Tourism is already tanking. People will stay home and watch a DVD about Egypt if they fear harassment and abuse if they visit, even if they have no intention of hitting the beaches or bars. They'll hit the beach somewhere that hasn't been known inflict virginity tests on female detainees.
Like Key West. Dar al-Margarita, if you will. "Battle over bikinis looms for Egyptian tourism," from Agence France-Presse, January 5:
On a barren hill in Sharm el-Sheikh, not far from the famous beach resorts with their bikini-clad patrons, Islamist activist Ahmed Saber ponders the fate of revealing swimwear if his party comes to power.
The swimsuit has been at the centre of a growing debate over the Islamists' plans for tourism, one of Egypt's key currency earners.
Speaking at a voting station, Saber seeks to present a liberal outline of his party's position on the bikini. "You're free to do as you please as long as you don't harm me," he says.
The Sharm el-Sheikh tour guide then goes on to explain that: "Some sights might harm me. For example, women wearing bikinis on the street. There are special places for bikinis".
After decades of repression by a secular police state, the Muslim Brotherhood grouping finds itself fending off questions about its plans for beach resort mainstays like bikinis and alcohol - considered unIslamic by some.
With ultra-conservatives poised to play a big role in parliament during an economic crisis, the Islamists' thoughts on what tourists may wear or drink are being scrutinised amid fears they will harm the country's vital tourism industry.
The Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party, poised to win the most votes in the country's first election since president Hosni Mubarak's February overthrow, has promised it would not hurt tourism.
But some of its candidates have exacerbated the fears with pledges to ban alcohol or bikinis on beaches, forcing their leaders to backtrack.
Essam al-Erian, the party's vice president, said the FJP would no longer comment on bikinis. "It's a ridiculous question. Tourism can't be considered in terms of bikinis or such matters," he said.
The party's candidate in Sharm el-Sheikh, Ahmed Qassim, also appeared wearied by the topic. He said he has repeatedly assured voters the Islamists would encourage tourism.
"We are with tourism, and we are not against personal freedoms," he said.
But along the beaches, hotel workers said they were worried, particularly about ultra-conservative Salafis who won more than 20 per cent of the votes in the election's first two rounds.
"People are very worried," said Ahmed, while approaching sun bathing guests to offer them massages at the hotel....
Where I live some of the best doctors are muslim. You can be arrest for than bais crime for your remarked If I see than muslim employee I'm otta there show you are bias.
That is precisely why we dont live where you live and we dont want barbaric islamaniacs in our country. We have freedom of speech in our country, unlike your barbaric societies where people get arrested for speaking their mind about the most oppressive and degrading ideology the world has ever known in islam!
Islamospeak:
"You're free to do as you please as long as you don't harm me," he says.
Subtext (or Islamo-hypocrisy):
"I'm free to do as I please, even if it harms you [infidels]."
And, what harm do bikinis cause? Whiplash? Drooling? Reveal lack of self-control?
With all that skimpy bathing along the Red Sea (even in Saudi) and the Mediterranean, one would have thought allah would have caused a few tsunamis and wiped the coastline clean by now. But, alas, it's the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafists that will exercise his ostensible will.
When an Islamist "ponders the fate of revealing swimwear" how is this different than the mental gymnastics of a vigilante serial killer that targets prostitutes?
I can't help but visualize a gun as a fashion accessory, and a well practiced cry of "Leave me the ____ Alone! -- I'll give you a count of three to get lost -- 1 . . 2 . . ?
The internet offers endless visual possibilities.
And this:
Freedom -- individual liberty -- is beautiful.
What do the 72 virgins wear up there ?
People are tired of islam with its phoney piety. Muslim countries are among the least welcoming and most intolerant on the planet.Why would non-muslims want to visit these countries or give them any money? I would like to see muslim countries isolated from the rest of humanity with muslims forced to live under islam.If muslims actually had to live under islam with no escape that would be the quickest way to bring "reform" to islam.
The Sharm el-Sheikh tour guide then goes on to explain that: "Some sights might harm me. For example, women wearing bikinis on the street. There are special places for bikinis".
That will soon develop into, "Or, if I'm on the street, but I can see women on the beach wearing bikinis. Or, if I'm miles away, but I can see bikinis on the beach through binoculars. Or, I'm at home, but I think of bikinis being worn on the beach. All of this will offend me."
In short, Islam is about 'give them a finger and they'll take your arm!'
That's why we should give them nothing! Absolutely nothing!
Clown!
...there's something irresistible about a man who doesn't spell very well.
Egypt's economy is already on the brink of collapse. If the islamists want to harm a major component of that economy, I say leave them to it. Let them follow the fine example of the maldives, whose government, not content with just closing down all the spas in all the hotels (un-Islamic) now are making noises about banning bikinis and alcohol from the islands.
As the Maldives depends entirely on tourism, this is a stroke of Islamic genius; economic suicide par excellence. Jihad creates poverty, as Robert likes to remind us!
New Age hippy meditators will also be banned http://www.peopleofshambhala.com/2011/12/forget-tactics-clash-of-civilizations.html
If I recall the leader of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri is supposed to be a doctor. I don't think I would want that evil creature examining me under any circumstances whether you call me a racist or not, It's a matter of common sense. We in the UK had that other so called doctor who tried to blow up the airport in Scotland not so long ago, Fortunately he only managed to turn himself into a hog roast. I can't help wondering, aren't these lowlifes supposed to follow the Hippocratic oath and swear to preserve life? Just another case of the real hypocritical oath Muslims swear to perhaps?
"I can't help wondering, aren't these lowlifes supposed to follow the Hippocratic oath and swear to preserve life?"
No, they're supposed to give top priority to killing kuffars, like all other death-cultists... http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/02/muslim-death-doctors-islamic-jihad-by.html
Shades of doctor Mengele?
NY Conservative Defender of Islam has claimed in the past he used to be a Christian, & now he's a Muslim. In other words he is the dumbest of the dumb, he chooses darkness of his own free will, & he still won't take English lessons like we keep asking him to as well. I'd just like to say the bikini is the greatest invention in the history of the world as well! Have a good day everyone.
Ok, If you don't like bikini's lets compromise, how about half a bikini? You can decide which half is the most appropriate...
Down with the Bikini.
NY_Conservative | January 5, 2012 6:24 PM |Frankly, I hope all infidel tourism to Muslim controlled or dominated countries comes to an end.
If that ever happened, our dhimmi politicians will rush to shower them with our money.
What next? Face veils on goats' asses?
The sight of a bikini on a street might "harm" this Allah-enslaved twit? O Men of Islam, Bold Sons of the Burning Desert Sands, beware the bikini! Your poor koran-ridden psyches can't take the sight of a female leg uncovered unless it's in your bedroom and belongs to one of your 4 legal wives or some sex slave "that your right hand possesses".
Muslim men are pathetic.
Anyone know if Egypt will be sending a team to the Women's Beach Volleyball event in London or will the OIC be demanding a new event: Women's Burqa Beach Volleyball?
Muslim Brotherhood invariably spells like MAD:
Muslim Association of De-Bikininizers !!!
The Hippocratic Oath is "Western" (part of our Ancient Greek heritage) not Islamic; therefore, "I will ... never do harm to anyone" is not a shared value.
There are many good Muslim doctors, and I have known a few, but the problem is one of ideology. All it takes is a little religious fervor for one, as your examples make clear, to go from "good" (anti-infidel Jihad off switch) to "bad" or virulent (anti-infidel Jihad on switch). Of course, from an Islamic perspective, "good" and "just" cannot be "bad."
Reply to johnmatt | January 6, 2012 1:19 AM |
If we practiced "containment," then it would only be a matter of time before new Islamist regimes discredited themselves. It took 45 years with the Soviets, and a number of hot and proxy wars, for their internal contradictions to destroy the Communist system.
Unfortunately, our leaders don't (want to) understand the threats, and rather ignore, deny, or embrace those who are actively working in one capacity or another towards our destruction. We, too, can smile, shake our enemies' hands, and stab them in the back.
What next? Face veils on goats' asses?
No, Khomeini, for example, indicated that having sex with an animal (don't recall if he specifically mentioned goat or sheep) was permitted, as long as one did not eat the meat afterwards (as it would then be unclean).
You said "WHAT KIND OF SICK LOSERS WOULD CONVERT FROM CHRISTIANITY OR JUDAISM TO THIS SICK EVIL RELIGION?? That is something that needs to be emphasized. Much of this conversion takes place in prison."
I would guess it is the kind of sick losers who realise that this "religion" gives them religious legitimacy to steal (booty) from "infidels" and also gives them supposedly unfettered access to all non muslim women and even some muslim women;
the kind of sick loser who wants power over all women; the kind of sick loser who expects supremacy over all infidels however powerful or clever they may be; the kind of sick loser who hasn't the nous to progress in his own (usually his) chosen trade or profession so becomes a union rep (do burglars have a union?) - or a Muslim.
Have you ever noticed what feeble high pitched voices most islamic spokesmen have? Certainly makes me wonder.
As for tourism. Sadly I shall never now see the pyramids, Babylon, Carthage,the historic sites in Iran, Turkey,Kashmir, and elsewhere because I shall avoid all countries which are muslim. Never mind there is still the Great Wall, most of South America, Aus/NZ, The beautiful beaches of the Maldives are not my sort of holiday.
Then again I hear that there is expectation of soon finding planets capable of supporting life. Maybe there might soon be a solution and an immediate resolution to the problem of overpopulation here.
DefenderofIslam snarked: "Where I live some of the best doctors are muslim. You can be arrest for than bais crime for your remarked If I see than muslim employee I'm otta there show you are bias."
So, Defender, turn me in. Here -- I'm "biased" against Islam. The DHS is monitoring this site. Lodge a complaint wit them. Send a note to Hillary Clinton and the OIC, saying I regularly defame Mohammad and Allah and your whole barbaric, anti-life creed. That ought to cause great headlines that should send a thrill up your spine: "Famous author arrested by men in sunglasses and carrying automatic rifles and no warrants. Scheduled for indefinite detention at Gitmo per language of the NDAA."
Any man who is opposed to bikinis is not a man.
"Where I live some of the best doctors are muslim. You can be arrest for than bais crime for your remarked If I see than muslim employee I'm otta there show you are bias."
I'm sorry to burst your Islamic bubble, but you cannot be arrested for choosing not to go to a Muslim doctor...and by the way just what do you think about bikinis and tourism in Muslim counties?
Re Muslim doctors...if I had a free choice between an identifiably Muslim doctor and an identifiably Hindu, or Jewish, or Christian, or secular, or Buddhist doctor...I'd choose the non-Muslim doctor. Ditto for eating at a restaurant - I'll take the one owned and run by non-Muslims - and taking a cab. Reason being that I don't fancy playing Muslim Roulette.
I know that - as has already been pointed out by others on this thread - that there are Muslim doctors who have engaged in Jihad, the most notable being the Al Qaeda gang boss, Ayman Al-Zawahiri. I know that there have been Muslims, engaged in the food industry, who have deliberately contaminated food they were serving to kaffir; I know that in Israel a couple of Muslims deliberately got a job at a restaurant, with the aim of poisoning the food with thallium (they were, fortunately, caught before they could kill anyone). I know that in Australia there have been quite a few cases of Mohammedan taxi drivers raping female kuffar passengers (I am a woman). And I know that Muslims are taught, from birth on up, to hate and despise the kuffar and to harm us if they think they can do so and can get away with it. As demonstrated in this article from 2006, with excerpts from the 'preaching' of a Muslim 'cleric' (gang boss) in the UK:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article787810.ece
January 13, 2006
Abu Hamza's video 'call to arms'
'ON FIGHTING “The first phase is called the Shawkat al-Nekaya, it is called the needle of bleeding the enemy. Like you imagine you have one small knife and you have a big animal in front of you . . . You have to stab him here and there until he bleeds to death . . . This is the first stage of jihad, destruction of the enemies of Allah”
'ON WEAPONS “We ask Muslims to . . . bleed the enemies of Allah anywhere by any means. You can’t do it by nuclear weapon, you have to do it by kitchen knife, no other solution. You can’t do it by chemical weapons, you have to do it by mice poison”. END QUOTE.
'By kitchen knife'. That's what Roshana Chaudry used when she stabbed British MP Stephen Timms, btw. She smiled at him and held out her left hand - dung hand - for him to shake; and when, naively, he took it, she shoved the knife into his guts with her right.
And every time I hear about Muslim pharmacists I shiver because I remember Abu Hamza's line about 'mice poison' and I wonder what such people might, one day, choose to do with their myriad opportunities to cause harm.
So: why should a non-Muslim, if there is a non-Muslim choice available, gamble their life on a particular Mohammedan Mob Fifth Columnist doctor, or restauranteur/ waiter/ cook, or cabbie *not* being, on any given occasion, about to wage a little jihad against the dirty kuffar?
Time for a musical Interlude, such as former contributor 'Hugh Fitzgerald' used to provide occasionally.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxMMXuACDDA&feature=related
Another 'Interlude'.
The beautiful Frenchwoman who did more to promote the bikini than possibly any other..
http://www.bikiniscience.com/models/BB19_SS/BB5310_S/BB5310_J/BB531010.JPG
http://www.life.com/gallery/33962/image/3015748/brigitte-bardot-in-her-heyday#index/4
What Muslim males just don't 'get' is that the 'look but don't touch (unless you're expressly invited)' rule governing male/ female interaction in modern non-Muslim societies means that the normal decent non-Muslim male, no matter how old and ugly or young and shy and spotty, by exercising basic self-control, gets to see a whole lot more real live female beauty parading past every day of his life than any Mohammedan male in a Mohammedan country unless said male is rich enough to own a harem.
Bikinis ARE un-islamic. In islam you don't "need" bikinis. All you need to do is imitate the "prophet". Muhammad used to meet, hug and kiss people... NAKED!!!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/03/muhammad-and-nudity-mahomet-et-la.html
To answer your question, DoI is a convert to islam and resides in the U.S.
Islamists will encourage tourism? Notice there is nothing outlining that plan. Tourists are typically put off and shy away from Islamic police with machine guns yelling at women whose wrists or ankles are showing. Tourists don't usually flock to places with kidnappings and beheadings and suicide bombings.
To answer your question, DoI is a convert to islam and resides in the U.S.
Afew year ago than muslim male told me that Islam said only than male doctor can treat me well he is wrong than woman doctor can treat me. I only want the best doctor to trat where I live, met too many doctor that know less about medincer than I do which is very little. When I was in the ER at one of the top 100 hospital in america out of 5000 have my left hand treated for three broken knunk bone and cap the woman doctor told me she cannot treat me as I was muslim well I told her yes she as that was than make up saying of the founder of Islam since she was old in charge of than younger male doctor in training he set the bones while she watch and instruct him in how to do it, the hospital will soon be than medical school.I take fast reflex and strenght to set bones right.
NY_Conservative, your post about those ayerhedds converting to Islam because of its supposed "respect for women" are reasons why I sometimes declare myself a professional swindler rather than the High School social studies and ESOL teacher I supposedly am. Yes, sometimes you can get around or subvert the curriculum and the pervasive EmCeePeeCee atmosphere, but it's a little like being Sisyphus in the underworld.
When I was in the ER at one of the top 100 hospital in america out of 5000 have my left hand treated for three broken knunk bone and cap the woman doctor told me she cannot treat me as I was muslim
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DoI, I here and now call you out as an utter imposter who probably never set foot in the USA. A licensed physician in any of the top hospitals in our country is bound both by anti-discrimination laws and professional codes of ethics to treat people if the illness or injury is within their area of expertise.
And, if you're an ex-Christian, tell me what you were taught about the Holy Trinity.
"the woman doctor told me she cannot treat me as I was muslim well ..."
I don't believe you.. and by the way just what do you think about bikinis and tourism in Muslim counties?
There have been many cases where Muslim patients have refused to be treated by Infidel doctors...and no cases where Muslims have been refused treatment...Even In Israel, the Palestinian patients are not refused by the Jews...You are confused..
You are so full of crap! How did the female doctor know you were a muslim? I doubt if you wear a sign around your neck to warn unsuspecting infidels. My guess is that you refused to be treated by a female or you were never even in the hospital with broken knuckles. How did you break your knuckles? Let me guess, some islamophobic thugs insulted islam and you were compelled to defend your death cult.
In America, hospital emergency rooms and doctors are required to treat everyone, even arrogant, hostile, supremacist muslim ingrates. Get well soon!
Friends, Defender of Islam has been practicing Taqiyya with us, and he really does it very, very badly. I doubt very much that he ever sought treatment in an American hospital, and strongly suspect that his claim to have converted from Christianity is similarly spurious. That's why I asked him what he learned about the Trinity in his "Christian" days.