I tried to tell you. Say, anybody heard from Terry Glavin lately? "Fearful of Egypt’s Islamist surge, Israelis see mainly disaster in the Arab world’s elections," from the Associated Press, December 4:
JERUSALEM — For Israelis, the Islamist election surge in Egypt is depressing confirmation of a deeply primal fear: An inhospitable region is becoming more hostile still.This sentiment has been accompanied by a bittersweet sense that Israel was dismissed as alarmist when it warned months ago that the Arab Spring — widely perceived as the doing of liberals yearning to be free — could lead to Islamist governments.
Speaking for most people here, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak called the emerging result of the first round of parliamentary voting in Egypt “very, very disturbing” and expressed concern about the fate of the landmark 1979 Egyptian Israeli peace treaty.
“We are very concerned,” added Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz, who has long warned that Egypt could potentially pose a threat. Speaking to The Associated Press Sunday, Steinitz expressed hope that Egypt “will not shift to some kind of Islamic tyranny.”
Experts here, as elsewhere, point out that political Islam comes in varying shades of green: The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has about a 10 percent lead over the more radical Salafists and appears far less eager to impose a devout lifestyle or seek conflict.
But most Israelis appear to have little patience for such distinctions. There is a sense that moderate Islamists are pulling off something of a con, lulling opponents into complacency, projecting a seemingly benign piety to exploit a naive public’s hunger for clean government after years of corrupt, despotic rule. And there is a long memory of Iran, once friendly to Israel, where secular forces including the military helped depose the Shah in 1979 only to swiftly be steamrolled by fundamentalists.
“These upheavals are a bad thing for the modern world, for Israel,” said Yitzhak Sklar, a 50-year-old Jerusalem resident. “There is something in their religion that pushes them to extremism. Their religion calls for murdering anyone who opposes them.”...
Now you tell us.
"Disaster"? Noooooo .......that I cannot believe.
The "Experts" and the politicians told us that Arab Democracy and free elections would mean that the Islamists would be out of it, that the Peace Treaty would stand untouched.
"Their religion calls for murdering anyone who opposes them.”
Yes. Muslims are ordered to fight and kill those who oppose Islam or Islamic rule. "Opposition" means refusing to implement sharia fully; or criticizing Islam, Muhammad, or sharia; and so on.
"8:12 When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
8:13 That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, (for him) lo! Allah is severe in punishment."
59:2 "He it is Who hath caused those of the People of the Scripture who disbelieved to go forth from their homes unto the first exile. Ye deemed not that they would go forth, while they deemed that their strongholds would protect them from Allah. But Allah reached them from a place whereof they recked not, and cast terror in their hearts so that they ruined their houses with their own hands and the hands of the believers.* So learn a lesson, O ye who have eyes!
59:3 And if Allah had not decreed migration for them, He verily would have punished them in the world, and theirs in the Hereafter is the punishment of the Fire.
59:4 That is because they were opposed to Allah and His messenger; and whoso is opposed to Allah, (for him) verily Allah is stern in reprisal."
58:20 "Lo! those who oppose Allah and His messenger, they will be among the lowest.
58:21 Allah hath decreed: Lo! I verily shall conquer, I and My messengers. Lo! Allah is Strong, Almighty."
9:29 "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
*Incidentally, those who've read or heard Robert quote the Muslim Brotherhood's mission statement for western civilization will now recognize the Quranic origin of the phrasing in that statement (see below).
"The Muslim Brothers "must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions." -- "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Brotherhood in North America," by Mohamed Akram, May 19, 1991."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/09/muslim-brotherhood-mas-hamas-linked-cair-sponsor-muslim-family-day-at-six-flags.html
Experts here, as elsewhere, point out that political Islam comes in varying shades of green: The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has about a 10 percent lead over the more radical Salafists and appears far less eager to impose a devout lifestyle or seek conflict. …But most Israelis appear to have little patience for such distinctions. … There is a sense that moderate Islamists are pulling off something of a con… “There is something in their religion that pushes them to extremism."...
"Something of a con" from the various shades of green ROP? Hmm, wonder how that could be? “There is something in their religion that pushes them to extremism"? Really? Wonder where the source of all that concern might be? Anybody read their book?
Whether or not the medium green Muslim Bros pushes for imposing a "devout" lifestyle is only a matter of time, their dark green brethren Salafists won't waste time. Women, get your shadors ready. Christians barricade your churches. But even the light green sympathizers will join in the hate-fest against Israel. New 'interfaith dialogues' in the brave new world of modern Egypt? Forgetaboutit! The liberal opinion media spin masters had tried very hard to put a pretty face with lipstick on this, but the truth is ugly, even if covered head to toe with lies: Thy name is Tyranny. Listen to what they say, skeptically, and watch what they do, realistically, and all shall see what all this means in a short time. The Sharia advocates pushing for a Caliphate are turning impatient. They want it all now.
With only 1% of the land given to Israel, with Arabs grabbing the other 99%, it looks bad for Israel. But with 99% of the brains theirs, Arabs claiming the remaining 1%, the ending may surprise everybody. All Israel can do for now, given world opinion is so muddled about this "Arab Spring" Islamist debacle, is to build taller fences, keep out the mad-eyed-culty suiciders, take out their missile launchers, and nature take its course. "Sharia Spring" will soon show its true colors. Takes no "experts" to guess this one. And it is disturbing.
Bad Thinking Begets Bad Meat
Ding Dong! The bell has rung! The angel of Truth just struck it for all Good,
1 + 1 = 2, Moslems + confused Infidels = bad situation in the neighborhood.
Lo! Lookit the Ivy League intellectuals, never admit they're the ineffectuals!
The Jews, now awake, must axe: Are we too late, their Kosher/Halal victuals?
- the Holy Prophet APF
As a pork producer, I'm man enough to admit I've made some bad meat. Didn't beget it, per se, it just came out that way. You try to avoid it, but when it's there you just hope there are no inspectors in the county.
Setting aside the USDA, who exactly is gonna review all the ridiculous, mistaken and bad Infidel Intellectual thinking when Israel is finally destroyed? Answer: nobody. There are no inspectors working the hegemonic thought beat. Our news entertainers will feed us lotsa human interest stories about Hasidim burn victims, tearful New Yawkers with daid cousins, that kinda stuff.
But the idea that the news entertainment industry as a whole will publicly admit their mistake and rethink things, that ain't gonna happen. As a guy from the State of Minnesota Health Dept. told me, "Mr. APF, you may think having inspectors like me come around is a pain in your fat ass, but without me people would be dying of e Coli poisoning."
Maybe someone should dispatch that meat inspector to the hallowed halls of Fox News to look at the info handling processes there.
(Barak) expressed concern about the fate of the landmark 1979 Egyptian Israeli peace treaty.
Please. We all know, and Hugh has written about it countless times, that the only thing Israel got from this "deal" was that Egypt refrained from engaging in direct military confrontations with the Jewish State. Otherwise, only Egypt benefited from that treaty, by not only managing to make Israel give away (NOT back) the Sinai Peninsula for nothing in return, but also continuing to be the place where the most virulent anti-Semitic/truly mahoundian™ propaganda on the planet is produced (and which, had Egypt fulfilled its part of the deal, would have been stopped decades ago.)
... the only thing Israel got from this "deal" was that Egypt refrained from engaging in direct military confrontations with the Jewish State.
It's always how "accords" with Moslems go: the implicit threat of Moslem violence is always there, it's just part of their culture, they know it, the Infidels, know it, and let's start negotiations from there. They'll trade away some of their inherent deathly danger threat for your land and security. This process has been underway in the Philippines for some time now. Not a formula for success.
The analog would be the RINO Party, where just in the last few years we've seen how Boehner and McConnell agreed to outrageously unfavorable predicates and center the negotiating positions of the two sides from a point where's they can't win. I mean, man, what happened during that lame duck session last year went down like a rape scene from the Cell Block D shower room up at the state prison. When the smoke cleared, it turned out they got nothing but a good old fashioned reaming.
Land For Peace = Increased Danger for Security
Steamy showers, lookit how the negotiator cowers, ain't gonna be spring flowers,
It only worsens over time, working bad predicates, ongoing handoff of powers.
Lo! This ain't no disco! It's a Geezers RINO lecturing us on the Religion of Peace!
It ain't the money or the inconvenience, it's that you would our freedom fleece.
- the Holy Prophet APF
If they destroy Israel there'll be no stopping them. They really will believe Allah is on their side, and a united Ummah will embark on a blood-crazed campaign of world domination.
It is in the interests of ALL kuffar powers, including Russia and China, to ensure that WWIII is stopped before it gets started. Israel is the Sudetenland of our time.
Robert, wars are coming to the Middle East and eventually to the entire earth; terrible war one day. The prophet appears to forecast a nuclear holocaust when he wrote, "their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, and their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongue will rot in their mouth...." The nations - even this one - are turning on and gathering against Israel and Jerusalem. America is slowly turning against Israel just as the prophets foretold. Go back to the ancient prophets. There is no such thing as "progressive revelation."
APF:
"Setting aside the USDA, who exactly is gonna review all the ridiculous, mistaken and bad Infidel Intellectual thinking when Israel is finally destroyed? Answer: nobody."
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I was thinking about this very point today, APF. Those bozo talking heads will spout some multi-culti crap, and Israel will be in ruins.
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But there is another side to this - an optimistic side.
Imagine if your farm and animals (bad ones and all) were under imminent threat for 50 years. What would you do?
I know what I'd do, Pig Farmer. I'd arm up and ammo up real quick-like.
I'd also start working on the most sophisticated killing machines that I could come up with. I would teach my children the craft. I would band together with my friends and their families and come up with several plans to save ourselves.
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Israel and the Jews ain't gonna' jez roll over.
"It is in the interests of ALL kuffar powers, including Russia and China, to ensure that WWIII is stopped before it gets started. Israel is the Sudetenland of our time."
I agree with everything you say BUT WWIII has already started, it's stealth and it's asymmetrical but it is definitely WWIII, courtesy of islam.
Folks forget that Israel is also a high-tech power as well, it has its own "Silicon Valley".
Obama: "The Arab Spring is a 'sea change' in the Middle East." Yeah, a change from a sea of dictators to a sea of Irans. His statement is just what one would expect from the resident fool in the White House. He is our most pro-Muslim President since Carter.
But I'm not especially worried about Israel. It's been living in "sea" of hatred all along. Also if the Muslims are crazy enough to attack, Israeli nukes will vaporize their "sea" before you can say Allah Akbar
Obama: "The Arab Spring is a 'sea change' in the Middle East." Yeah, a change from a sea of dictators to a sea of Irans. His statement is just what one would expect from the resident fool in the White House. He is our most pro-Muslim President since Carter.
But I'm not especially worried about Israel. It's been living in "sea" of hatred all along. Also if the Muslims are crazy enough to attack, Israeli nukes will vaporize their "sea" before you can say Allah Akbar
Dvid Dowse wrote:
Israel and the Jews ain't gonna' jez roll over.
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I agree, David—*but who will stand with them*?
Just a few short years ago, I would have said the entire civilized world—Britain, and Canada, and Australia, and New Zealand, and all the countries of Europe—and America right by their side.
But now—with much of the West waffling with "political correctness", a Europe seething with antisemitism, and the hostile Barack Obama at the helm in the United States, they seem more alone than ever...