Cardinal Theodore McCarrick is the Roman Catholic Archbishop Emeritus of Washington, DC.
The Imam Mohamed Magid is with the ADAMS Center. From a February 2008 report: "Another D.C.-area mosque, the ADAMS Center, was founded and financed by members of the Muslim Brotherhood, and has been one of the top distributors of Wahhabist anti-Semitic and anti-Christian dogma."
Also, Magid is the President of the Islamic Society of North America. ISNA has admitted ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, and is an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding case.
Thesis of tonight's debate: The Church in America is abysmally led.
The affirmative side will now proceed,
The affirmative calls Cardinal Theodore McCarrick,
I'll take the clerics' word that Imam Magid is a really swell guy; that just doesn't make Islam and Islamizers any more trustworthy, nor the Umma any less hostile.
The cluelessness and naiveté' of Cardinal Theodore McCarrick is hardly credible.
If he's not a complete and total fool he is complicit.
If he is complicit, he's a criminal and a traitor.
If he is the fool he professes to be, he should be replaced at once.
Hmmm. Curious! What can you say about that?
Is he a "useful idiot"?
Does he know what the Koran teaches: "Do not take Jews and Christians as your friends"?
"Make war on the unbeliever"?
Is he aware of the islamic doctrine of taqqya? A muslim can pretend to be a friend. But when jihad calls your head be be on a spike!
Is he maybe trying to win "hearts and minds"?
I hate to sound cynical, but I would not trust anyone called Mohammad.
Or is it fear?
Just one quote from the Pope and churches were burned and christians killed.
Here I sympathise. The higher you are in office, the more cautious you have to be. The lives of others are at stake. "Careless words cost lives."
All that said I believe the right approach to muslims is as was said: "Speak softly and carry a big stick."
The Cardinal is certainly speaking softly. Don't let that make you forget to carry a big stick.
Muslims have the islam-virus. (to use a metaphor.)
Talk is useless.
You must recognise that they are incurably unwell and you must protect youself from them.
Pretending that a rabid Rotweiler is neither a Rotweiler nor rabid is a sure way to have you arms chewed off.
In this case you will have your head cut off.
Islam must be defeated.
That's it.
Hmm, can you say, Useful Idiot? ..wow, he certainly is!
It was a quote.
From Wikipedia:
"In political jargon, 'useful idiot' is a pejorative term used to describe people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they do not understand, who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause.
The term was originally used to describe Soviet sympathizers in Western countries."
It was a quote.
From Wikipedia:
"In political jargon, 'useful idiot' is a pejorative term used to describe people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they do not understand, who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause.
The term was originally used to describe Soviet sympathizers in Western countries."
oops!
I seem to have joined the ranks of the double-posters!
Ah well...
I am convinced, after years of research that the Catholic
church & the Islamic church is run by the same boss Satan !!!
he is not a useful idiot. he is a religous figure and all religous figures no matter what religion they have, they back each other. they have vested and visouce intrest in common. and that is keep people believing in some BS that does not exist so they can make money.
m
Steady there matey!
The Catholic Church does not teach Jihad.
Or "honor"-killing or stoning or amputation or beheading.
20,000 islamic Jihad attacks in just last 10 yrs.
All with mosque approval.
How many Catholic terror attacks?
Hint: None!
Well, that isn't necessarily true, miriam ...our pastor would never speak this way about islam and company; in fact, he takes a stand AGAINST this evil religion. BTW, he pastors a non-denominational Christian church.
I am not going to judge him on his "friend", I have "jihadi sympathizers" as friends too.
I am just not willfully ignorant like he is.
"It is He who expelled the ones who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture from their homes at the first gathering. You did not think they would leave, and they thought that their fortresses would protect them from Allah; but [the decree of] Allah came upon them from where they had not expected, and He cast terror into their hearts [so] they destroyed their houses by their [own] hands and the hands of the believers. So take warning, O people of vision." (Qur'an 59:2)
Do you know what discernment is?
Would you say that Jesus and Mohammad were much the same?
Or how about Mother Teresa and Hitler?
Or St Francis of Assisi and Joseph Goebels?
Not much to choose between them you think?
And Christianity and Islam : more or less the same?
Or Pope John-Paul ll and Ayatollah Khomenei?
Two peas in the same pod?
..."they have vested and visouce intrest in common. and that is keep people believing in some BS that does not exist so they can make money."
Are you for real? ...Lord have mercy!
No, miriam does not possess discernment; his above comment proves it, and he has officially joined the ranks of the Useful Idiot. I can't stop laughing.
Cardinal Theodore McCarrick is a dhimmwit!
Thanks for support.
you are mixing apples and oranges here. Jew hatred in the european phsycie as well muslims. muslims teach jew hated since day one. but one thing you can place the blame squarly on jews without being ashamed is that they created god,. Single Diety and the world has never been the same. you are camprion indiviuals and I asmm cpmaring doctorines. wat two differnt this.
M
i responded to you but it did not appear. I should have been more careful. I should have said most of them so point well taken.
m
no. I am not a useful idoit. I just hate religions. thank you for your kind comments.
M
No kidding ...and if he keeps this up, then Cardinal McCarrick will be nominated for American Dhimmi next year; although he certainly qualifies now.
"no. I am not a useful idoit. I just hate religions. thank you for your kind comments."
No? Then how would you classify your remark?
You wrote ..."all religous figures no matter what religion they have, they back each other. they have vested and visouce intrest in common. and that is keep people believing in some BS that does not exist so they can make money."
Inane works for me ...
Oh, and thank you for your kind words regarding all religions. Seems you can dish it out, but you can't take it? It's high time that you got the facts straight regarding ALL religions. I cannot believe that you are still spewing the same garbage, miriam. By now you ought to know better, especially since you've been on Jihad Watch all these years reading the headlines about evil islam and company. Really, a long time poster like you should know better. Good grief!
You say that
I am comparing individuals. You are comparing doctrines.
Well ok.
Let's compare doctrines.
Jesus: "Love your enemies. Do good to those who hate you."
Mohammad: "If anyone leaves his religion, kill him!"
Qur'an: "The trees will cry: 'O muslim, there is a Jew hiding here. Come and kill him!"
No difference?
I am merley expressing my opinion about religion. how does this eqaul Useful idiots. after all arent we here fight an Idealogy called Islam that wants to curtail and limit freedom of speech? so by me renoucning religion I am then a useful idiot? would you say the same thing about Pat Condell and Mr. Hithen who died last week?
M
Forgive me for jumping in on anther conversation.
The answer to bad religion is not no religion.
It is good religion.
Do you know the expression: "Throwing out the baby with the bath-water"?
Nihilism is not an answer. It is despair.
typo-correction.: anther-another.
I am not a nihilist. I am an athiest. and athiests are the most peaceful people out there.
M
"athiests are the most peaceful people"
You mean like Mao Tse Tung who killed 80,000,000?
Or Joseph Stalin who killed 60,000,000?
Next you'll be telling me about the religion of peace!
Check out McCarrick's crew at The National Interreligious Initiative For Peace In The Middle East.
http://www.nili-mideastpeace.org/about_us
Pretty much says it all.
I am not responding anymore. this is way off of the topic. Have a great holiday.
M
I wholly support free speech, but of course that may come with a price if others do not agree with you, right? So I, in turn, am also expressing my opinion regarding your flagrantly flawed thinking - which you demonstrated in your comment, here:
"all religous figures no matter what religion they have, they back each other. they have vested and visouce intrest in common. and that is keep people believing in some BS that does not exist so they can make money."
Spelling errors aside, your above remark is not merely an expression of free speech, but it is a bald-faced lie. So should lies go unchallenged? And you may think it cute to be dismissive of my observations regarding your above remark by claiming that you are "merely" exercising free speech. The fact remains that you are doing much more than that - you are lying by clumping evil islam in with ALL other religions. Oh, and your other inane comment that, "atheists are the most peaceful people out there", is equally untrue. We are all flawed - in one form or another, since we are ALL sinners - so to level this claim about atheists makes you look ridiculous. Hey lets stick to the subject about who the real enemy is: islam and company.
This is Jihad Watch ...not, All-Religions-Suck-Watch. Perhaps you should start your own website and have at it.
"Have a great holiday."
U2.
you can express your opinion without calling me a name.
Have a great weekend and a great holiday.
M
Lest we forget, McCarrick is a Cardinal of the Roman Catholic. He is obliged to follow the Catechism in total.
Para. 841 says:
"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
I am not at all surprised at what he said. To do otherwise would mean he would need to resign.
The RCC is worse off than I thought. Your reference can be found at,
http://www.kofc.org/catechism/getsection.action?part=1&sec=2&chap=3&art=9¶sec=3&subsec=3&hdr=4&par=841¶type=a
"and together with us they [muslims] adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
islam's allah is the same of the Hebrew Bible and the Christian Bible.
Yikes! What's going on in ye olde Vatican research department?
In Jesus, the sin gap is bridged between the created and the Father.
In islam, shariah (the path) is the answer.
Thank you ...but I'll be enjoying a Merry Christmas and hope that you will, too! Afterall, Jesus is the Reason for the Season, right? Why pretend that this is just some ordinally weekend or holiday, when it isn't ...
Jesus Christ was the greatest man that ever lived! ...surely even an atheist like yourself can see that, and perhaps find it in your heart to honor His birthday.
Fineliving56's son:
Miriam said that "atheists are the most peaceful people."
Girard attempts to refute miriam's claim with examples of two atheists that killed millions.
But is that really a strong criticism? Why not compare all the killing among all the religions (including atheism).
Who killed more people in history; atheists or christians?
(take muslims out of the equation. or call them #1 if you like.)
so who's #2? atheists or christians?
Fineliving56's son:
"Jesus Christ was the greatest man that ever lived!"
Have you met every man that ever lived? How would you know who is the greatest man that ever lived? How would anyone know that? Who could be the universal judge of that kind of claim? It seems that the only possible universal judge that could know such a thing, would be God. So has God said that Jesus was the greatest man that ever lived?
"...surely even an atheist like yourself can see that, and perhaps find it in your heart to honor His birthday."
How could you believe that an atheist would believe in your claim? If a person believed in your claim, wouldn't she be a christian, not an atheist?
Fineliving56's son:
"and perhaps find it in your heart to honor His birthday."
December 25th is not Jesus's birthday. No one knows when Jesus born. No one knows even when our great grand parents were born. Back then, people didn't record birthdays or keep birth certificates.
What a strange testimonial. Were they taped for an Imam Roast at the local mosque?
Are you an atheist? If not, what then?
"Cardinal Theodore McCarrick - the Roman Catholic Archbishop Emeritus of Washington, DC."
There's only one word for someone like this - Delusional.
But there's a quick fix for anyone so oblivious of the true nature of islam - read the koran.
Reading the koran gives a new ( and true ) meaning to the word "pornography".
Reading the koran made me puke, reading the koran is traumatic but getting people to read the koran is all we need to do to win the battle against islam, get everyone to read the koran.
It was another delusional character who wrote the koran, or rather plagerized the Bible and then reversed every teaching therein.
mohammed must still be laughing his incredulous ass off in hell to think that fourteen hundred years later his little scam is still working, and people are still buying his little murder manual.
I can't believe anyone in the Cardinals position has not read the koran, but what other explanation can there be for the fact that he seems so ignorant?
And I have to think that not having read the koran is true of most of our politicians and news media.
What I find incomprehensible is that, as far as I can tell, the Church has not said one word about the plight and slaughter of Christians in Serbia, Kosovo, and Albania.
Not a word about the ethnic cleansing of Christians from Iraq.
Or about the oppression and murder of Coptic Christians in Egypt.
Even the Pope made one true statement about islam - and then rolled over.
"Speaking in Germany, the Pope quoted a 14th Century Christian emperor who said the Prophet Muhammad had brought the world only "evil and inhuman" things. "
"Hear, hear", I can get behind that - but then I look around and even the Pope is not behind me, let alone Cardinal McCarrick.
Vlad,
Listen to the clip again. All McCarrick really said was that he was at an interfaith meeting where he didn't know anybody, until he ran into Magid, who didn't know anyone there either.
McCarrick praised Magid as a great defender of Muslims, and said he presumed that Magid returned McCarrick's admiration.
I wouldn't go to McCarrick for information about Islam, but Mc Carrick didn't exactly give away the family jewels, either. He sounded like what he looked: an amiable, retired, not-too-current archbishop. McCarrick is a sociable hanger-on at interfaith meetings, but clearly not a player.
The interfaith movement is a major problem, though.
Unfortunately, reform Judaism, the largest branch of Judaism in the country, is thoroughly behind the interfaith movement. The Union for Reform Judaism throws its considerable weight in favor of marginalizing "Islamophobes", and supporting ventures such as the Ground Zero Mosque.
You can find the following materials on the website of the Union for Reform Judaism:
http://urj.org/socialaction/issues/muslimdialogue/guide/
I no longer practice Judaism, but it is painful to me to see such a stupid display of supporting your enemies. And, to be perfectly clear, I would not be upset if the Union for Reform Judaism had simply opposed discrimination against individual Muslims. I would agree with that, in fact. But, they make it a religious imperative to see Islam as simply another religion, more-or-less equivalent to Roman Catholicism with a few wild cards thrown in.
This material is part of a lesson found on the website of the Union for Reform Judaism...
http://urj.org/socialaction/issues/muslimdialogue/guide/?syspage=article&item_id=3614
"Qur'an: "The trees will cry: 'O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding here. Come and kill him!"
Hi gerard, letting you know that's in the Hadiths:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." (Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177)
And here's a link to "Palestinian Media Watch" explaining what the "Hour" is.
http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=427
Hi champ - Merry Christmas to you and Good Tidings, too!
Thanks for the references.
I don't know how the religious establishment in the US can ignore the blatant violence, hatred, and injustice promoted by "mainstream" Muslim Imams and public official. Having ignored the easily-available evidence, they treat Muslims as simply Rotarians with skullcaps.
In my opinion, the Muslim leaders in the US are like undercover members of a vice squad who get a bit too entangled in the money and excitement of the worlds of drugs, gambling and prostitution. They "go native" psychologically in the course of their work. Ultimately, they betray their high-flying friends, because the alternative is prison and disgrace.
Similarly, Muslim leaders in the US become enamored of the sophistication and prestige of the religious establishment in the US, and get drawn into the world of the interfaith movement and the social gospel. That's one reason they can sound so sincere and mix so easily. On one level, they are reacting honestly. Ultimately, the Muslim leaders will go back to their roots, because nobody is going to show them deference if they don't represent a sizable congregation.
By the way, these ideas are a bit of a stretch, so I won't be insulted if somebody shoots them down.
Thank you, Courreges W :) ...and Merry Christmas to you, too!
I am a Catholic but as the years drift by I am becoming more certain that the Church has been infiltrated by the forces of evil which do Satan's will in seeking to destroy the Church. The disaster of Vatican 2 seems to have been the catalyst and on its current path the Church as a universal body is doomed.
Thanks.
I did actually think it was probably Hadith rather than koran.
You eagle eye got me!
Happy Christmas.
Same to you gerard!
Hi RonaldB -
I second your reply at Vlad.
The title of this topic:
"Cardinal McCarrick expresses "respect" for imam with ties to Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas".
Quite unfortunate, me thinks.
Did this Cardinal express "respect" because the imam has ties with the MB and Hamas? Nope, it's just this depressing phenomenon of stubborn and foolhearted Christian outreach, not reciprocated by Muslims. So what's with this title then, which is so ambiguous. Why leave room for the numerous habitual Vatican-bashers?
Kind regs from Amsterdam,
Sag
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Useful Idiot, by Proxy.
Read the Koran is a good suggestion, but despite my being quite a good reader, I can't get through it. It's not only the incoherence. It's like taking a slime bath. All mind pollution.
Huh... I thought maybe it was just me.
Reading the koran does cause psychic damage, trauma, mind rape.
I know that it's about 75 levels below Mein Kampf.
That makes me wonder, just how many of our airhead politicians have actually read the koran?
You know, the ones who talk about "the religion of peace" and "moderate islam" and "we're not at war with islam" and how we can't "profile" or "discriminate" and "if we only got rid of Sadam they would all become Jeffersonian Democrats" and "muslim immigration is not a problem because they will all assimilate" and on and on.
I have to think that our politicians haven't even read the koran.
Someone should do a survey to find out how many of our politicians and news people and religious leaders have actually read the koran.
I'll bet most of them don't even know what they're talking about.
Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman wrote:
Thesis of tonight's debate: The Church in America is abysmally led.
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And would that it were just the Church in America. I have heard dhimmitude from Canadian clergy, German clergy, Swedish clergy—and the Church of England is so bad that Archbishop Rowan Williams has been awarded Jihad Watch Dhimmi Internationale. Shameful.
And many Rabbis are just as foolish.
Of course, this does *not* describe all clergy—there are many brave clergy standing against Jihad such as Bishop, Patrick Sookhdeo, Bishop Nazir Ali, and Father Zakaria Botros—but they are all too rare compared to the well-meaning idiots mired in "interfaith dialogue" with evil.
Michael
you wrote - "Read the Koran is a good suggestion, but despite my being quite a good reader, I can't get through it. It's not only the incoherence. It's like taking a slime bath. All mind pollution."
That's why Mr Spencer wrote his book 'The Complete Infidel's Guide to the Koran'.
Read that. Or, if you haven't checked it out already, read his Qur'an Blog.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/quran-commentary.html
It's like watching Steve Irwin take a bunch of budding zoologists on a tour through the jungle, expertly capturing dangerous critters and cheerily explaining the various points and the function of all those nippers, claws, stingers and fangs.
Reading Mr Spencer's Quran blog, I realized that perhaps we're not meant to take literally the very strange passage at the end of St Mark's Gospel (in verse 16: 18) that says of Jesus' followers that "they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not harm them". *I* think that that verse is a pretty good description of how and why it is that our cheerful and courageous host at this website manages to spend so much time immersed in the ghastly Islamic texts - not just the Quran but the Sira and the Hadith and other things - without, so far as we can see, sustaining any mental, emotional or spiritual damage.
I guess the difference between McCarrick and Spencer is that McCarrick has either read the Quran and simply been far too innocent to realize how awful it is, or hasn't read it at all and has believed what the smiling taqiyya artists tell him; whereas Spencer being 'wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove' sees *exactly* what it is, yet is immune to - protected from - its horror.