Colorado student quits high school choir over Islamic hymn proclaiming "There is no truth except Allah"

Apologies that should be Isa (pbuh) and not Musa.

Dee Walid

Dee,
Is it true that music and dance are haraam (forbidden) in Islam?

Good Afternoon,

I balk at the stupidity of your comment. Why has nobody told you (or you find out for yourself) that Jesus is not "Issa" of the Quaran.

It is only that he is Lord of Lords and King of kings and infinitely above the false prophet Muhammad (murderer), but then there is always more learned people in life than others, that is no biggie.

I hope you reconsider and join in the wonderful song "Laudetur Iesus Christus!"

gerard

Thanks Robert.
Some people just like to waste other's time, I think.
Stay strong.
gerard.

"Dee Walid" wrote:

Good Afternoon,

I balk at the stupidity of this student. Why has nobody told him (or he find out for himself) that Jesus (Musa) too is an integral part of the Quaran.
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Whatever "Dee Walid's" agenda, it must be pinted out that the "Isa" (not Musa, which is the "Islamic "Moses") is *nothing* like the Jesus of the Gospels.

"Isa" is not a redeemer, and did not die for anyone's sins.

Even more significantly, "Isa's" role in the last days is to "break the cross and kill the pigs"—that is, to abolish dhimmitude, that small, insecure space in Islam where Christians may practice their faith.

After that, Christians are offered conversion to Islam *or death*.

In other words, "Jesus'" role in Islam is to *kill Christians*.

Odd that "Dee Walid" chooses not to mention that...

Dear Mr. Spencer:

Elsewhere "Dee Walid" has claimed to be a British "revert" married to a Muslim man. Of course, I don't know for sure—but from her posts, I believe this is quite possible.

I believe her mistakes are due to her still getting her Islamic bs straight. But she does appear to have all the nasty fervor of a new convert to the "Religion of Peace", including a desire to impose it on the rest of us.

''Well done James !
Well done, indeed !''

Ccoppen wrote:

That being said, the student referred to the use Allah as worshiping another prophet. That is wrong. Allah is simply the Arabic word for God, in use long before Muhammad even came around.
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Well, yes—but does anyone doubt that the "Allah" this song refers to the baleful deity of Islam, rather than just another term for the God of the Bible as, say, Malay-speaking Christians would use the word?

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If he's referencing the worship of Muhammad, however, he's also mistaken. No Muslim would worship Muhammad.
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Technically, you are correct. But the intense reverence in which Muslims hold the "Prophet" Muhammed certainly borders on worship. I believe young James Harper was correct in his general approach, even if he was off on a few of the details.

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Let's get educated, people...
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"Getting educated" is always a good thing. But it is possible to miss the forest for the trees. I believe James Harper was more right than wrong—compelling Infidel children to sing this song is ultimately *anything* but benign.

Good Afternoon to you to Dee Walid,

If Jesus, is a lesser prophet, how come he is said in the Quran and by Mohammed to be sinless, "never pricked by satan". Also, allah himself would not allow Jesus to be murdered. Jesus found so much favor with allah that the Quran states, allah took him bodily to heaven to keep him from being murdered. Not so with Mohammed, he was murdered by the Jewish captive woman, who poisoned him; was allah on vacation or didn't he care about old "Mo". Also, Mohammed had to be cleansed of his sin up to 100 times daily.In the Quran Jesus is always a prophet of honor, respect. There is never a mention of Jesus' sexcapades with daughter-inlaws, and pedophile behaviour towards children. Quran states, Jesus was sinless Mohammed was not; Mohammed was a sinner.

Now, I don't believe that the Jesus of the Quran is the real Jesus, but the Jesus of the Quran shines as a prophet of God far more than the so called fake prophet, Mohammed. Jesus' examples of kindness, healing, and goodness, shine like the "Son of God" that Jesus IS. To bad Muslims can't see the true light of God the Father which shines through His Son Jesus.

Lesser prophet, yeah muslims would rather have a pedophile, rapist, murderer, liar; a totally scumbag sinner.

Muslims are so stupid, so blinded, so insane, they believe the lie rather than the truth even when it shines out from their holy book.

Why oh why would one emulate a "sinner" rather than the sinless one who their god already has shown favor to. That's the insanity of Islam and muslims.

Jesus, a lesser prophet; no, it's mohammed who was never a prophet, a false prophet. Muslims can have their darkness, their destruction their sick false prophet. I'll believe in the Son of God, Jesus the Annointed One.

"There is no truth except Allah" / "Allah is the only eternal and immortal" / "Allahu Akbar" / the Shahada: "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah." = Tawhid.

The core concept of Islam is called Tawhid. It is the religion’s most fundamental concept and holds Allah is one and unique. The Qu’ran asserts the existence of a single and absolute truth that transcends the world; a unique and indivisible being, who is independent of the entire creation. Islam holds that Allah IS the one and only transcendent Truth and moral guideline that has ever existed and that will forever exist. Allah according to Islam is a universal God, rather than a local, tribal or parochial one and therefore is an absolute, unchangeable. Hence, Tawhid, as the core concept of Islam, is in fact a declamation of moral supremacy. Universalist by its very nature, Tawhid was originally declared in order to distinguish explicitly between Muslims as the only true believers on the one hand, and Jews, Christians and pagans on the Arabian peninsula as kuffar on the one hand, with the deliberate intent to override any belief system that went before it and denounce it as immoral polytheism / idolatry. (shirk)

The Quran explicitly denounces both Jews AND Christians for their reverance of Abrahamic figureheads alongside God, which in Islam is regarded as idolatry / polytheism, and is considered de facto kuffar, disbelief, simply because it is un-Islamic. To worship Abrahamic figureheads or even Jesus as the son of God, is resorting to shirk according to Islam, and therefore dilutes the indivisible divine status of the monotheistic Supreme Being that is called Allah. Shirk counteracts Tawhid, and is therefore sinful in Islam. Therefore, Allah is NOT the same as the Christian or Jewish God,(no matter what PC MC Westerners or the Vatican WANT to believe) and this is exactly what the Quran emphasizes all the time.

The Quran states that Allah IS the one and only all-enveloping Truth that has ever existed and that will forever exist and that both Jews and Christians have deliberately distorted Allah's message for their own benefit, turning their attention away from the one and indivisible Truth to occupy themselves with revering Abrahamic figures that 'assume' divine attributes alongside their monotheistic God. The Trinity, as known by Christians, is de facto considered shirk in Islam. Shirk is a pivotal determinant with which Muslims can decide who is in fact a Muslim and who is a kafir !

“If only they [i.e. Christians] had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course, but many of them follow a course that is evil” (5:66).

“Oh People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion, nor say of God anything but the truth. Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, was (no more than) a messenger of God, and His Word which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him. So believe in God and His messengers. Say not, ‘Trinity.’ Desist! It will be better for you, for God is One God, Glory be to Him! (Far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs” (4:171).

“The Jews call ‘Uzair (Ezra) a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. That is but a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. God’s curse be on them; how they are deluded away from the Truth! They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary. Yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him! (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)” (9:30-31).

That is basically the main reason why both Jews and Christians are called ‘people of the book’ but are not commanding equal respect in Muslim-dominated lands and why they are still intermittently subject to persecution in these countries: they are regarded as deliberate distorters of “the universal truth of Islam”. Quite simple, really.

The mere fact that the reverance for God, Jesus, Mary and others (like Catholic Saints) in Christianity is commonly expressed all throughout Western history and its art forms, is de facto an expression of the worst kuffar idolatry / polytheism (shirk) in the eyes of Muslims.

Muslim logic therefore dictates that what can be applied to religions preceding Islam, will necessarily have to apply to all other non-believers, as a consequence, i.e. all adherents of post-Islamic belief systems, philosophies, political systems, and the like, because they constitute an equal threat to the Universal Truth Allah symbolizes to Muslims. Which is why Islam can be called an inherently discriminatory totalitarian ideology that wants to impose universal uniformity. This is the basic essence of Islam, this explains why the OIC wants to limit your free speech under the guise of protection against the defamation of ‘religions’.

“Say (O Muhammad): “He is Allah, (the) One, The Self-Sufficient Master, He begets not, nor was He begotten; And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him.” (Sura 112:1-4)
“He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Immanent: and He has full knowledge of all things.”(Sura 57:3)

Tawhid is pivotal with regards to understanding the moral uniformity Islam wants to impose on all unbelievers. When we consider the indivisible moral absolute Allah represents, we can also derive the ‘logical’ consequences from it, applicable to just about any other religion on this planet. From this innate ‘logic’, Islam equally denounces all other religions as shirk: Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, any type of paganism, atheism, gnosticism,…et al, and therefore even Western standards and values, modernity, and any type of legal system that is at variance with Tawhid. (and which are, as a consequence, not Sharia compliant) Even the historical remnants of pre-Islamic culture, as the expression of pre-Islamic shirk have to be destroyed.

People here may not be aware but A R Rehman was born a Hindu in India. His birth name was Dilip Kumar. He later converted to islam so probably has the fervour of a new convert.

Subhash Chandra Bose was born a Hindu and (so far as i know) stayed a Hindu.

As for this student, i think his actions in refusing to sing this song were highly commendable.
All students should have refused to sing a song which was a tribute to allah.

Quite so, Briars. James Harper shows an awful lot of maturity, common sense and insight for his age.

"Is it true that music and dance are haraam (forbidden) in Islam?"

Strictly speaking, it is. Any activity that can be construed as a means of turning your attention away from the total submission to Allah, is tantamount to idolatry. In a sense, it is the same as worshipping false gods in the Quran. From the Quran itself derives the notion that no Muslim can find pleasure from anything other than the total obedience to Allah. No Fun In Islam has to be taken quite literally. Now, just about any member of the Muslim clergy would tell you that.

Khushi wrote:

Subhash Chandra Bose was born a Hindu and (so far as i know) stayed a Hindu.
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Could be, Khushi. Although he did use the alias "Mohammad Ziauddin"—so he at least posed as a Muslim at one point.

"Allah is simply the Arabic word for God, in use long before Muhammad even came around."

Not true. The Arabic word for “god” is “Al-ilah.” It is a generic title for whatever god was considered the highest god among several. "Al-ilah" is derived from al (the) and ilah (deity).

Allah is the name of the only God in Islam. Different Arab tribes used “Allah” to refer to its personal high god. “Allah” was being worshipped at the Kaa’ba in Mecca by Arabs prior to the time of Mohammed. It was formerly the name of the chief god among the numerous idols (360) in the Kaaba in Mecca before Mohammed made them into monotheists. Historians have shown that the moon god called “Hubal” was the god to whom Arabs prayed at the Kaa’ba and they used the name “Allah” when they prayed.

"What would the commenters who are expressing outrage suggest that Jewish children should do today were they to be confronted with the same situation that I was?"

Well, I think that today your unfortunate experiences would not be repeated. In my children's public schools singing is on the level of "Frosty the Snowman" and the dreidel song. Nothing overtly religious is allowed, and given current views on the legal separation of state and religion this is the appropriate stance.

I don't agree with your assessment of Mr. Harper's motives. You do not know if he is against a public school choir signing "Joy to the World" or not, since he said nothing on the matter of secularism one way or the other. All he spoke about was his personal beliefs and their importance to him. You could be right, but it is just a supposition on your part, and in comparison to the issue raised by Mr. Harper it is a rather unimportant supposition.

Why is it unimportant? Because when American Christians were challenged in the 1960's about the appropriateness of making students such are yourself sing religious songs of another faith in a public school many said "Gee, you are right, it's not appropriate" and agreed to end the practice. Yes, some refused and were forced by the courts (who themselves were mostly Christian) but most did agree. I was one of them. Now, just try to imagine a majority Muslim politry doing the same thing that we did...

"What would the commenters who are expressing outrage suggest that Jewish children should do today were they to be confronted with the same situation that I was?"

Well, I think that today your unfortunate experiences would not be repeated. In my children's public schools singing is on the level of "Frosty the Snowman" and the dreidel song. Nothing overtly religious is allowed, and given current views on the legal separation of state and religion this is the appropriate stance.

I don't agree with your assessment of Mr. Harper's motives. You do not know if he is against a public school choir signing "Joy to the World" or not, since he said nothing on the matter of secularism one way or the other. All he spoke about was his personal beliefs and their importance to him. You could be right, but it is just a supposition on your part, and in comparison to the issue raised by Mr. Harper it is a rather unimportant supposition.

Why is it unimportant? Because when American Christians were challenged in the 1960's about the appropriateness of making students such are yourself sing religious songs of another faith in a public school many said "Gee, you are right, it's not appropriate" and agreed to end the practice. Yes, some refused and were forced by the courts (who themselves were mostly Christian) but most did agree. I was one of them. Now, just try to imagine a majority Muslim politry doing the same thing that we did...and you will get the point.

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"he (Jesus) is a much lower quality prophet than Muhammad(SAW),"
Really?
Here is what your own "holy" books have to say about the HOLY Jesus... and about the FILTHY Muhammad!!!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/05/saint-and-sinner.html

It's partially true. "Allah" (اللَّهِ) is not the Arabic word for God, but it was used at the time of Muhammad. Allah is the masculine form of "Allat" (اللَّاتَ), the moon god.

The word for God in Arabic is "ilah" (إله).

"al" (ال) means "the" and "li" as in "lillah" means by Lah (لِلَّهِ)

If you look at the "lillah" and Allah together, they are missing the Alif- ا, this means that the two articles before the words "Allah" and "lillah" are not aspects of the God of Islam's name.

Therefore, they should be discarded. Allah's name thus ends up as "Lah" (لِهِ).

Dee, how would you feel if you were required to sing a hymn confessing Jesus Christ as God incarnate?

The Isa of the Qur'an is not the Isa of the Christian Scriptures--and PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE don't tell me that the original ones were corrupted, for no Muslim Da'wa artist has EVER come up with anything other than medieval forgeries that support the Qur'an.

The Qur'an says Jesus is only man. The New Testament tells us that Jesus is God Incarnate. (John 1:1-18; Rom 9:5 KJV;Heb. 1; John 1:17-18).

The Qur'an also tells us that Jesus did not die on the cross, when both Old and New Testaments tell us he did (Psalms 22, Isaiah 53, I Corinthians 15, Mark 15, Matthew 27, Luke 23:33-38; John 19:1-30; the whole Letter to the Hebrews).

You argument can convince only the biblically illiterate. The student in the article knows at least a little.

Ignore the Tashkeel on the "lah". I copied it from the Qur'an...

"Could be, Khushi. Although he did use the alias "Mohammad Ziauddin"—so he at least posed as a Muslim at one point."

Subhas Chandra Bose tried to enlist the help of the axis powers on the theory that the enemey of the enemy was a friend. Indian people's goal at that time was to send the British packing. Bose differed from Gandhi's use of non-violence to drive the British out, and thought Indians could use armed revolt as well.

At one point while fleeing India, he had to disguise himself as a Pathan so hence might have use that muslim name. But he was a Hindu who drew inspiration from the Gita.

His contributions to Indian independence cannot be dismissed, and the following article gives a good overview of the history, and an interview with his half-Austrian daughter who seems to also know the history very well.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/may/11inter.htm

As his daughter points out, once the axis fell, and the INA that he founded was tried for treason in an effort to discredit it in front of Indians, it actually had the opposite effect of catalyzing resignations and mutiny in the British Indian army, which hastened the British realization that they could no longer count on the Indians in the British Indian army to control India.

All a bit off topic, and coming back on topic, this kid above is within his right to refuse to sing that song, although it should be noted that Rahman hasn't been exactly an Islamic fanatic to date. For the movie on Bose for which this song was composed, he has composed songs called "Durga puja" as well, and generally, most muslims who work in Bollywood are constrained by the need to be multi-religious themselves.

"I think there would be a lot of outrage if we made a Muslim choir say Jesus Christ is the only truth." It still looks as though he thinks he's in a Christian choir while in fact he's a public school student talking about a public school choir's repertoire."

No, he's in a public school choir that in fact (75% odds) is composed mainly of Christian students - their faith takes precedent over their legal status in G_d's eyes, just as your faith does. There is really no difference between what Mr. Harper said and saying "I think there would be a lot of outrage if we made a Muslim-majority public school choir say Jesus Christ is the only truth."

I seriously question the need to nitpick over the exact words of a high school student.

Other than that I think we are on the same page.

...perhaps Robert banned this "Dee" person, I hope so.

Champ, I hope not. The more examples of transparent islamic bile the easier it is for the counterpoint to islam to be made.

Wellington's suggestion is much more useful.

If you don't like it simply ignore it.

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Elsewhere "Dee Walid" has claimed to be a British "revert" married to a Muslim man. Of course, I don't know for sure—but from her posts, I believe this is quite possible.

I believe her mistakes are due to her still getting her Islamic bs straight. But she does appear to have all the nasty fervor of a new convert to the "Religion of Peace", including a desire to impose it on the rest of us.

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Hi, Gravenimage ...I agree more with you, and at this point it's a little hard to tell. Take care :)

As a Christian, if I ever decide to move my family to Hawaii, it would not offend my sensibilities to allow my children to dance and sing hula along with the rest of the children in school. Hula dances are part of Hawaiian culture and are the indigenous religious practices which pay homage to some of their gods and goddesses. Similarly if I ever emigrated to Israel I would consider exposure to Hebrew customs and prayer to be great opportunities for my children for their overall growth and education. Israel and the Jewish people without Judaism and it's practice are no longer Jewish but a tribe joined only by genetic commonalities, nothing meaningful, no more tradition, no beliefs and no longer the unique and great Jewish people united by their great faith which has helped them endure till now and will forever.
In the case of islam however, knowing what allah represents , I would have make an exception and strongly not permit my children any exposure to islmic rituals and would ensurer they are protected from the harmful doctrine of the koran and it's allah.
This young man has made the correct choice.

I thank you for your information, gamal.

Re Dee: I believe it to be a woman.

Good Morning,

Gamal, peace and patience be with you as with those who understand that I am but an infant in the understanding of Islam. So deep has the knowledge to be that one life time is not enough for understanding Allah'(SWT) message through the last prophet Muhammed(SAW).

I am constantly learning and leaning towards his powerful message...that is one of balance, love harmony and discipline.

Dear Gamal, I am sorry that you feel the way you do, but school, is for learning...so learn well for like you I too am a student; this is for your life well being and that of your children.

Remember the lesser prophets too, Isa(PBUH), Musa(PBUH) and Nou(PBUH), remember that it all stated from Hazraat Adam and Huva, all came to the aid of humanity, now it your turn and mine to carry this divine news forward.

Dee Walid

Dee Walid,

Do you believe that those who criticize, mock, or insult Islam or Muhammad should be criminally prosecuted and punished?

If so, what you you believe should be the punishment?

If not, what should be the response, if any?

typo: "...what do you believe should be..."

Good afternoon,

"Do you believe that those who criticize, mock, or insult Islam or Muhammad should be criminally prosecuted and punished?"

Not ducking the issue here but I am still only a lowly child learning about Islam. I will say it shocks and angers me when I see such wrongs scribed against my prophet (PBUH), my God (SWT) and by extension - my beliefs.

I believe I don't need to fight Allah's SWT battles....he is the strongest God....and if you (all of you) have a different God ...then he is stronger than yours.

He is 24*7 watching, listening and noting, so you folks are going to be held to account - by him - in this life or the next.... those Muslims wanting to "punish" others for mis-scribing are trying to to anticipate his punishments (which could take the form of losing a job or getting unexpected bills, etc) are reacting to their anger rather than seeing the bugger picture.

My advice is for you not to tempt fate, go about your way in peace and just bow in respect when you pass a mosque.

I also believe that you have to be somewhat disadvantaged to keep the faith, those who are well off (like many Westerners) do not thank their God, do not remember him and will be lost soles ultimately.

I believe this is why some Muslim countries and people are poor...they ask for Dua and salvation to bring them peace and thus Allah SWT gets his prayers.

Nothing wrong with that as strategy, thus some Muslim countries will always be poor, whilst some Muslims will migrate/or be born to your countries and thank Allah SWT for their deliverance...but now they don't forget him.

You get the enormous benefit of seeing our beliefs, our way of life, (and critically) a presence of the strongest God at your doorstep and Allah SWT gets his prayers....it is a win-win situation.

I can conclude thus that the more Muslims that you allow into your countries, the better off you will be.

The rest is white noise.

Dee Walid

Dee,

You are avoiding answering the question. I am asking what you think should be done:

Do you believe that those who criticize, mock, or insult Islam or Muhammad should be criminally prosecuted and punished?

If so, what do you believe should be the punishment?

If not, what should be the response, if any?

"These folks seem to believe that this is not a religion. Well, IT IS -- and forcing it on children is really not different, qualitatively, than doing the same with Christianity, Buddhism or Islam."

You are totally wrong stating that qualitatively, teaching in the same manner about Christianity , Buddhism and islam is the same thing.In essence the spirit of islam and the religions you mention are as diametrically opposed as day and night, death and life. The respective tenets and histories of the 'religions' you mention are vastly different.In the case of islam. Unless those teachings are presented accurately and truthfully; example islam glorifies and venerates the murderer, paedophile mohamad then no institution should be allowed to promote to any child in any capacity but other than in it's true light..

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Dee Walid: “Apologies that should be Isa (pbuh) and not Musa.”
And who the hell was “Isa”? Well, there was Allah, the moon god (thus the Islamic crescent), chosen among scores of pagan by Mohammad. He really took a fancy to Allah. Isa? One of the dozens of dead gods listed by H.L. Mencken? Consort of Wontonka, the pebble god who wore a bear suit? Valet of Gout, the god of aching toes? It’s astonishing that anyone takes this stuff seriously.

Dee Walid asks: “Why has nobody told him (or he find out for himself) that Jesus (Musa) too is an integral part of the Quaran.”

Just so long as Jesus keeps his place, and doesn’t go around claiming he’s the Son of God or anything like that, right? It would be “blasphemy,” wouldn’t it? Trying to upstage Mohammad in the variegated vaudeville show that is religion. Off with his head! Or nail him to a cross!

While I know what “pbuh” means, every time I encounter it, I imagine some slob spitting sunflower seeds. It’s too bad Mohammad didn’t appear earlier, such as in the Roman era. The Romans would’ve made short work of him and we wouldn’t have Islam making war on the West. But Mohammad was no better than Attila and Alaric, the barbarians who sacked Rome and filled the void left by suicidal politicians, as American and European politicians are doing today.

Well, Dee, you insulted this kid by calling him stupid. And that’s how I reply to your defamation of his character.

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I loved your comment and I wholly agree, Skeen66! ..so yeah shes insulted me as well.

Poor misinformed "Dee" doesn't know what she's talking about regarding Jesus Christ the LORD in relation to this evil liar, muhammad ...

The Bible states:

"As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God." -- Romans 14:11

...muhammad will bow HIS knee to Jesus Christ, not the other way around.

"Dee Walid' wrote, replying to Gamal:

Dear Gamal, I am sorry that you feel the way you do, but school, is for learning...so learn well for like you I too am a student; this is for your life well being and that of your children.
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Hard to tell if "Dee" believes she is talking to a fellow Muslim here, or if she understands that Gamal is an oppressed Copt in Egypt and just taunting him.

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Remember the lesser prophets too, Isa(PBUH), Musa(PBUH) and Nou(PBUH), remember that it all stated from Hazraat Adam and Huva, all came to the aid of humanity, now it your turn and mine to carry this divine news forward.
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"Huva"? No such Islamic "prophet". I believe this comes from "La ilaha illa Huwa" (no one has the right to be worshipped but Allah).

You'd better get your bullsh*t Da'wa in order if you're going to be successful in pressing your work mates "Daisy" and "Maizy" and those like them into sex slavery.

"Dee Walid" wrote, replying to Kinana of Khaybar:

"Do you believe that those who criticize, mock, or insult Islam or Muhammad should be criminally prosecuted and punished?"

Not ducking the issue here but I am still only a lowly child learning about Islam. I will say it shocks and angers me when I see such wrongs scribed against my prophet (PBUH), my God (SWT) and by extension - my beliefs.
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So—you need to study up more before you can authoritatively say whether or not you believe critics of Islam should be subjected to oppressive "blasphemy" laws under Shari'ah? Lovely.

I can see you have learned *nothing* about human rights despite growing up in such a civilized nation as England. Either that, or you threw out all such knowledge after you "reverted" to your barbaric creed.

I have another question for you, leaving aside the question of state imposition of Shari'ah law. Do you believe that you or your savage coreligionists have the right to threaten critics of Islam? And if so, do you have the right to brutalize such critics? To *murder them outright*?

How do feel about the death Fatwa against Salman Rushdie? Or the threats and plots against the MoToon artists, Lars Vilks, South Park, and Molly Norris?

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I believe I don't need to fight Allah's SWT battles....he is the strongest God....and if you (all of you) have a different God ...then he is stronger than yours.
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Yep—that's what "Allahu Akbar" means—generally shrieked by homicidal Muslims while attacking Infidels.

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He is 24*7 watching, listening and noting, so you folks are going to be held to account - by him - in this life or the next.... those Muslims wanting to "punish" others for mis-scribing are trying to to anticipate his punishments (which could take the form of losing a job or getting unexpected bills, etc) are reacting to their anger rather than seeing the bugger picture.
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The "bugger" picture? Okay, just a typo—but also a marvelous Freudian slip.

You still haven't condemned the actions of your vicious coreligionists who take it into their own hands in "punishing" people exercising their freedom of speech—and I doubt you will. Thus proving yourself another Muslim apologist for Islamic savagery.

Here in the civilized West we have the freedom to criticize the "Prophet" as the vile pedophile, warlord, slave-trader and caravan raider that he was. You can't defend such a pathological figure, so you just want to shut your critics up.

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My advice is for you not to tempt fate, go about your way in peace and just bow in respect when you pass a mosque.
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What is there to "respect" about a mosque? I believe you mean "respect" here in the sense the Mafia uses the term—to mean "fear".

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I also believe that you have to be somewhat disadvantaged to keep the faith, those who are well off (like many Westerners) do not thank their God, do not remember him and will be lost soles ultimately.

I believe this is why some Muslim countries and people are poor...they ask for Dua and salvation to bring them peace and thus Allah SWT gets his prayers.

Nothing wrong with that as strategy, thus some Muslim countries will always be poor, whilst some Muslims will migrate/or be born to your countries and thank Allah SWT for their deliverance...but now they don't forget him.
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Why would you get "deliverance" in an Infidel country—unless there were something about Islam that leads to impoverishment and failure? Of course, that's something you can't bring yourself to look at too closely...

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You get the enormous benefit of seeing our beliefs, our way of life, (and critically) a presence of the strongest God at your doorstep and Allah SWT gets his prayers....it is a win-win situation.

I can conclude thus that the more Muslims that you allow into your countries, the better off you will be.
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What we get is an increase in the crime rate—especially rapes—along with Jihad terrorism, the push to impose brutal Shari'ah law, and the sort of failure and ignorance that lands Muslims on welfare for generations. Oh, and FGM and "honor killings".

Seems pretty "lose-lose" for the civilized West.

With more of you idiots tipping your hand, though—as you are doing here—you are less likely all the time to be welcomed in the civilized world.

Ebonystone

I think you were right on the money when you wrote this, sarcastically:

" Ler's get REALLY PC-MC and include performances of the "Horst Wessel Lied" and maybe a few hymns -- if the scholars can find any -- to Huitzilopochtli."

For millions of persecuted dhimmis - whether Christian, Hindu, Zoroastrian, Sikh, animist, Jewish, Buddhist, Taoist, Confucian, you-name-it - that Muslim shahada, the Azan, and the battle cry of 'allahu akhbar' - have precisely the same sort of resonance that the 'Horst Wessel Lied' and 'Sieg Heil!' and 'Heil Hitler!' had when they sounded in the ears of the inhabitants of Nazi-occupied Poland, France, Netherlands, Denmark...

Any 'song' praising the god of Islam has more in common with the 'Horst Wessel lied' than with Christian and Jewish sacred songs, or with HIndu or Buddhist or Sikh or Taoist or animist invocations and chants.

I don't know whether the Chinese Communists had songs in praise of Chairman Mao; but I'd look askance at any music teacher seriously asking a choir to sing such things, if they existed, or to chant a musical setting of verses from the Little Red Book.

This student, at bottom, objected to singing a piece that involved praise of the same 'deity' that was invoked by the hijackers of 9/11, in the very moments that they slit stewardesses' throats and slammed planes into buildings.

The student's refusal to sing a song that praises the Islamic 'allah' is analogous to a student of 1942 refusing to participate in the singing of a song whose lyrics incorporated - without irony - slogans known to be among those used to instil fervour in the marching armies of Nazi Germany, bushido Japan or Mussolini's Italy.

Dee:

I'm sure if a Muslim were to be required to sing a Christian song there would be all kinds of backlash.....That young man is to be commended for his stance.

This is all working into the end time prophecies in the Bible but people who don't study the Bible are going along just as in "the days of Noah"......

Yes, Yeshua (Jesus) is mentioned in the Koran but only as a prophet... He IS much more than a prophet..... He is G-d. I hope you learn the truth before you meet Him.

Something happened to my first post so I'll try again.

This young man should be commended for his stance not to sing to a pagan god.

Yes, Yeshua (Jesus) is mentioned in the Koran but only as a prophet... He IS much more than a prophet..... He is G-d. I hope Dee and any others who don't know this will learn the truth before they meet Him.

This incident and many more happening today are all working into endtime prophecy...."As in the days of Noah......"

Something happened to my first post so I'll try again.

This young man should be commended for his stance not to sing to a pagan god.

Yes, Yeshua (Jesus) is mentioned in the Koran but only as a prophet... He IS much more than a prophet..... He is G-d. I hope Dee and any others who don't know this will learn the truth before they meet Him.

This incident and many more happening today are all working into endtime prophecy...."As in the days of Noah......"

It looks like an onomatopoetic way of expressing the sound of gasses being forced through the sphincters.

And, as a Christian, I tremble with rage when I see PBUH uttered after Jesus' name--as our bumbler-in-chief did when speaking in Cairo. I have enough Jewish neighbors and kin to know that "alov hasholom", the linguistic cognate to the Arabic expression, calls for peace upon the dead. Jesus is risen from the dead and shown to be the Son of God through this. Hence, Christians ought to ask for his peace upon us and others rather than the other way around.

gravenimage,

"Huva" is Eve in Arabic (different transliteration spellings exist, of course) -- and close to the Hebrew because, of course, it was stolen from the Hebrew; which is odd for a book that is supposed to be pure Arabic.

"As far as I am concerned the key issue is whether the school has other blatantly prostlitizing songs sung or if they have one of the "holiday" song policies that bans any religious tunes."

I disagree. We should be specifically discriminating against Islam, but against no other religion -- because, for obvious reasons, Islam deserves it, while no other religion does. Why is that so hard for people to get this through their skulls, after all the shit Muslims have been doing and all the shit Islam stands for, officially in its texts and unofficially in its culture?