Islamic scholars approve "electronic jihad"

There are many means of jihad, they note. Or in other words, a way to stick it to the infidel is a way to stick it to the infidel.

Scholars differ on circumstances for acceptable use, and its position in the pecking order of means of jihad, but are in agreement in principle that it can and ought to be used as a weapon of war. Electronic jihad is ultimately familiar destructive behavior, only applied to an electronic medium instead of detonating a truck bomb. Imagine if that ingenuity, resourcefulness, and planning were actually applied to something constructive. "Scholars speak out in favor of “electronic Jihad” against the enemy," from Al Arabiya, January 29:

In light of the increasing support of “the electronic Jihad” and the divergence of views regarding this subject, Islamic scholars have underlined their support for this new phenomenon, arguing that “any attempt to spite the enemy and endorse religion is legitimate”. They consider that Muslim youth involved in this phenomenon are in fact leading a jihad”.

But what do those who refuse to support this phenomenon have to say? They believe that “bringing down the enemy’s electronic devices could help in realizing certain objectives in some instances, but it can also be harmful if done at the wrong time.

They noted that there is “a large number of people in the world who sympathize with Israel and might get involved in this battle, which would widen the circle of damage.”

On the other hand, Sheikh Fahd Bin Saad Al Jahni, a professor of sharia graduate studies, says that “in Islam, the Jihad is a broad concept that could be defined according to the interpretation of the and texts that cite the jihad. There are many types of jihad: the personal jihad, the jihad by money, and verbal Jihad. The last type includes the intellectual jihad, jihad by composition and by the call to God”.

Al Jahni added that “any attempt to spite the enemy and empower the religion must be conducted by legitimate means and according to Muslim rules. Therefore, religion could be widely empowered through electronic websites. This is what some people call “the electronic Jihad”. Thus, the terminology is correct, but it is the definition that matters as well as the extent to which the concept respects the legitimate procedure.”

“Therefore, I believe that the young Muslims who are striving to take advantage of this wide electronic window and fight the perverted ideology or shut down obscene websites and the websites of those who offended and dishonored the people of Islam and put hand on their holy sites like the Zionist aggressors, are using all legitimate means and are indeed leading a jihad provided they don’t exceed the limit of God in their rivalry,” Al Jahni said.

Moreover, Abdullah Al Aalwit, a Muslim law researcher, pointed to the fact that electronic jihad means “destroying the enemy’s electronic devices or surreptitiously taking valuable information from these devices.” He confirmed that “the electronic jihad, like any other type of ihad, is legitimate in determined instances and might be harmful if used at the wrong time and in the wrong circumstances.”

“However, it is clear that the nation’s condition does not allow any type of Jihad against any of its enemies because our enemies are way more advanced than we are in all kinds of fields. If an electronic war shall erupt, it is expected to have serious repercussions due to the big number of those who sympathize with Israel in the world and who might enter this battle, which would widen the circle of damage,” he added.

Al Aalwit advised that people should “take this factor in consideration because sympathizers with Israel exceed us in number and in their scientific and technological skills. We are not discouraging this type of jihad because the true original jihad is led by fight and struggle and any other attempt is simply a means to exert pressure and strangle the enemy rather than a jihad. The term “jihad” here is used as a metaphor, and since electronic wars are means of pressure, they do not conform to the known provisions of jihad”.

“In addition, the electronic Jihad is immoral because it is similar to theft, spying and embezzlement. Jihad is not fought in this manner, as if we are spreading drugs in the enemy’s society. Electronic jihad only serves in times of war when fighters want to disrupt the enemy’s communication devices. However, we are not in war and electronic battles under these circumstances are considered as a type of corruption.”

The Saudis in particular know they can only encourage freelance jihad so much, lest it be turned against the Saudi establishment, electronic jihad included.

On a larger scale, supporters of the electronic jihad have raised their tone. Newspapers reported the announcement of Sheikh Jamal Kotb, chairman of the Fatwa Committee in Al Azhar, who advocated for the confrontation of the Israeli piracy “to prevent them from attacking us,” although he refused “to harm them if they did not attack first”. Dr. Mustafa Mourad, professor at Al Azhar University, said that “the electronic jihad is a type of jihad because jihad is not limited to military weapons or any other type of painful means. Under jihad, it is possible to use any tool that might fulfill the goal behind the attack against the enemies of God in response to their attempts to violate our rights and seize our holy sites.”...
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I guess the USA will react by issuing even more student visas to Arabs so they can take high quality computer science courses. Wonderful.

Electronic jihad, huh? Bringing a knife to a gun fight, again, you stupid, stupid people.

This is going to fun to watch!

Clearly the best way to evaluate a religion is to examine the lives of the founder and those of the first few generations of disciples. Mohammed was a murderer of political rivals, beheaded hundreds of his jihad prisoners, and stole a wife from a relative. Need we say more?

They noted that there is “a large number of people in the world who sympathize with Israel and might get involved in this battle, which would widen the circle of damage.”
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What—the waging of Jihad might lead to resistance by the Infidels? Why, those "filthy Kuffar"!

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On the other hand, Sheikh Fahd Bin Saad Al Jahni, a professor of sharia graduate studies, says that “in Islam, the Jihad is a broad concept that could be defined according to the interpretation of the and texts that cite the jihad. There are many types of jihad: the personal jihad, the jihad by money, and verbal Jihad. The last type includes the intellectual jihad, jihad by composition and by the call to God”.
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Of course, that "intellectual Jihad" might be one of their weak points...especially with the Islamic hatred of reason.

But hey—if you can't reasonably convince someone of the rightness of your position, you can always hack their websites or sabotage their cellphone networks. And if *that* doesn't work, you can just resort to tried and true methods like suicide bombing!

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Al Jahni added that “any attempt to spite the enemy and empower the religion must be conducted by legitimate means and according to Muslim rules. Therefore, religion could be widely empowered through electronic websites. This is what some people call “the electronic Jihad”. Thus, the terminology is correct, but it is the definition that matters as well as the extent to which the concept respects the legitimate procedure.”
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Don't you love Muslim "scruples"? Blowing up civilians, beheading journalists, and stabbing babies to death are all perfectly Islamic—but disrupting internet sites is *fraught* with potential ethical issues...

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“However, it is clear that the nation’s condition does not allow any type of Jihad against any of its enemies because our enemies are way more advanced than we are in all kinds of fields.
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*Ya think*? Might have something to do with the weakness of that whole "intellectual Jihad" thing.

By the way, I like to think that we are waging "electronic anti-Jihad" on this and other anti-Jihad sites.

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If an electronic war shall erupt, it is expected to have serious repercussions due to the big number of those who sympathize with Israel in the world and who might enter this battle, which would widen the circle of damage,” he added.

Al Aalwit advised that people should “take this factor in consideration because sympathizers with Israel exceed us in number and in their scientific and technological skills.
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Ha ha ha! That's right—are Muslims *sure* they want to go toe to toe with the creators of Stuxnet?

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“In addition, the electronic Jihad is immoral because it is similar to theft, spying and embezzlement...
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What *utter crap*. Muslims use theft as a form of Jihad against Infidels *all the time*. The imposition of Jizya, "street" Jihad, and piracy are all theft. And why not? The baleful founder of Islam was himself a caravan raider.

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On a larger scale, supporters of the electronic jihad have raised their tone. Newspapers reported the announcement of Sheikh Jamal Kotb, chairman of the Fatwa Committee in Al Azhar, who advocated for the confrontation of the Israeli piracy “to prevent them from attacking us,” although he refused “to harm them if they did not attack first”. Dr. Mustafa Mourad, professor at Al Azhar University, said that “the electronic jihad is a type of jihad because jihad is not limited to military weapons or any other type of painful means...
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Al Azhar is often referred to as the Muslim world's most prestigious university. Yet *this* is the sort of malarky they spend their time debating.

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Imagine if that ingenuity, resourcefulness, and planning were actually applied to something constructive.
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Imagine, indeed.

Marisol,
To me it looks like there is a mistake -- perhaps in translation -- when the story quotes Al Aalwit using the word "discouraging." The sentence preceding and the three sentences following the sentence with "discouraging," show that "encouraging" would have made coherent what Al Aalwit was saying, whereas "discouraging" makes nonsense of it:

...take this factor in consideration because sympathizers with Israel exceed us in number and in their scientific and technological skills. We are not discouraging [should read "encouraging," I suspect] this type of jihad because the true original jihad is led by fight and struggle and any other attempt [like electronic attempts] is simply a means to exert pressure and strangle the enemy rather than a jihad. The term “jihad” here [in the case of electronic attacks] is used as a metaphor [in other words, electronic attacks strictly speaking are not really jihad, says Al Aalwit], and since electronic wars are means of pressure, they do not conform to the known provisions of jihad.

In addition, the electronic Jihad is immoral because it is similar to theft, spying and embezzlement. [Al Aalwit acceded there to the expression "electronic Jihad" merely for convenience and not because he believes electronic attacks count as jihad. By accepting the expression "electronic Jihad," Al Aalwit avoids having to keep improvising alternative expressions like "means of pressure" or "strangling the enemy," which apparently distinguish electronic attacks from Jihad Proper in Al Aalwit's sophistical outlook.] Jihad is not fought in this manner, as if we are spreading drugs in the enemy’s society. Electronic jihad only serves in times of war when fighters want to disrupt the enemy’s communication devices. However, we are not in war and electronic battles under these circumstances are considered as a type of corruption."

The above quoted context strongly suggests that Al Aalwit said "We are not encouraging," not, "We are not discouraging...".

Is there anything inherently appealing in Islam?

ah islam...what's not to hate about it

Specifications for electronic Islam, straight from the box.

Moral capacity: 0 kilobytes
Destructive capacity: Terraflops if you allow it
No motherboard: just a motherf***** called Mohammed

Comes bundled with an app called Sharia - guaranteed to destroy hope and freedom, globally

Plug in and play. (Plug in and pray?)

"...shut down obscene websites and the websites
of those who offended and dishonored the people of Islam"

vs.

The Muslims can only censor the truth (i.e. Qur'an),
because they have NO counter-argument(s) to it.


http://schnellmann.org/the-muslim-war-against-the-west.html
(video) The Muslim war against the West


The Annihilation of Civilizations

“...Islam is at war with Kafirs (kuffar), and Kafirs are trying to “nice” their way out of destruction. Islam is at war, we are at nice. Mohammed has a dream that is coming true while we sleep.”


“in Islam, the Jihad is a broad concept that could be defined according to the interpretation of the and texts that cite the jihad. There are many types of jihad:

ARMED JIHAD - The objective is not only to cause death and destruction , such as 9/11, 7/7 and Beslan, but also to force the kuffars to waste vast amounts of money and military manpower on security, thus furthering the Economic Jihad.

CENSORSHIP JIHAD - The Islamic belief system is primitive, tribal and illogical and cannot withstand the light of rational analysis . All criticism of Islam must therefore be shut down.

CORRUPTION JIHAD - The objective is to undermine kuffar public confidence in institutions such as the police, medical profession etc.

CULTURAL JIHAD Jihadists try to destroy infidels' monuments, sacred sites, heritage, culture and works of art.

DEMOGRAPHIC JIHAD - The objective is for jihadists to gain power by breeding faster than other sections of the population. Jihadist women are breeding machines who produce vast numbers of children and now that polygamy has been legalised jihadist men are free to import up to four wives each.

DOMINATION JIHAD - Jihadists try to dominate public space in the cities they are overrunning.

ECONOMIC AND FINANCIAL JIHAD - The objective is to weaken the economies of kuffar nations by whatever means are possible, including welfare parasitism , crime and breeding of large useless swarms of inbred retards.

EDUCATIONAL JIHAD - Jihadists are seeking to remove non-Islamic subjects from the school curriculum and to Islamify schools by introducing jihadist observances and revisions of history.

FOREST FIRE JIHAD - Jihadists cause death and environmental devastation by setting fire to forests in Australia and Israel.

HIT AND RUN JIHAD - Cars are used as weapons in 'accidents' to kill kuffars.

HUMILIATION JIHAD - Islam is a culture obsessed with honor/shame and domination/subjugation. Islam will therefore look for any opportunity to degrade and humiliate the kuffars, such as the popular 'jihad-snuff videos' where kuffars are made to beg for their lives and then ritually slaughtered anyway.

IMMIGRATION JIHAD - Jihadists are illegally swarming into Western Europe. Once established they bring in their very extended families by 'chain-migration' so that before you know it one jihadist has brought in his entire village.

INFILTRATION JIHAD - Similar to Corruption Jihad except that the objective is to infiltrate institutions in order to make them useful to jihadists.

INTIMIDATION JIHAD - Jihadists are quick to take offence at the slightest provovation . This makes the kuffars eager to appease their demands to avoid trouble. Of course appeasement only gives rise to further demands - give an inch and they'll take a mile.

LAWFARE OR LITIGATION JIHAD - Offended jihadists are very keen to sue kuffars on the slightest pretext. The objective is not necessarily to win the case but to harass the kuffars and force them to spend vast amounts of money on their legal defence.

MOSQUE-BLIGHT JIHAD - Having a mosque near you is about the worst form of property blight imaginable. Mosques act as the nuclei of jihadist ghettos around which ever-expanding no-go areas grow. Infidels are forced to sell their homes to jihadists at massively reduced prices by campaigns of intimidation.

NARCO JIHAD - Jihadists are the major suppliers of heroin. This trade supplies funding for jihad and helps destroy kuffar society.

SEXUAL JIHAD - Rape and paedophilia are and always have been essential weapons in jihad. Kuffar women and children are booty to be enjoyed by their conquerors. Paedophile abductions of kuffar children by jihadist pimps have become commonplace.

STREET JIHAD - Young kuffar boys, usually alone or in small groups, are set upon and viciously attacked by much larger groups of older youths and men. These crimes are usually hushed up by the media eg
Kriss Donald castrated, blinded and burned alive; Henry Webster skull smashed in three places and permanently brain-damaged, and many more only reported in the local press. Gays are particular targets for street jihad.

TOXIC JIHAD - Jihadists contaminate food to be served to kuffars with their feces and urine and human remains of their victims., plus mislabelled and dangerous food.
Latest - Water Supply and Salad bar jihad.

VICTIMHOOD JIHAD - Jihadist aggressors and supremacists usually try the role reversal trick. They claim victimhood for themselves and accuse their victims of 'racism', despite the fact that Islam is not a race.

More at http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2011/03/many-faces-of-jihad.html


? Intellectual Jihad ?. .that's a head-scratcher. .or should I say, zebiba-bumper. .

the thing that surprises me about this id that I would have thought that Jihad (promotion of Islam, denigration of non-Islam) by ANY means was always approved and encouraged BY DEFAULT.

. . I mean, joking apart, how can free thought develop when it is shackled by a doctrine that prohibits it from the get-go ? . .

The ultimate electronic jihad is an 'electro magnetic pulse nuke (EMP) detonated over America...That fries everything electrical and would lead to mass casualties...as a local example, an auto accident severed a power line also carrying cell phone and land line use, and 911 capabilities...Four four hours, emergency crews and police could not respond to fires, accidents, robberies, assaults or medical problems...The public was literally on their own...Fortunately, unlike a big EMP, cars still worked and many people still had power...That it is even possible for this to happen, especially coming from jihadists, is unacceptable...

High-teck Jihad ….

The sword of Muhammad has come a long way … now it is the mouse of Muhammad …

High-tech Islam

Remember the computer game that had a "boss" key, so that a single keystroke could flip the screen to a fake spreadsheet?
Porn sites will have a "jihad" key that puts up a fake hacking screen. After all, given access to the internat, what will young muslim males spend most of their time doing? Pretty much what they do now.

They're never going to stop. Muslims will never stop trying to take over everything. This is in keeping with all totalitariann ideologies which seek world domination eventually. Therefore, free peoples must never stop thwarting Islamic goals. The first step in this process is gaining accurate knowledge about the totalitarian ideology in question. This has begun with Islam over the past decade but far more people need to become knowledgeable about this religion. So far, the greatest disappointment here is that the large majority of the Western elites, whether in the media, the political world or academia, have failed miserably to grasp what they are up against. Fortunately, the rank and file of one Western nation after another is "getting" Islam more and more. I predict that this will continue and that eventually some of the old elites and many new elites will "get" Islam as well. Respecting the old elites who do, expect most of them to assert that they "got" Islam all along.

Ultimately, the only thing that all totalitarian ideologies respect is force. By force, I do not just mean military force, though this element of force is an imperative one, especially for purposes of deterrence. But force also includes resolute refusal, coming from psychological toughness, to abide by totalitarian demands or requests because diplomatic initiatives of whatever kind will be seen as evidence of weakness by any totalitarian, be they Marxist, fascist, Muslim or whoever.

We're in a new kind of Cold War, which, like the old Cold War, will sometimes get pretty hot. Patience is needed. This would include being careful not to despair and think all is lost when a particular battle in this new war is lost. A new containment strategy is needed, one that takes into account many things, not the least of them being that this new Cold War has a transnational character about it that is novel. Eventually, containment will very possibly be able to be abandoned with winning, rather than containing, being the goal. Collapse from within will be part of how a "win" will be achieved. This collapse within will occur for two reasons: 1) disillusionment by many Muslims themselves with their religion, particularly females, and 2) constant pressure from without by non-Muslims, the force element I mentioned above.

In the words of Winston Churchill, never, never, never give up. Permanent dispair is a disguised form of self-indulgence and must be avoided. Victory can be the only real goal. Defeat is not an option. Much to do, that's for sure.

I think it's all nonsense that Muslim need permission to carry out jihad against us from their "scholars". Regardless of what these so called Muslim scholars(oxymoron) or imamullahs say Muslims will will carry out their terror jihad in any or all forms against us. getting permission from their imams or scholars is just a ploy or facade and they will do what anything to please Mo/allah!

Ha, ha.. lol. I wonder if "mouse" is haram in Islam.

Dictionary of Islam: "Electronic Jihad. An inner spiritual struggle to make electrons behave and fight in the way of Allah."

I guess the scholars could not find any valid reasons in the Scriptures to forbid electronic jihad. Actually they could'nt even find reason, and that is the main problem with Islam. ;-)

Gabriel never told Mahound about alternating current, it's a sad thing, because if she had, Mahoundians would have to invent solar panels, a generator, copper wire, wall plugs, and the light bulb...It would have driven oil lamps out of business...Just think how different life would be in ancient Mecca if everyone had an electric fan...In fact, had not Allah interfered, Mahoundian electronic invention would by now be fantastic...But of course, Allah is not interested in fantastic, his specialty is slavery, and electricity is liberating...So he deliberately withheld the sacred knowledge of AC until Tesla came along and re-discovered it...and Edison re-discovered the light bulb...I say re-discovered because Allah knew about them all along, and elected to keep it to himself...

The keyword here is - jihad.

War on Islam - didn't come from anything George Bush did.

Under Islam's religious concepts - they were already in a state of war. Just that we had not noticed!

Perhaps those claiming to 'understand' Islam - can understand this.

Desperation is sinking in. Islam has been revealed on many levels. Unfortunately there are still many clueless people. Who are more concerned with their tiny little lives, than to realize it is under attack. TRUTH will win! Electronic Jihad is a way to control truth and stop the thought process. Too late Islam. By the way, we have kids who hack their way through military grade systems for fun. So, bring it.

Islam is
A rotten creed
For which
The world
Has no need

Islam is
An Evil Faith
The Men are Dead
The Burkha-clad Women
A Wraith

Since Friday somebody tried to destroy the official homepage of the Danish Parliament: http://jp.dk/indland/article2679655.ece

This raises an interesting worthwhile mission for the computer hackers of the world who seem to adhere to some sort of a moral code. (For example certain credit card organizations were "punished" for cutting off services to Wikileaks.)

I would have no idea how to elist these computer wizards to performing attacks against AlQuada internet sites - but it would surely be a noble use of their talents to intefere with sites that advocate, Jihad, honor killings, murder, genocide, etc.

Think of the fun they could have by hijacking these sites and posting a few fake fatwas, Mohammed cartoons, Christian or Jewish icons, etc. Their easy to locate - just google that internet best seller - "39 Ways to assist with Jihad"

"We're in a new kind of Cold War, which, like the old Cold War, will sometimes get pretty hot."

With all respect Wellington, we are not in a new kind of Cold War.

The Cold War was an ideological conflict and so was the war on Nazism and Fascism. We are in the middle of a cultural war, a clash of civilizations, and Islam is our main adversary, and it has bloody borders.

Said Huntington:

"It is my hypothesis that the fundamental source of conflict in this new world (post Cold War) will not be primarily ideological or primarily economic. The great divisions among humankind and the dominating source of conflict will be cultural. Nation states will remain the most powerful actors in world affairs, but the principal conflicts of global politics will occur between nations and groups of different civilizations. The clash of civilizations will dominate global politics. The fault lines between civilizations will be the battle lines of the future.

Conflicts between civilizations will be the latest phase in the evolution of conflict in the modern world. For a century and a half after the emergence of the modern international system with the Peace of Westphalia, the conflicts of the Western world were largely among princes - emperors, absolute monarchs and constitutional monarchs attempting to expand their bureaucracies, their armies, their mercantilist economic strength and, most important, the territory they ruled.

In the process they created nation states, and beginning with the French Revolution the principal lines of conflict were between nations rather than princes. In 1793, as R. R. Palmer put it, "The wars of kings were over; the wars of peoples had begun." This nineteenth-century pattern lasted until the end of World War I. Then, as a result of the Russian Revolution and the reaction against it, the conflicts of nations yielded to the conflict of ideologies, first among communism, fascism-Nazism and liberal democracy, and then between communism and liberal democracy. During the Cold War, this latter conflict became embodied in the struggle between the two superpowers, neither of which was a nation state in the classical European sense and each of which defined its identity in terms of its ideology.

These conflicts between princes, nation states and ideologies were primarily conflicts within Western civilization, "Western civil wars", as William Lind has labeled them. This was true of the Cold War, as it was of the world wars and the earlier wars of the seventeenth, eighteenth and nineteens centuries. With the end of the Cold War, international politics moves out of its Western phase, and its centerpiece becomes the interaction between the West and the non-Western civilizations and among non-Western civilizations. In the politics of civilizations, the peoples and governments of the non-Western civilizations no longer remain the objects of history as targets of Western colonialism but join the West as movers and shapers of history."

(Quoted from Huntington's original article which appeared in the Summer 1993 issue of 'Foreign Affairs').

There is nothing 'cold' about the cultural conflict with Islam. It has steadily been heating up since the end of WW II and the decolonization of the Islamic world. The conflict became hot with the division of India, creating a fault line between the Hindu and the Muslim civilization in disputed Kashmir. And in Palestine with the establishment of a state for the Jews - Israel. It heated more up in 1979 when the West lost its most important alley - Iran - in the region to the mullahs who intended to start a Muslim revolution. And America was humiliated with its embassy staff taken hostage by the revolutionaries. Next came the Oil Jihad or Economic Jihad in 1973 which the U.S. ignored but with France in the lead role the European Community submitted to changing its policy in an anti-American, anti-Israel and pro-Arabic direction. The cultural conflict became smoking hot with a number of jihad attacks against American interests and broke out in clear flames with the attacks on the American homeland in 2001. Because of this the American leadership lost their heads and engaged in a global open ended war on terror and toppled two Islamic regimes - one for a good reason as deterrence, Iraq for no good reason at all.

For Christ sake Wellington we are in the middle of a global war with Islam, a Third World War by any reasonable standard, but the First Global Cultural War, and the fault lines and battle zones of this new type of conflict runs through all major Western cities, in India, Russia, China - you name it - and battles are fought daily as low intensity civil wars, defined and punished as criminal acts because our leaders shy away from reality - are fought and lost.

We are not losing the cultural conflict primarily because of the strenght of Islam but because Western man suffered a catastrophic loss of faith - in himself, in his civilization, and the faith that gave it birth. The two world wars carried off scores of millions of the best and bravest of the West, they gave birth to the fanatic ideologies of Leninism, Stalinism, Nazism, and Fascism, whose massacres of the people they misruled accounted for more victims than all of the battlefield deaths in ten years of fighting.

With these two world wars we inflicted mortal wounds upon ourselves. They were not wars of choice but unnecessary wars which advanced the destruction of our civilization.

Having lost the will to rule, Western man seems to be losing the will to live as a unique civilization as he feverishly indulges in La Dolce Vita, with a yawning indifference as to who might inherit the earth he once ruled. Will it be China or Islam? Who cares!

Robert Spencer and a lot of brave soldiers of the pen does, and so do we here on JW. Our civilization and its values that gave the world so much and changed it forever for the better are worth fighting for, and in order to win a battle you must know your enemy. And yourself. If we don't do both and correct our own errors we have already lost. We can not change Islam, only Muslims can do that. But if they see that we do not believe in our own values but are prepared to submit to Islamic values progressive Muslims turn away in disgust. There is nothing Muslims despise more than weakness. And nothing they respect more than strength.

You are right when quoting the old warrior Winston Churchill, "never, never, never give up." And add your own words: "Permanent despair is a disguised form of self-indulgence and must be avoided. Victory can be the only real goal. Defeat is not an option. Much to do, that's for sure."

Alas, old Winston is one of the decision makers responsible for the mortal wounds we inflicted upon ourselves with the unnecessary war to end all wars, and a peace treaty creating the foundation for the next one. We should only fight the battles worth fighting otherwise we bleed ourselves to death both literally, economically and morally. As Martin Luther said when the Turks threatened Central Europe, the most important fight is not with swords on the battlefield, but the spiritual struggle against evil. In modern terms it means to have faith in our culture and values and know our enemies - an intellectual struggle.

Therefore the importance of defining the conflict with Islam correctly can not be overstated. The conflict is not a kind of Cold War. Get that obsolete paradigm out of your head! If you will pardon my strong words.


"Jihad is not fought in this manner, as if we are spreading drugs in the enemy’s society."

Well, there is the alliance with the Mexican drug cartel, smuggling drugs and jihadis over the border . . .

This article is written as propaganda (reasonable restrained in Mohammad's victory in terror) and with "enlightened" (i.e., those who think their human reasoning is beyond the need for God) Leftist (supremacist) elitists in mind. It attempts a mild-mannered approach to jihad, much like Hitler's Nazism was portrayed as a justified and righteous struggle to restore the dignity of the wronged German people.

Where is it written, Ole Hartling, that a Cold War can't be primarily a cultural struggle? And do you really want to argue that there is nothing ideological about a contest between democracy and Islamic totalitarianism? Moreover, I did mention in my post above the transnational character of this new war we're in. Finally, there are many types of jihad, which is the reason for this particular thread in the first place. Just look as Sean's 1:04 A.M. posting above which lists some of the many types of jihad, many of which are indeed "cold" in character.

I like the old Cold War paradigm. It serves a purpose for me. If it doesn't for you, so be it. You can choose another, as you have. In any case, we're in another war of sorts. My guess respecting the time line is a new Hundred Years War. Hope this invocation of a temporal framework you don't also find obsolete, but if you do, so it goes.

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Wellington...

This paste from yours just above sums up (for me) our current war against Islam:

..."My guess respecting the time line is a new Hundred Years War."

...and, I think a sensible justification for this thought is the Islamist precedent of the past fourteen hundred years.

To say nothing about our educational institutions. This is from A.C.T. for America.

Who's Vetting Muslim Chaplains On College Campuses?

http://news.investors.com/Article/598759/201201241804/college-muslim-chaplains-al-qaida-hamas-background-checks.htm

Homeland Security: To please Muslim-rights groups, more and more colleges are hiring Muslim chaplains, only to watch them radicalize students. Campuses need tougher background checks.

Alarmingly, some chaplains have actively supported al-Qaida and called for violent jihad against "kaffirs," or infidels. And yet they still have access to students, and remain on the university payroll.

Take Imam Abdullah Faaruuq, Muslim chaplain at Northeastern University in Boston. He has urged Muslims to pick up the "gun and sword" on behalf of recently imprisoned al-Qaida terrorists.

Last month, Faaruuq held a fundraiser for Aafia Siddiqui, a one-time MIT student also known as "Lady al-Qaida," who's serving an 86-year prison sentence for opening fire on U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan.


Siddiqui, a senior al-Qaida operative based in Pakistan, was captured with notes about a "mass casualty attack" in the U.S., along with a list of New York landmarks.

"What a brave woman she continues to be, and how much her bravery and her faith and her belief warrants our support at this time," said Faaruuq, as he encouraged Massachusetts Muslims to help raise $30,000 for her appeal.

"She's only guilty of defending herself," he said. In fact, Siddiqui yelled "Death to America" as she fired on soldiers. A federal judge called her actions premeditated.

While ignoring such evidence, the Northeastern chaplain condemned American soldiers as "kaffirs" and exhorted Muslims to "cut through" them with machetes.

"Go out and do your job," he said, referring to jihad.

No wonder Islamic extremism has spread at Northeastern.

Then there's Khalid Griggs, assistant chaplain at Wake Forest University in North Carolina. Upon his hiring, Wake Forest's president praised him as a "well-respected individual."

Yes, well-respected among the radical Muslim Brotherhood.

Griggs has served as a leader of the Islamic Circle of North America, or ICNA, cited in the Muslim Brotherhood's recently declassified founding archives as one of its front groups. He is also a senior official in the Muslim Alliance of North America. MANA was co-founded by radical Muslim cleric Siraj Wahhaj, an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

"It is difficult to understand how the president of such a respected American university could have remained so oblivious to the serious implications of allowing an individual like Griggs with openly publicized links to the Muslim Brotherhood access to Wake Forest students," said terror expert Clare Lopez.

ICNA is an offshoot of the Muslim Students Association, another Brotherhood front. MSA has grown to one of the nation's largest college groups with more than 150 campus chapters.

MSA chapters from New York to California have extolled suicide bombers and other terrorists as "martyrs" and the "only people who truly fear Allah."

And they are a big reason why, according to a recent Pew Research poll, one in four college-age Muslims in America support suicide bombings.

MSA also organizes anti-Israel student rallies, and hectors college administrators into Islamizing campus facilities. MSA and Muslim chaplains work in lockstep.

Clearly, regents and administrators are clueless about this dangerous threat. Unless they put in place better vetting systems, radical Islamists will be able to infiltrate college campuses and indoctrinate impressionable students who graduate to become jihadists instead of productive members of society.
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It appears that Islam is many many times more effective than A. Hitler was. Islam actually has the U.S.A. funding them. And all this time our legislators approve of Islam and go after people who understand the ideology of Islam.

@duh_swami: "So he (Allah) deliberately withheld the sacred knowledge of AC until Tesla came along and re-discovered it...and Edison re-discovered the light bulb...I say re-discovered because Allah knew about them all along, and elected to keep it to himself…"

I got a chuckle out of this. :-)

I guess old Allah chose not to tell lots of things to Mohammad. Like telling him camel urine is a better antibiotic than penicillin. Or anticipating Copernicus by centuries telling Mo' the sun sets in a muddy pool. Or that charming little 'sacred' secret that sperm forms in the ribs. Poor deluded Mo', but maybe that old barbarian warlord was just not ready to receive true knowledge, so had to settle for harmless little white fibs. Electricity and the light bulb would have to wait, ditto for computers and Twitter, for more modern times. Merciful and compassionate of him to let us 're-discover' all those withheld scientific truths, eh? Well, at least he anticipated Darwin by centuries in his Origin of Man, but isn't creating Man from a clot of "wet earth" a bit obscure? Poor old Mo', must have slept through science class…. Praise be to Allah, creator of the universe, the sun in its orbit, and all things on Earth, in a mere "six days"... Holy Gabriel!

Domo arigato. どーもありがとう

Ah, the small

constricting white

space...

Get's every time!

I meant: Get's you every time!

Wellington wrote:

Ultimately, the only thing that all totalitarian ideologies respect is force. By force, I do not just mean military force, though this element of force is an imperative one, especially for purposes of deterrence. But force also includes resolute refusal, coming from psychological toughness, to abide by totalitarian demands or requests because diplomatic initiatives of whatever kind will be seen as evidence of weakness by any totalitarian, be they Marxist, fascist, Muslim or whoever.
..............................

Excellent stuff as always, Wellington. Steadfastly saying "No" to Islam, in all its ugly aspects, is an important aspect of the fight.

I also agree with you that this conflict is *both* ideological and—as Ole Hartling puts it—cultural. Islam is a totalitarian creed—every bit as much as Fascism and hard-core Communism.

I also tend to think of this as a struggle between civilization and barbarism.

But you're right—whatever specific prism we see this through, the importance of the fight cannot be overestimated.

Hope you and yours are well.

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