We tried to tell you. Meanwhile, arms shipments from the U.S. to Egypt are continuing. "Muslim Brotherhood: Egypt-Israel peace treaty needs to be reviewed," from Deutsche Press Agentur, December 9:
Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood said that the country's peace treaty with Israel needs re-evaluation by the country's new parliament, in press remarks by a senior member of the group published Friday.
"A long time has passed since the Camp David accord was signed, and like the other agreements it needs to be reviewed, and this is in the hands of the parliament," said Mahmoud Hussein, the group's secretary-general.
"The brotherhood believes the treaty is of great importance, but it is not on the top of our list. There are other priorities for the time being," Hussein told the regional Asharq al-Awsat daily.
"Generally, Israel does not honor the agreement," he added.
He denied a report saying that the Muslim Brotherhood had reached an understanding with the United States and Israel on "the importance of safeguarding the peace treaty with Israel."
It is worth noting that while what is purportedly at issue here is the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty, the Camp David Accords were divided into two major sections. The first proposed a framework for peace in the Middle East, which discussed the Palestinian issue. The section that followed it was entitled "Framework for the Conclusion of a Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel."
Even if the Ikhwan does not abandon peace in one fell swoop, it is likely to attempt to move the goalposts to extract concessions, including using the latter section as a bargaining chip for demands related to the former one.
Last week, Israel expressed concern at the gains of Islamist parties in the first round of Egypt's parliamentary elections and urged any future government to uphold the 1979 peace treaty.
Islamists made big gains during the initial round of the first elections since a popular revolt this year forced former president Hosni Mubarak out of power.
The Freedom and Justice Party, the brotherhood's political wing, was in the lead with 36.5 per cent of the vote. It was followed by the hard-line Salafist party, Al-Nour, with 24 per cent.
Why oh why did nobody try to tell us that this might happen........ why?
I wonder if Obama is begging the Egyptians not to break the peace treaty, at least not until after the American presidential election.
Such discussion is irrellevant. As soon as a single member of the Muslim Brotherhood was elected into office Egypt was oficially in an open declaired war with Israel. The Sinai treaty is over. Weather anyone openly admits this is another matter.
-Hamas is in a state of declaired war with Israel.
-Both Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood officials have said publicly that Hamas is the Musilm Brotherhood.
-So the Muslim Brotherhood IS at war with Israel.
-The second a member of the Muslim Brotherhood was elected to political office in Egypt, Egypt went into a state of oepnly declaired war with Israel.
If one political group supports a war and others do not, yet there is a war going on, the country in question is at war, weather the other non participating political groupings within it agree to it or not.
There is no way to finess this without 1) Egypt doling out massive lies and 2) each member country of the UN willfully turning a blind eye and knowingly accepting those lies as truth while knowing full well they are lies.
This as become an annoying little hobby horse but every single time I present this argument there is no responce pointing out exactly why I am wrong to say this.
So someone please explain exactly why Egypt is not in open war with Israel.
If one political group supports a war and others do not, yet there is a war going on, the country in question is at war, weather the other non participating political groupings within it agree to it or not.
should read
If one political group IS ENGAGED IN a war and others do not SUPPORT IT, the country in question is at war, weather the other non participating political groupings within it agree to it or not.
The peace treaty that Israel has with Egypt is too one sided. Israel gives way to much to an enemy that doesn't care one little bit about the truth. I suspect they will either break the treaty or will attempt to get more concessions. Israel should not surrender one more inch of land and shouldn't count on US to help. Israel will have to go it alone, and she should fight anyone who tries to take any land. Jerusalem should remain Israelis otherwise it will be destroyed or cut off from any Westerners. Israel is in a tough spot, I would probably open to doors to her missile silos and be ready to use her nukes to survive. If she will send some jets to the US guys like me would gladly go to help. (I may only have one leg, but I can pull a trigger)
The treaty is not simply Egypt's to break. Part of the treaty was giving back oil-rich Egyptian territory to Egypt after Egypt had lost it in the 1973 war.
I would say Egypt is free to abrogate the treaty, but only by giving up the land it acquired. Israel was able to productively drill the land for oil; Egypt, like most Muslim countries, is unable to develop its natural resources without massive outside technology.
Anyway, the fact is, this is not a just world, and far too often, might makes right. Israel would not be able to exist without US support, and cannot openly break its relations with the US. I'm not talking about the massive foreign aid the US gives to Israel, which I'm not sure is completely necessary. I'm talking about the US running interference for Israel in the UN and other international organizations, which would boycott, isolate, and possibly blockade, Israel like they did South Africa, in a second.
Israel has done a pretty fair job of handling external hostilities, and its own substantial Muslim population. I'm not sure I would feel comfortable prescribing actions for Israel, as they have already shown themselves to be highly successful. Israeli and US interests are not completely the same, but they have to negotiate their differences. It is very much in the US interest that Israel maintain its presence and identity as an outpost of freedom and democracy. If there was a major flaw in the Ron Paul campaign, it was in viewing Israel as an oppressor country, bringing on its own problems with its Muslim neighbors, and of no especial interest to the US.
Any Israeli treaty with the MB is like a treaty with Taliban. It's properly called "Hudna" and it ain't worth the paper written on. True treaties are un-Islamic, ask anybody in the OIC.
The Freedom and Justice Party, the brotherhood's political wing, was in the lead with 36.5 per cent of the vote. It was followed by the hard-line Salafist party, Al-Nour, with 24 per cent.
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Both these groups are thoroughgoing "Islamists" whose aim is to impose Shari'ah. That means that *over 60%* of the vote has gone to hard-line Islam.
As to their breaking that treaty with Israel—which Egypt violated on a regular basis at the best of times—it is only a question of when, not if.