Egypt: Charges finally filed in army's massacre of Christians, but...

Not surprisingly, authorities are not holding the army accountable, but are instead leveling retaliatory charges against two Coptic priests for "incitement." Egypt's post-revolutionary government is beating Orwell at his own game; one will recall that this was the first large-scale public act of brutality of its kind by the army against its people. The Maspero massacre of Christians was the prototype case for the behavior that has followed against other protesters, and what the army got away with there, it has continued against the rest of the population.

But first, they came for the Christians, and no one cared. "Two Coptic Priests Charged With 'Incitement' in Maspero Massacre," by Mary Abdelmassih for the Assyrian International News Agency, February 11:

(AINA) -- Two Coptic priests appeared yesterday before an investigations judge in connection with the events of the Maspero Massacre, in which 28 Copts were killed and 329 injured after being shot and run over by and military Armored Personnel Carriers (AINA 10-10-2011). Father Mattias Nasr of St. Mary's Church in Ezbet el-Nakhl in Greater Cairo and Father Filopateer Gameel of St. Mary's Church in Giza, both founding members of the Maspero Coptic Youth Union, which organized the October 9 demonstration, were accused of causing the death of military soldier Mohamed Ali Shetta, possession of weapons, use of force against the military, attempting to storm the Maspero TV building and incitement to violence.

As evidence, the investigating judge produced video footage collected from radical Islamic websites. "Between the footage there were parts in which a shaikh called on me to convert to Islam," said Father Filopateer.

Commenting on the investigations Father Matthias Nasr said: "I wonder about the conditions prevailing in Egypt now, whereby victims are being investigated, while the real perpetrators are ruling the country and continuing with their crimes against the Egyptian people and peaceful demonstrators everywhere."

According to Father Nasr, the investigations carried out by the military police follow the same lines as those of the Mubarak regime, where the victims become the accused. "We all saw who ran over the demonstrators and who shot at them, all Egyptians saw that on videos and photos. These investigations will not intimidate us or make us retreat from demanding our rights."

Outspoken Coptic Priest Filopateer Gameel said he was not worried about the accusations levied against him and Father Mattias, because they are untrue and can easily be defended, but "the tragedy is the victims of the Maspero Massacre and Two Saints Church in Alexandria will not receive justice, and the assailants will not be punished."

Catch 22:

Father Gameel accused Brigadier Hamdi Badeen, head of the military police, as well as generals Damati, Assar and Mohamad Emara, of being responsible for the Maspero massacre, and submitted evidence against them and asked for an investigation, but the judge told him that being high ranking military officials, they can only appear before a military prosecutor and not a civilian one. "I told the judge as long as the military are ruling the country, none of them will be brought to justice."

The Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights has called for a change to the articles in the Military Judiciary Law to lift the protection of military officers who commit crimes against civilians and to allow the general prosecution to question them.

Father Filopateer said the case of the Maspero Massacre will most likely end with charging the three who drove their personnel carriers with unintentional manslaughter and each would probably be detained only for one week in his unit.

The ruling military council has denied all along that military forces used live ammunition against the Maspero protesters, or that personnel intentionally used armored vehicles to run over civilians.

Fathers Mattias and Filopateer were summoned in October 2011 by the military prosecution but they refused to deal with the military investigations, and demanded a civilian judge on grounds that the military "is a direct opponent in this case." The investigation was mandated by the Minister of justice.

Prior to appearing before the investigating judge, they were informed that they are prevented from leaving the country, together with Coptic attorney Dr. Naguib Gabriel, head of the Egyptian Union of Human Rights Organization, who is due to appear before prosecutors on February 11 for investigation in connection with the Maspero Massacre. Gabriel views this as a political decision "to damage Coptic symbols, and to use them as scapegoats for a crime in which some top military officials are accused of being complicit."
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UK - Muslim fanatics who called for execution of gays and wanted to set up a 'medieval state' under Sharia law in Derby are jailed for up to two years

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099397/Muslim-fanatics-called-execution-gays-wanted-set-medieval-state-Sharia-law-Derby-jailed.html#ixzz1m6U2UjAt

This would never have happened in Mubarak's day! How times have changed.

In UK.Muslim population is hardly 4% and they are virtually ruling the country.All schools serve only halal meat to even non Muslim student,Business houses never advertise 'Merry Christmas' signes for fear of offending Muslims.Islamists boldly shout in UK street corners"death to Queen",and "Islim will rule UK"
and the UK politecions shiver in their pants to tackle the Islamic excesses in that majority Christian country.

But in the case of Egypt, though Coptic Christians form about 10% , they are virtually kept voiceless,and the Muslim community is persecuting them to such an extent,most of them leave the country and go somewhere else.In fact,they are the real sons of the soil of Egypt,speaking the dialact of the pyramid building Parorahs.

Why not U.S. Christian leaders and Republicans press the reluctant Obama to warn the Egyptians,who are still recieving the free dole money from USA? Why the Pope is keeping his mouth shut as the two priests arrested are from the Catholic church? Why the Arch bishop of Canterbury, Who will not open his mouth to the Islamic atrocities of his own country of UK-at least say something about this Coptic Christian persecution in Egypt? Where is the Christian Brotherhood?

Mubarak was at least treating the Christian Copts with respect,and employed many Copts in his ministry.

In Libiya,and in Syria, the Christians stand at greater risk,similar to that of these Coptic Christians-once these governments change hands. In fact if once president Assad is ousted out of Syria,Christians will be persecuted by the in comming Islamic groups.God only have to save Chrstians around the world.

"UK politecions shiver in their pants to tackle the Islamic excesses in that majority Christian country"

It's no longer a majority christian country. It's a secular/agnostic/atheistic/leftist/feminist/younameitist country.
If it were christian as pre-reformation (ie catholic), pisslam would never have gained the foothold it now has.

"God only have to save Chrstians around the world."

Same with Israel.
Who rushes to support Israel?....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuYao27reKk

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Pow! Pow! Pow! What a fighter we have in Robert.

American Politicions and religious leaders should at least copy the Germans in protecting CHRISTIANS in trouble around the world:
German Parliament members appealed for Iran's Christian Paster Nadarkhani’s release Sunday, 22 January 2012 A commission in the German Parliament gathered signatures from Parliament members on a petition for the release of Yousef Nadarkhani. In this petition Parliament members asked the Iranian Government to overturn Nadarkhani's death sentence.
According to Iranian Christian news agency, Mohabat News, Deutsche Welle reported that Nadarkhani's biography was included in the petition prepared by the special commission of the German Parliament. Signatories of the petition expressed their concern over Nadarkhani's life and fate and called on the Iranian government to exonerate him.

Nadarkhani was sentenced to death for denouncing Islam and propagating non-Islamic teachings. Last summer his initial verdict was confirmed by senior judicial authorities.


- Repentance, the only way to get released?

Yousef Nadarkhani has been held in Rasht since 2009 and prevented from having visitors. The judiciary of Gilan province has issued a death sentence for this father of two. The Iranian High Court also confirmed this verdict and said the only way for him to avoid being executed is to "recant" and revert to Islam.

I daresay if Britain was post-Reformation Puritan Christian, the Muslims there would've learned a few very rough lessons from the Roundheads. Who knows? The experience might have tranmogrified them into something pacifistic, the way fire-breathing Levellers, Ranters, and Fifth Monarchy men got beaten into pacifistic Quakers by Cromwell's people.

Come to think of it, a Britain divided into Evangelically-influenced Anglicans and Dissenting Protestants did a good enough job of keeping Muslim populations on their best behavior during a good part of the 19th century.

As for the Spanish reconquista, while at this stage of history I can sort of "understand" it, as someone who has Sephardi blood and is spiritually close to the Netherlands Gerevormeerde folk, the Spain of the Catholic Monarchs and Hapsburgs leaves a somewhat bitter memory.

http://www.anjemchoudary.com/press-releases/muslims-must-demand-their-rights-in-india

UK Jihadists reiterate the laws of the Dhimmah:

"1. They must pay the Jizya depending on what the Khalifah adopts as the amount, for example a minimum of 1 Dinar a year or a maximum of 4 Dinar if rich

2. They must receive Muslims as guests if they are travelling. This applies to Muslims and non-Muslims if Muslims pass by.

3. They must not build any new Temples nor start to sell them and buy new ones as Islam forbids us to co-operate on the bad deeds

4. They must not show their symbols publicly or what is in their religion, like the pigs or alcohol or crosses or idols.

5. They will not do any public gathering of their false religion – like celebrating Christmas or Halloween or Diwali or Guy Faulks night etc…

6. Moreover they must be distinguished by their clothes so that we know who they are

7. They cannot raise their houses above ours

8. They must not harm Muslims in any way, not to insult Allah and his messenger or insult the book of Allah

9. They will have the same liability in relation to the society i.e. the public law like in relation to adultery and stealing etc…"

Thanks for this information!

Thanks for pointing this out. We don't need bigotry sprouting up among ourselves. I wish this site had a 'like' button. :)

"Why the Arch bishop of Canterbury, Who will not open his mouth to the Islamic atrocities of his own country of UK-at least say something about this Coptic Christian persecution in Egypt?"

To answer with grim humor, see Iowahawk's classic "An Archbishop of Canterbury Tale - With apologies to Geoffrey Chaucer"

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2008/02/heere-bigynneth.html

Next they will be sending damages bills to the families of the Copts who were run over by the tanks for scratching them.

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