Child suicide bombers: "They told us the bombs would not kill us, only the Americans would die and you can come back to us"

The intrepid mujahedin, showing how manly they are by outsourcing suicide bombings to children. "Afghan boy suicide bombers tell how they are brainwashed into believing they will survive," by Ben Farmer for the Telegraph, January 13:

The mission was as simple as touching two wires together, the little boy was promised. The resulting blast would obliterate the American infidels – but God would spare him from the flame and shrapnel. Abdul Samat would be unharmed and free to run back to the men who had fitted his bomb vest.
Blindfolded and rigged with his explosive payload, the boy, who was about 13, was driven to his target in the Afghan city of Kandahar, after being plucked from the streets of Quetta in neighbouring Pakistan. Minutes before he was due to execute the attack, however, Abdul realised the lies of his recruiters seeking to turn him into a human bomb.
"When I opened my eyes, I saw it was a very black thing they wanted me to do," he later recalled.
"I began to cry and shout. People came out of their houses and asked what was wrong. I showed them I had something in my vest. Then they were scared too and called the police who took the bombs off me."
Afghan security officials say that Abdul's story is not unusual. In the past year, insurgents have used a wave of child suicide bombers, some as young as 10, on the ruthless assumption that small boys can pass through checkpoints and security cordons more easily than men.
A senior Afghan intelligence official estimated that more than 100 had been intercepted in the past 12 months, including 20 from the Kandahar area in the south. The insurgents seek to exploit the innocence of their recruits and turn it into a weapon.

What they really want is to place NATO forces in a situation where they have to decide between dying in a bombing and using force to stop the bomber. The propaganda mill would then say that NATO forces fired on a child.

The largely illiterate boys are fed a diet of anti-Western and anti-Afghan government propaganda until they are prepared to kill, he said. But the boys are also assured that they will miraculously survive the devastation they cause.
"The worst part is that these children don't think that they are killing themselves," said the official. "They are often given an amulet containing Koranic verses. Mullahs tell them, 'When this explodes you will survive and God will help you survive the fire. Only the infidels will be killed, you will be saved and your parents will go to paradise'."
Throughout the war against the Soviet invaders in the 1980s, and the civil strife that followed, Afghan fighters of all factions rejected suicide attacks as cowardly and unIslamic.
The tactic was adopted only after 2001, learned from Arab jihadists who had used it to devastating effect in Iraq.
The first Afghan suicide bomber is believed to have been a man called Hafez Abdallah, who in 2004 threw himself on a military Jeep and detonated mortar bombs strapped to his body. Suicide bombs hidden in vehicles or sewn into vests have since been widely employed.
The Taliban denies using children as bombers, pointing out that its battlefield code forbids any military use of pre-pubescent boys. One Taliban facilitator from northern Afghanistan told The Daily Telegraph: "All our bombers are men and they are all volunteers. We never use boys."
But Nato and Afghan security officials said the tactic has been widely adopted. Child bombers had been used by the Haqqani network, an insurgent group aligned to the Taliban. [...]

And Pakistani intelligence.

Gul Khan, who looks no older than 10, said his father had insisted he go to a madrassa in Pakistan run by a man called Maulawi Sher Jan.
"Each day they were preaching that we would tie bombs on to our bodies and attack foreigners in Afghanistan," he said after escaping and being arrested on the border.
"They told us the bombs would not kill us, only the Americans would die and you can come back to us."
Many of the captured boys have been pardoned, but others remain in Afghanistan's child jails. Once in custody, they often retract their televised confessions, justice officials in Kandahar said.
Three convicted child suicide bombers, seen by The Daily Telegraph, all said their confessions had been false and they were wrongly convicted. Haji Abdul Haq, the juvenile prosecutor for Kandahar, denied pressure had been placed on them and said they were often caught wearing bomb vests. "They confess at first, but when their families reach them, they change their minds," he said.
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Like "Adolf Nazi" did it at the end of WW2

He sent 12 year young boys to the front,
although he knew the war was lost

http://newstime.co.nz/video-dear-mr-taliban.html

Video: Dear Mr Taliban! (Over 18 only!) – Suicide Bombing (Martyrdom) is essential in Islam


Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 72
‘Whoever amongst us is killed (as a martyr) will go to Paradise’

And we get our panties in a bunch when a few marines piss on some dead taliban.

Sickening. This is the product of a culture with no regard for human life.

A former Ranger I knew told me of an Iraqi survivor he had met in Texas a decade after the Gulf War. Prior to commencement of the American bombing campaign, the upper echelon officers passed out keys to the soldiers, telling them that "These keys will be your entry keys to Paradise." This Iraqi soldier was an educated man who read English, and noticed that on the key's other side was inscribed "Made in Japan," and he knew the score. He escaped and surrendered to Coalition forces.

Fact: Hitler told Albert Speer that, since the Germans had proven themselves "weak" they "deserve to be exterminated."

Islamic Jihadism and National Socialism are flip sides of the same demented coin.

The Coward Prophet of Allah used to hide behind the army unit, he used to send his gullible followers to their death and when surrounded by his enemies, the Brave Muhammad used to play dead!
What else can we expect from his Coward followers?
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/03/muhammad-coward.html

Please Mr Mufti explain why Islam is not the doctrine of evil.

Well... according to Islamic theology this is technically true. That those who "die in the Cause of Allah" are "living". (cf. Qur'an 3:169)

"Hey, kid, we're all muslims here. Would we lie to you?"

Has anyone noticed that:

1. The leaders NEVER become suicide bombers.
2. The children and grandchildren of the leaders NEVER become suicide bombers.
3. Could it be that there is no Paradise and no 72 virgins for them?

These kids need to be kept far away from their families and given a chance to grow up properly.

Swell people these Mahoundians...Pious too...

The only thing that should still surprise people of sense and knowledge is that they can still be surprised by anything that the Islamic world spawns.

The world is better off without anyone stupid enough to believe God would protect them from their own suicide bomb, regardless of whether it's a child or adult.

Muslims are instructed from birth to respect only that which is Islamic.

When Muslims claim to ‘permanently’ respect that which is non-Islamic - it is always only a con, a temporary ruse.

Islam forces Muslims to become professional liars and to live and die for Muhammad’s sick cult of Islam…

Frankly, I believe in showing respect for the dead.

However, if they ever capture the guy instructing these child homicide bombers, I hope they drown him in liquified pig manure.

There certainly is no doubt Islams leaders lie to their people.

I wish, Saleem, all non-Muslims knew as much about Islam as you do. If so, Islam would meet its deserved death, once and for all, much sooner rather than later.

I hope, my friend, you are doing well this New Year. Not sure how much into the new year one can go and still wish someone a Happy New Year, but, in any case, I'm doing so nonetheless. May you and yours you most cherish have a fine 2012.

All is well, Wells. And a belated happy New Yrs and all the best to you and as well my freind.

Hope yr enjoyin the nfl playoff showdown this wkend...

The mission was as simple as touching two wires together, the little boy was promised. The resulting blast would obliterate the American infidels – but God would spare him from the flame and shrapnel. Abdul Samat would be unharmed and free to run back to the men who had fitted his bomb vest.
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Which is more horrifying—that these children are being taught to kill Americans, or that they are being lied to about their own deaths?

Both horrors are of a piece. *This* is Islam in action.

More:

Afghan security officials say that Abdul's story is not unusual. In the past year, insurgents have used a wave of child suicide bombers, some as young as 10, on the ruthless assumption that small boys can pass through checkpoints and security cordons more easily than men.
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This is because Jihadists always count on their victims to be more decent than they are. This is not difficult...

More:

A senior Afghan intelligence official estimated that more than 100 had been intercepted in the past 12 months, including 20 from the Kandahar area in the south. The insurgents seek to exploit the innocence of their recruits and turn it into a weapon.
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Why are people not *horrified* by this?

Why doesn't this even horrify other Muslims? Yet somehow, I doubt we will hear much of a protest from "moderate" Muslims here—even though the child victims coerced into suicide bombings are all Muslim...

More:

What they really want is to place NATO forces in a situation where they have to decide between dying in a bombing and using force to stop the bomber. The propaganda mill would then say that NATO forces fired on a child.

The largely illiterate boys are fed a diet of anti-Western and anti-Afghan government propaganda until they are prepared to kill, he said. But the boys are also assured that they will miraculously survive the devastation they cause.

"The worst part is that these children don't think that they are killing themselves," said the official. "They are often given an amulet containing Koranic verses. Mullahs tell them, 'When this explodes you will survive and God will help you survive the fire. Only the infidels will be killed, you will be saved and your parents will go to paradise'."
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The idea that the horrific *Taliban* is trying to make Western personnel "look bad" shows just how different the moral standards are that we apply to Muslims and to our own people. Madness...

And only illiterate children would ever believe that an explosion would not affect someone due to their creed. What 13-year-old in the West—no matter how poor a student—would ever believe such obvious b*llsh*t?

More:

Gul Khan, who looks no older than 10, said his father had insisted he go to a madrassa in Pakistan run by a man called Maulawi Sher Jan.

"Each day they were preaching that we would tie bombs on to our bodies and attack foreigners in Afghanistan," he said after escaping and being arrested on the border.

"They told us the bombs would not kill us, only the Americans would die and you can come back to us."
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*This* is the answer to those who claim Madrasses are just "schools"...

More:

Three convicted child suicide bombers, seen by The Daily Telegraph, all said their confessions had been false and they were wrongly convicted. Haji Abdul Haq, the juvenile prosecutor for Kandahar, denied pressure had been placed on them and said they were often caught wearing bomb vests. "They confess at first, but when their families reach them, they change their minds," he said.
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How many of these families *knew* their little boys were being sent off to "kill and be killed"? Certainly, they seem more intent on denial than on anger at the vicious Jihadists who would do such things to their children and their potential victims...


These are sick people and at the rate islam is killing off their females and kids, all that will be left are the bearded/yellow teeth/old/pathetic Clerics and Imams that have no more ignorant youth to spew their hatred to on friday's.


As potentially damageing as the act of Marines towards dead Taliban; can you blame them knowing what they have seen over there INCLUDING the jihadists acts toward their own children as has been posted here?

Christ said, "Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."

Islam, says, "Suffer, little children!"

Because we are better then them.

We are civilized.

We are educated.

We are caring.

We love life.

We are respectful even of those in a violent cult made up by a self proclaimed pedophile "prophet".

My thoughts - too bad they didn't have to poop too.

We are respectful even of those in a violent cult made up by a self proclaimed pedophile "prophet".

Not me Vickie...I do not respect evil...I think it's in the genes, maybe the chromosomes...

Does this surprise anyone ? I know one thing: The upcoming generation of Muslims will be 10 times worse than the scums we have to deal with at present.

By the way my brothers, I am an English Anti-Islam Activist; I am a regular reader of Jihad Watch but have only very recently signed up to comment. I know you are fully aware of the situation here in England and Europe. It looks like we are heading for certain civil war within a decade at the most--it is utterly unavoidable. Anger is reaching boiling point. It will, of course, be the Muslims who instigate any hostilities, not us. When it eventually comes, we will be ready. Our numbers are LEGION; We are strong, intelligent and absolutely committed to shattering both the disgusting disease that is Political Correctness, and eradicating further Islamism. We do of course want to achieve our goals peacefully; honest debate about Islam, honest reporting on Islam, and the collapse of Political Correctness alone would be enough to weaken the ideology massively.

The majority of the English people have stated in polls that they want an end to the construction of Mosques, an end to immigration, an end to Neo-Multiculturalism and an end to Political Correctness; we will make sure the majority's will is imposed.

Our homeland and culture is being destroyed, but we will die to protect it. We will NEVER allow Islam to gain one more inch.

One can imagine future generations looking back at us with hatred and utter bemusement at what we, or rather our weak, pathetic, spineless political "leaders" allowed to happen.

We are fighting for our homelands, our families and this beautiful world we call earth. We fight for the present and the future, we will not fail. We are all brothers in this war, we stand shoulder to shoulder as a brotherhood of the FREE. Failure is NOT an option.

We will hold the soil of our nations in our hands, and we WILL reclaim our birthright.

Long live the West, long live Israel, long live ENGLAND, long live the FREE.

Does this surprise anyone ? I know one thing: The upcoming generation of Muslims will be 10 times worse than the scums we have to deal with at present.

By the way my brothers, I am an English Anti-Islam Activist; I am a regular reader of Jihad Watch but have only very recently signed up to comment. I know you are fully aware of the situation here in England and Europe. It looks like we are heading for certain civil war within a decade at the most--it is utterly unavoidable. Anger is reaching boiling point. It will, of course, be the Muslims who instigate any hostilities, not us. When it eventually comes, we will be ready. Our numbers are LEGION; We are strong, intelligent and absolutely committed to shattering both the disgusting disease that is Political Correctness, and eradicating further Islamism. We do of course want to achieve our goals peacefully; honest debate about Islam, honest reporting on Islam, and the collapse of Political Correctness alone would be enough to weaken the ideology massively.

The majority of the English people have stated in polls that they want an end to the construction of Mosques, an end to immigration, an end to Neo-Multiculturalism and an end to Political Correctness; we will make sure the majority's will is imposed.

Our homeland and culture is being destroyed, but we will die to protect it. We will NEVER allow Islam to gain one more inch.

One can imagine future generations looking back at us with hatred and utter bemusement at what we, or rather our weak, pathetic, spineless political "leaders" allowed to happen.

We are fighting for our homelands, our families and this beautiful world we call earth. We fight for the present and the future, we will not fail. We are all brothers in this war, we stand shoulder to shoulder as a brotherhood of the FREE. Failure is NOT an option.

We will hold the soil of our nations in our hands, and we WILL reclaim our birthright.

Long live the West, long live Israel, long live ENGLAND, long live the FREE.

One can only hope that, the more public awareness of this truly devious behavior gets out, that islam will be soundly rejected by entire world's people.

It is getting out, isn't it.......?

.....chirp.......chirp.......

Vicki

These Muslims do not deserve your respect … especially when they have no respect for even the innocents.

this idea Christians have,……*.to give the other cheek* , is naive and dangerous and I think that what *this respect* comes from

That what is happening in the mind of Obama ..he has misplaced respect for Islam and Muslims ….He is dead wrong.

I know exactly what Muslims think of you [ I have heard it from the Muslims mouth] …they cary so much hate for you all ...especially America …it is shocking .


I am an English Canadian & studied Law at the Inns of Court London UK.
I absolutely admire Robert & Jihad Watch Also love UN Watch & the Voice of Canada.
I never really got involved until the Flotilla raid & saw thw propaganda against the Jews & Israel. I knew Israel was legally right , a fact now recognized by the racist UN
I am appalled at the Islamic propaganda machine aided by sites like You Tube !
I was a student in London & saw the invasion of the UK by Muslims & they now have Sharia built into their civil code !

How prophetic the words of an English woman to me in a pub !

"England is no longer for the English"


I know exactly what you are going through.
I love England. My ancestors were British Empire Loyalists granted land in Canada ! Live & studied in London for 4 years ! I saw the the influx of Muslims .

I do not consider myself a racist but rather a realist. I judge people on their actions & intentions.
It is quite clear the Islamic intentions as witnessed in the Arab Spring & all over the Arab world !

What lovely words "Arab Spring" for a genocide !!!

Adult: You should wear this vest bomb, and blow it up.

Child: That will kill me.

Adult: No, it won't. You are a Muslim in jihad. Allah will protect you. Only the nearby non-Muslims will die.

Child: Are you a Muslim in jihad, too?

Adult: Yes.

Child: Then you come with me, and you will be safe.

Adult: What? I didn't hear you. Oh, wow, look at the time. You'd better get moving. It's best not to keep Allah waiting.

What happened to death followed by 72 virgins? I guess that pre-pubescent boys are not interested in sex, especially when they have had their little asses raped over and over again by Uncle Abdul and his fat sweaty companions.
Easier to tell them that the bomb won't harm them!

Well, Vickie, that is how civilizations die - this train of thought of yours makes them become too weak, too compassionate, and too blind to see that the only way they can survive is by destroying their mortal enemies, and this weakness results in them falling to their enemies, and all that is left is the ruins of the fallen civilization.

Does this surprise anyone? I know one thing: The upcoming generation of Muslims will be 10 times worse than the scums we have to deal with at present.

And moreso when they're certain that they're winning.

England Rising

Welcome! Nice to meet you.

You've mentioned you've lurked here for a long time but have only just signed up to comment.

If you don't mind - when did you first come across us? Did someone mention the website, or did you simply stumble across it in the course of doing your own research on Islam? And when did it first dawn on you that Islam was dangerous, and that Muslims within the UK were dangerous? What event or events set off your alarm bells and your BS-detectors? When did you first read the Koran and what was your first impression of it? I ask these questions of new posters, because the answers are always interesting.

(I'm Australian; I came across jihadwatch late in 2006 [by clicking its link on the blogroll at Bat Yeor's 'dhimmitude' site] and lurked until 2007, when I started posting).

Also - have you encountered the 'New English Review'?? Also a focus of the Resistance against Islamisation. It has a bit of a UK / European emphasis, and a couple of the editors/ blog contributors, most notably one Esmerelda Weatherwax (who used to comment here often, some years ago, as 'Grannie Weatherwax'), are English.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/

I contribute regularly to NER as well as to jihadwatch. It has its own 'flavour' and emphasis, but it and jihadwatch complement each other nicely, I find.

If you haven't read New English Review, do check it out.

Again, somewhat OT, but just for you, England Rising.

Here is an excerpt from a posting I made, a couple of years ago: August 2009. You might have seen it then, if you were lurking at that time. but maybe you didn't. Anyway, I will re-post it.

"Perhaps Arthur and his Knights stir from their sleep, in the Island of the Mighty.

See Gwyn Jones' "Welsh Legends and Folktales" (1955; 1956), from the third section 'Tales Old and New', the story 'Where Arthur Sleeps'.

In this story a Wise Man and a Welshman enter a cave in Craig-y-Dinas in Wales. There they see, "Hanging from the passage roof was a bronze bell the size of a beehive, with a clanger as long as your arm, and the Wise Man begged the Welshman on no account to touch it, for if he did, disaster would surely follow.
"Soon they reached the main cave...it was filled with warriors in bright armour and asleep on the floor. There was an outer ring of a thousand men, and an inner ring of a hundred, their heads to the wall and their feet to the centre, each with sword, shield, battle-axe and spear; and outermost of all lay their horses...And in the middle of them all lay a king and emperor at rest, as they knew by the splendour of his array and the jewelled crown beneath his hand and the awe and majesty of his person."
A little later on in the tale, "Who are these warriors?' asked the Welshman. 'And who is their sleeping king?
'"The King is Arthur, and those that surround him are the men of the Island of the Mighty.
'They sleep with their steeds and their arms because a day will come when land and sky shall cower at the clamour of a host,
'and the bell will tremble and ring, and then those warriors will ride out with Arthur at their head, and drive their foes headlong into the sea, and there shall be justice and peace among men for as long as the world endures.'"
Perhaps the bell in the Cave of the Sleepers is beginning to tremble, and swing, and ring.

I do not mean to imply by this, of course, a literal belief in a 'return of Arthur'; rather, I want to say, poetically speaking, that as and when ordinary non-Muslim people in Britain - Welsh, Scots and English, and those non-Muslims from other lands who have consciously committed themselves to Britain - rise up in sufficient numbers, to take back the streets and squares and fields and towns of Britain from the encroaching Mohammedan invaders and Fifth Columnists, then it *will* be as if the legendary heroes of the past, Arthur and Alfred, have arisen in power out of the shadows."

It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that at least some of the parents of some of these kids know exactly what is going to happen to them, and *approve*.

Because the Shahid can buy entry to 'paradise' not only for himself but, seemingly, for a selection of his kinfolk. I have read somewhere, but cannot at present give the source, the idea that up to 70 people can get into 'paradise' on the strength of one kinsman who annihilates himself in the process of annihilating others (kuffar, or else insufficiently Islamic Mohammedans) in Jihad.

From the article -

Mullahs tell them, 'When this explodes you will survive and God will help you survive the fire. Only the infidels will be killed, you will be saved and your parents will go to paradise'."

Now, compare this, from this article, three years ago:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/12/we-are-meeting-and-discussing-global-jihad-issues.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/12/06/2008-12-06_journalist_sean_langan_tells_of_life_in_.html

American journalist Sean Langan was held captive by a bunch of Mohammedan jihad mobsters, in Pakistan.

Excerpts from his story:

'What shocked him, however, was the total indifference to human life shown by his captors.

'**Their own children were as expendable as bullets in an AK-47** {my emphasis - dda}...

'During interrogation, they demanded he identify his young sons - an infuriating attempt "to bring innocence and light into a dark, corrupted world," he said.

'Fearing a beheading, he revealed one son's name is Gabriel, as in the archangel, and one of the holiest names in Islam.

'The Taliban wept - and Haqqani sent a letter of apology.

'A teary-eyed interrogator threw his arm around Langan and showed him a young boy's photo on his cell phone.

'A father-to-father moment?

'Hardly.

'**The next photo showed the bomb-strapped kid blowing up a U.S. Humvee** {my emphasis - dda}.



"I'm looking at him like, you're a sociopath," Langan said." END EXCERPT.

Conclusion: these human sacrifice cultists believe that if their kid blows himself up as a murder-'martyr', not only does *he* get into 'paradise', but so do they and a whole bunch of other relations....

In other words: not only is Islam about killing kafir (Jooz, etc.) in order to get into 'Paradise', it's about human-sacrificing your *kids* (by sending them off to murder others, blowing themselves up as murder-'martyrs') in order to get into 'paradise'...


Don't feel so self righteous. Your beloved prosecutors and judges are convicting children as young as twelve to life in prison. Google Cristian Fernandez. Florida and the bitch who is prosecuting him Angela Corey. Read books like "No Matter How Loud I Shout" "Mean Justice", "One Nation Under Arrest" or "The War Against Boys" or better yet the whole reason this is happening to children: "Taken Into Custody" by Baskerville. I usually suggest "The Haj", "Because They Hate" and "Muslim Mafia" as primers for understanding the threat of Islam and Sharia. The previous three is good reading if you want to get clued in to the realities of our wonderful court system and its so-called "Public Employees".

Here is one of Britons problems !

"Former UK MP Captured on Video Fundraising for Hamas in a US Mosque

Former UK MP George Galloway and three-time felon Mahdi Bray of the Muslim American Society’s Freedom Foundation were caught on video raising at least $55,000 for Hamas."

This was at a Florida Mosque .

He also tried to take a land flotilla into Gaza through the Egyptian border but was turned back ! Egypt also blockades Gaza along it's 112 KLM border !

How will either English or Australian citizens defend themselves when Muslims become the majority? They have disarmed themselves before a majority Muslim population could come to power and disarm them like all dhimmis. Fifty years from now, the average citizen of England or Australia will not have any defensive skills against a tyranical government.

Regarding urinating on bodies. Sometimes people need to be neutralized. But once an evil person is killed, the evil departs and all that is left is the flesh. God does not command us to humiliate lifeless flesh.... Created in His image. If you look at the photos you will agree that the evil is departed from those corpses and that all that remains is humanity in all it's wretchedness pitifulness poverty blindness and nakedness. Don't proclaim on how we are better than them. If you are European then there is a very good chance that your forefathers ran around in animal skins eating eachother. Someone preached the gospel to them and here we find ourselves today -miraculously transformed- kicking and screaming all the way.

I think you exaggerate.

I think if you look at Australia and even at the UK countryside, you will find plenty of people still lawfully in possession of firearms.

Though I live in the city, I was born and brought up in the bush, in quite remote localities, and I *know* that plenty of country households still possess firearms which are used primarily to dispose of vermin such as feral pigs and foxes, and to euthanase terminally sick animals, or to kill a large beast (cow or sheep) that is to be used for meat. One of my own brothers used his own gun to take down a large feral pig - a boar - with just one shot, on Christmas Eve 2011. I would add that he doesn't hunt 'for fun' at all.

We don't have as much of a 'hunt and shoot' *culture* as the USA has; and in the past, once we got past what might be called the 'frontier warfare' period (guns against spears; this lasted as late as the 1910s and 1920s, in the far north), we seem not have felt threatened enough by our neighbours, to feel we *had* to have a gun in every man's hand all the time. Even today the average law-abiding citizen in an Australian suburbs just doesn't feel he or she *needs* a gun, and to be perfectly frank, across vast swathes of this country, in the past fifty years or so, that was true - to get an idea of where our crime rates were at in much of the country, my husband grew up in a small country town and people used to leave their cars parked in the main street with the windows rolled down and the keys still in the ignition - and that was in the early 1970s.

But to repeat: to make the blanket claim that *all* Australian citizens are now unarmed, and to imply that NO Australian citizen can obtain a gun, is a ridiculous exaggeration. After the Port Arthur massacre, certain *types* of guns were proscribed; not ALL guns.

As for the UK: I suspect that in many parts of Britain - especially Scotland, Wales and the English countryside where there are farmers - you would find a surprising number of people lawfully in possession of firearms. And it won't take much for those people to tutor others, as and when the need arises.

I’m glad to hear that you’re optimistic about the situation.

You are referring to the approximately 6% of Australian adults that own a gun. And, you hope that this percentage is enough to sustain a strong gun culture and tradition of firearms proficiency for the next generation of freedom fighters in a worst case scenario. And, regarding the few gun owners in the UK, you feel that “it won't take much for those people to tutor others, as and when the need arises.”

I want Australia and UK to succeed against the jihadists. So, with great respect, I suggest that this plan is weak.

Here is my concern: each gun in Australia must be registered to the owner by serial number. What is the possible harm in that? Cars have vehicle identification numbers and registration numbers. The problem is that governments have a long, horrible history of confiscating guns (not cars), and the registration and serial enumeration of a gun is the first step in accomplishing this goal.

Now, imagine the future of Australia (or the UK) -- imagine that Muslims become the political majority. Under sharia law, the guns of non-Muslims must be confiscated. See http://davekopel.org/Religion/Dhimmitude-and-Disarmament.pdf

The Muslim-controlled legislature would simply demand that all Australian guns be brought in for safety inspection. Registration is the key to success. If a registered gun-owner failed to comply, then he would be prosecuted for such failure. If a registered gun-owner complied, then his guns would be confiscated or destroyed. Exemptions would be granted to Muslims.

Do you think that this speculative scenario sounds exaggerated? Do you think that there is no historical precedent to support such speculation?

Germany established gun control in 1938, and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. Why did Germany believe that it was necessary to establish gun control before rounding up the Jews? Why on Earth would they believe that to be helpful to their cause?

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

DDA, your description of the Australian rural gun culture sounds supiciously like the real American rural cun culture (not the ugly caricature put forth by our MSM). And, as one introduced to the glorief of venison by a friend brought up in that culture who continued to hunt in order to supplement the larder, I say long may it wave!

And I promise that rural American "Rednecks" don't fire live rounds into the air to celebrate weddings or other special events. They're dangerous chiefly to game in season and cans on fenceposts.

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Don't feel so self righteous. Your beloved prosecutors and judges are convicting children as young as twelve to life in prison...
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Grotesque moral equivalence. Equating a society dealing with the disturbing—and thankfully rare—phenomenon of child murderers with a society that coerces little children through brainwashing and outright lies to strap on suicide vest and murder people *is insane*.

This means you are no loner able to recognize unmitigated evil when you see it.

This moral equivalence is, in fact, one of the problems the West has in facing the horrific threat of Islam.

Islam is a Crime Syndicate that was established for the sole purpose to destroy human beings, all human beings, including the innocent Muslims.

Some day, everyone will understand that the Muslim god is actually Satan, sometimes called Allah.

Everyone will understand that Islam is part of the Antichrist, not the Antichrist, but part of the Antichrist.

Islam cannot be the true religion, simply because Islam is cruel, depraved and violent. Furthermore, Islam is divided into several contradictory sects. How can contradictory Islamic sects be all true? If Islam is true, it would be infallible, and one without divisions. But not one Islamic sect is infallible. Cruelty, depravity, and violence, i.e., Islam, cannot come from the true God. The true God, the God of the Ten Commandments, is a just God Who treats everyone equally. The cruelty coming from Islam is committed by cruel Muslims. It is not committed by a just and loving God, the God of the Ten Commandments.

Islam with all its depravity would have to come from the god of depravity, i.e., Satan, and/or the man of depravity, who was Muhammad.

P.S. We must destroy the Criminal Activity of Islam before the Criminal Activity of Islam destroys us.

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