Now when will the United States follow suit? Probably not as long as Barack Obama is President; after all, these attacks are happening with increasing frequency, and yet after every one, U.S. officials affirm our commitment to keep training these jihadis-in-waiting.
"France deplores 'assassination' of troops as it threatens to pull out of Afghanistan," by Ben Farmer and Henry Samuel in the Telegraph, January 20 (thanks to all who sent this in):
France has suspended all operations with the Afghan army and threatened to withdraw its forces early from the country after an Afghan soldier shot dead four French troops.Alain Juppé, France's foreign minister, said the unarmed soldiers had been victims of an "assassination," and President Nicolas Sarkozy ordered an immediate review of security for troops training Afghan soldiers.
The killings during a training exercise at the Gwan military base in Kapisa province followed a similar attack last month when an Afghan soldier shot and killed two members of the French Foreign Legion.
Friday's attack wounded a further 15 and brought the total French death toll in the Afghan campaign to 82. The Afghan attacker was captured alive.
Scores of Nato troops have been shot dead in recent years by their Afghan partners raising fears of widespread Taliban infiltration and underlining the tense relations on the ground between the allies.
Gérard Longuet, defence minister, and the army's chief of staff are due in Afghanistan to investigate recruitment policy in the Afghan army, Mr Sarkozy said.
"If we are not satisfied with the level of security, we will draw the consequences," he said. "I will go so far as to order an early withdrawal of our troops. We are there as friends of the Afghan people. We cannot accept that an Afghan soldier fires on French troops."...
Alain Juppé, France's foreign minister, said the unarmed soldiers had been victims of an "assassination," and President Nicolas Sarkozy ordered an immediate review of security for troops training Afghan soldiers.
Hey, Sarko -- you don't have to conduct a review; I can do it for you:
1. Your troops were unarmed. What kind of weapons discipline is that? In a war zone, no less.
2. If one wog can kill four frogs, your troops were evidently in "Condition White." They need to learn the color code for combative mental conditioning. See
http://www.frfrogspad.com/color.htm
A short summary, from the late great Jeff Cooper, father of the Modern Technique of the Pistol:
"In [Condition] White you are unprepared and unready to take lethal action. If you are attacked in White you will probably die unless your adversary is totally inept.
In [Condition] Yellow you bring yourself to the understanding that your life may be in danger and that you may have to do something about it.
In [Condition] Orange you have determined upon a specific adversary and are prepared to take action which may result in his death, but you are not in a lethal mode.
In [Condition] Red you are in a lethal mode and will shoot if circumstances warrant."
3. Hence: No soldier should ever be unarmed, even at the latrine or on KP. Maintain a high state of alertness. And don't trust an Afghan any further than you can spit.
Just as well to leave and abandon this lost war that should never have been started.
this war is perhaps to single most justified of all wars. we had to go and kick their ass. otherwise they would blow us up again. however that said those a... are in the 6th century we should have kicked thier asses and then left. staying there 10 years or a 100 years is not going to make a difference. savages are always savages. My own son is a Marine and out there.
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I agree with Miriam. We should have gone in and really fought to win this war. We should have been smart enough to block the escape route at Tora Bora instead of watching the enemy trail into Pakistan. We should leave devestation behind where ever we go to say, 'Don't mess with the USA.'
We should only help nations that have decency and fairness as their core values, not stoning women and using them as breeding stock. The Taliban have not infiltrated the Afgan Army the Afgan soldiers hate the NATO alliance troops. We don't think alike or have the same values. They suck and guess what! They will always be Afgans and never any better.
The contempt in islam for non-muslims is a big part of why this happened (and continues to happen).
If we look at the kind of people who sign up to become ANA soldiers, we would find in general that they are poorly educated and in general owe their loyalty and allegiance to their family, tribe and ethnic grouping before their allegiance to the state.
When western troops come in to train them, there are three basic problems:
1) They are kufr, and thought of as being equivalent to dogs,
2) They don't understand the huge difference in the locals' ranking of personal loyalties,
3) They don't understand the importance of shame in muslim/Afghan society.
This leads to ANA soldiers under the command of trainers who they have less than no respect for, and who humiliate them (at least in their eyes) in front of everyone else when they misperform their military duties. When a soldier is disciplined in western military forces, they are publically called out and punished in front of everyone. This is very countercultural for the ANA soldier, raised on the concept that their honour is destroyed by a public exposé of their faults. A western soldier will get over their being yelled at and perhaps being punished - it is likely that an ANA soldier will not, and it will stoke their feeling of resentment. Even a kufr giving an order to a muslim is theologically distasteful to a muslim.
An ANA soldier may also be away from their primary support structure: their family and clan. Surrounded by similar soldiers who each feel no loyalty to him, an ANA soldier feels even more isolated. In the western military, soldiers (in general) value highly the loyalty of their comrades, as well as the loyalty of those above and below them in rank, a feeling that is close to that of a family. The best ANA troops are those for whom a similar loyalty to their fellow soldiers has been built.
Resentments can build up until until what might seem a trivial argument (for western troops) suddenly turns into a massacre.
There are some good troops in the ANA who have managed to readjust their loyalties and allegiances to the ANA and their fellow soldiers. The problem is statistically there are not anywhere nearly enough of them that have.
Western military trainers are quite successful in training troops that have the western mind and philosophy. Much less success is gained from trying to train troops that resent you because you are: an infidel, not family, not clan, not ethnic group, are humiliating these troops in front of others (or even in private), you don't understand, and you are in the way of the traditional soldiering of being undisciplined brigands.
If you finally add in the Taliban, who have infiltrated the ANA, you have soldiers who might feel they have more in common with their supposed enemies: the Taliban, than their western military mentors and trainers.
I can see nothing that is going to change this in the short term nor even the long term since this is a societal problem, not a training issue. Training Afghan troops to adopt the professionalism of western troops I fear will take more than a few lifetimes, time which we don't have, as it would have to create a caste of professional soldier families whose loyalties and values differ from every other part of their society.
The French soldiers - non-Muslim soldiers - will be needed, desperately, **at home**, sooner or later, if the French intend to survive as a nation.
The large and aggressive Mohammedan colonies within France are growing more dangerous and destructive by the day.
Laws such as the burqa ban are a start, the tiniest first step toward a pushback: but will only be effective if enforced, if necessary by the instant use of overwhelming force if the Mohammedan Mob swarms out of the mosque/s.
*All* French laws need to be enforced, rigorously. Muslims must not be allowed to get away with anything.
And in making sure that they don't, I think the army will be needed, sooner or later.
Beyond that, there is the 'unrest' that will explode when at some time in the not-too-distant future - as I think perfectly probable, the way the winds are blowing - France screws up the courage to 1. stop all further Mohammedan immigration into france and 2. starts evicting Mohammedans from France, beginning with the out-and-out criminals, the jihad inciters, the sharia-pushers and those who are caught practising one or more of the many aspects of sharia (such as polygyny) that grossly contravene French law and custom.
French out of Afghanistan, yes; for trying to build or fix anything in that sharia-crazed hellhole is a total waste of time.
But at the same time - let's start hearing more and more non-Muslim French calling for an end to the Mohammedan occupation in France!
Mohammedans in Afghanistan have been killing French soldiers in sneak attacks.
Mohammedans in France are just as dangerous. Ilan Halimi and Sebastian Selam, Jewish citizens of France, found out just how murderous and treacherous Mohammedans can be.
Western governments out of Muslim countries. Muslims out of western countries. It's as simple as that.
General Casey: diversity shouldn't be casualty of Fort Hood
But but, this French act will destroy our reputation and support for "diversity".
It will come to that.
On other sites the French are being criticized as quitters and cowards. Personally, I think they are being very sensible.
Canada's involvement has resulted in the largest number of fatal casualties for any single Canadian military mission since the Korean War. I wish Canada would follow France's lead and get the hell out.