Alabama: Misunderstander of Islam tries to draw attention to Islam by shooting at cops

LIH.jpgIbarra-Hernandez: Yet another Misunderstander


He did not, however, succeed in gaining the space that is guaranteed in Paradise for those who "kill and are killed" for Allah (Qur'an 9:111).

The funny thing about this story is that he was trying to draw attention to Islam by shooting at policemen, but he failed. He won't draw any attention to Islam at all from the people who should be noting such incidents and devising strategies to prevent them. He succeeded in drawing attention to himself, but as he is prosecuted, the motive he stated for his actions will almost certainly be ignored and downplayed, and even if it isn't, its implications will not be explored.

"Man in custody after shootout with police in Alabama City," by Lisa Rogers for the Gadsden Times, January 9 (thanks to D. C. Watson):

A man thought to be an Islamic extremist is believed to have shot the windows out of at least two businesses in Alabama City early Sunday to lure police officers to the area and engage them in a shootout.

Luis Ibarra-Hernandez, 21, from Albertville, was charged today with attempted murder, according to a news release from the Gadsden Police Department.

“After the man was taken into custody, he reported that he knew he must do something extreme to draw attention to Islam and himself, so he planned to shoot police officers,” Gadsden Police Capt. Regina May said.

Gadsden police officers responded to alarm calls for glass breakage after doors were shot out about 1:30 a.m. Sunday at AutoZone and Rainbow Food Mart near the intersection of 27th Street and West Meighan Boulevard.

While investigating the broken doors and determining they were shot out, officers heard gunfire and spotted a man near the old CVS building.

The man knew he had been seen and ran toward the Cathedral of Praise Church parking lot, then started firing rounds at the officers.

The man continued to run through several blocks and at one point was in the Dwight Baptist Church parking lot. Shots were fired over about six blocks, and at least eight officers were shot at, before officers talked the man into dropping his weapon.

May said Officer Mitchell James, a trained crisis negotiator, was working off-duty security at another job at the time and heard the radio traffic. He went to the scene and using his patrol car as cover, moved in close enough to take over negotiations started by another officer.

During the fray, the man told officers he wanted to talk about religion and he apparently had displayed some signs at a nearby church.

He was taken into custody between 3 a.m. and 3:30 a.m. after officers pinned him down behind some trees near 30th Street and Western Avenue. No injuries were reported.

“Gadsden officers showed tremendous discipline by avoiding crossfires, and considering backdrops,” Gadsden Police Sgt. Tom Bradley said....

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Ain't Islam beautiful!!It's followers have a single minded aim of looting, raping and killing non-Muslims. Anybody can be proud of such achievement and they are!! Even animal kingdom behave more ethically then these monsters!

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We need a web-site data base documenting the ever-growing list of all these "sudden Jihad syndrome" cases...a link we can site every time an apologist makes the "tiny minority pf extremists" argument. It would go back and include the LAX bomber, the LAX El-Al shooter, the Empire State-building shooter, and cover the ensuing decade...Nidal Hassan, all the bomb-plots, etc.

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UK - 'Gay people should get the death penalty’: Five Muslim men on trial for stirring up hatred after 'handing out homophobic leaflets near mosque'

One leaflet called The Death Penalty? showed image of mannequin hanging from a noose and said buggery led to hell, court hears

Jury told the 'horrible' leaflets were designed to stir up 'hatred and hostility against homosexual people'

Prosecution of the group is first of its kind since new laws were passed

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084684/Gay-people-death-penalty--Five-Muslim-men-trial-stirring-hatred-allegations-handed-homophobic-leaflets-near-mosque.html#ixzz1j55H82v6

I think someone should develop the ABCs of jihad them. Islam in a nutshell...

This clown's gonna end up as some tough guy's 'bitch' in prison. Then he'll regret the day he ever heard the word Islam!

Hey, this is just down the road from my old digs at Fort McClellan. Knowing the folks down there, this douche bag woulda had his karma leveled any way you look at it.

From another angle, we're going to get more and more of these type of shooters. We need to be ready and able to help cops who are out-gunned, because it will happen.

if I may disagree with you, prison is wehre they become even more radicalized.
M

“After the man was taken into custody, he reported that he knew he must do something extreme to draw attention to Islam and himself, so he planned to shoot police officers,” Gadsden Police Capt. Regina May said.
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Isn't this really the way Islam so often draws attention to itself?

More:

Gadsden police officers responded to alarm calls for glass breakage after doors were shot out about 1:30 a.m. Sunday at AutoZone and Rainbow Food Mart near the intersection of 27th Street and West Meighan Boulevard.
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Jihad against auto parts stores and markets? Or was this entirely random?

More:

The man knew he had been seen and ran toward the Cathedral of Praise Church parking lot, then started firing rounds at the officers.

The man continued to run through several blocks and at one point was in the Dwight Baptist Church parking lot...
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Was it just ironic happenstance that this Jihadist wound up at these churches, or was he hoping to make some sort of "statement"? Or, perhaps, he was just hoping to take out some random clergy or parishioners?

More:

During the fray, the man told officers he wanted to talk about religion and he apparently had displayed some signs at a nearby church.
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Sounds like the former. What—he couldn't just "draw attention to Islam" through interfaith Taqiyya? I guess that just wasn't the kind of "attention" he was looking for...

He could have been a catholic. So glad he wasn't.

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UK - Generation of young Muslims ending up in jail

Muslims account for three per cent of the UK population, but 12.6 per cent of prison inmates

Over the past year the Muslim prison population has reached 10,600, according to the Times, and accounts for 12.6 per cent of all prisoners - a huge over representation considering that just three per cent of the UK is Muslim.

The rise over the past 20 years has been phenomenal with a jump from 1,957 inmates in 1991.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084722/Generation-young-Muslims-ending-jail-old-fashioned-way-treated-mosques-family-breakdown.html#ixzz1j5PVwHL8

"...prison is wehre they become even more radicalized..."

What a strange concern...
Really, who cares how radicalized the nitwit may become as long as he is kept behind the bars for the next 40 years? (OK, 60 then). Where is the problem?

allah must be very disappointed ..so no raisins for this guy, only time behind bars where he can only dream of a better life under islam / sarc.

more radicalized? ..look at him, he's going to get his ass kicked while in prison.

Thomas H wrote, replying to miriam rove:

...prison is wehre they become even more radicalized..."

What a strange concern...
Really, who cares how radicalized the nitwit may become as long as he is kept behind the bars for the next 40 years? (OK, 60 then). Where is the problem?
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I don't believe this is a strange concern, Thomas. While this particular Jihadist may—in effect—be going away for life, this is hardly true of all Muslims serving time.

Nor is it true of all the non-Muslims who might be drawn to this vile creed while in prison.

Ibarra-Hernandez—I wonder what his Muslim name is?—wanted to "draw attention to Islam". I doubt he will stop when he is incarcerated.

In fact, "Prison Da'wa" has become a huge issue throughout the West—and it is high time it was addressed.

Many want to ignore it, though—or even, God help us, enable it in a misguided belief that a prisoner's finding religion—*any* religion—will tend to make him more law-abiding.

But this is madness—Islam is a violent creed that actually encourages many criminals—especially in crimes against Infidels. I'm with miriam here.

If a "trained crisis negotiator" had not been on hand, I guess Ibarra would be dead. I don't know how police are trained in Alabama City, but your chances of surviving while firing or aiming a gun at police have got to be pretty darn low. The dude is lucky.

Actually, maybe he's unlucky. He might be better off dead than where he'll be sent now.

His cell mate Bubba will protect him from the others, but who will protect him from Bubba?...

...lol, exactly! :)

There seems to be an increase lately in people misunderstanding Islam. Did none of his co-religionists tell him it's The Religion of Peace? How could he get it so wrong? It would have saved him the hassle...

I am not sure i understand you.

If you have a problem with sending the would be murderers to prison because it may radicalize them then I expect you to suggest a better solution. Have any?

Another thing is I, perhaps naively, have difficulty conceiving greater degree of radicalization than a desire to murder. If you feel there is a "next step" of radicalization would you care to define it?

he may not be problem staying there the rest of his life. but others they radicalize who are going to be set free because they did thier time.
M

Keep them isolated from "others". Problem solved.

He was shooting at cops, trying to KILL them in order to start a discussion about the benefits and value of his "religion." That kind of chat starts at a library.

I'm a trained hostage negotiator and I'd have negotiated that dirt-bag right into somebody's cross-hairs in a heart-beat.

Fuck this nice-guy shit.

I prefer the violent Muslims. They bring clarity to Islam's teachings. It's the non-violent Muslims, you know, the ones who are rather lazy about living out their creed, who are, in the final analysis, the greater problem. They act as a soporific to the West at large.

Alice, here's a brilliant little flyer putting jihad in a nutshell: Three Stages of Jihad.

Here's an excellent short video by the same guy: Three Stages of Jihad (and don't miss addendum at the end of the video).

Goodness, **another** one for my 'dangerous convert' e-file collection.

I wonder what this guy's new Muslim name is?

I wonder where and when he said the Shahada...and who were the witnesses (I understand that there usually have to be witnesses)?

Where is the nearest mosque?

Has he been hanging around Muslim websites and getting sucked into the da'wa there, or has he met actual live Muslims face-to-face and been lured into the Mob and Gang Membership that way?

So many questions...

Did everyone notice this bit - 'he apparently had displayed some signs at a nearby church'.

I would like to know a lot more about that. *Did* he do so? And how did he do it? *What* signs? The 'Discovering Islam' posters? Things he'd done himself, or readymade da'wa flyers he'd been given, or downloaded and printed off, or something? The journalists and the cops should have a talk to the folks at that church and find out the details.

Because if he didn't make those 'signs' himself then where he got them from may lead back to the Mohammedan Gang Recruitment Agency that sucked him in.

It's the non-violent Muslims, you know, the ones who are rather lazy about living out their creed, who are, in the final analysis, the greater problem."

Absolutely, dear Wellington.
The rules of engagement with violent ones are (still) very clear; do onto them what they are doing onto you, preferably before.

But it is the, so called, non-violent moslems that thrive and multiply creating the ever growing environment which provides both the cover and the breeding ground for the violent ones.

Keep them isolated from "others". Problem solved.

That is the solution, but why don't the prison officials do it?

A long time ago, penal institutions were just that...Everyone was free except convicted people in prison...In those days, to be a prisoner meant your only two rights were, to keep your mouth shut and do as you are told...But somewhere along the line someone left the door open, and social workers, lawyers, social engineers, and religious saviors rushed in...They decided prisoners needed more rights...One of those was freedom to practice their religion...The correctional officer is not allowed to prohibit worship and study, he is obligated to enable it...This includes Islam and incarcerated Mahoundians...
The officer is also not allowed to listen in on what is being said between devotee's...They know recruiting is going on, but they are powerless to stop it...If all the recruited were going to stay in that hotel for life, there would not be a problem, but most of them are going to get out, and they are going to bring Allah and his causes with them...As long as prisons must bow to social workers and courts, this is not going to change...

Another wonderful fruit of the Silly 'Sixties and Sillier 'Seventies. Those were the days when a certain species of African-American convict wrote all about the "redemption" and "dignity" found in Islam. Malcolm X was perhaps the star of the dog and pony show, and he gained an aura of martyrdom when the NOI people whacked him (with many suspecting that Elijah Muhammad and Louie Farrakhan had a hand in it). Perhaps it kept some of those guys from the petty stuff like shoplifting, and certainly making bean pies beats getting drunk and disorderly, but it is all the more clear that in this day and age, Islam encouraged gross crime, and has a ready pool of prison recruits in men whose propensity to armed violence and abuse of women (I'm actually against this, believe it or not, despite my dislike of the feminist movement) will not be challenged by their new creed.

As for ibarra-Hernandez, I just hope that in the slammer, he'll run into a Christian chaplain who'll pull now punches and confront him with the stark differences between the Muhammad of the Qur'an and Jesus, God Incarnate, in the Scriptures.

"If you have a problem with sending the would be murderers to prison because it may radicalize them then I expect you to suggest a better solution. Have any?"

Yup, take no prisoners!

Double tap. Cheaper than prison. No chance radicalization.

Sorry, but GPD has nothing of which to be proud in this instance. This is just another example of cops having been trained down to the level of armed, mobile counselor.

They are charged with protecting life first. Rather than do that by stopping someone who was walking armed and dangerous through a neighborhood with the ability to start shooting into many houses at any moment, they played patty-cake, risking the lives of those they are sworn to protect so they wouldn't have to smoke some dirt-bag who had it comin'.

Shame on these guys.

Thomas H wrote:

I am not sure i understand you.

If you have a problem with sending the would be murderers to prison because it may radicalize them then I expect you to suggest a better solution. Have any?
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I'm sorry, Thomas—I guess my comments *weren't* sufficiently clear.

In *no way* was I suggesting that this vile Jihadist *not* be sent to prison. I'd like to see him up for life. And if he had actually shot a police officer, I'd like to see him get the death penalty if he was eligible.

More:

Another thing is I, perhaps naively, have difficulty conceiving greater degree of radicalization than a desire to murder. If you feel there is a "next step" of radicalization would you care to define it?
..................................

Again, I was in no way suggesting that it's possible to become further "radicalized" when you've gone on a shooting spree of markets and churches, then tried to murder the responding officers.

But Ibarra-Hernandez—whatever his Muslim name is—will possibly come in contact with Muslims in prison for garden-variety crimes who will be all too willing to listen to the preaching of violent Jihad.

He will also—*certainly*—come in contact with large numbers of non-Muslims prisoners—many of whom may be open to "reverting" to a creed that validates many of the crimes they have committed to begin with.

In addition, he may come in contact with inmates who are either lonely and vulnerable to the false promise of "brotherhood" in Islam, or who are physically or psychically vulnerable to bullying from Muslims.

*This last* is becoming especially common in British prisons, where many of the smaller or less violent prisoners are bullied into saying the Shehada.

So—what do I think should be done?

Firstly, I believe—*at the very least*—that prison Imams be thoroughly vetted, and fired (and, ideally, prosecuted) at the first sign of preaching violent Jihad.

It would be even better if Islam were not allowed in the prisons at all, but that would be a hard sell in the present politically correct environment.

Similarly, I believe that Muslims—like gang members and those with a history of violence in prison—should effectively be "on probation" when it comes to being part of the general prison population.

At the first sign of preaching violent Jihad or coercing Infidel inmates they should be isolated—first with their fellow problem Muslim prisoners.

And if they persist, they should be well and truly isolated—in solitary—until they show they are fit to rejoin the common population. If they do not do this, they should be isolated for the full length of their prison terms—even if they are serving life.

That we find Muslims regularly coming out of Western prisons a bigger threat than when they entered is madness—and something we should be doing everything possible to stop.

The perp looks Filipino to me. I wonder if he is; not that it makes any difference, but it would be interesting to know if he is an immigrant who brought his Islam with him, or "learned it" here in the states.

The perp looks Filipino to me. I wonder if he is; not that it makes any difference, but it would be interesting to know if he is an immigrant who brought his Islam with him, or "learned it" here in the states.

Note negotiator's facebook comments here:

http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/20120109/NEWS/120109840/1017/NEWS?Title=Man-in-custody-after-shootout-with-police-in-Alabama-City-

Also, perp allegedly has gotten some girl pregnant.

Cop discounts the Islam as any sort of connection. Thinks the guy is slime, of course, but doesn't really get it.

What if the day comes when every half radical Muslim in the west all go jihad at the same time, on a pre-agreed date & time co-ordinated by some Bin Laden type. Then the west will be in trouble, & all the liberals will say "we didn't know, this is new to us, how did this happen?".

cops having been trained down to the level of armed, mobile counselor.

That's a fact...I listen to the city/county scanner, and about two thirds of what they get called to do is counsel someone about something...I do give them credit though for being right on top of the bad guys...They arrest a lot of people with tattoo's on their necks...

Can't find the comment section wherein I might discover what the "negotiator" had to say. And I couldn't care less. No professional negotiator, let alone a police officer, would post comments in public about a negotiation a/o arrest pending charges a/o trial. So, I doubt the commenter is actually the cop who talked Luis out of his gun.

The POLICE issued a statement after the arrest saying Luis had claimed to be interested in chatting about Islam. It wasn't the press picking up on some speculation they heard swirling around Gadsden.

Cheers.

I am afraid we are talking at cross purposes.

I observe that there is no alternative to sending would-be murderers to prison while you counter with enumerating the ways the prisons are not the perfect solution. While it is not difficult to see the correctness of your opinion one wonders what makes it a rejoinder of mine.

Thomas H wrote:

I am afraid we are talking at cross purposes.

I observe that there is no alternative to sending would-be murderers to prison while you counter with enumerating the ways the prisons are not the perfect solution.
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I'm sorry, Thomas—I just can't see how I can be any clearer.

I believe Luis Ibarra-Hernandez—whatever his Muslim name is—*belongs in prison*.

No two ways about it—I believe this vile Jihadist should **rot in prison**.

Boo! ...I bet he's afraid of his own shadow.

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