Tortured 15-year-old Afghan bride was sent back to her husband and in-laws when she tried to flee

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"Even the local authorities have blamed the department for women's affairs for not trying to solve it locally between families in the traditional way."

Her other option would probably have been prison. Up to 350 woman and about 114 girls are known to be locked up for "moral crimes" in Afghanistan. Among the girls, "80 per cent are serving sentences for either running away from home or extramarital sex."

As was the case with Gulnaz, the rape victim finally pardoned from a sentence for adultery (after agreeing to marry the man who raped her), there are undoubtedly others like the girl in this story, Sahar Gul, inside and outside of jail.

"Tortured Afghan child bride had been sent back to in-laws," by Jon Boone for the Sydney Morning Herald, January 3:

A 15-year-old Afghan girl who was nearly tortured to death by her husband and his family attempted to escape from her attackers more than four months ago but was sent back home by local authorities, it has emerged.
Sahar Gul, a child bride married off to a soldier called Gulam Sakhi who then tried to force her into prostitution, is being treated for horrific injuries in a hospital in Kabul after she was rescued last week.
During her ordeal several of her fingernails were ripped out with pliers and one of her ears was badly burned by an iron. Her husband is now on the run, and her mother-in-law and sister-in-law have been arrested.
Her case has caused uproar in Afghanistan and Hamid Karzai, the country's President, has vowed that those responsible would be punished.
But disturbing new details about how the local community and authorities responded to her abuse has highlighted the ambivalence many Afghans have over how far women should be able to exercise the most basic of legal rights.
"She ran away to her neighbour's house and told them that her husband was trying to make her become a prostitute," said local community leader Ziaulhaq. " 'If you are a Muslim, you must tell the government what is happening to me,' she told them."
The locals said they did take the case to the authorities. When the police arrived Sahar's mother-in-law tried to fight them off, screaming all the while that her son had "bought" the girl who therefore had to do what she was told.
She appeared to be alluding to the dowry paid by Sakhi's family, a sum thought to be about $4000.
Locals say the family simply promised to stop hurting her. Ziaulhaq also alleged that bribes were paid to government officials to hush up the affair.
Although she emphatically denied money was paid, Rahima Zarifi, the women's affairs chief in Baghlan province, said she could not remember the details of the case, or why Sahar was sent back home.
The abuse resumed and continued for months until a male relative visited. When he found the girl, who had been starved in a locked basement for weeks, Sahar was almost unable to speak.
Fauzia Kufi, an MP who campaigns on women's issues, said that even then local authorities attempted to resolve the abuse through "traditional means".
"Basically they wanted the relative to sit down with his sister's abusers and work out an agreement," she said.
Kufi also claims there was strong pressure not to publicise the case.
"Many people don't take these sorts of crimes seriously and don't think it should be reported," she said.
"Even the local authorities have blamed the department for women's affairs for not trying to solve it locally between families in the traditional way."...
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Look at these naughty, evil, hell-bound-like-their-ancestors, disgusting perp Muslims.

Now look at the family who abused her.

Hell is truly that. It must be with so many billions of Muslims there.

*spits*

To Jihad Watch:
Last night aired on Frontline TV show Opium Brides. Here is a quote that can be read here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/afghanistan-pakistan/opium-brides/afghanistans-opium-brides-who-is-working-on-the-issue/In Opium Brides, FRONTLINE correspondent Najibullah Quraishi goes deep inside the Afghan countryside to to reveal how local farm families are forced to give up their daughters, and sometimes their sons, to drug smugglers in order to repay debts after the Afghan government destroys their opium crops.

But the practice of trading girls for debt is hardly new, and goes far beyond debts incurred from opium eradication policies. And efforts to address the issue are constrained by many factors."
When will the journalists have the courage to say that the problem is Islam? When is my question.

The purity of Islam revealed ... a girl or a woman is owned by a man; her value is whatever her husband and his family say they are.

Where is this girls family? Why have they not rescued her from this torture.

Islam is evil through and through.

The face of Islam for the female gender irrespective of what Western feminists, hypocrites and fools though they are, have to say about man's worst religion of all time. Just as polygamy is a guarantee that women can never be equal to men, so it is that Islam is a guarantee of the same thing. By now, one knows this or should know it. Getting very tired of those in the West who don't get this yet or, what is worse, deny this.

To compare, one can try to find the amount of child-selling occurring in Colombia and other places that have crop-eradication programs.

Somehow, other than the ever-present human trafficking, I am not seeing this story coming out of South America.

look at this poor girl.
15 years old.should be in high school...worrying about midterms, finals, boys, trips, music, fun....life!!!
none of that are her lot in life.
instead...courtesy of 'the religion of peace', she has a broken nose, most likely a bilateral broken jaw (and teeth?) as well as infraorbital trauma...and that just from looking at this horrific picture...
there is more, unfortunately, as described in the article....
this poor girl is 15 YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
is anybody outraged?
a time will come, soon i hope, where justice will prevail,the evil hypocrisy that islam is, will be exposed naked for all to see, and punishing those, those (i gotta be careful here...)persons, that comit and insist on comitting such a heinous crime (and all the other long list of equal abominations prescribed in the koran)will be punished to the full extent of the law (existing ones, and hopefully new legislation to be made)

Reading this story brought to mind that in this country at least a dozen people would be facing dozens and dozens of major felonies.

pictures tell a thousand words. no wonder muslims hates to have their pictures taken. they don't want any documentation of their islamic crimes.

There is nothing worse done to the poor victims of the vile thing Sandusky that didn't happen to this girl, and even moreso.

Yet here in the West, somehow we find it abhorrent, and they had to somehow scare up an unnamed male relative and a human rights activist to show that a single Afghan Muslim gave a rat's ass about anything that happens to Muslim girls in their rotten, putrid culture.

They're just shocked! I mean, look how much worse they treated her than we treated out purchased daughter-in-law, insh'allah! And we only paid $250 for ours!

Is there some reason I'm missing why any of this filth is allowed to come over our borders? And it's worse in Pakistan. School administrators? Recruiters? Employers? Are you seeing this?

There is not a single reason to bring these people into our country. Use b.o. as an excuse if you have to, but don't bring them to our universities and don't bring them to our businesses.

Why exactly am I standing in line at a pharmacy where the pharmacist will claim he believes precisely what these disgusting wretches believe? Why?

Truth is these Afghani men can hardly be blamed for their actions. These obedient slaves of Allah were merely following the instructions of the Qur’an when they beat their disobedient wive(s) (often child brides) to a pulp. It is worth keeping in mind that the verse below was correctly translated into English by devout Muslims in the days before the Muslims started attempting to whitewash that disgusting hate manual.

In the West, spousal abuse is illegal and highly frowned upon. In Islam, spousal abuse is a legal, divinely sanctioned, culturally accepted practice…

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YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

PICKTHAL: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

SHAKIR: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

Wafa Sultan, apostate from Islam, in her book 'A God Who Hates', wrote: "Allah hates women".

And the redoubtable Irishman, Conor Cruise O'Brien, in an article published in the London Times, 11 May 1989, wrote -

"Muslim society looks profoundly repulsive...

"It looks profoundly repulsive because it *is* repulsive...

"A westerner who claims to admire Muslim society, whilst still adhering to Western values, is either a hypocrite or an ignoramus or a bit of both.

" At the heart of the matter is the Muslim family, an abominable institution".

We have heard of worse, here on this forum, out of Islamic Afghanistan.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/03/child-bride.html

And then, still worse again, there is this: the story of Pekay.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/11/afghan-girl-given-as-bride-at-9-fights-for-divorce.html


'On her wedding night, Pekay was confused. Why was the man she called "uncle" taking her to his bedroom? Why was her mother so sad?

"I'll be back soon," she recalled telling her mother.

'Smiling, she stepped in. Her new husband shut the door.
"I started to hear screams," recalled her mother, Qudbi. "I thought he was going to kill her."

'The next morning, Muhammad refused to let Qudbi see Pekay. He'd chained her hands and legs to his bed, said Pekay. Four days later, he evicted her parents.

'Pekay lived as a slave for the next 2 1/2 years.

'Muhammad locked her in a room, releasing her only to cook, clean and do the washing. He pounded her with sticks and rubber tubing.

'When he stopped beating her, he started raping her.
"I can't tell you what happened," Pekay said. "It's the type of thing that happens only with animals."

'Muhammad, now 52, denies he abused Pekay, but his next-door neighbor, Zalmay Quasimi, remembers her screams....


'Fifteen months ago, Pekay's parents finally went to the police. Officers raided Muhammad's house and found Pekay and his first wife, Samar.

'**Dried blood stained the floor and chains dangled from a bedpost, according to court documents. The police took Muhammad into custody.

'But Afghanistan's legal system, a mix of civil and sharia, Islamic law, still favors men.

'Once Muhammad proved he was Samar's and Pekay's husband, he was released. Samar was told to go with him. Because of her age, Pekay was returned to her parents pending a court decision.

'Pekay and her parents went to Kabul's family court to get a divorce.

'Muhammad, in court documents, called the allegations "a massive lie."


'But in front of two female judges, Pekay undressed and showed the marks around her waist from the chain that Muhammed used to bind her.

'The court, filled with progressive young judges, granted her a divorce. Pekay was ecstatic.

'Her joy, and her freedom, soon vanished.

'**Muhammad appealed the decision. The appeals court ruled in his favor, as did the Supreme Court.
Pekay was ordered to return to her husband or go to jail** '

Now, listen to the Supreme Court judge, in Afghanistan, who ordered a little girl to return to the sadistic abuser who raped and beat her and nearly killed her:

'Supreme Court Justice Sayeed Omar Munib explained that sharia allows a father to marry off his daughter even if she's under 16.

'And Pekay hadn't met the standard of evidence - two witnesses who saw the abuse or a confession from her husband.

When asked why he didn't rule according to Afghanistan's civil law, Munib replied:

"In Islam and sharia, it's not like that. Women are very smooth operators. If we let her get a divorce, then women will be encouraged to divorce their husbands if they see another man they like. We'll have a lot of divorces in our society."

Yeah...so he was coolly going to hand a terrified little girl back to a sadistic psychopath, to be sexually and psychologicaly and physically abused...and probably murdered.

Islam is the culture, and the culture is Islam. And this picture shows how Islam tries to crush the human spirit!

Apologists for Islam will point to Western cases; for example, the Josef Fritzl case where a father abused his daughter in an underground cellar for 20 years.

However, this girl's case is only one of hundreds, perhaps thousands, because the culture has been shaped by Islam. The Fritzl case was one of a handful.

How many more girls like Sahar Gul are there being tortured in cellars all over the Islamic world?

OT: "Rage against Americans" cited in L.A. arson case

http://news.yahoo.com/prosecutors-l-arson-suspect-raged-americans-005239671.html

From the report:

A German citizen was charged on Wednesday with setting dozens of fires across Los Angeles over the New Year's weekend in a spree an arson investigator said was motivated by a "rage against Americans."

Prosecutors asked the judge to order Burkhart, who was born in Chechnya, held without bail, citing his German citizenship and saying he posed a danger to the community.

Born in Chechnya? Could there be a connection to the "religion of we'll blow you up into many little pieces?" I haven't been able to come up with anything, but I'll keep searching.

Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.

Dear Mr. Smith, I know you are trying to show what Islam teaches, however your statement that Afghan men are excused of their behavior because they are Muslim's is incorrect. Even if Afghan law and Islamic law say they are excused, they are not. They are not ignorant of that small voice inside them that says,"Hey, that's no way to treat a woman." However, I agree that Islamic law is invalid because it is not just. Then, to charge the woman with adultery is the icing on the cake. Sharia law is unjust. Islamic law is unjust. Muslim's are unjust. It would be like saying that since Islamic law and Islam teach it is ok to kill Jews that the perps are innocent. 9/11 is considered just because the Islamic Mullah's had declared a fatwa against the United States and Islamic law declares this action to be just. Therefore, the terrorists that carried out this act could not be held accountable because their religion teaches they had a responsibility to do so. The Afghan man who did this is guilty and the terrorists are guilty. Islam is a pretty ugly religion.

Islam will not change, until its "ideology" changes.

Their ideology is simple, "do what Muhammad did, how Muhammad did it, and when Muhammad did it. You can find that information in the Koran and in the Hadith. Broken down you can call it Sharia Law, according to Islam.

When the majority of Muslims turn their backs on Islam then Islam will be forced to change its tolerance and ideology.

You wrote: Truth is these Afghani men can hardly be blamed for their actions.

Your beliefs can not absolve you of personal responsibility. The point of punishing these men is also to say that their beliefs are wrong!

And if they didn't know their beliefs were wrong, being punished will make them realize that fact.
The moment one's beliefs acts as an explanation for one's actions *and* and also serve as an excuse, the civilized world collapses.
A Nazi camp commandant could, for example, argue that gassing hundreds of thousands of Jews may be considered wrong by any civilized standards, but his Nazi beliefs in the supreme Aryan race was his excuse and so he should be set free.

Those who follow the 'master religion' ideology must be brought to justice, just as those who followed the 'master race' were.

Notice her hair has fell out and become sparse from trauma. Reminds of me of this:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)

Another display of Islamic purity...If Allah does not cause these behaviors, he does not prevent them either...A life of Allah worship and praying five times a day, does not relieve the brutal idiot of his brutality...No one hates to torture another person or animal, it requires an enjoyment of depraved perversion to do it...In other words, what happened to this girl (and others) is pure evil...Where was Allah when she needed him?

This article is a little hazy about her status in his family. Was she his wife, and he was going to divorce her, give her in temporary marriage, and then remarry her?

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YUSUFALI: So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. Such are the limits ordained by Allah, which He makes plain to those who understand.

Or did he consider her his captive sex slave which his right hand possessed?

Sura 24:33 " . . . And force not your maids (captives) to prostitution, if they desire chastity, in order that you may make a gain in the (perishable) goods of this worldly life. But if anyone compels them (to prostitution), then after such compulsion, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to those women, i.e. He will forgive them because they have been forced to do this evil act unwillingly)."


Either way the behavior is reprehensible by any reasonable standard.

The article states she was a wife (child bride), and that she was a muslim. The mother-in-law, tried to cloud the issue when the police came, by saying she (young girl) was bought, and that she had to do what she was told. The neighbors stated the young girl told them she was a "wife" (who's husband was trying to make her a prostitute), and a "muslim"; that they (the neighbors) should go to the government and report what was happening to her. Even the authorities who ignored this young girls cries, are stating she was a wife and a muslim.

No matter though, this is just an example of islamic evil. It shows how muslims treat even their own. It shows the evil of Islam and it's sicknes, insanity; islam is a cancerous growth destroying everthing it touches. Women, all women, are chattle, sex objects and baby makers; they are worthless except for profit and enjoyment.

Her hair didn't fall out from trauma. It was ripped out of her head. See the video I posted above.

Mohammed would be proud at how his followers have treated this girl. This illustrates the difference between Allah/ Satan and the real diety- Jesus/God

What happened to the innocence of Gulnaz ..is nothing out of the norm in any Muslim country and where I came from.I do not know if I had wrote about my grandmother here in this site, she was warned by my grandfather in her wedding night when she was only 11, "if she does not obey, he will break a thick wooden stick on her back"...she her self told me that story when she said he never had her love until death.

My own mother looked like Gulnas,Before the many time she was hospitalized ...she hardly had any hair to be polling from ...it is all about Muslim men ego and mindless love for control ...there is a choice a women can have in Islam ... OBEY or PAIN ...

Q/4/34 ...did, all Muslim women, a devastating disservices, which it still happening all over.

Change has to happen

What happened to the innocence of Gulnaz ..is nothing out of the norm in any Muslim country and where I came from.I do not know if I had wrote about my grandmother here in this site, she was warned by my grandfather in her wedding night when she was only 11, "if she does not obey, he will break a thick wooden stick on her back"...she her self told me that story when she said he never had her love until death.

My own mother looked like Gulnas,Before the many time she was hospitalized ...she hardly had any hair to be polling from ...it is all about Muslim men ego and mindless love for control ...there is a choice a women can have in Islam ... OBEY or PAIN ...

Q/4/34 ...did, all Muslim women, a devastating disservices, which it still happening all over.

Change has to happen

"sent back home by local authorities"
At least she was not sent back by her own father. This child was.
"The child had run away from her elderly husband, but was brought back to him by her FATHER." !!!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/06/pigs-of-arabia-les-cochons-de-larabie.html

Never mind the Homeland Security agents reading this website, how about President Obama, Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and all the Nato leaders, plus Hilary Clinton?
Perhaps someone in the U.S. could photocopy this and other articles and send it to them. Instead of beefing amongst ourselves, lets send the information to those who can do something about it. At least they will not be able to say they did not know.

Yes, but I doubt the media makes the distinction between wife and captive sex slave (not that either is treated much better under Islam). They most likely do not know or refuse to recognize that there are captives/sex slaves in Islam. This article did call her his "wife" but they also reported the family acting like she was a captive. There did not appear to be any investigation of that. Perhaps we need to all email the author with some educational material on the subject, if nothing else just to let them know that there are readers who know these things.

Tortured 15-year-old Afghan bride was sent back to her husband and in-laws when she tried to flee
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My God—*what a horror*. This *poor girl*.

More:

"Even the local authorities have blamed the department for women's affairs for not trying to solve it locally between families in the traditional way."
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Of course—the "traditional way" is to deal with the sadistic pimp as though he were a proper spouse. Islam is so vile.

More:

Her other option would probably have been prison. Up to 350 woman and about 114 girls are known to be locked up for "moral crimes" in Afghanistan. Among the girls, "80 per cent are serving sentences for either running away from home or extramarital sex."
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Very, very true. It is just the same in neighboring Pakistan, where an estimated 75% of women are in prison for some form of "Zina" ("unlawful sexual activities"), which include running away from forced marriages.

More:

Sahar Gul, a child bride married off to a soldier called Gulam Sakhi who then tried to force her into prostitution, is being treated for horrific injuries in a hospital in Kabul after she was rescued last week.
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If a girl is suspected of being a prostitute in Dar-al-Islam, she may well be stoned to death. But when the husband and his family attempt to *force* the girl into prostitution, this is a matter that should be dealt with in "a traditional manner". Good God.

More:

But disturbing new details about how the local community and authorities responded to her abuse has highlighted the ambivalence many Afghans have over how far women should be able to exercise the most basic of legal rights.
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"Most basic legal rights"—yes, like being allowed to survive if her husband decides otherwise.

More:

"She ran away to her neighbour's house and told them that her husband was trying to make her become a prostitute," said local community leader Ziaulhaq. " 'If you are a Muslim, you must tell the government what is happening to me,' she told them."
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This poor little victim appears to believe that Islam will protect her from this sort of savagery. Instead, it is Islam *itself* which allows this sort of abuse...

More:

The locals said they did take the case to the authorities. When the police arrived Sahar's mother-in-law tried to fight them off, screaming all the while that her son had "bought" the girl who therefore had to do what she was told.
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**This** is how Islam regards women—even Muslim women. Just exactly like slaves. If the husband wants to prostitute or murder his wife, how is that anyone else's concern? **Ugh**.

More:

The abuse resumed and continued for months until a male relative visited. When he found the girl, who had been starved in a locked basement for weeks, Sahar was almost unable to speak.
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It is only when a male relative took an interest in this girl's well-being that things changed at all...


Meanwhile in canada we have 4 dead females that were drowned by the male muslims in their family, the daddy-dearest was from Afghanistan as many of the bogus-refugees from that nation were just to buy their way into canada.
The islamic supremacy thugs in Afghan got to import their Shariah law onto canadian soil and now we are stuck with it because the "Moderate" mosques spew their hatred and bigotry behind closed doors and never open up to prove they don't preech jihad and Lawfare . Then we have the deafening silence from the feminists that insist the Burka and Niqab are their choice according to our Charter Of Rights for faith Practises and that the Honour-killings
are really part of Domestic-Violence ( this because without their hatred for males the Feminists would not have a cause to demand more Government money t osolve their non-crisis).

The largest Police force in canada has now bowed down to Shariah Law and embraced the misogyny from the 20 Imam's that asserted that the Hijab/Niqab are part of islamic dress as a Human Right.
I can't believe that if this abused females got to canada she would end up seeing a pro Shariah Law Cop answer her 911 call for being oppressed in canada, she fled the hell-hole for canada and then saw that the hell-hole arrived in canada prior to her and was waiting to oppress her in the guise of Tolerance/Multiculturalism/Diversity by the Smug/elite/liberal/leftist/whites riddled with guilt and jus ignore the crimes by many Minority groups via the racism of Lower-expectations.

fineliving56 wrote:

What happened to the innocence of Gulnaz ..is nothing out of the norm in any Muslim country and where I came from...
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Fine Living, thank you for sharing the terrible stories about your mother and grandmother. That your grandmother was consigned to a brutal, loveless "marriage" when she should have been attending grade school makes my heart ache.

And wasn't this in Syria? Syria is probably somewhat less horrifying over all than places like Afghanistan and Somalia, but still engage in forced child marriage with no protections...

Again, you have my absolute respect, Fine Living. Few women who have such a legacy of abuse would be able to fight free of Islam as you have.

I'll tell you what...

If there's any politicians running for office reading this who want my vote in the coming months, they had better take a good, long, hard look at the photo of the girl above.

Then, they had better feel the same, utter revulsion - (though that doesn't suffice to describe) - that I feel when I look, and they had better express it clearly.

This is absolutely outrageous. The whole, sordid tale ensconced in a Bizarro-Macho world of Islam sickens me to my core.
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God help that poor girl. God help her.

PGund wrote:

OT: "Rage against Americans" cited in L.A. arson case

A German citizen was charged on Wednesday with setting dozens of fires across Los Angeles over the New Year's weekend in a spree an arson investigator said was motivated by a "rage against Americans."

Prosecutors asked the judge to order Burkhart, who was born in Chechnya, held without bail, citing his German citizenship and saying he posed a danger to the community...
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Thanks so much for this, PGund.

When I first heard about this case in the Southland, it *sounded* like an Islamic crime to me—but the only reference I could find simply described the perp as "a German".

This makes a lot more sense to me—but I wonder how many people will ever make this connection?

I really appreciate your kind words ….it tells on a fine soul …
kind words have a way of soften hearts …It fights against numbness we often feel when the onslaught of atrocities we hear every day , against women and all people.

Although as you say it is respectable to be able to leave islam from under all the piles of [sometimes] pure agony of direct result of Islam, I feel we Muslim women, do not DO much to change our situations and ask and insist on having our right as humen beings.

I am amazed how muslim women ..sit and DEFEND every thing in Quran taking about women's issues, including …the Beatings…..being rubbed of half of inheritance ….being branded as half brained who cant remember an event she witnessed [ oh please] ….taking her kids after divorce …to have so much low self esteem,she except to be one of four wives to shear the bed of a husband [ disgusting]…etc…

I had a Muslim women who defended all that and she said that with straight face …Allah and Muhammad know best.

So although my marriage is not as violent as my mother's and grandmother's, but I was verbally abused and I was denied the basic of freedoms, like driving a car ….

I was not weak …I fought for my rights and got them …but I was not strong enough to leave for fear of everything from being branded a deserter for my kids, to fear of total freedom …I mean I wouldn't know what to do with if I got it.

For your question about if Syria is as bad as Afghanistan ? …you are right ..it is not
Women can educate themselves …choose to wear or not wear, their vails …but they all do, to make peace ….they could hold important positions in almost every failed of work.
It is just arranged marriages that still happen sorry to say that …
any Muslim men with fat pockets married or not could have the youngest and the prettiest

thanks for listening

fineliving56,

You bring some valuable experience to this comment section. Have you considered writing up a testimonial of how and why you left Islam? I think if you contacted Faithfreedom or Islam-watch, they would probably publish your story and you could remain anonymous (or just use "fineliving56"). Maybe Robert would publish your story here.

These things are actually happening in the U.S. also. I had a friend who married a Muslim man (against strong advice). He took her back to his Muslim country for six months for a "honeymoon." She came back conditioned. She was a beaten down ghost of her former self. I once saw him punch her leg for not agreeing with him over something very minor. He isolated her, refusing to let her talk to me, and she could only go anywhere with him along. She got a job and supported him until she gave birth to his son, and he exercised total control over how the son was being raised (Muslim). She was then found beaten to death, and him and their little son were found to have gone back to his Muslim country (no extradition possible). I have no doubt he will return someday with his father's whole family.

Every time I think I can no longer be shocked by the savagery of this monstrous ideology, along comes something like this.

Mary

have you read Phyllis Chesler's "My Afghan Captivity".

She - a NY Jewish princess - fell in love with, and foolishly married, in the 1960s, a handsome and charming Mohammedan from a wealthy Afghan Muslim family, whom she had met in College. She even more foolishly went back to Kabul with him. Her passport was seized and she was clapped into purdah. She escaped by the skin of her teeth - partly because his father didn't like the son having brought home an ornery-minded Jewish gal from the USA, and instead of killing her, preferred to simply give her her passport and watch her disappear over the horizon on the next plane home. She escaped pregnant and with Hepatitis. But she escaped.

The other two writers who can be recommended to western girls, to immunise them somewhat, are 'Cassandra' (a pseudonym), who wrote 'Escape! from an Arab Marriage' and '33 Secrets Arab Men Don't Tell American Women' (my only quibble is that she should republish them as 'Escape! from a Muslim Marriage' and '33 Secrets Muslim Men Don't Tell Infidel Women', and then get them translated into French, German, Italian, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, you-name-it); and Rosemary Sookhdeo, who wrote 'Secrets Behind the Burqa' (based on her university thesis, for which she conducted careful and in-depth academic-research-type interviews with a *lot* of Mohammedan women living in the UK) and 'Stepping Into the Shadows: Why Western Women Convert to Islam' which contains a great many cautionary tales not unlike your friend's bitter experience. Rosemary is married to Patrick Sookhdeo, apostate from Islam, now Christian priest; she and he spent many years in inner-city districts of the UK, and the stories are drawn from personal, pastoral experience with the women concerned. She and Patrick have been warning the churches, now, for a good while, about the deliberate 'marriage jihad' that Muslim men are conducting, within the West, doing exactly what that Muslim man did to your friend.

These books plus Ayaan Hirsi Ali's 'Infidel' and her short, sharp film 'Submission' need to be widely circulated amongst western females, starting with the teenagers.

Ah, yes. I can see their response now. "Your intolerance of the religion of peace is despicable."

I'm glad there are books out there warning people. Having seen it first-hand, it is not just academic or something to vent inadequate hostilities about. It could have been me. He asked me first, but I said no because I am Catholic and because of how women were treated. It was this big drama as Arabian Muslim men are not used to being told no. And, he wanted to know who told me women weren't treated well in Islam, as if it was this big lie (he thought it was another friend, and her tire mysteriously popped on the freeway). THAT is why they do not want the truth being told about how women are treated. They are on missions to marry them, and there are a LOT of vulnerable women. There is a word in Arabic for when a man is seducing a women to marry him, and they are then so solicitous and charming, and they say that word and all their buddies snap to and do the same, until the marriage and then the conditioning starts.

Thanks for your response, Fine Living.

Mary wrote:

These things are actually happening in the U.S. also. I had a friend who married a Muslim man (against strong advice)...
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Terrifying story, Mary. Was this covered in the local media here? Do you have any clips you could post?

More:

She was then found beaten to death, and him and their little son were found to have gone back to his Muslim country (no extradition possible). I have no doubt he will return someday with his father's whole family.
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Horrifying that her little boy is being *raised by her murderer*. What's even more grotesque is that this is not at all uncommon in the Muslim world.

More:

Having seen it first-hand, it is not just academic or something to vent inadequate hostilities about. It could have been me. He asked me first, but I said no because I am Catholic and because of how women were treated. It was this big drama as Arabian Muslim men are not used to being told no. And, he wanted to know who told me women weren't treated well in Islam, as if it was this big lie (he thought it was another friend...
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I'm *so glad* you dodged that bullet, Mary. I think you got a small glimpse of the real guy when you turned him down. Most Western men—the non-psycho ones, at any rate—would either be sad, or would try to convince you to reconsider—not get angry at being told "no".

As for his being angry that his 'one friend' might have told you that women weren't treated well in Islam...well, that's just grimly hilarious.

This is, in fact, something most Western women knew before it became too "politically correct" to acknowledge it. Even romantic fantasies like "The Sheik" have a brutal side, even if it is just obliquely touched on.

Besides the books Dumbledore's Army mentioned, there is also the famous "Not Without My Daughter", which you are probably already familiar with.

The set-up—solicitous boyfriend who wasn't religious or even particularly concerned with the culture of the "old country", the disturbing hints of change after the marriage and further change after the birth of their first child, the insistence that they visit his family in Dar-al-Islam, the mask coming off then entirely with beatings and death threats and threats of keeping their daughter immured in the "Islamic Republic" of Iran...

Betty Mahmoody was plucky, tenacious, and ultimately lucky—and was able to rescue both herself and her daughter. These stories don't always turn out so well...

There must be *some* decent Muslim men who marry Western women in good faith and treat them well—but there are *so many* horror stories that follow the same grim pattern that any Western woman who gets involved with a Muslim must be either jaw-droppingly naive or an utter masochist.

Also, Mary, I'm so sorry for the abuse and murder of your friend. That's the first thing I should have said...

Thank you. It's been a few years (I wrote about it on here a couple of years ago), but I'm sure it is still going on. It is an easy way to go in and out of the country, marrying a U.S. citizen and taking trips back home to visit and to bring relatives over here. He did talk about bringing his family here. She did find out he already had a Muslim wife back home too, and she is probably raising the son.

Mary

pray for the son. You're Catholic: pray a rosary for that young boy, every day. Ask the Lord to put St Josephina Bakhita on his case. Pray that the whole wicked scheme will backfire in the Muslim psycho's face: that the boy will do a Walid Shoebat one day, rather than growing up to become a 'David Headley' jihad gangster.

While we're on the subject of 'marriage jihad', here's a story that appeared in Jerusalem Post in 2010. Looks like the Muslim sociopaths are doing it in Israel, too.

http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=201318

Rebbetzins: Women, stay away from Arab men
By JPOST.COM STAFF
12/28/2010 21:27

Twenty-seven rabbis' wives sign a letter distributed by the 'Lehava' organization urging Jewish women not to date Arab men (sic: Arab MUSLIM men - dda).

Excerpt:

'The rebbetzins' letter states,

"There are quite a few Arab workers who give themselves Hebrew names. Yusef turns into Yosef, Samir turns into Sami, and Awabad turns into Ami.

'They ask to be close to you, try to find favor with you, and give you all the attention in world, they are actually here knowing to act with courtesy, acting as if they really care for you, say a good word, but their behavior is only temporary.

'**The moment you are in their hands, in their village, under their control, everything changes."

"Your life will never go back to the way it was, and the attention you so desired will turn into curses, beatings, and humiliations,"** {my emphasis -dda}. the letter warns.'

They could have been talking about your friend, Mary, rather than about silly young naive Jewish girls in Israel...

And more on 'marriage jihad', from the jihadwatch archives.

First, a posting in *this* thread, from April 2006.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/04/i-cannot-say-where-this-hatred-comes.html

one 'Athena' wrote -

Athena | April 23, 2006 12:46 PM
Where this hatred comes from?

'In an interview with the NYT Madeleine Albright admits that she had no idea that "religion" would have such a strong influence on international affairs. This means that she had no clue then and she still has no clue now. She is unashamed about it.

'My first clue about Islam came in college, way back, way back, about 1968.

'My college admitted some wealthy Arab boys, probably Saudi,but I am not sure exactly which countries these boys came from.

'They dazzled the local co-eds with their wealth and extravagant attention and just poured on the charm.

'I never socialized with them but I had a friend who did and I saw her boyfriend come and go in the apartment complex we lived in.

'**As charming as they were,there was something about the way they talked to you that was unsettling. There was something not quite right. ** {my emphasis - dda}.

'At the time I couldn't define it, but, I know what it is now, the undercurrent was a very, very deep and abiding contempt for Western women and probably the West in general.

'Again, at the time it was just a vague feeling I had, and didn't like, when I was around these guys.

'Thank goodness I didn't fall into their circle.

' At least one local girl married one, shudder.

Going to be a rough, rough century".

Secondly, this exchange, between a poster identifying as an Israeli Jew fluent in Arabic, and our own 'Istanbul Chick', in this thread from September 2010.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/09/amazon-death-threat.html

Istanbul Chick was being very scathing about western women who marry Muslims; Avi was stressing that the Muslims are very, very clever, charming and sneaky psychos who have the seduction game down pat, and that not all women who get suckered by them are fat, ugly or stupid.

Avi's first comment:

Avi replied to comment from Istanbul_Chick | October 1, 2010 11:44 AM | Reply
Istanbul Chick,

'Perhaps you don't grasp what Julianne [another poster] is driving at, but I was also dismayed to read your descriptions of women as "slags" and "whores," deserving of whatever may befall them simply because they are fat or older. Your dislike of women is quite palpable from what you write, so perhaps you are not quite as free of the shackles of Islam as you think.

A's a counter-terrorism expert and fluent speaker of Arabic, I was involved in infiltrating a group of Muslim students in the USA.

'Basically, I did this by writing English papers for them (none was an English major) while listening to their conversations.

'**They gave detailed instruction to new arrivals on how to snare a green card by marrying an American woman to whom little attention was paid. ** {my emphasis - dda}.

'Sometimes, the women would come to the coffee shops where we met (a public place offers easy escape) and, not speaking Arabic, they had no idea that the men called them whores and cows, their disgust plain to see (rather like you).
Then, they were so solicitous in English.

'It was some of the most sickening behavior I have ever seen and took everything I had to maintain cover.

'I feel tremendous guilt that I could not warn these lovely women, but I could not allow any hint that I understood Arabic.

'This was a long time ago, but I will not forget it as long as I live.

'I realize that you are describing somewhat different circumstances - women coming to Istanbul for what you term a "sex holiday" - but women in these situations can be exploited, too. It seems that you are condemning them for loneliness. They play a dangerous game, but what they need is education. One doesn't achieve that by saying,"Listen up, whores, cows and slags!"'

There was a bit more to and fro, and then Avi continued with something that totally confirms the posting by Mary, above, about the friend whose Mohammedan husband charmed her, married her, broke her spirit, got a son on her and then...beat her to death and skipped, with the son, back to dar al Islam:

Avi replied to comment from Istanbul_Chick | October 1, 2010 3:39 PM | Reply

'Sorry, but what I saw was that the women were absolutely tricked into marrying these men by deceit.

'I heard and hear enough of these conversations to know that Muslim men well know how to set their snares.

'**Many of them were already married back home.** {just like the man that seduced, married, 'broke' and killed Mary's friend - dda{.

'Their schemes to attract and win over American wives were so consistent that I wondered if it was published in a book. I scoured the Internet for such a publication, but finally concluded that it is word-of-mouth and now, is commonplace knowledge.

'Yes, I do realize that there are many Americans, looking for some sort of identity, who readily sign on to Islam to provide it. Males do this as well as females.

'I suppose I have a less pitiless view of the women involved, and more anger at the men who, uh, screwed them over, because that is what I saw.

'The cruelty meted out to your fellow American women was vicious.

'One woman came to the table and shouted at a man and his date - it turned out that the woman was his wife (she was quite lovely - your characterization of these women as "fatties" does not accord with my experience) but he turned to her and said,"Well, how can I help it? American women always have their legs open," and then proceeded to laugh in her face.

'I heard many conversations during which the cheating men plotted to get their American wives and children to go to Pakistan or Syria or Palestine with them under the pretext of 'working' on the marriage.

'Of course, their intention was to divorce their wives on arrival but assume total custody of the children.

'Again, I will never forget the way they talked about these plots amongst themselves, clearly stating that **if they could get away with it, they would readily kill their American spouses.** {my emphasis - dda}.'

And the man who married Mary's friend, *did* kill her.

Psychopathy, pure psychopathy: coded into, inculcated by, an obscene death-cult.

Mary

here's another story about 'marriage jihad', from another Jihadwatcher, way back in 2005.


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/08/cat-stevens-the-problem-is-not-too-much-islam-but-too-little.html

'Saira, Dennisw [another poster] is right: Many scummy Muslim guys come here and marry a stupid American woman

'I have been practicing law in a major Texas city for many years.

'I see the divorce cases involving muslim men and American women.

'Some of them draw a lot of attention among the courthouse regulars, and we can drop in to watch the proceedings. The media don't bother.

'After we see half a dozen or so, we realize that they all follow the same script.

'Mr. Tall Dark and Handsome woos the gal with lots of flowers and fancy talk about his LOVE for her, about her BEAUTY (only rarely true), his RESPECT for her as a person (!!), lots about himself, his family back home, maybe his wealth, and dreams of Arabian Nights and World Travel. It all sounds like the same cheap paperback romance.

'After the marriage, he starts ignoring her. His sex is perfunctory, or he plays around.

' If she wants more affection, he calls her a "whore" and a "slut" and a "prostitute" and when she objects to this treatment he calls her a "bitch" and etc.

'When things get nasty (yeah, that's only the beginning), he threatens to take the kids to Saudi Arabia, Syria, Palestine, or whereever else his cousins live.

'She gets scared. He demands dhimmi. She gives in.

'The lucky women, the strong women, and the ones who have a good father or mother around (if he hasn't moved her to a new city), may eventually file for divorce, **and we can entertain ourselves with the sordid details that usually make other domestic divorces look mild** {nota bene - dda}.

'The anal sex usually wakes up the audience, but the real legal corker is the threat to take the kids. And that is a real threat.

'The foreign jurisdiction NEVER respects our court's jurisdiction or our court's child custody orders.

'Treaties for international cooperation in such matters, if there are any, are ignored. If daddy manages to get the child to Iran or Palestine, etc., it's kiss the kids goodbye.

'As in almost all custody disputes, the court appoints a lawyer to represent the child's best interests and report to the court, and represent the child at trial.

'Everybody knows, but doesn't talk about, the FACT that daddy's threat is DAMN SURE WHAT HE MEANT and will be executed if he gets half a chance. So daddy ends up with supervised visitation.

'Those cases are the ones where, as I said, the woman was lucky or strong.

' Unfortunately, most women are so whipped, beaten, shoved down, and depressed, that they cannot bring themselves to act.

'They live lives of horror and desperation and try not to think about their child being put on a plane to the madrassa, that daddy will marry his cousin, and his new wife will work hard to make a suicide bomber out of her unwanted stepchild.'

- Posted by: texan at August 3, 2005 12:03 AM

Where is are the women's rights groups when you need them?

Mary wrote:

She did find out he already had a Muslim wife back home too, and she is probably raising the son.
.................................

*Ugh*. Also very, very common—Muslim men who adventure in the West while keeping their first wife or wives—usually secretly—back in Dar-al-Islam.

I can only imagine the treatment many of these children receive under the circumstances—a brutal, murderous father and a stepmother who is likely seething with resentment she has no other way of addressing.

God, I hate Islam.

Well said, David. I stand with you.

Oh they know all about the horrific savagery spawned by islam but they'll do anything to keep the unwashed masses from knowing, including the imposition of unconstitutional UN edicts abolishing free speech. The tipping point is getting too close for comfort and they must silence the truth-tellers before islam is fully exposed and understood by the American people.

You see, multiculturalism and the nefarious U.N. agenda are more important to these traitors than the insidious threat of islam, which is vital to the destruction of Western Civilization. The liberals and leftists will align with any group that shares their goals, so muslims are their natural allies. And they treat their allies with the utmost courtesy and respect. To hell with the stupid American people. Hopefully the people will wake up and stop these evil social engineers, who consider themselves the smartest people on the planet and saviors of the earth and mankind.

R.K.:

I tell you, I am still sickened in the extreme about this.

I am the father of a young girl, and I cannot fathom the evil that resides in a man's mind to allow himself to do this to a defenseless, tiny creature.

I'm just sickened, R.K..

Sickened, sickened, sickened.
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