Gingrich is right in this. PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein said this in 1977:
The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.
The Palestinian nation was invented as a tool of the jihad against Israel. Instead of tiny Israel surrounded by huge and hostile Arab states, the picture suddenly changed to the powerful Israeli war machine victimizing an even tinier people.
I'm extremely surprised to see a presidential candidate affirming this. It is remarkable to see this kind of honesty and clarity from a politician on an issue that has been so thoroughly obfuscated. I'm just sorry that it was Gingrich, who has been such a trimmer and coward under fire in the past.
"Palestinians Do Not Exist, They Are Terrorists: Gingrich," from AGI, December 9 (thanks to C. Cantoni):
(AGI) Washington - The Republican White House candidate Newt Gingrich has accused Obama of taking sides with the Palestinians. The former Speaker and election front-runner also said that the Palestinians are 'an invented people.' Gingrich said that were he to be impartial between a civil law-abiding society and a group of terrorists shooting missiles every day, this would not in fact constitute being impartial but would mean favouring the terrorists. Mr Gingrich does not differentiate between the ANP and Hamas. Interviewed on Israeli TV, Gringrich said 'I believe that the Jewish people have the right to have a state,' while 'we have invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and were historically part of the Arab community. [That's why] they had a chance to go many places.'..
Oh crap! Newt just destroyed the Leftist narrative!
Indeed, "Palestinian" has an earlier connotation. That of the "Philistines". Once they left the house, the Romans took over the Holy Land once more and called it "Palestine", then the Ottoman Caliphate took over the Holy Land, it stayed that way until the (Colonialist) British Mandate of "Palestine" came into fruition.
In other words, this "Palestine" is based on ignorance of the land itself, ignorance of former possession of the land, as well as ignorance regarding the Colonial origin of "Palestine".
There is turnstyle and turnspeak. The former isn't a matter of style, it's about the fact that the reverse is usually the opposite of stated ideals or implemented policies.
The subject of Newt is always introduced with a clock-punch that he's smart, so very very smart, the smartest guy in the room. From that I concluded turnstyle, that he's a dumbass. The smarter they tell me a guy is, the dumber he must be.
This rule worked like a charm for me with Barack Hussein, but could I be wrong on Newt?
Also, an observation: you can bet that rat at this very moment Newt is being urged by his advisors to drop Moslems as a topic. And you can also bet the Jews on his team are the loudest with this advice. Not only could it cost him the election, it could cost him, and his immediate associates, their very lives in a big blowup of some kind.
Intellectual Cowardice Is No Longer Just Good Form, It's Required.
Big blowups are always surprising, never fully explained, and so disappointing,
Pieces of bone, pounds of ripped flesh, blood, see their 6th Pillar annointing,
A new visionary for an old problem, Moslems, who can't be beat. So shaddap!
No room for hate or facts in our public discourse, there's room only for crap.
- the Holy Prophet APF
Such truth-telling is way overdue... Maybe he'll start reminding the world that the an Arab state in Palestine has already existed for decades, first as the Emirate of Transjordan and, after that, as present-day Jordan.
I hope Newt is a man of his word and doesn't bend with the political wind. I could never vote for Perry because of his close relationship to Grover Norquist who is is in bed with Islamists nor could I vote for Ron Paul because he is a selfish libertarian who hates Israel.
Would be good if Gingrich becomes President. He is an intelligent person.
"I'm just sorry that it was Gingrich, who has been such a trimmer and coward under fire in the past."
Robert, I've seen some ignorant statements from him before, more as you go back further in time, but I've not seen or read anything to label as "cowardly". If you have time, can you post an example?
@ APF Newt also said today he would consider John Bolton as Sec of State. He has also called sharia "evil" several times over the past few months. Newt doesn't strike me as someone who will back down from his positions because an advisor suggests it.
Respectfully, APF, I think you've complicated a simple matter here, and the simple matter here is that Newt Gingrich "gets it" on the whole phony issue of the so-called Palestinian Arabs. Think Occam's Razor, which always serves as a wonderful antidote to overthink.
I concur with your assessment, USorThem.
Gingrich, master of discovery.
The media is really showcasing this new "knowledge," yes?
It's encouraging to see a prominent figure like Newt,tell it like it is by not pulling any punches. Although I agree with most of APF's insightful comments, I don't agree with the one posted above.
The brick and mortar language used by Newt, has propelled his poll numbers, it's appealing to voters and character consistant. Pulling punches at this stage of the game, will be picked up as PC/flip flop and will surely act negatively on his presidential aspirations.
I hope he wins the GOP nomination !
Let the record show that I agree with APF for the very first time, to my recollection.
"The smarter they tell me a guy is, the dumber he must be."
~APF
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Ditto on anointing someone "brilliant," twice in the same sentence. (You know who you are.)
This statement from Gingrich is a welcome one and a good beginning. It would be nice to see one of these candidates (even a "trimmer") repudiate the Bush-Saudi "road map" for Israel's dismemberment. When will one of the Republican candidates reject official Republican party policy aimed at the establishment of a Muslim-enemy state in Israel's heartland? Since August 2004, the Republican national party platform calls for Israel's dismemberment at the hands of the jihadists. Not even Michele Bachmann has repudiated this immoral goal. What is wrong with these men and women?
Bang on Newt! He'd make a fabulous president as far as foreign policy goes. There'd be no pandering and muslim butt kissing. Too bad he and I disagree vehemently on what can be described as religious issues. That's where I m always forced to part company with Conservatives. If he just softened his rigid views in that area he'd gain almost all the independent and undecided votes.
Clearly one of the worst inventions in human history.
Newt is right on the money here, but I'm afraid he's unelectable because he's not slick enough. The US electorate goes for style over content. Joan Peters demolished the the mythical palestinian conflict in 1984 with her seminal work From Time Immemorial. Too bad this book isn't required reading for pol-sci students, although such niceties as facts are slap out of fashion in public discourse these days.
If Mitt Romney said it, would he be slick enough?
Maybe I stand corrected:
....At a pro Isral group dinner in NYC Bachmann said that the Pentagon should prepare a war plan to handle an aggressive Iran in possession of a nuclear weapon.
She stopped short of embracing a full pre emptive strike on Iran but affirmed blockading Iranian ports, increased intelligence activity and "crushing economic sanctions".
Quote:
“The Pentagon should prepare a war plan, as a last resort, should all else fail in preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons,” she said.
She also said that if she were president the first thing she would do would be to recognize Jerusalem as the capital and move US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
She emphasized that no compromises should be made with the Palestineans.
Quote:
Bachmann said Israel should not cede any land — “not one acre, not one square foot, not one inch” — to the Palestinians in order to make peace.
Ain't I slick enough?
~Mitt Romney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8On3UiBOTdQ
Can’t you just hear the mainstream media heads exploding over the fact that the total “Palestinian” lie they’ve been foisting upon us for decades is finally seeing some exposure?
Good as it goes, Newt. Now, when is someone going to stand up and ask the Arab states to naturalize the fourth-generation descendants of An-Nakhbar?
And when will someone mention possible compensation for the Mizrahi Jews kicked out of lands where their ancestors were resident for a millennium before the first Arabs settled there?
And when will someone insist that the USA expects the newly "liberated" Arab states to respect the rights of their Christian minorities?
An invented people and an invented religion.
Islam was born between the thighs of a woman!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/06/khadijas-thighs.html
Newt's a pig, sorry for the personal attack on the man but he has little in way of redeeming quality or character. We're all flawed but to be the massively hypocritical bore that Gingrich is. It also bothers me that today he has spoken openly and directly about islam and its threat, he addressed the ones who make this insideous creep of same a thing of acceptance and if challenged your labelled a racist or fool or nazi. To bad he did not say this when he had a chance. He has none.
People who parrot the Muslim line about the Palestinians are allowing themselves to be duped because they don't understand enough to see through Islamic propaganda. The remedy is to do one's homework and get a grip on Islam, but that requires some work and intellectual curiosity, two qualities that most people lack, but which Newt has.
It all really just boils down to the Sharia requirement that Islam is the law of the land, thereby invalidating any acceptance of non-Muslim control over any territory anywhere, particularly somewhere that Muslims used to rule over and that is surrounded by Muslim states and therefore vulnerable. The fact that Israel is full of recent immigrants provides a ready-made excuse for accusing it of being an interloper which displaced an existing population, despite the fact that the early Zionists as well as Arab inhabitants were few in number and that those Jews were largely unarmed and peacefully purchased their property.
The official denial by the PA that Jews ever had a temple in Jerusalem or had historic ties to Israel betrays the real purpose of their agenda, which is total domination.
Muslims would never accept an independent kaffir state in their midst since independence raises Infidels above dhimmi status.
Gingrich could not be more correct. The word Palestine was given to the region by the Greeks who conquered the area at the time.
The word itself is derived from “Peleshet”, a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as “Philistine”. The Philistines were not Arab in anyway but Greco/Roman, they did not speak Arab. Another words the term Palestine is a Greo/Roman word.
all Newt has to now is to connect the dots between the Palestinians and Islam.
Oh, no! Politician speaks truth! What's next? Hollywood celebrities marry for life?
I ain't too blind to seeeeeeeeee!
:)
Wait for the Sunday news shows and see Newt backtrack or revise his "invented people" remark.(?)
Here's a thought: A lot of voters are too young to really remember Newt from the 1990's. He might seem refreshing to them.
@ Smredneck5 and any other interested party
The origin of the name Palestine can be found here:
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php
Here's an excerpt:
'From the fifth century BC, following the historian Herodotus, Greeks called the eastern coast of the Mediterranean “the Philistine Syria” using the Greek language form of the name. In AD 135, after putting down the Bar Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against Rome, the Emperor Hadrian wanted to blot out the name of the Roman “Provincia Judaea” and so renamed it “Provincia Syria Palaestina”, the Latin version of the Greek name and the first use of the name as an administrative unit. The name “Provincia Syria Palaestina” was later shortened to Palaestina, from which the modern, anglicized “Palestine” is derived.'
Yes ,Newt said somthing that is correct.
That is somthing, but not enough to crown him king, not just yet.
He is yst another progressive, a Globalist, not a true blood GOP, not that party really matters, just his views, what he really thinks.
Remember the bench global warming spot with Nancy, his stance on our borders, who we allow in the country?
His views will fit with the U.N. with ease.
Yes, Jewdog, I agree 100 % with your comment. Well said.
What has been bothering me for long years is: How will Israel ever get defensible borders AND peace? Because especially in Judea there are mountains, and so, if Judea is given to a Palestinian state in a peace-agreement it threathens the low-lying Israeli-coast a lot. But Hebron is a populous "Islamic" city. Can Israel annex it? Swap with some other territory, like the Galilee-triangle, as Avigdor Lieberman suggested?
And so Israel cannot just give Judea away, and Judea anyway is a real heartland of the descendants of Juda. In contrast at least Samaria and Galilee were the lands of the kingdom of the 10 tribes, not of the descendants of Juda. And in theory almost all current day Jews are descended from descendants of Juda (and Benjamin).
And so now Israel has to maintain some occupation and the Palestinians can twist this situation so as to gain sympathy and support from uninformed deluded, mostly leftist people.
And yes Palestine is indirectly named after the Philistines, as far as I know, through the Romans, then the British. I try to reconcile myself with this wrong name-giving by thinking: well, at least, the Philistines, who seem to have been bronze age Greeks, are honoured in this way. Also, it seems to me that at least the Gaza-strip is properly named Palestina, because that was where the heartland of the Philistines was situated. They had (at least) 5 cities; Gaza, Gath, Ashdod, Ashkelon + 1 other.
Newt understands something else about islam, EMP.
The United States faces an immediate, existential threat from islam, an EMP attack that could essentially kill everyone in this country tomorrow morning. That is why Iran is working on nuclear weapons, to attack the United States with an EMP weapon. They've said as much in so many word. They've already tested the rocket with which to launch the weapon. And that is why islam is not a "long term problem", but is something that must be dealt with immediately, in a drastic fashion.
See Newts YouTube video explaining the EMP threat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuyPfAZRTU
and read the book "One Second After" by William R. Forstchen with a foreword by Newt Gingrich.
http://www.amazon.com/One-Second-After-ebook/dp/B002LATV16/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323514797&sr=1-1
Finally, a major politician who gets it about islam and is willing to speak about it! How is it that we are not jumping up and down in support of this man? Check out the video that he made caled 'America at risk', which is all about the islamic threat, as well as, his speeches/comments on this subject. The only other politicians who seem to get it are Santorum, Bachmann, and Allen West. He is pushing back against the MSM, Obama's policies (including Obamacare), calling Obama the most radical president in American history, says that the border needs to be sealed. He is a fighter. We desperately need a fighter right now. I believe he is the man for the job. I think people need to drop some of their biases about him and look at him with a fresh open mind, from the perspective of the dire times we are now in. Btw, I like Bachmann and Santorum too but they don't seem to have any traction. The question is do you want Obama, Romney, or Newt. For me, it is a no brainer. Go Newt!!
The Jews are the Palestinians and the "palestinians" are the Palestinians. They're the same people. That's what genetic historical mapping shows. As does archeology and cross-referenced historical records. The only difference lies in religious traditions and cultures that developed over time, and the resultant inbreeding.
Newt Gingrich may or may not be able to win an election against Obama, but there is no way that any of the other GOP candidates could. One thing is for sure: he's the one that should be the candidate, because the debates would be absolutely brutal for Obama. Gingrich would open up a couple of dozen cans of worms and shatter political correctness if given such a platform. It would be a very exciting election filled with surprises and exploding mainstream media heads. The debates would generate gigantic ratings and loads of much needed honest public discussion that would rip through the fog and doublespeak.
"The Jews are the Palestinians and the "palestinians" are the Palestinians. They're the same people. That's what genetic historical mapping shows. As does archeology and cross-referenced historical records. The only difference lies in religious traditions and cultures that developed over time, and the resultant inbreeding...."
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We are in NO way the same people. What in the heck does genetic historical mapping have to do with this Muslim and Muslim-Arab war against the Jews? You could argue from a Biblical perspective that Arabs and Jews have a common ancestor. What does it prove? Cain and Abel were brothers. So?
Islofob IS-1
"Yes, Newt said somthing that is correct. That is somthing, but not enough to crown him king, not just yet.
He is yst another progressive, a Globalist, not a true blood GOP, not that party really matters, just his views, what he really thinks."
Two words: nailed it.
Take care,
Sag