot resist posting this.

"The Hand of God" could very well be the freedom loving enemies within Iran (in league with Israel?) who understand that once the mullahs go nuclear toppling them from power will be as difficult as overthrowing the commie regime of North Korea. Indeed, a nuclear armed Iran will be the North Korea of the Middle East giving longevity to the regime along with decades of regional and global trouble and possibly nuclear war.

Chupacabras? Bigfoot? Exploding mice?

No wonder the Iranian goon squads are so mad at everyone lately.

GOOOOOOOOOOO MOSSADDDDDDDDDD!!

One Iranian nuclear weapons site at a time.

May not be Mossad but the legend works as far as I can see!

After all, according to official Islamic sources, even shark attacks, trained vultures, there isn't anything beyond the righteous justice of the Mossad.

Mazel tov! Or is that Molotov?

While there was some controversy as to the correct translation of Ahmedinejad's statement, his own spokesmen repeatedly confirmed that he had said that Israel should be annihilated. That would seem to settle the matter. Furthermore, although at times Ahmedinejad denies that his government intends aggression against Israel and pretends moderation by claiming that Israel will self-destruct, his government more-or-less openly supports Hizbollah, a group open committed to the annihilation of Israel, and street mobs in Iran, a country with little freedom of speech, routinely call for the destruction of Israel and death of Jews. Ahmedinejad may not be willing to commit to a direct attack on Israel, but it is clear what he would like to do, and a nuclear Iran would constitute an unacceptable risk to Israel.

Chupacabras? Bigfoot? Exploding mice?

No, but be careful with those conspiracy theories. It's those damned Israeli squirrels.
You just don't know… they're everywhere!

Exactly. HE's done got him some surrogates runnin' around, doesn't HE! I dont care if lassie digs up an old unexploded munition as long as it works. Quote the country prophet-poet---"GITTER DONE"!

Wow. So thats how it happened. Wonder how they got the video of the event out so soon?

Iran proposes, God disposes !!

Just amazing...how the Mossad can insinuate its agents into the heart of Iran's top-secret weapons programs. As intelligence services go, it is second to none.

You're a clown!

Israel hasn't attacked anyone. The victim, Israel, threatened with extinction by Ahmadina-jihad has simply defended herself. She has simply defended herself against attacks for 3,000 years.
Israel has never, but never, initiated an attack on anyone.

And as a bonus point: The Russians have probably had internet contact with the Iranians over the years in their attempt to help them build their nuclear weapon capability. And we all know how Stuxnet just loves to hurtle through cyberspace and lodge itself in weapons systems that are connected to each other. What would you bet that the Russians are up to their necks in Stuxnet, too?

No wonder the Israelis can smile nonchalantly when Medvedev makes thinly veiled threats about taking decisive action if the Israelis try to defend themselves from attacks.

Go Israel!!

Maybe, Mossad, but then again it's probably just the quality of Muslim workmanship.

....I guess I just deal with facts, and they are:....

I, nabi ZK (pbum), true nabi of all mohametan and pseudo mohametan trolls, see that you say that you a a man not to be doubted. The nabi will now answer all of your questions.

1. .... does Iran not possess the innate right to make its own foreign policy?...

Answer. No! What kind of an idiot are you to even ask such a question?

2. Iran hasn't attacked another countries in 100 years....

They have been attacking us more or less constantly since the mullahs took over. Pay more attention. The mullahs perpetrate acts of war against America in a chronic and ongoing manner.

3. ... a significant number of other countries are going to gain nuclear capability, what are we going to do, invade them all?...

No. Instead make an object example of a few nations that are out of line. This is happening with Iran and I, nabific and wise, suspect they will pay a heavy price for their policy. The future of humanity on this planet may depend on it. Containment will not always work. These are dangerous toys and they should be kept away from primitive barbarians.

If Iran had blown up a nuclear facility inside of Israel, what would be Israel's reaction?....

Again. Pay attention. If this happened Israel would kick their a$$.

Would the U.S. not protest?....

Don't be such a dimwit. We would go to the UN wringing our hands and pleading for an end to hostilities, while carefully calculating the time needed for Israel to properly kick Iran's a$$.

How come it's okay for Israel to do the same?....

It is basically OK for anyone to do this. Iran is like the guy walking around with a sticky stuck to their a$$ which says "kick me".

Why do Americans even have a dog in this fight?....

Because the mullahs keep attacking us and displaying otherwise annoying behavior.
I don't care who wins - Jew, Muslim - as long as they leave us alone. .....

Again. Pay attention. If mohametans "win" they won't be leaving anyone alone.

You want to do something special for Jews, fine, give them all political asylum here, but don't waste our treasure and blood supporting an ancient land claim that is no interest o ours, and has cost us our standing throughout the Arab and Muslim worlds.....

The nabi believes that you have tipped your hand here. Say no more. Say mo more. Nudge nudge. Know what I, nabi ZK (pbum), mean?

Anyhow, just try to pay a bit more attention. And try to think more clearly also.

Your friend

nabi ZK (pbum)

There is a God.

There is a God.

It seems there are in fact two Gods.

Actually, this is a pretty smart solution. While the politicians are wringing their hands over whether or not to launch an airstrike, a few Sayeret teams operating covertly gives plausible deniability and does an end run around Iran's threats of retaliation to an air strike.

ISRAEL IS THE HERO !!!

Halleluja!

Pity they couldn't take Adolf I-m-a-Dinnerjacket out at the same time! But lets be grateful for small mercies :)

any person who think iran is not the aggressor here needs to really asses their own thinking.. when wiki leaks leaked out.. who where the arab states afraid of was it Israel or iran.... they all were threatened by iran.. and iran is the one who goes on attacking the US, Israel.. and other Western powers like the UK that stand up to these bullies! here is a
hint to use your ;common sense, where would you like to vacation, live etc.. iran or Israel!!!

I love it! Hoist by their own petard.

The Auschwitz and Iran Bombing Conspiracies...Are there Parrallels?

This was written a few years ago...It is amazing how history has proven just how accurate it has turned out to be...it is a long read but very interesting...


http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/37777/sec_id/37777

Tehran has led "rejectionist policies" against Israel, they are anti American, anti zionists, have denied the Holocaust, has repeatedly thretened Israel's destruction has attacked our country in 1979 and continues to attack Israel through Hizbolah and other surrogate operatives.

"If you want to do something special for jews", says it all.

You wrote: Factually, of course, your statement that "Israel has never, but never, initiated an attack on anyone", is incorrect.

But it is correct! From early 1965 to the Six-Day War in June 1967, the PLO through Fatah pursued a consistent policy of border attacks, particularly along the Jordanian and Lebanese borders. Criticism of these activities by the Arab governments and by local public opinion persuaded Fatah leaders to adopt a new approach known as “the entanglement theory.” This involved using sabotage to force Israel to adopt an offensive position, which in turn would force the Arabs to step up their military preparedness. This cycle of action-retaliation-reaction would lead to a gradual escalation of tension on the borders, and eventually to the Six Day War in 1967.

In 1965, 35 terrorist raids were conducted against Israel. In 1966, the number increased to 41. In just the first four months of 1967, 37 attacks were launched.

So, Israel was defending herself from constant attacks - much like the 8,000 rocket attacks by Hamas that led to the defensive incursion by the IDF into Gaza a few years back.

Israel has never, but never, attacked a neighbor! She has always been on the defense.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_sixday_backgd.php

FLASHBACK 2009: The Boeing Company, industry teammates and the U.S. Missile Defense Agency on Aug. 10 successfully completed the Airborne Laser's (ABL) first in-flight test against an instrumented target missile, achieving a historic milestone.


[Apparently, missiles don't have to be airborne for this to work, huh.]

Well, the Iranian President has been denied his dream of sacrificing the (conquered) Persian people for global jihad. He will not be bringing back the Mahdi today . . . (uniting the global jihad against the West). He will probably try to salvage his little "mission" in life and claim the explosions radiated the largest cities in Iran, taking no responsibility whatsoever for putting nuclear weapons plants next to major cities.

If only there would also be mysterious explosions in Pakistan and other (nuclear) factions of the global jihad. Of course, the Muslim Brotherhood is probably meeting to discuss the global jihad's "retaliation" for the Iranian explosions.

billposer said: "There's a third possibility, namely internal sabotage. Iranians are not monolithic. There is dissension within the Islamist ranks ...."

Nice point. There's also a fourth possibility -- another Moslem country: [1] Turkey has been an adversary of Persia for centuries; [2] Pakistan has a large Shia minority and might not care for a nuclear-armed Iran as a neighbor especially since it already faces a nuclear-armed India on its opposite border; [3] Saudi Arabia and the smaller Persian Gulf states; they have experienced Iran-backed terrorist attacks, and the Persian Gulf states have substantial Shia minorities.

"There aren't many coincidences, and when there are so many events there is probably some sort of guiding hand, though perhaps it's the hand of God," he [Major-General Giora Eiland, Israel's former director of national security] said....

What a lovely dig at the Moslem belief that everything happens according to the will of Allah!

Congratulations to the Israelis for a job well done.

Let the Iranians now decide if they will play victim and cry how the Jews kicked their butt or if they save whats left of their dignity and keep quiet....

Why should Israel fear a counter-attack over a explosion the Iranian government denies ever happened? If the explosion never happened, wouldn't a strike by the Iranians constitute naked aggression by the Iranian regime?

Simple logic indicates that the Iranians cannot simultaneously claim there was no explosion,and therefore no attack by Israel on Iran, and then take retaliatory action against Israel for the strike the Iranians claim never happened.

Even the Iranians aren't fools enough to argue that absurdity.

Unless of course theres a absurd command in the absurd koran for support. Then its reason be damned.

Sir,

Choosing to reprimand JW posters/haters, instead of dispelling what you have charectarized as fallacies and falsehoods, is in itself hateful. Your comment may have been better recieved, if you would have posted it on SPLC hate watch blog.

Respectfully,
Domenick

Why should we care about "our standing throughout the Arab and Muslim worlds" ?

Wondering why we let this monster grow? Mullahs of Iran and the crook Ahmednijad shall be thrown into the Persian sea soon.

"Zionism leaves me alone: Islamism does not."

That is the most concise and clear-cut way I've seen the matter been put into perspective in a long time! Thank you @SISAC for your contribution.

Take care and kind regs from Amsterdam,
Sag

On Iran: "Their leadership isn't crazy",you say. So "Death to America" is just a standard greeting, like "Good Day"? And Ahmadinejad does not really mean what he says every time he refers to the coming of the twelfth imam and chaos and destruction needed to bring about his coming?

No: The mistake would be not to take them at their words.

I'm with you 100%, Dowse.

To you JW worrywarts:

O ye of little faith . . .

I'm going to start using Robert's line every time Israel triumphs in this manner from now on:

I tried to tell you.

This is indeed a cause for celebration!

Oh, and nabi ZK (pbuy), gotta love ya', as always!

"All you haters - I'm clear as a bell. I'll try and simplify one fact for you, perhaps facts will affect one of you. In the 60 Minutes interview of Ahmadinejad, he did not say he wanted to "wipe Israel off the map". "

He has said on numerous occassions..."Death to Israel"

He has said the Zionist Regime in Israel should be wiped off the map.

He has said the Palestinian people should wipe Israel off the map...

It is very clear how he feels about wiping Israel off the map.

I used to think that Iran building nuclear facilities was a bad thing. This article is starting to change my mind.

Does anyone really believe Iran's nuclear plants were designed to provide electricity for the Iranian people?

Thinking may be an inherent problem with you. I would suggest that you take it easy at first, until you get used to it.

That link was exactly like my little girl (of happy memory) saw this world transformed into her own! Thanks.

That link was exactly the way my own little girl (of happy memory) saw this world transformed into her own! Thanks.

Oh, and Yisrael chai!

And also, as I know all so well, the rainbow was her signature favorite. From the time I showed her the spectrum and lined her crayons in spectral order, she drew the rainbow--the span of nigh four years. You've shared a revery with me, 'Wook.

In reply to her questions about Heaven, I replied that, if you can dream it, you can have it.

Eye has not seen, nor ears heard. . . .

I also showed her the musicvideo of an Israeli pop singer that Hugh Fitzgerald once posted here.


We'll leave the flowery rhetoric to you.

Some of us know how to win a war - and make no mistake, we are at WAR - and it's not with words.

Keep on calling us "haters"; your doing so only indicates your status as part of the uneducated generation and the level of your ignorance vis a vis the ideology of pisslam.

There's nothing wrong with hating evil.

Period.

Blessed Metatron in service of the Lord God,Thank you. The Iranians deserve this justice.

Well said, Domenick.

CGW writes:

"To you JW worrywarts:

O ye of little faith . . ."
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JE Dyer over at Hot Air

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/11/30/that-uranium-conversion-facility-at-esfahan-not-a-priority-target/

has an interesting, but pessimistic analysis. I think it's flawed, however, in that he makes the mistake of assuming that Israel's intelligence agency isn't, actually, NOT trying to make it look like an accident, which seems to suggest non-involvement by Mossad.

But sowing this particular seed in the paranoia of the Mullahs seems very Islamo-savvy, and deliciously pernicious, if one knows the "thinking" of Muslims and Mohammed.
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How's your Thursday, C?

Below is a link to the latest clip of PJTV's "Iranian Time Bomb" series hosted by Dr. Michael Ledeen. He spends a few minutes at the end of the episode explaining who probably are responsible.

His analysis seems to make sense.

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=174&load=6341

From that link, the Doctor says something to the effect:
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"They knew General Mogadahn was gonna' be at that military base".
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This sort of talk reassures me that the "good guys" are hard at work (as a tangential comparison - think of what went into getting bin Laden, in a sovereign state).
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Truly, it is allah's will.

Yup, the good guys are at work but I think all the hard work is being done by the Mossad. I've never thought of the CIA as being particularly good for this kind of thing. To my mind, the CIA may have been responsible for the fall of the Shah either through incompetence or malice. Either way was bad news. So, if real good news comes out of all of this, it may be the efforts of the Mossad to which the West will owe its thanx.

I don't know if you saw the link I provided to the previous episode of Iranian Time Bomb but that one was more interesting to me and somewhat heartbreaking. The episode dealt with the abandonment, by the US, of the Iranian resistance to the Iranian 'Theocracy. The JW article, where I put the link, dealt with this issue as it related to President Obama. Dr. Ledeen dealt with the issue as it related to Hillary Clinton. The good doctor makes it clear that this wasn't just abandonment, it may have been an out-and-out betrayal.

If you missed the PJTV link it is: http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=174&load=6308

One disappointment is that Dr. Ledeen said he would continue the discussion in the next episode but he didn't as far as I can see. The next episode is the one to which you just commented. I guess I will have to send and email to remind him of his promise.

Anyway, nice to hear from you David. Have a nice day and talk to ya soon.

Exactly Kepha!

I think it's more of a "3 Stooges" effect than anything else. Ineptitude comes to mind, not Mossad. Someone else posted how Iranians are not "monolithic." But I don't see students fighting the regime in this way.

I say it's more like, "nyuk nyuk.. whoo whoo..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ZgVRJ-H8U

That's one for the Hand of God!;)

Maybe he's quoting from the Haggada: And with a strong hand and an outstretched arm..."

Woohoo!! May there be more Hands of God reaching for and destroying the MadmanDJINNedad's nuclear death machine...

Up twinkles for that Deity!!

That's one for the Hand of God!;)

Maybe he's quoting from the Haggada: And with a strong hand and an outstretched arm..."

Woohoo!! May there be more Hands of God reaching for and destroying the MadmanDJINNedad's nuclear death machine...

Up twinkles for that Deity!!

That's one for the Hand of God!;)

Maybe he's quoting from the Haggada: And with a strong hand and an outstretched arm..."

Woohoo!! May there be more Hands of God reaching for and destroying the MadmanDJINNedad's nuclear death machine...

Up twinkles for that Deity!!

That's one for the Hand of God!;)

Maybe he's quoting from the Haggada: And with a strong hand and an outstretched arm..."

Woohoo!! May there be more Hands of God reaching for and destroying the MadmanDJINNedad's nuclear death machine...

Up twinkles for that Deity!!

That's one for the Hand of God!;)

Maybe he's quoting from the Haggada: And with a strong hand and an outstretched arm..."

Woohoo!! May there be more Hands of God reaching for and destroying the MadmanDJINNedad's nuclear death machine...

Up twinkles for that Deity!!

We can never underestimate the power of psy-ops.

"We can never underestimate the power of psy-ops."
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That's sort of the line I was thinking. I mean, the possibilities seem to boil down to:
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1. The Israelis had nothing to do with it. If they admit they had nothing to do with it, it minimizes the psy-ops.

2. The Israelis (and their partners, possibly) had everything to do with it. If this is the case, admitting complicity also weakens their position, given the virulent anti-Jewishness in the media today, if for only that reason.

3. The recent explosions at 2 Nuclear-related facilities in Iran are related, directly, to ineptitude, and/or a sad coincidence of "accidents". I, personally, CGW, don't believe in accidents or coincidences (unless in a spiritual context), but I'm no physicist, either.

4. We've all got it wrong, and as the Israeli official said, "It's, the Hand of God" at work.
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Whaddya' thunk?



I personally believe that the Israelis did it and that they are playing a masterful game, keeping us all speculating exactly as you did above. I have full confidence in their ability to strategize long-term and to eliminate the islamic threat entirely, utilizing a myriad of options based on multiple-stream possibilities created by a seemingly infinite number of conceivable scenarios.

On a different note, I want to apologize sincerely, Dowse, for how I've behaved toward you in the past. I am ashamed of myself. Please forgive me. You are my comrade-in-arms, and as such I pledge my loyalty and friendship to you, for as long as this existential conflict (civilization vs. islam) continues, and beyond.


I meant the above as a "replied to". Sorry.

CGW-

There's no need to apologize, C, though I think it is very big of you, and the mark of a true gentleman. Apology accepted.

We both acted silly, and I'm glad - very glad, that it's all over.

Comrades forever!!

Have a good Saturday, C. I gotta' write 2 exams...arrrghh!

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