Florida jihad suspect brawled with Christians, warned on YouTube to convert to Islam "before it is too late"

Sami Osmakac showed his affinity for violent jihad last year. "Moment terror suspect, 25, arrested over 'bomb plot' in Florida was caught on camera brawling with Christian protesters," from the Daily Mail, January 10 (thanks to all who sent this in):

A Muslim accused of plotting to bomb locations in the U.S. has apparently been identified as the same man assaulting Christian protesters in a video posted online.

Sami Osmakac, 25, an immigrant from Kosovo, was said to have been planning an attack in Tampa, Florida using a car bomb, machine guns and other explosives.

Kosovo? Doesn't he know that all the Muslims there are moderate and peaceful, and love America?

In the first video clip, a man who appears to be Osmakac, confronted Christian protesters and assaulted one outside the Tampa Bay Times Forum - leaving the man bleeding from the mouth. He was later arrested by police.

In the second video with the title 'Convert to Islam NOW! To all Atheist Christian (Non-Muslims)' a man who looks and sounds like Osmakac threatened members of other religions.

The message from Abdul Samia, believed to be one of Osmakac's aliases, warns viewers to convert to Islam 'before it is too late'. The YouTube videos were posted in December 2010 and in April last year....

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Why was a person this crazy ever allowed to set foot in the US? I have probably lost count but this appears to be the third Muslim immigrant who has attempted to commit mass murder in the US.

convert to Islam 'before it is too late'

Too late for what?

This points the complete failures of these DHS agents and the Obama administration to catch these potential terrorists.
Here is what you are supposed to be looking for people. He is between 18 to 55, a muslim, an immigrant muslim, and a muslim who promotes islam. Notice I didn’t say anything about race. Race doesn’t matter to muslims it’s all about fighting for allah.

OT
SKIT: RESIST ALLAH’s ARMY (RAA)
Two men have just come out of a bar and are shaking hands.
RUMP: See ya on the weekend. Take care.
MUTT: Yep, Resist Allah’s Army.
RUMP: Whatever. Look, you always say that. What about this religion of peace?
MUTT: Duh!
RUMP: OK man, (squirming) my rhoids are killing me. Give me the ABC and make it fast.
MUTT: A for apostasy. Leave Islam and they kill you—that’s desertion in the face of the enemy. B for blasphemy gets you death—challenging the chain of godly command. C for conquest—all infidels must be killed or dhimmified, hence the need for A and B. Now get going before you bleed to death.
They walk off in opposite directions. Rump stops and turns around.
RUMP: (yelling) Pokermuuuutt!!!
Mutt stops and turns around.
RUMP: (yelling) I get it! Resist Allah’s Army!!!
MUTT: (bellowing) RAA!!!

We had a lot of arguments on tube over this character. I saw clearly in the video that he assaulted Christians who were harming nobody. Here's a link to the original clip. Make your own minds up. I know what I saw. And I'm not a Christian.

http://youtu.be/yJvGGuLrVzo

You see I gave the DHS some free advice. If they had run to their boss Obama, he would have mentioned something about the threat posed by those Episcopalian grannies in wheel chair and then quickly changed the subject, so as not to mention anything about possible terrorist ties to I***.(word that can't be mentioned in fear of Saudi and M****** reprecussions).

OT
Ooops a daisy on an omission. I want to end with a street chant and a poster.

Skit: RESIST ALLAH’s ARMY (RAA)
Two men have just come out of a bar and are shaking hands.
RUMP: See ya on the weekend. Take care.
MUTT: Yep, Resist Allah’s Army.
RUMP: Whatever. Look, you always say that. What about this religion of peace?
MUTT: Duh!
RUMP: OK man, (squirming) my rhoids are killing me. Give me the ABC and make it fast.
MUTT: A for apostasy. Leave Islam and they kill you—that’s desertion in face of the enemy. B for blasphemy gets you death—challenging the chain of godly command. C for conquest—all infidels must be killed or dhimmified, hence the need for A and B. Now get going before you bleed to death.
They walk off in opposite directions. Rump stops and turns around.
RUMP: (yelling) Pokermuuuutt!!!
Mutt stops and turns around.
RUMP: (yelling) I get it! Resist Allah’s Army!!!
MUTT: (bellowing) Resist Allah’s Army!!!RAA!RAA!RAA!!!

Double oops a daisy.
Substitute "sentence" for "need".

"C for conquest—all infidels must be killed or dhimmified, hence the sentence for A and B. Now get going before you bleed to death."

No they can't be the same guy. The guy being assaulted by the Christian's (one bit him in the head - a Christian even admitted it to the police officer at the end of the video) was proclaiming the peaceful teachings of Allah and Islam is as we know a religion of peace whereas the guy caught buying explosives is a terrorist. Well okay if they are the same the poor man is suffering from PTSD as a result of the vicious attack on him by the Christian mob.

Yours

The Guardian (UK) Editor

ps You are welcome to comment on my cif article on this to be published tomorrow titled: Christians - at it again - inciting terror in the US of A

You work for The Guardian?
That explains a lot.

he is dellusional to say the least!!!

Bring it on !!!

Let us get it over with.

My friend Mr Piggy is getting impatient.

And he gives a nasty bite.

Me, I just shoot the bastards.

Or will when the time comes.

A Kosovo Albanian, no less! Great thing both Clinton & Bush did in supporting the Islamization of Bosnia/Hercegovina and Kosovo.

"You are welcome to comment on my cif article on this to be published tomorrow..."


Dear Editor John,

Of course, it is nice to know one is welcome, still, it seems you must have inadvertently bitten yourself in the head to imagine anyone would bother searching the Guardian for your crapulum.

BTW, have you made the Guardian aware of your position on its editorial board?

This particular episode, one of countless others, establishes the concrete realization and fact that any muslim immigrating from ANY country on the planet may turn into a painful burden for this Nation. Even when a country and its people have benefited form past American assistance and friendship such as in the case of kosovo, the reality is we as citizens of America remain targets to be murdered by muslims immigrating from these countries.
At the very least a moratorium on the immigration of these mentally, spiritually bereft murderers has to be undertaken.

Hey the truth is spoken here, pal ..but a low-life like you can take your bs to one of those 'other' forums.

doesn't anybody do irony round here? - or are you double bluffing.

I still get shivers thinking about this. I live very close to where the guy had targets. I hope they put this guy away for a very long time.

I love to reiterate this.

Ibn Taymiyyah (رحمه الله) says: "Whoever curses the Prophet (صلي الله عليه وسلم), Muslim or Kaafir, must be killed."

(Mukhtasar As-Saram Al-Maslool `Ala Shatim Ar-Rasul Pages 31-33)

Reference: http://ia600306.us.archive.org/31/items/msmsrmsmsr/msmsr.pdf

Islam does terrible things to the mind. This is example 447,346,934.

I think there should be a law that requires Muslims to submit to psychiatric examination to make sure they don't pose any danger to the society. I submit this video to show my point.

"self defense" .."the rule of allah!"

Liar, that wasn't self defense ...

muslims lie, big surprise.

John,

Are you saying you have been sarcastic? If so you should have indicated it.

I have seen prose published here by moslems the absurdity of which greatly exceeds the one proposed by your parody, so I think I (and Champ) may be excused for taking your comment seriously. Wouldn't you agree?

Cheers,

thomas_h

He is worst than the British muslims!

It's obvious to me that John is being sarcastic. Didn't "Christians - at it again - inciting terror in the US of A" clue you in or am I mistaken?

i can't believe this happened in USA !!!!! and what kind of officers is this guy !!!!!!!!!

Finally we found the video showing Mohammad preaching Islam

...c'mon isn't it obvious that I was teasing John?

Hey Tom,

Are you American by any chance? Maybe our humour divides us, then again maybe it's just me - my wife doesn't get my sense of humour - ever - either.


From Atlas Shrugs I find the following information:


The police, in what has become standard practice in dealing with Islamic supremacists, treat the perp and the victim with equal contempt, actually charging the bloodied Christian with battery. According to the youtube description:

They would not view the video nor did they talk to any of the witnesses. Here is the video you be the judge and then call the Tampa police department and tell them to drop these trumped up charges and do their job properly. Case # 11-217735, ORI# 0290200 The (I hate to give him this title) police officers name and badge number are Kevin Krupa Badge # 565.
Here is their number (813) 242-3800
You can also call the Chief of Police 813-276-3799
Or the Mayor at 813-274-8251

This is the same town that classified the honor killing of Fatima Abdullah as a "suicide."


Clearly ... the police are not trained in Islam nor Islamic tactics...

hey John,

Actually, I am Danish.

Otherwise I don't think "our humour divides us" in any significant way. Rather, it is my failure of detecting your sarcasm that created the misunderstanding.
As I wrote before, I have read comments by dead serious moslems which were way more absurd than intended effect of your spoof, so I had no way to know the thing was a parody.

Otherwise, I dare to add that a well written sarcasm should beside doing good imitation contain a subtle hint identifying its true nature.
I, in contrast to others here(most notably "When-Pigs-Fly" whose sarcasm-detecting powers are legendary - no doubt due to his widely admired intellectual brilliance, acumen and wit repeatedly demonstrated here)have failed to spot such hint. So for the sake of not-so-smart (like myself) it would be nice if in the future you could place a "/sarc off" at the end of a sarcasm. It would save us misunderstandings.

Cheers

Thomas_h

John - I thought it was funny what you wrote. I guess some took it laterally to you posing as a dim-wit guardian editor (UK news).

Come again till us folks get harmonised to your way of thinking. No worries.

It should be interesting to get hold of his conversation transcripts with the immigration staff when he entered the States. This clown should be sent back to Albania on the next flight.

I bet he is a US citizen like the other 1.2 million muslims, sure the citizens like him, who needs an enemy.


I saw this same type of tactic in my area of Toronto over 10 years ago before the 9/11 mass-slaghter by this guys muslim brothers spreading peace.
There is a local pro-Shariah/hamas Mosque where many foreign militant Imams or clerics come to spew their Whahhabi/Supremacy hatred for all non-muslims and encougraged many of the Somali muslims to donate part of their Welfare check to Jihad and the civil war back home.
But, these radicals just can't keep their Jihad plots inside the mosques because the odd nutbar is too stupid to keep their mouth shut and go on their rants and threaten people with death if they don't accept islam.
So one day ,as I was heading home there was a young man telling poeple how Giod loves them and wants the best for them if they come back or embrace his spirit to love everyone as a brother and sister. Then cvame along the super-race islamist from the local mosque and shouted down this guy and got right in his face to provoke a response and then call the police that they were assaulted.
By the young man stood his gound and stood at the edge of the curb and force the muzzies to risk being hit by a car if they stood on the road to yell at him.

Many muslims don't get it, their tight to practise their faith only works when tyey allow others to opine in public. But today we see how even the Police are scared of the islamic supremacy thugs and CAIR because CAIR loves to intimidate people and hang a sword over the heads of Police as a threat that CAIR can get them fired and ruin their lives forever with the "Racist" label.

One day Obama will let pro-hamas group CAIR go so far to the supremacy end of the scale that when a Muslim kills two non-muslims via Autocide to ramp their car into a crowd, CAIR will tell the Police to charge the Corps on the front seat with a B&E via the windshield, and then the Corps tossed 20 feet away will have CAIR telling the Polcie the charge them with "Failing to remain" at the scene of an accident.


Note how the muzzie goes nuts when the truth about his pedophile prophet comes out in public for all to hear , poor mohammed.....he needs little dirt-bags like the piece of shi'ite to defend him because his works can't stand on its own for Peace and Love.

NO ISLAM - Know peace
Know islam - NO peace

Thomas_h

For awhile i was attcked by when-pigs-fly to get a label of a homophobe because I pointed out the fact that the Church sex-scandal was tie to homosexual-pedophiles and the bent towards the homo-erotica. We now have the Penn State homo-pedophilia along with the recent outrage in canada with the new Federal Government want to raise the age for sex from 14 to 16 year of age . The Liberals wents nuts and tried to label the Gov. as Homophobes because the new law would criminalize Some gay sex acts or parts of the culture.
I pointed out the strange ties in the PRIDE parade for quasi-pedophilia displays in public while the Gay-Cops on duty allow it, then the pro-hamas group in the Parade as well while several Muslims from know Sextual-Tourism islamic nations that tolerate Pedophilia and still practise it in canada.

BUT, before anyone fires off another Homophobe rant, please watch this video where Michael Coren now goes public with what I have said here on JW because of the shared viewed on sex with children for Muhammed and some sectors of the gay community endorsing the gay muslims importing victims via the gay mag's and Immigration lawyers aiding in the pedophilia to help kids flee Shariah Law for canada but then get exploited here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZdAjJdsih0

Jump to the 4:00 minute mark and wake-up to the truth that some Corporations in canada are in bed with the islamists and Rainbow crowds just to keep the Peace and
look Tolerant and Diverse. Two of the big banks in canada
fund the Parade where a pro-hamas group marches, these banks also do business with the Sex-tourism Islamic nations and the banks refuse to denouce the islamic Pedophilia in canada or off-shore.

Note how Michael reveals that the teachers have a mush higher rate of Sexual abuse to students and yet the Liberals drag out the "Christian" crisis when it was a Homo-erotica/Pedophilia issue.


I hope Robert takes on this crisis where children are being abused and then some females on USA soil are then victims of honour killings from the forced-sex that makes them filthy pigs and sinners in allah's eyes, i say this because Hooper and CAIR will have a choice to make to condemning ALL pedophilia, or be exposed for only condemning non-Muhammedian child-sex as muslims in the uS emulate their prophet.

Again, don't yell at me, send Michael the complaints and deny HIS evidence if you want. I care more about the children that are victims and have had to endure vicious tirades from the GayStappo thugs and HomoFascist upset that the facts are coming out.
Remember , I walked away from the 25 year employment because of my Employer now forcing workers to morally and Financially support the Child-abuse and quasi-pedophilia in public along with the Hamas-friendly group that WILL NOT denouce the gays murdered in public within Gaza because they have a shared enemy.

I'm not denying someone to be a Pedophilie , but when they act-out on that desire and raped little grils and boys in the shower....it then becomes a social issue and Crime that should be exposed for the ugly face it has. This means NO legal dispensations from the Laws for Muslims and gay males.

The cop in this situation really screwed up. I cover some of that here:

http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2012/01/playing-catch-up.html

Working on another post showing how deep the problem goes and how simple is the solution.

@ ala sux

If you are going to accuse me of something, I suggest you use the facts.

I did not "attack" you over anything. I asked you what your fascination was was with "gay". Every comment you wrote had something about gays in it even when the original topic did not mention homosexuals.

Prior to that and under several different monikers you used the Atlas Shrugs forum to bash homosexuals, particularly the Toronto gay pride parade until you were harassed off or banned from the site.

Here, you continued to post almost every comment with some sort of gay reference and I continued to remind you that this is not the forum to bash gays and suggested you join Stormfront where they enjoy that sort of thing. And you never answered my question about the inclusion of some gay reference in almost everything you posted.

You then began to add feminists to your hate list with every post.

Under pressure from me to clean up your act you began using this phrase: "Homophobic/misogynistic/pedophile prophet." a way you thought you could introduce the gay theme into the topic in an acceptable manner.

Your problem is you don't like being caught out at your game.

And BTW I have documentation to back up my claims.

Oh and notice how once again "Ala Sux" takes an article with no mention of homosexuality and turns it into another opportunity to write something negative about something gay.

@Thomas-h

"I, in contrast to others here(most notably "When-Pigs-Fly" whose sarcasm-detecting powers are legendary - no doubt due to his widely admired intellectual brilliance, acumen and wit repeatedly demonstrated here)have failed to spot such hint."

I was simply making a statement of fact that obviously touched a self-esteem nerve of yours. In fact the comment was not directed at you at all. Next time you might want to be sure that someone is actually attacking you before you expose your nasty , sarcastic side?

BTW, I agree with you that it is most helpful to use the .../sarc off tag when using sarcasm in a post.

Note how I'm against gays just because I want to stop the obsene and overt male nudity in front of children by one group of people that the Police DO NOT stop because of the new Homophobia of Lower Expectations and islamophobia where the QuAIA pro-Hamas group can freely march as the hamas thugs in gaza murder gays in public.
The video posted at the top for the muslim that attacks the Christians is very relevant to child-abuse and Pedophilia because once the muslim hears the truth that Muhammed raped a 9 year old girl, the muslim goes nuts.

The majority a pedophilia is done by heterosexuals, but they are about 98% of the Population.
Lets look at Honour killings , muslims are about 17% of the Worlds population of the aassumed 7 billion people.
BUT....97% of those Honour killings are done by Muslims, and it gets worse because 17/1 X 1/2 = 8.5% of the muslims as males and almost all Honour killings are done by male Muslims that claim to emulate and adore Muhammed.
Thus, muslim men do about 95% of all Honour killings on earth while Sikh's are in the balance along with the odd Cultural members in accepted Honour killing nations.


I predict that Pamella will be on the Michael Coren(Arena) show this year and Michael will bring up the dirty secret about islamic Pedophilia on US soil, AND the dirty secret of Sex-Tourism Nation used by canadian pedophilies to vacation in islamic nation to have sex with little girls. If pamella is opposed to me agreeing with Michael about the homo-erotica and public child-abuse during the gay parade as Michael has written about in canada for many years now.... please tell her show her disdain for Coren's OP-Ed's on the Church sex scandal and gay connection by refusing to go back on his Sun TV Agenda show.

Iran,Saudi Arabia and other OIC nations sanction the pedophilia for heterosexual sex with girls as does Afghanistan. If Pamella wants me to had compassion and concerns over the endless battles to attack israel, then at least she could show some equal outrage and anger over the islamic Child-abuse and sanctioned Pedophilia which Coren talked about in the last few years.

Everyone please listen to the 4:00 minute mark where Coren makes it clear that the church crisis was because the Liberals wanted Employment Equity that forced Catholics to accept gay priests that lead to the Sex scandal where the vast majority of Victims were BOYS or yound males while the Priests kept that gay partner on the side and put the boys at risks for AIDS.
Penn State now has the pedophilie crisis, the Toronto maple Leafs Hockey Club had a pedophilie crisis by male workers which later on cause the suicide of one victim that went public, M.Cruze jumped off the Bloor/Danforth bridge to his death that forced new Sudcide-barriers to be retro-fitted.

The lies don't work any more because if the male/gay population is half of the homosexual population based on the alleged 2-3% of all the populations as a mean number....then it makes no sense for the disproportionate numbers for arrests and scandals that can be traced to men2boy rapes.
Females are about 51% of the population and yet commit the vast majority of infacides or Child-murders, of those murders ( like susan smith) the overwhelming cases are females related to the baby or child.

I guess this make me a Homphobic/Misogynistic/pedophobe for standing up for chidren that are victims of islamic pedophile, female killers, and gay priests or Coaches that rape boys.
As for heterosexual pedophiles, I agree with jesus that these monsters will one day beg to be tossed in a lake with a stone around thier necks than face the wrath for harming one child.


I'm on the side of Christ to protect children, it's sad the Pamella appears to infer that people like me should be banned form her opinion/comment section. When the Nazi's invanded Poland in September of 1939 it was my Mother that signed up for Service in canada as a CWAC since canada was linked to he U.K.. She didn't wait for a concensus to prove the nazi's were bad for the World.
And now it's my turn to expose islam and the pathetic allies in has in the West that think they will be spared from Jihad because the leftists have a shared-hatred for the jews or white males in general. I won't wait for the CBC or even Robert to form a concensus that Sex-tourism and heterosexual-pedophilia is at a crisis-level in canada while being abetting by the leftists that will not condemn all forms of pedophiles.
My Mother didn't hate germans or get the label of a Germanophobe just for taking action in 1939 , she later on ended up Building Bombers (400+)in 1942 in Toronto and then in 1944 aided the American's with their Drafting plans for the P-38's assembled overseas but had to be reviewed for all the Blue Prints so the parts matched once the P-38 got to the ETO.

"I'm on the side of Christ to protect children:"

You're nothing more than a Christian hypocrite and hater and this is NOT the forum for your hatred. And FYI, Christ who is the source of the Golden Rule would absolutely NOT approve of your hateful behavior. If you continue I will forward my documentation to Robert Spencer and ask that you be banned.

BTW Pamela is one smart gal and she was absolutely correct in banning you from her site.
And I think Robert is too smart to let you get away with it here once it's brought to his attention.


"Dont bow down to statues", the statue of LIBERTY is un Islamic, the 'stone' in Mecca isn't?
RAA

"I was simply making a statement of fact that obviously touched a self-esteem nerve of yours."

My comment about your comment was not addressed to you, but John - and not because, as you fantasize, it has touched my "self esteem nerve" (what the hell is that,exactly?), but because I found it ridiculous.
Now, not everything ridiculous always merits derision, but when it is authored by someone I remember for his dishonesty, stupidity and vulgarity I allow myself a bit of fun.
Otherwise, congratulations on your figuring out I have been sarcastic praising your intellectual brilliance, acumen and wit...

"For awhile i was attcked by when-pigs-fly to get a label of a homophobe because I pointed out the fact that the Church sex-scandal was tie to homosexual-pedophiles and the bent towards the homo-erotica."

when-pigs-fly attacked me too in the past for expressing an opinion that homosexuality is perversion of nature.
According to him, those that hold such opinion, should not be allowed to publish on JW, but express it on neo-nazi sites. (He obviously doesn't consider the possibility that some nazi homosexuals may object to it as vehemently as he does)


thomas:

"BTW Pamela is one smart gal and she was absolutely correct in banning you from her site.
And I think Robert is too smart to let you get away with it here once it's brought to his attention."


I can't belive that Pamella has a PR person/Thought-Police filter to deem who should be banned in public forums.
Am I too infer that Pamella is Pro Child-abuse/Pedophilia only when it's same-gender rapes?????
That is sick , i don't want any child to be harmed and I certainly will NOT condone some child rapes is the perv is Muammhed and a 9 year old girl, or those sick Priests that wanted access to boys and yound men.
I now see that Pamella ia obsessed with one isssue only and i will delete her Youtube link from the Browser because it makes no sense that israel allows a gay Parade that I agree to and yet when I mention the Gazan murders of gay by hamas and then tie it to the Pro-hamas QuAIA group in Toronto.....I'm somehow a hater and homophobe.

Fine....let islam and Hamas slaughter every homosexual on Earth if that will makes Pigs Fly happy so that all the pedophilia will be islamic for heterosexual rapes by 54 year old men and 9 year old girls.
Leaving islam????, don't, pedophilia will be legal one day if Pigs Fly gets his way to ban any hate-speech about adults having sex will kids as being wrong because it will be Islamophobic.

...hmm,..but why do you address all of it to me?
The excerpt you quote at the beginning of your comment was not taken from anything I have written. Do you confuse me per chance with when-pigsfly?
Not a very pleasant thing to consider...

@ Thomas-H

I'll be generous and write your nastiness off to a case of very low self -esteem.

I don't care if you were addressing John or not when you ridiculed me, it was an underhanded, passive-aggressive attack on my character & abilities that needed to be acknowledged and dealt with. My innocuous remark, the one that offended you so much was posted in defense of John. The fact that you had such an extreme reaction to it speaks volumes. You might want to have a look at that.

You said "when-pigs-fly attacked me too in the past for expressing an opinion that homosexuality is perversion of nature."

This sounds like it might be yet another exaggerated response to a remark I might have made. Please provide the exact details & links to back up your claims as I have no recollection of this interaction. Regardless, unlike you, I seldom attack anyone so you will have to provide proof if you do not want to look like a liar.

So, you can continue to be offended by a remark that had nothing to do with you or you can be a big boy, grow a thicker skin and carry on. I don't care, but either provide proof to back up your claims or shut the hell up.

Other than that, there is no need for me to interact with you further, there's nothing more I can do to reveal your innate nastiness as you have done a perfect job of exposing it yourself.

@ "ala sux"

I meant what I said the last time.

And whether you address me directly or passive-aggressively by talking "about" me to someone else , I will consider it a direct assault.

The unspeakable evil the United States of America, England and other Western democracies did unto the Serb Christians. The evil.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

I'll be generous and write your nastiness off to a case of very low self -esteem.

First of all what is nasty about calling spade a spade? And why to attribute it (the alleged nastiness) to such nebulous, ill defined, Oprah-esque “psychological concept” when a much simpler and clearer explanation is at hand;
Listen, I chuckled at your silly comment, not so much because it was silly, but because I don’t like you. In fact I despise you for in the past accusing me of bigotry and hate culminating in an insult suggesting I have something in common with Nazism. All that because I expressed my opinion about the practice of homosexuality.
Now have you, or have you not done so?
Another thing : where I come from (Poland) to suggest someone is Nazi is not taken lightly and had you said it to my face standing next to me I would have done everything to try to kick your teeth in.
I don't know if that would have proven my low, (or your high) self esteem, but I know it would have felt good.


Let's see your proof .

Hi, since this thread is nearing the end, and the topic has veered somewhat into the topic of homosexuality, then I wanted to offer some food for thought on the subject to those who may be interested ...

Here is the link: http://carm.org/bible-homosexuality

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What does the Bible say about homosexuality?

There are those who like to say that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. Various verses are cited (out of context), and the verses that people use to show that homosexuality is wrong are explained away. The world wants to change God's words and meanings into something more suitable to its sinful desires. Nevertheless, the truth stands: the Bible condemns homosexuality as a sin. Let's look at what it says.

•Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

•Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

•1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

•Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It goes against the created order of God who created Adam, a man, and then made Eve, a woman. This is what God has ordained as the normal means by which we carry out his command to fill the earth (Gen. 1:28). What God has set up is what is right -- not what sinful man sets up.

However, unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: they are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:24). As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing, and then they go and promote it and condemn others who don't participate in their sin. So, without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation. Without salvation, there is only damnation in eternal hell.

What should be the Christian's response to the Homosexual?

Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that we cannot love him (or her) or pray for him (her). Homosexuality is a sin, and like any other sin it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross and repented of.

As a Christian, you should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same as you would for any other person in sin. The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he is in grave sin. Therefore, you should show him the same dignity as anyone else with whom you come in contact. However, this does not mean that you are to approve of his sin. Don't compromise your witness for a socially acceptable opinion that is void of godliness. Instead, stand firm in the truth that God has revealed, love him/her biblically, and pray for his salvation.

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I wholly agree with Matt Slicks essay. Much love :)


Sorry, I was going by the timeline and maing a statement about how intolerant many of those people are that demand Tolerance from others.
When I retort on a serious issue I often speak in the 3rd person to show my observation of an event and the compare it to past examples for a pattern to how the brain works to cause a really odd responses driven by a possible Denial,Paranoid,self-hatred, and or a overall disdain and contempt for Society in general.

Someone had semared me by alleging I was booted off another Comment site for anti-gay rants with not links to the topic i was replying to, then I was threatened by someone to have me reported to Robert to be banned form JW comments too for hate speech towards homosexuals in the guise of islaimc pedophilia.

Again, sorry....I thought you would read your last reply to my comment and connect my new response since we touched on how one particular Commenter jumps to the defense
when anyone tells the truth about the dirty secrets within
the Homo-erotica sect of the gay culture which is a minority as Michael Coren mention in the video I posted.
I should have made the link, and the use then latin
'IE:' prior to my new example of how my comments get twisted .

The reason I don't attack someone directly on comment sites is because it's my onus to defend my view and not to waste my time choping down the other view, this because the truth can stand on itsown . This tactic has worked well for Robert in debates because he can cite a globally accepted Human Right and then hold up a mirror to the Imam or Cleric to show what islam's view and practise is for the same Human Right.

Note that in the Video to this article the Muslim attacks the man who shouts out the truth that Muhammed had sex with a child,and while this may have been normal back then, islam seems to be the only faith on Earth sanctioning this pedophilia as in Iran abd Saudi Arabia.


For the record, my comments are valid and linked to Jihad and the islamic supremacy thugs because in Toronto,Canada , have aligned themselves with the feminists and anti-Christian leftist/Liberals that think they will be spared from the genecide once the Jihad start to purge the Earth of 6'000'000'000 infidels.
And my legal case against my Employer is based on the evidence where the Corporation posted their 2009 Diverstiy Policy on the Internet and said it was tied to Employment to morally and Financially endorse it. Where I objected was when the Corporation kept funding one Public event that was exposed as having a Pro-Hamas group in it an had previously allowed a group linked to NAMBLA (but changed their name on the Banners).
The part that Robert and Pamella might be interested in is how I had uncovered 3 Corporations that have Business dealing in islamic nations known for Sex-Tourism ( remember the geek that claimed he killed the Ramsey Girl, he did it to get out of jail as a pedophile caught in the illegal sex-trade), the other paradoxical-irony is that my Empolyer has the nerve to brag about their "Children's" fund for local Charity work.

Maybe I'm the only one that can connect the dots of Evil and deceit , but Corporations should not be able tie the Emploment-Contract Terms to enabling or endorsing events where the Laws are broken for Child-abuse and public nudity , then for 3 years in arow a Pro-hamas group take part in the event when the Corp.'s own Policy claims they are Gay-Friendly for the workplace and fund a Local AIDS clinic.
The Jewish Community stage a protest outside one of the Sponsors Offices to alert people so they could protest with their wallets and not Jihad as we see from the Misunderstanders of one particular faith I don't have to mention. The RCMP had just busted a huge Kiddie-porn ring and importers of Kiddie-porn photos , they didn't ask the sexual-preference of each perv because the Law was Broken and Children were harmed.

This Law should be applied evenly for all Crimes against children no matter the Faith or Gender attraction to the child if it is a sexual assault. And that Cop in Tampa had the duty to stop that ranting Muslim who incited and escalated the problem where children could have seen the assault or been exposes to hate-speech by the muslim.
The Police in Toronto should have also stopped the Child-abuse and quasi-pedophilia displays in public since there were chidlren present and no other group would have gotten away with exposing their penis at little girls, and if you want the proof.....the link in below or just do a Goole-search for TNT+PRIDE+nudity+images and see it there.
The QuAIA pro-hamas banners can be found as well, but the sick part is the PRIDE-Police that stand by and allow it as if pedophilia and child-abuse is part of the gay culture.

http://www.google.ca/search?q=TNT+PRIDE+images&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=fZkQT5HHM-b00gGT4dmmAw&sqi=2&ved=0CCEQsAQ&biw=1468&bih=813#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=TNT+PRIDE+parade+nudity+images&oq=TNT+PRIDE+parade+nudity+images&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=11000l17204l0l19047l14l13l0l1l0l1l266l2032l0.9.3l12l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=51b7da707ce6e37f&biw=1468&bih=813


When the Police are now providing Security for the islamofascist pro-hamas groups, and those breaking the Laws for protecting Children.....Obama appears to be wanting to cause a Civil War so CAIR and the Brotherhood can hold up islam as the answer. Too bad Obama has yet to see what the Arab islamists do to the Black African muslims during this Arab-Spring or in Sudan and Rhwandi/Somalia and on and on.

BTW
One of the Sponsors for the PRIDE parade is a medical
org. that deals with Mental-Illness and Drug-Addiction or Bi-Polar disorder.
This I would take as an insult to link Homosexualality to a Mental-Illness or that AIDS is from dirty needles because of the Drug-Addiction rates among gays because Toronto's Needle Exchanges and Drug addiction support Clinics mainly in the gay Village.
It's not my opinion for these facts , so i think poeple better look inside themselves and ask if they are on the sides for protecting Children for islamic child-abuse, and children from all other forms of abuse or sexual assualt crimes.

Not interested but thanks for the effort. Much love back:)


Here's the Youtube for TD bank where many pro-israel people turned out to protest how TD bank Chose to fund PRIDE as the underwriter when Toronto pulled it's funding under the City's Human Rights rules for Grants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HBes1Yp4iA

The Banks supporting the Pro-hamas QuAIA group have made a big mistake because QuAIA is overtly Anti-Jewish
(new term is anti-israel) to attack israel just as the C.U.P.E.(public union) Union is Anti-israel but refuses to denouce hamas murdering gays in gaza by a cruel and painfull death to cut-off their facial skin with a razor blade .
Pamella should go public NOW and take a Stance if she agrees with me to stop all child-abuse and jail all pedophilies ,or if I offended her because I agree with Michael Coren in his video where Coren tells the truth about the Church scandals and Teachers profession that has 4x the Churches rate for pedophiles.

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