New York Muslim leaders try to strongarm Bloomberg into dropping anti-terror efforts by boycotting his interfaith breakfast

Bloomberg insists that the NYPD’s counter-terror actions were entirely legal. And do these Muslim leaders really think that a leader so completely in their power such as Bloomberg, errand boy for the Ground Zero Mosque, would circumvent the law to the slightest degree where they are concerned?

This is a naked attempt to intimidate the already compliant Bloomberg into dropping the last vestiges of anti-terror efforts in New York City.

“Muslims boycott Mayor Bloomberg’s interfaith breakfast,” from the BBC, December 30 (thanks to all who sent this in):

Islamic leaders in New York City have boycotted Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s annual interfaith breakfast, in protest at reports of surveillance on Muslims.

They declined their invitations to the annual meeting in a letter outlining their concerns.

The Associated Press news agency first reported in August that the city police department had tried to infiltrate Muslim neighbourhoods and mosques.

Mr Bloomberg has insisted the city’s counter-terrorism efforts are legal.

Fourteen Muslim leaders and a number of other community figures – including rabbis, a Roman Catholic nun and Protestant pastors – signed the letter boycotting the Friday breakfast, which is meant to celebrate the city’s diversity.

Rabbi Michael Weisser, however, said beforehand that he would attend the breakfast after Muslim friends urged him to use the opportunity to raise their concerns with the mayor.

Rabbi Weisser told the Associated Press he had no problem with the police department following leads, but objected to any official targeting of Muslim organisations.

“From a Jewish perspective, it reminded me of things that were going on in the 1930s in Germany,” Rabbi Weisser said.

Does Rabbi Weisser have any idea what was really going on in the 1930s in Germany? The “Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service” of April 7, 1933 barred Jews from civil service jobs. Are Muslims barred from civil service jobs in New York or anywhere in the U.S.? No. That same month, the Nazis restricted the number of Jewish students at German schools and universities. Are Muslims restricted in number at American schools and universities? They are not. Then in September 1935, the Nuremberg Laws stripped Jews of German citizenship and forbade marriage between Jews and Germans. Are Muslims able to become American citizens and marry American non-Muslims? Yes. In 1937 and 1938, Jewish doctors were forbidden to treat non-Jews, and Jewish lawyers disbarred. Are Muslims able to practice medicine and law in the U.S.? Yes, they are.

In short, Muslims are not, nor should they be, subject to restrictions that are remotely comparable to those that Jews suffered in Nazi Germany in the 1930s. Weisser’s comparison is monstrous, both for its trivialization of the suffering of Jews in Nazi Germany, and for its libelous slur against the NYPD.

“We don’t need that in America. We can’t be painting a whole group of people with the same broad brush.”….

Mr Bloomberg has previously won praise from the city’s Muslim leaders for strongly defending proposals to build an Islamic prayer and cultural centre near the former World Trade Center site.

But reports that the NYPD collected information on people who were neither accused nor suspected of wrongdoing have led to a sense of betrayal among some in the community.

According to AP, undercover officers gathered information through chatting with shop owners and patrons and playing on cricket teams, as part of a surveillance programme designed by a CIA officer.

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Comments

  1. says

    …. And who are the protestant pastors who refuse to participate in this Interfaith breakfast? Their respective congregation should kick these Judases out.

  2. says

    As with the Nazis, no matter how much you appease the Muslims, it’s never enough. Kapo Bloomberg should stop grovelling and develop some harbitude, before he gets turned into a lampshade.

  3. says

    Muslims going to boycott the “interfaith” (ahem) breakfast?

    Mmmmmm, more bacon for the rest of us,

    *****

    “We can’t be painting a whole group of people with the same broad brush.”

    Why not? Seems eminently reasonable since ALL muslims read from the same “holy” book with the same interpretations, a book which they contend is the immutable law of allah, being an identical copy of the great koran found on tablets in heaven (Surah 85:21-22). As Turkey Erdogan keeps repeating, “There is no moderate islam. Islam is islam, and that’s it.”

    *****

    “And the number 1 reason Bloomberg wants surveillance done,

    BECAUSE HE DOESN’T WANT ANOTHER 911 ON HIS WATCH!

    Willie Sutton rob banks because that’s where they kept the money. We SHOULD watch muslims because that’s where the trouble makers are. Even Bloomberg knows this,

  4. says

    Rabbi Weisser should get wiser. It reminds him of Germany in the 30’s does it? I don’t think the Jews in Europe were being spied on because they committed bombings out of their synagoges. The two should not be compared. Weisser would have probabley said to his neighbors, “Get on the train, it will be alright, we are all Germans here”

  5. says

    At CNN Blog Spot, this from author Mitchell D. Silber:

    The recent past may provide some useful insights. One of the most important findings of a forensic study of the sixteen most serious al Qaeda plots against the West since 1993 is that al Qaeda plots against the West are almost always underpinned and manned by Westerners – who travel overseas to al Qaeda or an al Qaeda ally/affiliate and then are turned around opportunistically and sent back to target the West. Whether it was the 1999 LAX Millennium Bomber (Montreal), 9/11 Pilots (Hamburg), Shoe Bombers (London), July 7 and 21 2005 London transit system bombers (Leeds and London), 2009 NYC Subway Bombers (New York) or 2009 Underwear Bomber (London), the key operatives from the plot originated in one of the great cities of the West.
    The effort by radicalized Americans to travel abroad and join up with al Qaeda affiliated terrorist groups has continued unabated since 2001. To name just a few, this group includes Bryant Neal Vinas and Adam Gadahn (al Qaeda Core), Samir Khan (AQAP), Omar Hammami, Zachary Chesser and nearly two dozen men from Minneapolis (al Shabaab), David Headley (Lashkar-e-Taiba), Abdul Hameed Shehadeh (unnamed jihadist groups in Pakistan) and Betim Kaziu (jihadist groups in either Iraq or the Balkans), to name just a few.

    This begs the question, what hot spots might men who radicalized to violence in London, the Washington DC suburbs, New York City or Toronto travel to in order to carry out their jihadist ambitions in 2012 and beyond?

  6. says

    I say, let them boycott and to hell with them!!! The mayor has a responsibility to keep all citizens safe and not to kow tow to Muslims to please them.

    Once again good riddance if they don’t attend and lets not invite them from next years onward!!

  7. says

    If Islam is as beautiful peaceful and loving as the muslim says it is, the muslim leaders should welcome police infiltration into their ranks! Perhaps even the police will convert to Islam!
    As a follower of Jesus, I welcome police officers (undercover or not) to come and learn how to love one’s neighbor and even one’s enemies and to be like Jesus to the world by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
    But I know that Islam is of the devil, and like the works of Satan, are planned in darkness, so that Islam ‘s nefarious activities must be keep from the light lest they be exposed for what they really are.

  8. says

    That letter from the muslims to bloomberg stated, “Muslims comprise no less than 10% of the city’s population.”

    10%?

    Is that right? That gotta be made up.

    Anyone have any info on this?

  9. says

    “This is a naked attempt to intimidate the already compliant Bloomberg into dropping the last vestiges of anti-terror efforts in New York City.”

    ______________________________________________________________

    Mayor Bloomberg is a Jewish traitor. He spits on the graves of the innocent three thousand murdered on 9/11. Nothing this man does surprises me. He would have betrayed his own people during the Holocaust. We have a name for that kind of treason. “Kapo.” Look what this man has already done to appease our enemies.

  10. says

    Let ’em stamp off and sulk in a corner while everyone else has a nice breakfast together.

    “Nobody loves me, everybody hates me,

    I think I’ll go and eat worms!
    
Big fat juicy ones,

    Eensie weensy squeensy ones,

    See how they wiggle and squirm!

    Down goes the first one,
    down goes the second one,
    Oh how they wiggle and squirm!


    Up comes the first one, up comes the second one,

    Oh how they wiggle and squirm!
    Bite their heads off, suck their guts out
    Throw the skins away!

    Nobody knows how fat I grow,
    
On worms three times a day!

    Nobody loves me, everybody hates me,

    I think I’ll go eat worms!
    
Big fat juicy ones,

    Eensie weensy squeensy ones,

    See how they wiggle and squirm!”

  11. says

    Apropos or nothing: Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum both told (I believe it was) CNN they would enthusiastically vote for this vile racist, Dr. Ron Paul.

    Gingrich is the only candidate thus far who said he will not vote for Paul were he the Republican nominee.

  12. says

    Can’t paint a people with a broad brush! Kill kafirs wherever they are! That’s not broad brush?

    Muslims are not compatible with civilization.

  13. says

    If Bloomberg offends Muslims, who the hell won’t offend Muslims? So sick of Muslims. They want to reshape America so that Islam can’t be criticized and for virtually all to think that Muslim terrorism is no more likely than Christian or Jewish or Buddhist terrorism. Utterly sick of Islam. Anyone of sense should be by now.

  14. says

    “Fourteen Muslim leaders and a number of other community figures – including rabbis, a Roman Catholic nun and Protestant pastors – signed the letter boycotting the Friday breakfast, which is meant to celebrate the city’s diversity.

    “Rabbi Michael Weisser, however, said beforehand that he would attend the breakfast after Muslim friends urged him to use the opportunity to raise their concerns with the mayor.

    “Rabbi Weisser told the Associated Press he had no problem with the police department following leads, but objected to any official targeting of Muslim organisations.

    “From a Jewish perspective, it reminded me of things that were going on in the 1930s in Germany,” Rabbi Weisser said.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Right It’s exactly like things that were going on in the 1930s in Germany. Remember all those Jewish suicide bombers, blowing up churches filled with Christian parishioners?

  15. says

    “In short, Muslims are not, nor should they be, subject to restrictions that are remotely comparable to those that Jews suffered in Nazi Germany in the 1930s. Weisser’s comparison is monstrous, both for its trivialization of the suffering of Jews in Nazi Germany, and for its libelous slur against the NYPD….”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Maybe not the same restrictions, but post 9/11, any Muslim-American who can be proven to be a disloyal and subversive American citizen should be deported. Otherwise, America is done in the long-run.

  16. says

    I don’t know what the Rabbis and ministers are doing at the interfaith dinners anyway.

    An interfaith event implies that there is a common ground between the attending faiths. What does Judaism or Christianity have in common with Islam? Islam’s Allah has no relationship to the god of either the Old Testament or New Testament. The figure of Jesus is completely different. The core teachings are completely different.

    Muslim organizations use the interfaith events to garner respectability. They are piggybacking on the established and accepted religious organizations. They are also using their grafted respectability to handicap law-enforcement agencies, which are simply gathering intelligence. Law enforcement agencies in the past have not been so scrupulous, and if individual Muslims were being harassed, there would be every reason to protest. But, they are not.

    My impression is that it’s the marginal non-Muslim clergy who are actively pursuing the interfaith events, just as it’s the marginal scholars who pursue gender and ethnic studies. My feeling is that the major religious leaders got quietly burned several years ago when they tried to cooperate with Muslim organizations, but they haven’t had the courage or integrity to share their true experiences.

  17. says

    O/T:
    Spare a thought for the poor bemused muslims of the Pacific island nation of Samoa (if there are any). Samoa has changed its time zone to the other side of the date line to assist trade communications with Australia, NZ and China. In order to do this they have skipped directly from Thursday to Saturday this week. This means a week without Friday prayers because there is no Friday, unless the muslims choose to become “Saturday people”.

  18. says

    Rabbi Michael Weisser is neither a traitor to his Jewish people nor to his American homeland. He is simply a man of peace who might be misguided on some issues.

    He once served as a rabbi in Nebraska, where a neo-Nazi stalked and threatened his congregation. Rabbi Weiser ended up converting the racist from his hateful ways and the nazi in question later converted to Judaism and joined Weiser’s synagogue before dying of cancer.

    Do I think Rabbi Weisser is mistaken in his approach as outlined in the above article? Yes. Do I think that his comparison of Muslims in America to Jews in Germany under the National Socialist regime is assinine? Yes!

    Rabbi Weisser might be operating under the mistaken notion that picking up a frozeen rattlesnake and cuddling itback to activity might make him feel he is expressing the innate love and sense of justice and compassion of his “pintele Yid,” but he needs to realize that most rattlesnakes do indeed have a hard bite.

  19. says

    Here are the non-Moslem signers:

    The Rev. Chloe Breyer (invitee) — Executive Director, The Interfaith Center of New York *

    Elaine Brower — National Steering Committee, World Can’t Wait

    Rabbi Feinberg — Labor Religion Coalition

    Dmitri Daniel Glinski — President & CEO, Russian – Speaking Community Council of Manhattan & the Bronx

    Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb — Shomer Shalom Network for Jewish Nonviolence at the Community of Living Traditions

    Alicia Godsberg — Executive Director Peace Action New York State *

    Naomi Paz Greenberg — New York Quarterly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) *

    Margaret Hughes — Brooklyn Congregations United

    Sally Jones — Downstate Co-Chair, Peace Action New York State *

    Rev. Susan Karlson — Minister, the Unitarian Church of Staten Island *

    Rabbi Ellen Lippman — Kolot Chayeinu/Voices of Our Lives, Brooklyn*

    Loretta Lucas — Brooklyn Congregations United

    Tom Martinez — United Church of Christ

    Robina Niaz — Executive Director Turning Point for Women & Families

    Gideon Orion Oliver — President, National Lawyers Guild – New York City Chapter

    Rosemarie Pace — Queens Interfaith Coalition, Flushing Interfaith Council

    Betsy Palmieri — Executive Director, Hudson Valley Community Coalition (invitee)

    Charlotte Phillips, M.D. — Chairperson, Brooklyn For Peace

    Annie Rawlings — M.Div. Director of Outreach and Program Administration, The Interfaith Center of New York *

    Reverend David Rommereim — Lutheran Church of Good Shepherd

    Dr. Diane Steinman

    the Rev. Charles H. Straut, Jr., DMin Consultant in Ministry

    Jeanne Theoharis — Professor of Political Science, Brooklyn College

    Rabbi Simkha Y. Weintraub, LCSW

    Rabbi Michael Weisser — Free Synagogue of Flushing

    Susan Wilcox, CSJ — A Sister of St. Joseph, Brooklyn, NY

    Pastor Khader El Yateem — Salam Arabic Lutheran Church

  20. says

    Cenus data can be very untrustworth when they ask personal question about people like what religion they are. The contution only say they must gives the names of the people living with then and they ages and where they live. Any other question you donot have to answer legality. I fill out the long 1980 cenus form which ask how big your fecca is when are finish useing the bathroom I answer as big as the planet Earth, when they ask how many women I did sex outside of marriage I answer with very marry women on planet Earth.There is most like 10% of the city population is muslim.

  21. says

    Mayor Blooming and his cadre of idiots are actually in line with President Odumbo with his Muslim dinners at the White House along with Odumbos cadre of Muslim significants forming policies of ruin for the destruction of our country.

    If Blooming was an officer in Vietnam, he would have proposed having a dinner with the Viet Cong or perhaps sought some expert advice from the likes of Jane Fonda.

    Thank God for the likes of Robert Spencer, a defender of freedom, and for all the excellent commenters at Jihad Watch who help us all focus on the truth that is the putrid odor of Islam, and the vile evil the garbage of Islam represents.

    Happy New Year to all…

  22. says

    The breakfast was held anyway, with 368 guests, including 60 Moslems.
    Which means the Moslems were rather heavily over-represented, even without the 14 dissenters.
    I wonder just how “inter-faith” it was. Were there any Hindus, Buddhists, Shintoists? Any Scientologists, Wiccans, Santarians, Voodoo practitioners, or Gaia-worshippers?

  23. says

    Hey Guys and Gals,
    This is good exposure. Any contraversial issue exposed about Islam and/or Muslims is GOOD, Hope they boycot more and more things so the public can see who they REALLY are.

  24. says

    So they boycott his breakfast because they are peeved at the counterrorism measures. Does that mean that if he renounced his dhimmi status entirely and started demanding that they obey the laws of this land and stated unequivocably that they will be henceforth cut no special deals no matter how loud they whine about “Islamophobia”, they would get their butts en masse out to JFK and fly back to the sharia-ruled hellholes of their choice?

    Don’t hold your breath. Muslims are chronic two-year-olds who know the value of a well-timed temper tantrum.

  25. says

    Robert,

    Your comments in the middle of that article are powerful enough that they should become the foundation of your own article repudiating Rabbi Wieser’s absurd claim.

  26. says

    As a (supposed) Jew, one would think that Bloomberg would have a natural fear/apprehension of moslems. Apparently, he doesn’t. That does not bode well for the city of which he is the mayor. It is his responsibility to serve and protect all of the citizens of New York City, not coddle the minor few who make a major stink when things don’t go their way. I trust that this is it for Bloomberg, he can’t buy another election. He’s making Lindsay look like a true statesman.

  27. says

    All those well meaning politically correct Americans and Europeans, who have been caving in to CAIR and similar Muslim organizations in whitewashing Islam should be compelled to read Koran and Hadith from cover to cover, and the history of Islam and Mohamed, with all its gory details.

    It is ISLAM’s supremacist ideology of hate of non-Muslims, and its promotion of apartheid (dhimmitude), misogyny, pedophilia, polygamy and murder for Allahu Akbar, which are the root cause of terrorism and conflicts in the world. Unless Muslim countries sign onto the Universal Declaration of Human Rights they should be expelled from UN and the State Deportment should refuse visas to Holocaust deniers such as Ahmedinijad, Abbas and others, who use UN to spread their delusional Jew-hatred and defamation of Israel.

    The New York lawyers need to file suit agaisnt mosques, CAIR and white-washers of Islam, such as Bloomberg and prove in court that Islam itself is incompatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and it is a HATE speech, which is against US Constitution. Sue them and thus have them to defend themselves rather then attacking our values!

  28. says

    Bloomberg has bent over backward to be tolerant of all groups in NYC. But tolerance has limits. The OWSers were trashing public spaces in lower Manhattan, so after giving ample warning, the NYPD, with Bloomberg’s approval, cleared the space. Now the Muslims are upset that Bloomberg and the NYPD in the name of public safety are monitoring possible terrorist plotters. For both actions the city’s self-appointed guardians of civil liberties and leftist political correction have spent full time excoriating Bloomberg. He also has other sins: he’s a billionaire who built his own business from scratch, and he’s Jewish. No wonder the Left and the Muslims pile on him.

  29. says

    I found it fascinating that side we have an article complaining that the intrusiveness about the NYPD in the mosques and the article about all the extra police on hand in anticipation of the New Year’s Eve celebration in NYC. When was the last time any other religion was associated with potentially lethal disruptive actions and the general public?

  30. says

    I noticed that CIA officers who infiltrated Islamic groups even learned how to play cricket. If these muslims play cricket there is some hope for them yet. Also if those CIA agents are playing this noble game perhaps this is the start of something new. If they pass it on maybe cricket not Islam will take over America!

  31. says

    ‘Sally Jones — Downstate Co-Chair, Peace Action New York State *

    Rev. Susan Karlson — Minister, the Unitarian Church of Staten Island *

    Alas, we are saddled with both of them here on Staten Island. And yes, to those who are thinking that 10% seems like too high a figure, I hate to say it, but anecdotally, it’s looking more and more like it could be true. I now have covered women on my suburban-like street here (NOT burkha’d as of yet, TG – but close.) That’s happened only within the last five years. And walks around my neighborhood glean many an “Allah cart” parked on the streets. (Qur’ans or the Arabic characters for Allah hanging from the rearview mirrors.)

    It’s coming….

  32. says

    Well, Uncle Kepha usually shies away from “interfaith” meetings–their usually some conglomerate of Unitarian Universalist and redical feminist under another name. The few times I’ve gone I’ve found myself mostly in agreement with the Muslim participants because I also believe that (1) God exists, (2) There will be a Final Judgement, (3) God has revealed Himself with masculine pronouns, and (4) Homosexuality is sinful. I say this only because these groups never touch on the really important stuff, such as who God is, or who Jesus Christ is.

  33. says

    yeah, that’s a familiar technique of a three year old child!!
    Or may be they hold their breath until their demands are met – that will be wonderful!!

  34. says

    The 10% figure byt the Mulims is much like the Taqqqiyah scam run by the Imam’s in canada.
    When the radical Muslims or CAIR-canada want to intimidate Politicians or the MSM, they pull out the big lie that there are 1’000’000 muslim in canada.
    BUT , when they want to play the victimhood-card to get Special-Rights or a Special Dispensations from the Laws such as child-abuse and Pedophilia……they pull out the % number as a minority group being oppressed.

    Both Numbers or Stats are LIES.

    I check into STATS-Can DATA fro mthe national Census and it listed the Faiths by number and % , and the Muslim population according to Citizenship or Landed-Immigrant Status( not Tourists and Student Visa’s as CAIR likes to add) showed it at 450’000 . The newest Census was estimated to be 600’000 based on a Growth-trend , but this was prior to Canada cracking down on Human Smuggling from the USA or the Scam Artist lawyers at Palestine House that aided and abetted 300 muslims to get their Bogus Citizenship while they 300 went back to Plaestine to support Hamas and local Terrorism.

    The real danger is how the older Muslim males know there are enough young useful idiots in the mosques that get indoctrined into accepting the Quranic Lies and Muhammed’s hatred for ALL non-muslims as they are painted with the same brush as enemies of islam and allah.
    When Robert or Pam tell the truth right form the Imam’s mouths, or the Quranic verses, the muslim fall-back position is to claim it’s a Conspiracy or islamophobia by the anti-muslim bigots.

    canada just had that Nutbar Imam claim that the new Veil removal rule for Citizenship oaths is “Just Like Nazi germany” , but it’s now the Muslims in canada that will be sent to death camps one day .

    Islam looks like it’s very close to having the last nail pounded into its cofin and buried in the graveyard of failed Socialsim/Communism/Fascism ideals to rot into ashes and join the History books of ignorant masses that clung on to the useless ideas from Nabobs and Snake-Oil salesmen like the Flat-Earth people, pro-Slavery , Neo- Ice age (1980), Global warming( 1990) , Climate Chaos(2010) and so on through time.

    Know islam – NO peace
    NO islam – KNOW peace

  35. says

    New York Muslim leaders try to strongarm Bloomberg into dropping anti-terror efforts by boycotting his interfaith breakfast
    ………………….

    After all, what could be more indicative of “interfaith cooperation” than *enabling Jihad terrorism*? sarc/off

    More:

    Fourteen Muslim leaders and a number of other community figures – including rabbis, a Roman Catholic nun and Protestant pastors – signed the letter boycotting the Friday breakfast, which is meant to celebrate the city’s diversity.
    ………………….

    Jihad enablers and their useful idiot dhimmis tools…

    More:

    Rabbi Michael Weisser, however, said beforehand that he would attend the breakfast after Muslim friends urged him to use the opportunity to raise their concerns with the mayor…

    “From a Jewish perspective, it reminded me of things that were going on in the 1930s in Germany,” Rabbi Weisser said.
    ………………….

    What an utter ass!

    More stupidity, alas, from another Rabbi:

    “I wouldn’t like it to happen to my house of worship,” Rabbi Robyn Fryer Bodzin said at the breakfast of the spying program first revealed by The Associated Press. “I would be hurt if it was my faith group that was in this situation or predicament. … I see it as the mayor choosing one faith-based group to target.”

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NYPD_INTELLIGENCE?SITE=MOSPL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

    Here’s what Bloomberg had to say:

    Bloomberg didn’t directly address the boycott during the event, though he did quote his father as telling him that “discrimination against anyone is discrimination against everyone.”

    He also said: “We have to keep our guard up, but if we don’t work together we’re not going to be able to have our own freedoms.”
    ………………….

    Vague…but at least he didn’t totally cave”a bit of a rarity from Bloomberg…

    More:

    The mayor’s comments were a disappointment for Hussein Rashid, an Islamic studies professor at Hofstra University who had hoped that Bloomberg would speak about the Muslim community’s concerns. The mayor won the admiration of many Muslims when he spoke out last year in support of an Islamic cultural center and mosque planned near ground zero.

    Hussein, who wore a blazer over a T-shirt reading “I am not a terrorist”…
    ………………….

    How witty and “transgressive”!

    It seems, though, that Hussein would find himself unable to make the same claim for all too many of his coreligionists…

    Franklin Amman wrote:

    That letter from the muslims to bloomberg stated, “Muslims comprise no less than 10% of the city’s population.”

    10%?

    Is that right? That gotta be made up.

    Anyone have any info on this?
    ………………….

    It may indeed be that bad, Franklin.

    There is no exact count, but this study seems cautious, objective, and without an ax to grind:

    http://www.nycreligion.info/?p=598

    They estimate 600,000 Muslims in a city of just over eight million.

    My own city”Oakland, California”is an estimated 10% Muslim. San Francisco is nowhere near that bad…

    Still, it seems Muslims are deliberately esconcing themselves in our great cities.

    And if the situation is bad in the United States, it is *nothing* compared to the great cities of Europe such as London, Paris, and Rotterdam…

  36. says

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  37. says

    Thanks, dda, for helping recalling for me a long-lost piece of my past. We sang that little ditty at Catholic summer camp in Pennsylvania when I was twelve years old or thereabouts. Actually, of course, though this particular song is steeped in self-pity, it’s done in fun. Muslims are steeped in self-pity and they actually think they deserve to be. It’s the difference between harmless adolescent time and stupidly serious adult time. Muslims are masters of stupidly serious adult time. No group better.

  38. says

    If you don’t mind my summing up what you said, RonaldB, people make a big mistake when they assume that Islam is just another religion, let alone one in the Abrahamic tradition.

  39. says

    That’s a good point, Tom Billesley.

    They probably have a mob armed with iron rods and steel cables trying to hunt down the greasey islamophobe responsible for this.

    God Bless America!

  40. says

    Margaritha wrote:

    No.Muslims are NOT 10% of New York-they are only 4.7 %or something. Just refer to the above site.
    ……………………………

    Margaritha, the site you refer to cites 4.7% as the statistic for the *whole of New York State*.

    Franklin was asking about the assertion that *New York City* was 10% Muslim. Generally, more Muslims live in urban areas than in rural ares.

    I don’t think it is impossible that New York City is 10% Muslims”although I find the idea profoundly disturbing.

    But I find the idea that New York State is 4.7% Muslim to be a gross inflation of figures.

    Not only is “Islam 101” a Muslim supremacist site, but the article you cite *dates from 1992*. The idea that Muslims constituted this large a percentage of the population *twenty years ago* is almost certainly Islamic propaganda.

  41. says

    “DefenderofIslam” wrote:

    Cenus data can be very untrustworth when they ask personal question about people like what religion they are. The contution only say they must gives the names of the people living with then and they ages and where they live. Any other question you donot have to answer legality. I fill out the long 1980 cenus form which ask how big your fecca is when are finish useing the bathroom I answer as big as the planet Earth, when they ask how many women I did sex outside of marriage I answer with very marry women on planet Earth.
    ………………………..

    More crap”or perhaps I should say “fecca” from DoI. I worked for the Census in 1990. They *do not* ask questions about religion, nor any of the nonsense from DoI’s post (unless this is his attempt at “humor”).

    http://www.census.gov/prod/www/religion.htm

    Any estimates of religious population is garnered from public opinion polls and estimates based on information provided by religious institutions such as mosques.

  42. says

    “I fill out the long 1980 cenus form which ask how big your fecca is when are finish useing the bathroom I answer as big as the planet Earth, when they ask how many women I did sex outside of marriage I answer with very marry women on planet Earth.”
    DOI you’re a comedian! if you were telling the truth (and you’re not) then you would be considered a very bad Muslim!
    “The fornicator and the fornicatrix, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment proscribed by God, if you believe in God and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment”. (Qur’an 24: 2)

    But of course you are a liar, so you are still a very bad Muslim: “The liar is one of the most hated people by Allah and he will not look at them or talk to them on the day of judgement. Also the Prophet(sa) told us that lying is a characteristic of Hypocrisy:

    “There are 3 signs of the hypocrit and one of them is that he lies..” [Bukhari and Muslim]

    Your moon god Allah is going to be mad at you either way, no 72 virgins for you! I think you should flog yourself 100 times regardless.

  43. says

    You never work at the cenus depart. First I than talking about the 1980 long cenus form not short form. The racist who run BareNakeIslam alway saying he have cenus proof that there only 2 million muslim in america. In the 1980 cenus some social scienfic want answer like how many america have done extras marrige sex and with how many woman with than 1000 dollar fine for refuseing to answer these question. They want the justive department to arrest me for prejury the justice department that wasnot prejury as those question where legality opional questions.

  44. says

    That neo-Nazi conversion story is amazing.

    But for the Rabbi to compare this time to the 1930s for Muslims is, as you say, asinine. There is no excuse for the Rabbi to make this kind of mistake.

    The only people this time resembles the 1930s for is the Jews…and now, in Egypt and other Muslim lands, the Christians.

  45. says

    One out of very 10 household got the ong form cenus in 1980’s.If you are going to lie do it in just away that to bring prejury charge against you they will look like idiot and fool. I was christian back then. The cenus couldnot be use to give bussienes and scienceist data for they study. Only in cival court in than dirsove hearing can the judge ask if you have extamarriage sexual acts.

  46. says

    “DefenderofIslam” wrote:

    You never work at the cenus depart.
    …………………………..

    *What* do you base this on? I’ve mentioned before that I worked for the Census during the 2000 count”most notably re JW, I covered some properties owned by Your Black Muslim Bakery. But I also covered hundreds and hundreds of other residences”as well as properties that turned out to be non-residences”throughout Oakland.

    I’ve never been a career civil servant. But like most artists, I can always do with some supplemental income’so, like hundreds of thousands of other Americans every ten years, I worked for the Census as an “Enumerator””a person who does the “head counts”. Within a week or two I was a supervisor”but so was almost anyone else who appeared trustworthy, stuck with it past the first paycheck, and had an interest.

    You find young people for whom working for the Census is a first job, housewives looking for a flexible position, under-employed people looking for additional income, retirees who have gotten bored but who don’t want to return to a regular 40-hour-a-week career, public employees who have been temporarily “lent” to the Census from other agencies, career Census employees who work there on a regular basis”and many others, as well. I worked with a pretty eclectic bunch.

    Forms are initially mailed out. But quite a few people don’t respond”forms get misplaced, lost in a move, or people decide not to send them in. In addition, the Census revisits a number of residences where forms were sent in, to check on the statistical accuracy of the data.

    More:

    First I than talking about the 1980 long cenus form not short form.
    …………………………..

    I don’t remember the exact breakdown at this point, but about every one in ten households gets the long form. It’s entirely random. Every so often someone will protest, and assert that all they have to do legally is convey how many people live there, their ages, etc. This is true. I would then administer the short form, and the long form would be shuffled over to another household (a higher-ranking supervisor than myself would decide this).

    More:

    The racist who run BareNakeIslam alway saying he have cenus proof that there only 2 million muslim in america.
    …………………………..

    The Census hasn’t asked questions about religion since, if I recall correctly, the *1930s*. Even then, one could legally decline to answer. I am only somewhat familiar with Bare Naked Islam”it is possible that the site’s owner claimed he has *statistical* proof”which is arguable. Certainly, *no one* has Census proof of such a thing, because it does not exist.

    More:

    In the 1980 cenus some social scienfic want answer like how many america have done extras marrige sex and with how many woman with than 1000 dollar fine for refuseing to answer these question. They want the justive department to arrest me for prejury the justice department that wasnot prejury as those question where legality opional questions.
    …………………………..

    **What utter crap**. The Census does not ask such questions. And, as I noted, *no one* is prosecuted or fined for declining to fill out the long form, in any case.

    It is rare, in fact, for *anyone* to be prosecuted for refusing to answer even the most basic questions”this usually happens only in cases where someone makes a high-profile and public point of their refusal.

    What usually happens in cases where someone simply refuses to either mail in the form or answer an enumerator’s questions is pretty low-tech”we *just asked their neighbors*. Even in this case, it is rare that the issue comes up due to some principled protest.

    A few of these cases I dealt with involved an Alzheimer’s patient whose caretaker was not always home; a person who spoke a rare language”probably Amharic or Oromo, since he was likely Ethiopian”more common languages such as Spanish and Chinese are covered by bilingual Census employees; a fellow who worked odd hours, and some probable illegal aliens who did not accept my assurances that I didn’t work for the INS.

    So”you are either lying outright, or you are so addled that you confused whatever bizarre survey you filled out with a Census form. In your case, God only knows.

  47. says

    Hi ebonystone –

    Thnx for the list of signatories.

    Here are the numbers: 9 Protestant; 7 Jewish; 10 Other (leftist kumbaya hardliners); and one Catholic nun.

  48. says

    Yes, I following Islam in the last three years, and like a good Samaritan, I tried to find some acceptable explanation, but in vain.
    Now I am getting to the conclusion that there is NO other word to summarize islam and muslims then that they are simply CRAZES(!!!) in every sense of the word.

  49. says

    Kepha wrote:

    Well, Uncle Kepha usually shies away from “interfaith” meetings–their usually some conglomerate of Unitarian Universalist and redical feminist under another name. The few times I’ve gone I’ve found myself mostly in agreement with the Muslim participants…
    ………………………….

    Well, that’s understandable, Kepha. But they also want to kill you; kidnap, rape, and forcibly convert your daughters; and impose dhimmitude on your fellow Christians.

    Surely this is an issue, as well?