Al-Arabiya: US in talks to swap jihad terror Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman & 49 others for 19 Americans held in Egypt

Ransoming people already?

U.S. needs to issue a travel ban on any American civilians going to Egypt.

Will this be enough for everybody in the world to recognize that Obama's embrace of the Muslim Brotherhood/Islam is a complete failure? (Or success, depending on perspective.)

SNL ain't as funny as it used to be but this sure gave me a healthy belly laugh.

Hasn't the US had until this point had a no-negotiation policy with terrorists? What gives? All this will do if we give in is invite more hostage-taking. It'll be open season. It's as stupid as Israel's policy of giving up terrorists for soldiers. We should be killing cutting off pieces of those 49 terrorists one by one until they let our people go, but we're too "civilized" to do the necessary things.

I am praying for the States in what is happening. Also in Morocco today as they might partner with the Salafi's today.

http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/02/29/morocco-royal-pardon-marks-new-approach-to-salafi-issue/

Blessings

Youssef

outrageous!

BTW. He looks like an islamic Santa!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L8fIrWnXRA

Never negotiate with terrorists.

Isn't Egypt supposed to be an "ally" of the U.S.? And shouldn't they wait until there's some sort of court proceeding before they start talking prisoner swap? Ideally, the U.S. could swap Obama for Mubarak........

Ima

This is the same Egyptian government the US classifies as a friendly nation, gives billions in aid to, & I'm sure will continue to give billions in aid to? My brain hurts...

Sounds like a put-up deal to me.
I have to think that Obama's been fishing for a way to release more of his muslim brothers.
After all, wasn't a big part of his campaign a promise to close gitmo?
And Ray LaHood's son is one of the hostages?
How did that happen?
Had to have a big name in there to trade for the more notorious terrorists.

Don't waste your time expaining Obama's mistakes.
He knows what he's doing, and it's all very deliberate, and very sinister.

Oho. So it's the old hostage and extortion game that Mohammedans have been playing for 1400 years.

Getting their pet thug out of jug.

Looks like Omar Abdel Rahman should have been taken out and shot as soon as he was convicted; would have saved the USA a lot of trouble.

A swap, however, might not be such a bad idea as all that.

How's about ALL card-carrying Egyptian Mohammedans currently on American soil - legal and illegal, 'immigrants', 'tourists', 'students', 'businessmen', 'military trainees', 'political refugees', you-name-it, get sent back to Egypt post-haste; and an equivalent number of bona fide Coptic Christians from Egypt take their places, in America? Needless to say, any Egyptian Mohammedans who had gained American passports - most likely by swearing false oaths, just like the Times Square bomber from Pakistan - would be stripped of it before being Returned To Sender.

(No cheating tolerated:: any Mohammedan that pretended to be a Copt in order to get his foot in the door, would be implacably booted back to Egypt the moment his imposture was detected).

Now I know why my mate Blake Obrien in USA has been telling me we have to get rid of Obama
And as an Aussie I agree.

Now I know why my mate Blake Obrien in USA has been telling me we have to get rid of Obama
And as an Aussie I agree.

Now I know why my mate Blake Obrien in USA has been telling me we have to get rid of Obama
And as an Aussie I agree.

ALL muslim immigration into the U.S. must be halted ASAP.

ALL muslims already in the U.S. must be deported ASAP.

ALL muslims caught trying to enter the U.S. illegally must be shot on sight.

Fuck Islam!

Only 49 for 19 ?... Obama's slipping.
The palestinians got 1027 for 1 in the Shalit deal with Israel.

Uh.. oh.. oh...here we go

"the Egyptians need to exploit the weak U.S. position, especially after the conviction of their nationals on charges affecting Egypt's sovereignty over its territory, and not to allow this deal to take place without the agreement of the U.S. administration to release more than 500 Egyptian prisoners in U.S."

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/02/bombshell-us-in-talks-to-swap-jihad-terror-sheikh-omar-abdel-rahman-49-others-for-19-americans-held-.html

Well, I hope Jimmy Car.. I mean Barack Obama can get the hostages and Sheikh Rahman out in time for Christmas. Macy's needs an Islamic Santa.

What happened to the US policy of NOT NEGOTAITING with terrorists for ransom demands! Egypt is now in the terrorist camp with its embracing of the MO. BROs.

THE ULTRA-CARTERIZATION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

rolls on as the consequences of his predictably ill-fated Moslem Outreach initiative (centerpiece of his foreign policy) backfires throughout the Moslem world. From Cairo to Kabul Moslem leaders are taking down this weak, incompetent, butt-kissing president one foreign policy crisis at a time as the 2012 election looks more like 1980 with each passing day.

per Obama...

If it walks like a Trojan horse... and it talks like a Trojan horse... maybe it's a Trojan horse.

Under what authority would the State Department or even the president have to allow a prisoner swap or cut short a sentence imposed by our supposedly independent judiciary?

Warn Americans who aren't yet hostages to get out of Egypt ASAP.

Then--

Stop any aid in any form going to Egypt.

Revoke all visas issued to Egyptians and have them on planes by sundown. Do not send the bastards to Canada!

Stop all trade with Egypt. We can get our dates elsewhere.

Turn back Egyptians at the US border or entry points.

For the islamo-experts out there? what is the significance of the santa claus hat in islam? i have seen a number of islamist fanatics using the santa hat.

Any specific reason for that?

and yes, negotiating with terrorist supporters has shown to be a winning strategy.... NOT

Article:

"...to free the blind Sheikh and 49 other Egyptians currently imprisoned in the U.S. in exchange for the freedom of the 19 Americans..."

then, below, in the article:

"...and not to allow this deal to take place without the agreement of the U.S. administration to release more than 500 Egyptian prisoners in U.S. custody; the Egyptian Foreign Ministry does not know anything about them."
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This is exactly the same "extortion" that has gone on with the Koran Burning apologies!

Nothing will satisfy the Mohammedists when they sense they have the upper-hand. Release 50 to get our 19? Nope; the General clearly says that we won't get our 19 unless we release 550!

How about we tell the Egyptians to go pound sand, take their aid away, then give them 24 hours to release Americans or we bomb them into oblivion?

Those 19 Americans should be freed now as they are imprisoned on phony charges. And to release this mastermind of first WT Center attack is just abominable. I won't be surprised if this terrorist finds his way back into US under our traitorous administration.

When I wrote to Senator Mary Landrieu asking why we give so much in foreign aid to countries that are obviously unfriendly, i.e. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt, Palestinians, her response was that it is a small price for the goodwill we gain. She reminded me that less than 1% of the Federal Budget goes to foreign aid.

The saddest part of this story is she can't appropriate these funds by herself. Over half of our senators had to agree with this philosophy. The barbarians are inside the gates and it appears they are inside the halls of congress too.

Very interesting.

Major General Mohamed Zaher told the newspaper that the Egyptians need to exploit the weak U.S. position..

What with... Obama apologizing all over the place - and trying to be nice.

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The US government should seek to gain a better understanding of Islam - political correct is for meet and greet - it should never be made policy.

They need to bring back those officals - who are willing to tell them what they really learnt about Islam - if anything - for a more balanced view.

One needs a bird in the hand.

Islam is both religion and state.

Tomorrow in the afternoon, Sheriff Joe of Arizona is holding a press conference to announce his findings of the law enforcement investigation into Rasool's eligibility...
WND will carry it live...We will see what we will see...

I have to believe this is all unfounded rumors and speculation based on an Egyptian newspaper account. Seriously - do we even believe US newspapers, let alone an Egyptian one.?

At this point there are only 7 people including Ray Lahood's son left in Egypt and they are safetly holed up in the American Embassy. The US could put these people on a Military Helicopter and get them out at will if they were at risk. And as to the balance of people in the US being extradited back to Egypt if this trial which has been adjuourned for two months ever resumes - yeah pound sand.

So I'm not to worried about this one - there is no reason the US would have to release prisoners in this circumstance.

Yet another lesson in why the death penalty is better.

And the "Hits" keep coming.
EVERY DAY.
MORE ANTI-AMERICAN ACTS from those who are working at "Fundamentally Transforming" this GREAT COUNTRY.
HE SAID HE WOULD SIDE WITH THE MUSLIMS,and HE IS!
The November Election is America's modern FIGHT FOR FREEDOM.
The Democrats MUST be DEFEATED for the sake of this country,Freedom,and future generations.
The DEMOCRATS Must be DEFEATED as they are AT WAR with their "own" nation and its FREEDOMS.

Can someone remind me on what charges are 19 American detained?

Why is Obama anxiously rushing to "negotiate" with Egyptians? Aren't Americans still sending aids to Egypt? What an idiot!!!

But look how vehemently are our top US military cowards, the CIA and the State Dept. opposed to a pardon for Jonathan Pollard, even after he has spent more than 26 years in prison! Because they enjoy boasting to their Muslim masters: "Look, he is a Jew and an Israeli spy, and we are totally mercyless to him. See, we are not pro-Jew". The same subservient dhimmi pathology that drove the commander of Centcom (which is supposed to fight terrorists and other jihadis), US Army Gen. Tommy Franks to whip up his passport every time he visited a Muslim country, and show to his Muslim masters that it had no Israeli stamp: "See, I have never set foot in Israel, because I don't care for it". This is according to Franks himself, in his memoir "An American Soldier".
But our 4-star US military male whores ARE traveling to Israel non-stop now. Do they ever! For one wrong reason: to restrain, restrain, restrain Israel from bombing Iran, the Death-to-America nation. Iran, a serial mass-murderer of Americans. With those cowards in command of our US military, no wonder we have lost wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

I first saw that photo and I thought, "Goodness, is it Christmas again already?" Yeesh...

David Dowse posted:
"How about we tell the Egyptians to go pound sand, take their aid away, then give them 24 hours to release Americans or we bomb them into oblivion?"

DAMN RIGHT!Only 24 hours is 23 hrs TOO long.
NO Exchange and they have ONE hr to have the American Hostages at the Cairo Airport where a USAF plane can RETRIEVE them.
If Egypt doesn't comply,let's have the Navy SHELL Alexandria with the PROMISE that Cairo will be CARPET BOMBED ONE HOUR LATER.
If that still doesn't do it,then we should DEMOLISH the "Aswan High Dam" and turn Egypt into WATERWORLD.

Al-Arabiya: US in talks to swap jihad terror Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman & 49 others for 19 Americans held in Egypt
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*Good God*. We are talking about swapping 50 Jihad terrorists and criminals for 19 peaceful NGO workers? Gilad Shalit redux.

We give these barbarians in Egypt *$1.3 billion* annually—why don't we tell them not another penny until they release these innocent hostages?

More:

The blind Sheikh, Omar Abdel Rahman, is in prison for his role in masterminding the 1993 World Trade Center jihad terror bombing. If he is freed, it will be the apotheosis of Obama's policy of appeasement toward the Islamic world.
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Any Muslim nation anywhere in the world can take Americans and other Westerners hostage, and demand the release of the worst Jihadist in return for their freedom.

Also, if Egypt were not becoming a Shari'ah state, why would they even *want* the release of this vicious terrorist?

Whatever Mubarak's faults, I doubt he'd even have wanted this terrorist wandering around Cairo.

More:

Zaher told the newspaper that the Egyptians need to exploit the weak U.S. position, especially after the conviction of their nationals...
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There is *no* reason our position should be "weak". We can cut their foreign aid, we can embargo them, we can threaten sanctions and even attack if they do not release these innocent hostages.

More:

He added that the Egyptian Foreign Ministry asked the Egyptian Embassy in Washington for a list of Egyptian prisoners in the United States of America, and the Egyptian consulate there had already started procedures to account for the number of Egyptian prisoners and detainees in custody on a number of charges in the United States, he said, adding that among the prisoners in the Consulate files was Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, the Mufti of Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (the Islamic Group) and currently imprisoned in America....
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Who can't see the obvious machinations here? Egypt rounds up innocent Americans working for NGOs, charges them with spurious crimes, quickly convicts them in a kangaroo court, and then swaps out the handful of hostages for a horde of Egyptian criminals held in US prisons.

I know the Americans hostages have quite a number of fellows from the NGOs from other countries, including Spain and Serbia. What happens to them?

Also, I would imagine that there are quite a number of Egyptian criminals in British prisons, too—and quite likely other parts of the civilized world, as well.

How long before we find British or other Western hostages suddenly charged with serious crimes?

If I was a Westerner in Egypt, I would get the hell out forthwith.

Hmmmph. Let the Egyptians keep those hairy NGO types, and we see to it that the blind Sheikh falls down the stairs in prison or meets with some other "accident".

The return of the Blind Sheikh to Egypt is only proper, considering he was not even supposed to be allowed into America to begin with due to the fact that he was already on a terrorist watchlist barring him from entry into the country from day one. When Sheikh Rahman applied for a visa to enter the US, the people that issued him the visa knew he was coming here to preach jihad yet they still issued the visa. So prior to Sheikh Rahman being allowed into the US, a small group of traitorous people conspired to provide him material support for his cause by allowing him entry into the US because they already knew they were going to then try to frame him in an effort to continue to provoke terrorism. Even after the assasination of Rabbi Kahane, these same traitorous people that try their hardest to provoke terrorism, still did not have the will to deport Sheikh Rahman despite the fact that he was residing in America illegally. Even after the 1993 bombing, these traitorous people still did not have the will to deport him. Why? Because the goal was always to find something, anything, that could be used to arrest him in order to provoke a massive terrorist attack like 911. So the prosecutor of Rahman, Mr. McCarthy, an avid racist and hater of all muslims, finally succeeded in killing a few thousand americans on 911 by prosecuting, rather than deporting, a person that should have been denied entry into America from day one. Even after being illegally allowed to enter America, he should have also been deported on at least two occasions, the first following the Kahane Assasination, and the second following the 1993 bombing (for which he has never been tried or convicted, despite this being stated inumerable times in the media that he was the mastermind of the 1993 bomnbing when it is simply untrue). So Mr. McCarthy, a coconspirator of those that deliberatly provoke terrorism, decides that after the 1993 boming, they would instead entrap him into a third terrorist plot by his followers (the landmarks plot, and not the 1993 bombing), in order to engage a prosecution of him which did nothing but inflame others like Bin Laden into engaging unlawful acts of revenge against innocent Americans. McCarthy is the 20th hijacker, and he has the nerve to utter even the slightest word to suggest that Obama would make a mistake by doing this. On the contrary. Obama would single handedly resolve a major source of inspiriation for militants by doing this, and it would immediatly reduce or eliminate the threat of terrorism in a very significant way, rather than actually provoking it. It is not a prisoner swap because the Americans are not serving life in prison in solitary confinement in Egypt, like Sheikh Rahman is. The alternative that is being advocated by all those opposed to his release, is to allow the Sheikh to die in an American prison (as he is already extremely ill after 17 years of solitary confinement), and his death would likely immediatly provoke massive acts of terrorism against innocent Americans. Since the Sheikh is already on the verge of dying anyway, it makes no sense to hold onto him for just a few more fleeting moments in time just to make sure he dies in America and takes hundreds, thousands or even millioms of Americans with him.

Perhaps that is the scenario that Mr. McCarthy and other warmongering bloodsucking vampire idiots would rather see? Everyone opposed to his release are disrespecting the memory of all those people who died on 911, amd who were sacrificed as collateral damage in the war between militants like McCarthy and Bin Laden. Down with all militants. Time for moderate and reasonable minds to fix all the damage done by militants.

In response to graven image:

"Firstly, American authorities knew even less about Jihad terrorism prior to 1993 than they do now."

That is what you call a real load of crap. So what was the Sadat assasination, for which Rahman was arrested in Egypt? What do you call that? What is all the stuff that Rahman was doing in Afghanistan against the soviets? What about all the acts of muslim terorism prior to 1993, of which there was the assasination of Israeli athletes, the beruit bombing that kill hundreds of Americans, and the list goes on and on. And you are saying that Americans knew less about jihan terrorism in 1993 than they knew now? So why didnt they deport Rahman after the assasination of Rabbi Kahane? Was that not an act of terrorism? And then why didn't they deport Sheikh Rahman after the 1993 bombing, was that not an act of terrorism? Why did they not arrest him for the 1993 bombing if they had enough evidence to convict him of it? Because they did not have anywhere near enough evidence to suggest his involvement. I cringe everytime i hear that Rahman was the "Mastermind" of the 1993 bombing and 911, when this is simply a false statement. Sheikh Rahman was convicted for being the "mastermind" of the Landmarks plot, which was a federal sting set up for the purpose of entraping him into a conviction. Not one person died in the so called Landmarks plot you idiot who is comparing that to the lockerbie bombing wherein over a hundred people died. You are a lunatic to even respond with such a stupid comment. Ignorant people like you are the cause of 911. You have no respect for the deaths of all those innocent people.

Sheikh Rahman was clearly a very dangerous person long before he was even placed on a terrorist watchlist banning him entry into this country. Obviously, someone had made the decision to place him on the list for a reason, so your claim that no one knew he was a threat because prior to 1993 no one even knew that terrorism exists. In our government in America, we have many good people, but we also have many bad people. The good guys did their homework and put him on a list to prevent him entry into this country, and the bad guys reversed that decision because the intention was to use him as a pawn to provoke terrorism. Of course, the people that made the decision overule the ban on his entry into America to allow him in did not know "on this date and time, Sheikh Rahman would commit a terrorist offense." But they certainly knew that by letting him into America, somehow and someway, it was a certainty that Americans would die as a result. Period end of story. We were betrayed by individuals in America and elsewhere that have always wished and desired to cause a war in the Middle East, and these are the same people that are praying everyday that he dies in an American prison so that some lunatic in the middle east can take it out on an innocent American that has nothing to do with this whole sordid affair.

What i have also noticed is that the same people that have a religious grudge against muslims and the middle east, do not have the guts or the balls to go out there themselves and go handle their business. They always look for clever ways to get others to do the dirty work for them, or clever plots to perpetuate and provoke a conflict between muslims and other religions, when the truth is that humanity has long progressed past the days of the back and forth wars between different religions. The militants in every religion are at war with each other, while the moderates are being manipulated left and right. Anyone who does not consider logic and reason with regards to deporting Sheikh Rahman and ending the root causes of terrorism, such as the occupation of the west bank and gaza strip by Israel, is simply looking to keep the conflict alive for purposes of provoking a world war that they expect to win. With the advent of technology, there is no such thing as a world war three. Its like Einstein said, if there is a world war three, then the certainty is that a world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.

They have no problem sending other people's children to fight their provoked wars in the middle east. The problem is that you cannot do that very easily without having a cover story. Plain and simple

The idea that they not only knew Sheikh Rahman was going to preach violent Jihad, but knew—somehow—that his arrest was going to lead to 9/11, is just an insane claim."

In response to graven image:

"The idea that they not only knew Sheikh Rahman was going to preach violent Jihad, but knew—somehow—that his arrest was going to lead to 9/11, is just an insane claim."

Graven image, for you to state that the people who reversed the ban on Sheikh Rahmans entry into america did not know that he was going to preach violent jihad from the second he set foot on American soil is an insane claim. Even as he was here in America, he was still here illegally because he put fraudulent information on his visa application to get here, so the traitors had ample ability to remove him even after the Kahane assasination and the 1993 bombing.

The fact is this: Sheikh Rahman was imprisoned in a case where not one person died. It was a conspiracy case, and the person pushing it, Emad Salem, was a government informant that was paid over a million dollars for his services. Even if he was deported back to Egypt, he would still be in jail in Egypt. It is no sweat of America's skin to just make sure that whatever happens, he dies in Egypt where he was born so that we don't get more slack over the traitorous actions of those few racists in our government that are able to trick us every now and then into falling into their agenda, which has always been to wage a massive war against the middle east because their enemy is a religion that no matter what they do, only increases in popularity. Don't be a player hater. Mainstream, moderate Islam is not ever going to decrease in its appeal to people, because it offers them a stable relationship with god just like any other religion. Militants will always be the problem, because militants are militant due to the fact that they have not yet found a way to have a relationship with god, so they take it out on everyone else and blame everyone else for their disfunction. Moderate jews, christians and muslims do not have this psyhological dysfunction because even if they don't agree with each other on matters of religion, it never reaches a point where they feel the need to kill each other over it.

'Frank Nolo' is a Mohammedan.

Bet on it.

Probably Egyptian - and note his attempt to blame the entire Global Jihad on da Joooz - 'the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank'...ROFLMAO, Mohammedans were attacking and kidnapping and holding to ransom American sailors way back in the late 18th century when there was no Jewish state of Israel in existence at all, and they were doing it because of the Jihad doctrine of Islam, nothing else.

Accuses us of 'ignorance'. The charge of 'ignorance' is a classic Mohammedan tactic.

And Muslims accusing kafir of 'hate' is pretty rich when one considers Surah 48: 29 of the infernal Quran, and the principle of 'loyalty and enmity'.

Mr Nolo reminds me of some of those Egyptian Mohammedan 'clerics' we've seen in video clips from Mohammedan TV, shared with the rest of us by MEMRI.

As for getting off oil, there are quite a few kafir hard at work on the idea already.

http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Victory-Winning-Terror-Breaking/dp/1591025915

But putting a complete stop to Mohammedan immigration into each and every free majority-non-Muslim country needs to happen **as well** as reducing the power of the 'oil weapon'.

The Ummah, or Mohammedan Mob, is the sheltering sea within which the jihadists swim and from which, ceaselessly, nurtured by Quran, Sira and Hadith, they emerge.

"What "Frank Nolo" wants to o is shut down any criticism of Muslims and Islam."

Critisism must be based on facts, not fiction. Hitler was a christian jihadi, and he killed more jews than was ever killed by muslims since the start of Islam, yet we do not blame the entire religion of christianity for his actions, so why do we blame the entire religion of Islam for the actions of a few? Because it is convenient for racists to do so for purposes of keeping any justification alive to be able to raid the oil reserves of the middle east (yes islam is not a race, but people who hate others based solely on their race or religion are racists, so clearly you know what I mean).

"Dumbledore's Army is not American, nor is she a "guy".

I had to google Dumbledore because I had no idea what you meant, and then it became clear to me that you are likely some kid hudled in his parents basement smoking weed and masterbating to pictures of maryln manson. I dont immerse myself in worlds of fiction like you do, and I don't live in a world of hobits and wizards and lions and tigers and bears, trotting down the yellow brick road looking for a wicked witch of the east to save me from the islamic fairies and unicorns that are plotting jihad in the land of oz.

"Pious Muslims must be the most racist people ever, in that case, given the horrific toll of Jihad terror."

Like I said, a pious jihadi christian named hitler killed six million jews, and that is not horrific enough for you to even acknowledge, yet moderate muslims that never killed anyone in their entire life should be shot and killed so that you can get some sadistic pleasure out of it. Get a life. Lay off the crack pipe and go get a checkup from the neckup.

"While Arab supremacy *is* a central part of Islam, though, it pales before the central concept of believer and non-believer. As a rule, pious Muslims are all too happy to murder Infidels and the "insufficiently Islamic" with utter disregard to race, skin color, and national origin. Sounds like something that "Frank Nolo" can get behind!"

Arab supremacy is not in any way part of Islam. Sure there are muslims that would like to preach this, and probably believe it, but again you are talking about a fraction of a percent of all muslims, and the way you generalize is the very method of all racists. Hitler and his crew did not represent all christians, which is why we do not blame christianity or the bible for the holocaust. Like I said, put down the weed and pick up a psychology book and learn about the brain and how it works. When people have a desire to kill, they can find justification for it wherever they look. The bible led to the crusades, yet when I read the bible, I interpret it in a way that prohibits any form of killing. Hitler and the people that did the crusades, obviously read the same book yet interpreted it differently. It is not the book that decides, it is the people that decide. Sure there are some people who read the Quran and find within its pages interpretations that they can use to justify killing, but the vast majority of muslims read that same book and interpret it in a way that clearly prohibits murder. So basically, people who are predisposed to murder are always looking for justification, whether it be hitler, crusaders, zionist lunatics or islamic terrorists, and just because they choose religious texts as their justification doesnt mean that the religious texts are to blame.

So put down the harry potter books and read some real literature that has educational value, and perhaps you too can call yourself an American some day, rather than looking for clever ways to provoke the deaths of your fellow americans because you have become obsessed with blaming Islam for all your problems, whatever they may be. There is no evil Islamic spaghetti monster in the sky that is out to get you as you hide in your giant magic mushroom forest in middle earth, but that does not mean that you cant create one real enough to cause harm to others by being a stupid knucklehead with no sense. Rather than casting aspersions at entire religions, why not look for a way to help your country rather than divide it. If not, then at least be a real man and go found your own KKK island where you can grow your magic mushroom forest in peace and without interference from the islamic spaghetti monster that terrorizes you in your sleep.

Hitler was a Christian?

BWWWWAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D

...oh and you probably think that obama is a Christian, too, right?

AHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The poster calling himself 'frank nolo' claims that there is no Arab supremacism within Islam.

Oh yes there is.

He should go talk to ex-Muslim Lamin Sanneh, and learn better.

Or read Anwar Sheikh, also an ex-Muslim, on the same topic.

http://www.islam-watch.org/AnwarSheikh/Islam-Arab-Imperialism7.htm

Islam: The Arab Imperialism ― Islam, the Self-Perpetuating Tool of Arab Imperialism

And more briefly, there is this:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/10/fitzgerald-the-cultural-imperialism-of-the-arabs.html

"Within Islam, a supposedly universalist religion where all Muslims in the ummah are equal, there is a special place for the Arabs. But how could it be otherwise?

"Islam itself, a mishmash of pagan Arab lore, Judaism and Christianity, has its origins in the attempt to take what was available and construct out of it something, a belief-system, that would both promote, and justify, Arab attacks on, and Arab conquest of, far more advanced, settled, and wealthy populations of Christians, Jews, and pagans -- and with the attack on Sassanid Persia, Zoroastrians.

"Within Islam, the supremacist ideology is expressed first, and perhaps most importantly, in linguistic and cultural imperialism.

"The Qur'an is written in Arabic, and was delivered to, given to, revealed to, the Arabs, that best of people.

"That best of men, Muhammad, was an Arab, and so were the Companions. The Qur'an itself should ideally not be read in any language other than Arabic (the Arabic in which it was written, not in any simplified or updated version). Qur'anic recitation is in Arabic.

The students in Pakistan or Indonesia or elsewhere who pass their young lives memorizing Qur'anic passages are essentially memorizing Arabic, a language that they do not know at all, and understand most imperfectly.

Yet it is 7th century Arabs, real or imaginary, who must serve as a guide to existence...".

Just in case 'frank nolo' is not a Mohammedan in a mask, but a brainwashed dhimmi (though his style and tone are deeply Mohammedan...I speak from experience of many, many Mohammedans who have posted here over the years), a word of advice to him:

Spend Some Time At MEMRI TV where he can hear what Mohammedan preachers - many of them very popular - say to each other and to their 'flocks', on mainstream (often government-run) TV channels in the Mohammedan world.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/40982

Saturday, 3 March 2012

"SPEND SOME TIME AT MEMRI TV

"I just spent a few minutes -- I'll be returning later to the same place- at MEMRITV -- in order to watch videos of Muslim clerics, Arab journalists, and others whose minds have been formed by, or affected by those formed on, Islam.

"Watch just a few of these videos.

"See the deep and Nazi-like hatred and craziness.

"These are people from elsewhere -- from another intellectual and moral planet, even if, in their outward aspect, a few may seem to look as if they might, sometimes, be mistaken -- coat, tie -- for Western men.

"Introduce others, and especially those who make policy, who presume in government or in the press to instruct and protect us, to start looking at MEMRITV.

"Its videos make an unforgettable impression."

So writes Hugh Fitzgerald, formerly a regular contributor to this very forum.

And after he had written it, another person added their recommendation:

"3 Mar 2012
jewdog

"When my daughter came home from college spouting some of the usual platitudes from her idiotic professors about the Mideast, I simply told her to watch some MEMRI.org TV to get reset to reality.

"She did and was - took about an hour, maybe less."

BTW, lots and lots of those 'clerics' whose ravings, tantrums, gibberings and hysterical shriekings have been translated by the heroic efforts of the MEMRI team, so that we can all see exactly what these people are on about, are Mohammedans from Egypt...

Harry potters army said:

"The poster calling himself 'frank nolo' claims that there is no Arab supremacism within Islam."

There are plenty of Arab supremists PRACTICING Islam, not WITHIN Islam. There is a difference. There are plenty of Jewish and Christian PRACTISING extremism and terrorism (like Hitler), but there is nothing in the Torah or Bible that supports their position, so whats your point? What applies to Christianity and Judaism doesnt apply to Islam? Why, just because for whatever the reason you don't spend enough time studying psychology so you don't know that people who have an innate, subconsious desire to be violent, would likely end up commiting violent acts regardless of their religion?

Hitler was the ultimate Christian extremist jihadi, so should Israel now use all their nuclear weapons to attack every single Christian person? Nope. I agree with Harry Potter about the existance of Arab supremists. I have met them too, spoken to them and heard their nonsense. The King of Morocco is an Arab supremist, and so is his entire family. They hate America to the core (although they don't say it publically) yet we coddle him and the Saudi's and all the rest of them despite the fact that when they get together, they spew Arab supremist nonsense against Americans (and other Arbas) all the time. Even within the Arab population, you have one Arab family that will actually believe that they are bioligically superiour to another Arab family, simply because of their family name.

I am confirming to you that there are PLENTY of racists in Arabia, just like there are plenty of people in this country that identify with your KKK mentality. So what's your point? You sit there synthesizing your view of a book named the Quran from watching MEMRI but I actually met these people you speak of. I can speak about this topic intelligently and from actual experience, and not from watching some television show. The fact is that I agree with you, there are many people in the Arab and South East Asian world that are racists, just like we have racists in Europe, and racists like you in America. Racism is generally a psychological disorder whereby people have a need or desire to hate others in order to feel better about themselves. It is also a curable disorder, just like drug addiction, gambling and other disorders, but it must be treated with logic.

I have spent my life trying to convert terrorists back to mainstream Islam, and I have had great success with it. The mere fact that I can take some disgruntled person who is using Islam to perpetuate his dysfunction, and convince them that within the pages of the actual Quran, there is absolutely no justification for murder, is proof to me that it is possible for people to change. Why do I know this? Because it is a fact that a book cannot kill anyone. A gun cannot kill anyone without someone behind it to pull the trigger. Material objects cannot commit murder. If you pick up a book, and it tells you to kill someone, are you going to do it? Nope. If someone tells you to jump off a bridge are you going to do it? NOPE. So if we were to make the outrageous claim that the book, which is the Quran, has some special properties inside it that cause people who read it to become murderers, then why arent all muslims killing people? If you made that claim, then I would say "OK what is the death toll from Islamic terrorism?" On 911 we had about 3,500. A bombing here and there can give another hundred here and there. The mumbai attacks was another 200 or so. The beirit bombing. The Israeli athletes. Name every single one and add it up. What is the total? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000? Certainly not more than 1,000,000. But Hitler killed 6 million jews in the most horrific ways, and just because he is a Christian terrorist it was ok. Just because he was a Christian terrorist we need not examine the Bible to try and understand if it is a terrorist text. So there is a doubel standard here. Hitler may or may not have been a Christian in his own eyes, but I read the bible and nowhere in there does it justify what he did. I read the Quran and nowhere in there does it justify what Osama and his crew did. I read the Torah and nowhere in there does it justify the treatment of palestinians who were living on a piece of land for hundreds (if not thousands) of years when the world came along in 1948 and told them "get out, this land belonged to jews since the creation of planet earth, so you had no right to settle here. We dont care if your family has been here for a few hundred years. Get out"

I am not trying to sit there debating between Christians, Muslims and Jews as to which religion is correct, because my position is that all three are correct. You keep trying to label me a Mohamedan or whatever category you feel I should be labeled, just because I don't agree with you, but you don't even know why I don't agree. I just want to save lives. That is the only thing I care about, and I can tell you that I have already saved more lives than you have, so wipe your feet when you step in my house. I have actually prevented terrorist attacks. What have you done? Caused them. I am out there trying to deal with a very difficult population of extremists to get them to agree to stop attacking americans, and you are out there (a so called fellow American) looking for ways to throw me under the bus and provoke terrorism. So if you want to educate yourself about the problem, fine, but if you have nothing intelligent to say but "MEMRI told me all muslims want to kill me" then I will tell you "i will only believe it if hte national enquirer confirms it" You have to understand something. You cant pick up an Islamic version of the National Enquirer and equate such material to the Islamic version of the Wall Street Journal. There are over 1 billion muslims on this Earth. Why should 1 billion people be blamed for the actions of a few lunatics? That is racism on your part.

As much as you just hate muslims, there has never been an Islamic hitler. The appeal of people like Osama and other extremists like Sheikh rahman is not prominent enough to even make a dent in the 1 billion peaceful muslims. Yet Hitler managed to convince an entire nation to actually wage war against humanity based upon what is written in the bible. Still I do not say that the Bible is any more dangerous than the Quran or the Torah. It is people that are dangerous, and violence is nothing more than a failure of intelligence. When a person wants something, and the only way he can obtain it is through the use of violence, then it is simply a manifestation of the persons frustration in his inablity to acquire it using persuasion instead of brute force. Intelligent people will use nothing but persuasion, and if they fail to aquire what they are seeking through non-violent means, they either keep trying until they die or they give up and accept it was never meant to be acquired. That is the difference between intelligent people and violent people.

Harry potter says: "Within Islam, a supposedly universalist religion where all Muslims in the ummah are equal, there is a special place for the Arabs. But how could it be otherwise?"

Thank you. WITHIN Islam, this is actually what the text says. I agree with you that many sects of racists that claim to practice Islam, have forgotten this point. Does this mean that Quran says that Arabs are the supreme race? Nope. SO don't paint all Muslims with the same brush, or else you are a racist. In fact, the Quran makes it very clear (to the vast majority that follow it) that racism like this is forbidden.

Harry Potter says:

""That best of men, Muhammad, was an Arab, and so were the Companions. The Qur'an itself should ideally not be read in any language other than Arabic (the Arabic in which it was written, not in any simplified or updated version). Qur'anic recitation is in Arabic."

The issue regarding Islam and Arabic is simple. The Quran was revealed in Arabic, and the words were written down word for word as they were being revealed. Now for other cultures to learn Islam, it must be translated. In the translation process, it is always possible to have a word or phrase in Arabic that is difficult to translate into another language without losing, diminishing or altering the intended meaning. So it is a chain of custody issue, a scientific issue, and not a culteral issue. There are limitations when translating between languages, so for Islam, when in doubt, consult the original language so as to consult the source. Doesnt prevent anyone from understanding the core precepts of Islam. I dont read or write arabic, and I have only read the Quran in english. At the same time, I wish I knew arabic because I would like to be able to read it in its original form to see if there are any mistakes in the translation. Other than that it is not an issue. The bible was not written in English. If I had my choice, I would love to have an original copy of the bible written in the original language, so that I could compare the current english version with the original. It doesnt exist, so this is something that I wish I could find to be able to study the religion more. The Torah also was not revealed in English, which is why most jews learn the hebrew and pray in hebrew. We dont call them supremists just because the original language of their text is not english.

Harry potter says:

"Just in case 'frank nolo' is not a Mohammedan in a mask, but a brainwashed dhimmi (though his style and tone are deeply Mohammedan...I speak from experience of many, many Mohammedans who have posted here over the years), a word of advice to him:"

You are obsessed with labels. You cannot recoginze what is right in front of your face. I am a human being. I am a psychologist and a scientist. My religion is science and math. A jew would call me a biological jew. A christian would call me a christian. A muslim would call me a muslim. I am all three, which is why i can put myself in each shoe to understand the other persons position. I have three religions, and I am in complete harmony with myself. I am not conflicted, so I cannot understand the conflict between others except but to explain it as a psychological disorder that manifests itself as racism and other forms of dysfunctions.

If you really want to understand militant Islam, you are wasting your time watching MEMRI. Study psychology, and you will realize that humans, no matter what their race or religion, have commonalities in psychology that are not an accident. You are too busy waiting for the antichrist to show up in Iran and destroy the world. You are too busy trying to manufacture an Arabic hitler. Dysfunctional psychology is the issue, not a book called the Torah, Bible or Quran. Hitler is real, and he is out there somewhere waiting to be reborn, but no matter how he comes back to life, he will not be a muslim, christian or jew, no matter what religion he professes. So get a grip and stop being part of the problem, and maybe try to help those that are trying to find a solution rather than throwing us under the bus all the time with KKK talk.