Yet again, the Islamic supremacists demonstrate that they cannot refute what freedom fighters say, and so they have to shout us down and shut us out, as their intellectual and moral forbears, the brownshirts and blackshirts, did before them.
Monday night it happened at UC-Davis. Pamela Geller has the story -- here are two letters recounting the events, and Pamela has much more here.
To the editor:Last evening (February 27) at a presentation at Wellman 106, I witnessed behavior that has no place at UC Davis. A presentation, “Defending the Israeli Image”, sponsored by Chai-Life Club at UC Davis, Chabad of Davis and Stand with Us by 2 Israelis was repeatedly interrupted by hecklers and individuals whose intent was clearly to disrupt the proceedings. One individual planted himself at the back of the room and continuously shouted slurs (“rapists, murderers”) and refused to allow the event to proceed. Although most of the individuals who could be described as opposed to the ideas presented confined their behavior to occasional hooting and jeers, 6-8 individuals felt empowered to prevent any collegial exchange of ideas. Under the circumstances, the Israelis, a former member of the Israeli Defense Forces and a Druze woman showed grace and courage.
Disgracefully, campus security and the UC Davis Police did nothing to prevent this behavior. I was told that they were following orders to do nothing unless there was violence. They also refused to take the names of the disruptive individuals. Clearly this sets a chilling precedent for future campus public events where one individual could disrupt the event without any fear of consequences. To me, this represents the antithesis of what should occur on a university campus. I call on the campus administration, particularly Chancellor Linda Katehi, to investigate what occurred at this event and take appropriate actions against those who behaved outside of the UC Davis code of conduct. I further call on Chancellor Katehi to take appropriate action to prevent similar occurrences in the future.
David Siegel MD, MPH
Professor of Medicine
Department of Medicine
UC Davis School of MedicineDear Police Chief Spicuzza,
I am writing to complain about UCD Police behavior at an event at 7:00 pm in Room 106 of Wellman Hall last night (Monday, Feb 27, 2012). That event was a program featuring two Israelis talking about what they do in Israel (one was a soldier, one not).
From the outset of the program, hecklers interrupted the program making it impossible for the program to proceed. One particular heckler hurled epithets at the speakers preventing their exercise of free speech--and the ability of the audience to listen. I am including a link to a video made at the event so that you can hear for yourself what he said and how he said it.
(youtube url). (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZChRd0irVOc&feature=youtu.be)
After this had gone on for some time, I approached a police officer who was standing idly by and asked why he was there if not to ensure order--and why the heckler was not being removed. He specifically and absurdly responded to me: “We have been instructed by our superior not to stop hecklers, and if you try to stop the hecklers, we have been instructed to close down the program.”
Eventually, after some 15 or 20 minutes the heckler left and the program continued. Heckling to a lesser degree continued all the way through the question and answer period. That the police did nothing was frankly infuriating. I would appreciate your response.
George Rooks
Retired faculty UCD
He [campus cop] specifically and absurdly responded to me: “We have been instructed by our superior not to stop hecklers, and if you try to stop the hecklers, we have been instructed to close down the program.”
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Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner for this year's Profiles in Putty award!
Namely, whoever gave this campus cop his "instructions."
As Molly Pitcher once said, "Shoot if you must this old gray head, but spare the heckler's veto."
Well we have to give credit to the enemy, namely ISLAM, that it is creeping in to destroy the freedom of speech as it was planned. This filtration of ISLAM and it's SHARIA at this day of information is still amazing to me. We have to fight against it with WHATEVER we have. We have no choice anymore.
“We have been instructed by our superior not to stop hecklers, and if you try to stop the hecklers, we have been instructed to close down the program.”
UCD police officer
Had the speakers been Muslims, you can bet your sweet bippy that cop and others would have immediately confronted and stopped any hecklers trying to disrupt (in exactly the same manner as depicted on this video) the speech of the Muslims.
Some people should put this to the test: pretend to be a Muslim advocacy group, sign up to speak at UCD, then get some friends to pretend to heckle you (following the same mannerisms in this video), and see what the cops do.
C'mon then Fayzal of S Africa, let's hear your opinion. Is this brutish behavior a result of what these hecklers believe, or is it nothing to do with Islam? Isn't this behavior racist and hate-filled?
Your post on another thread tries to pretend that Islam is nothing to do with forming one's moral character.
Clown!
At 0:23 the stupid heckler shouts: "You're a child molester"
Really? Did you read this passage from your disgusting unholy books about what your, even more disgusting, "Prophet" used to do to little boys?
رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين وقبل زبيبته . رواه الطبراني واسناده حسن
Translation:
"I saw the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him putting Hussein’s legs apart and kissing his (little) penis. Reported by Al-Tabarani and it's authentication is good."
Talkhis al-Habir, Ibn Hajar #60-61
Muslim, keep your heads down.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/03/pedophile-muhammad-mahomet-le-pedophile.html
Hmmm - UC Davis - isn't that where the intrepid campus cops hosed down some non-violent (annoying, yes, but violent and threatening, no) sit-in "Occupy" protesters with Mace a few months ago?? I guess the law suits from that have completely cowed these idiots, and will give free rein to thugs going forward...
By the looks of it, the college authorities who allowed the presentation to take place are involved with the sociopaths who disrupted that same event, why else whould they order police to shut the event down in the case they themselves started to confront or stop the hecklers who per se disrupt the event?. From the beginning those college authorities clearly wanted the presentation to be disrupted and susbsequently closed down either by a proxy(disruption by hecklers) or by having the cops directly intervene(shutting the whole thing down). We're talking about sabotage.
Had to laugh about the rape and child molester charges by the one young Muslim rube. Muslims should be careful throwing around charges of rape and child molestation since their Profit (yeah, I prefer this spelling; it's so much more accurate) was both a rapist and child molester. Major projection here.
Now if only that punk would go into a Mosque on friday and tell the Imam to denouce Muhammed's pedophilia and the sanctioned child-abuse and pedophilia in Iran and Saudi Arabia.
But NOOOOO, he agrees with Pedophilia and misogyny when the pervert Moe is having sex with a 9 year old girl and traumatizing her.
The sad part is that these muslims are too stupid to know how really stupid they are and they will continue to deny free speech to others as they promise Peace and Justice from a murderous/oppressive/death-cult faith that needs to use promises of sex in paradise to lure in the village idiots and sex-starved pathetic males with yellow teeth and bad breath.
I expect CAIR to excuse away this fascist islamic supremacy thug because of the centuries of islamophobia
and oppression by " The Joooooos" to muslims.
Hooper will also claim that it's no fair to blame 1.2 billion muslims for the actions of the 99.9% that are either complicit by their silence, or overtly support armed jihad and the murdering of non-muslims as a favour to their version of god.
The thugs was baiting people to touch him while one of the weasel women with the hijab must have had a standard camera to start running it only AFTER the inciting of a response so the video can infer to people that muslims ARE the oppressed one kicked out of a meeting.
A nifty trick would be to plan to have a back-up room near-by, then, when the islamic supremacy thug stands up and proves he's a idiot...people slowly leave for the other room until the Bozo is the only one left, then the door is shut while the Speaker has a side door by the stage to flee to the room where eveyone awaits the rest of the meeting.
They lock the moron in the room and then security knows where the thugs is to keep them away from the freedom-lovers that condemn pedophilia and homophobia, Security can delay the yahoo by taking a Statement to jusifty segregated the loser.
Either that , or give him 3 minutes on the Mic to prove to everyone he a complete fascist idiot if he promises to sit down because this will negate any attempt to claim that muslims don't get to use the media or mic to clear-up the misunderstandings about islam and its peace.
Any way would be a new policy to book Freedom lovers first on the schedules and that for every minute the Fascists thugs delay the speech the lost times comes off the leftists liberals or islamists spewing hatred in the next booking instead of losing the time to thugs.
Lets see how the RAINBOW/Liberals like that when pro-pedophilia goons disrupt a meeting and eat into their time by 15-20 minutes. I doubt they would complain because the islamists would slit their throats in a heartbeat of hang them like Iran does while a US Judges blames the victims for offending the quran and Shariah law.
I wish I was joking but in canada there is an Imam/Cleric that has a video that demonizes gays and confirms that the queruan approves killing them, this Imam still goes on the CBC and TVO tpo spew the Modeerate view of islamic and its PEACE. The CBC had Dr.Sheema Khan from CAIR whom went on their TV shows as the Moderate voice while she was employed with CAIR that endorsed hamas and terrorism . Con-job Khan also spearheaded the Crusades to eg tSharaih Law Courts in canada for muslim-only females while the leftist/Socialists embraced Kahn's CON that islam=Peace.
Scratch a Moderate msulims and you'll find a potential or active fascist wanting 6'000'000'000 non-muslims to convert or DIE.
I've never heard of such a thing--where heckling was allowed to continue at length--this is absolutely appalling. And imagine if a muslim were up in front speaking to the audience and someone heckled him? ..my gosh the heckler would have been tackled by a mob of mohammedan linemen right there on the spot, and without the help from police. Oh, and the heckler's face would be splashed all over the 6:00 news, and then CAIR would get involved, etc; muslims have such ridiculous double standards!
rapists, murderers, child molesters... ----
Besides thieves, buffoons.
Followers of the pedophile, sex offender and rapist Pedohammed are indeed pathological hypocrites and phonies. They literally have no shame, social conscience and decency whatsoever, ergo they're sociopaths.
Apparently the officers here under the command of UC Davis Campus Police Chief Spicuzza are clueless to the rights of the invited speaker(s). The heckler is violating the speakers first amendment right and yet the campus officer does not recognize his duty to remove the heckler.
Apparently Chief Spicuzza appears to be quite incompetent as to her training. This is the Chief that could not handle the occupy group that ended up getting heavily pepper sprayed a couple of months ago.
Let's remember what the result was on a similar incident at the Irvine University Campus that lead to the arrests of several Muslims who clearly orchestrated a heckling attack on Iraeli Ambassador Michael Oren a few years ago. They were successfully prosecuted by a tough no nonsense prosecutor in Orange County.
The women heard in the background is advising that this individual is in violation of California Penal code 403 which is defined as a misdemeanor.
Please read here, it is the very first one:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=403-420.1
The campus police officer had every right to arrest this individual and he should have been doing what he was paid for.
What kind of training are they getting on this campus? UC Davis is struggling enough as it is to get tax payer money for their campus which is located 20 miles west of the state Capital of Sacramento.
what a POS!!
Why is it that universities allow these restrictions on free thought, from the hate-preachers and jihadis they invite to the spittle-flecked 'protests' they tolerate?
Just drumming my fingers and waiting for the revolution.
If the rube is a student he can be expelled.
The rube certainly has a reasonable time place and manner opportunity to whine outside that particular room.
(If I were to honor Penn. Judge Martin's rule I could choke him for two seconds and then menace him for two minutes. That might be just enough time to forcibly eject him from that room.)
Stupid of that faculty member to say that's not the way they do things at UC Davis: that is exactly how these craven cowards allow these outrages there and this disruptor knows it. I'm sure these Muslims are all laughing at these craven UC Davis infidels. Shame on the UC Davis administration, but cowards like these have no shame as they hide behind their pathetic excuses.
What I've noticed about close-minded people generally, and most particularly muslims, is that they often wrong, but never in doubt.
Never but never do they have facts to support their mindless accusations, but neither facts nor shame ever prevent them from yelling their baseless charges.
Civil discourse with people who intend to kill you? Gimme a break!
Lies and thuggery are all they have. They are desperate to shut down reasonable discussion. They can't stand it.
This problem child has no clue what freedom of expression is. It is protection from self-appointed dictators and thugs such as him who want to shut down other people's freedom of expression.
Besides the disruption, this ignorant, arrogant, spoiled brat appears to have committed a criminal offense by engaging in defamation (in this case, slander; accusations of rape and child molestation, etc., directed against at least one individual there). His only defense would be if his allegations toward the individual he accused were true, which I'm quite sure they are not. Not sure about the particular laws in that jurisdiction, but this is a pretty clear cut case of libel as far as I can tell. If this is not a criminal offense, then surely, as a next resort, he can be sued over it.
Then, of course, there is the "kangaroo" system within the university whereby the aggrieved parties may seek retribution.
If nothing can be done in courts, this screaming brat's image is now all over the internet, and there are all kinds of perfectly legal things the aggrieved parties can and should do to obtain appropriate retribution. The thug obviously wants to go public. Get his name, attach it to the video, post that on the internet, and voila, this thug has a permanent record of his own public behavior on the internet that future employers, friends, associates, etc., can find just by a brief search.
Oh, the naiveté of that fatuous fool.
p.s. Again, I maintain that those who disrupt these events should have to cover the complete costs of the event (including security) disrupted as well as the cost of the event to replace the event disrupted. If this is not a rule on the books at the university, it should be.
I wonder how this would have went if someone tried to heckle a Muslim Student Association meeting?
Expulsion for "racism" and FBI involvement wouldn't be surprising.
If I were the people being heckled, I would be consulting a lawyer to civilly sue the school and the individuals involved. One step further, attempt to bring criminal charges against the hecklers. Just make sure the case comes before a non-muslim judge (re Mark Martin the Muslim POS).
Top Islamic authority tells main qualities of Jews according to the Qur'an
The following article used to be posted at IslamOnline.net, but the scandal of it apparently made Islam Online decide it prudent to remove the article for the time being. But it can still be found at numerous other sites on the web by pasting some of the below text into Google. In the article, Sheikh 'Atiyyah Saqr (died 2006), the Head of the Fatwa Committee at Al-Azhar University, the chief center of Islamic and Arabic learning in the world, cites numerous Qur'an verses about Jews:
End of the Al-Azhar Sheikh's Qur'an citations about the Jews.
I suspect the Muslims were from the Muslim Students Association who were sent to stop the free speech event because free speech is Un=Islamic...
I dare these thugs - no, I double dare them to bring their brutish behavior to the university at which I work.
I guarantee you; the cops and some of my students competing in martial-arts would teach these thugs a lesson, then drop them off in the desert without a second thought and no qualms.
The problem is, they're not just at the gates.
Some damn fools let them inside. And look at the trouble already, even with their relatively small numbers. Enjoining free speech by any means, lying through their decayed teeth, plotting violence, twisting our rights like pretzels, demanding their way--and too often, getting it. Is there any reason to expect that this won't get worse?
I know this is begging the question...but would any of this be happening if muslims weren't here? Sooner or later (looks like later) this question will have to be faced.
Talk about an "inconvenient truth!"
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Does anyone here know if this institution has accepted or is accepting hefty donations from benefactors from the sauds? It sounds like it could be staff and faculty is being bought and paid for to defend muzlum-friendly behaviour like this. Or at least it wouldn't suprise me.
Hey Indian muslim, you have turned all areas you have taken over into land of rape, forced pedophilia and child marriages, acid attacks against non complying women and girls, hate and violence against non muslims, and other despicable acts that are in line according to your koran. First look in the mirror to see who is the doing the oppressing.
To all the decent posters here who are shocked by this behavior—both on the part of the heckling thugs *and* on the part of the do-nothing campus police—I hate to tell you that you shouldn't be.
That *does not* mean I am condoning any of this insanity—just that it is nothing new. I attended another university in the UC system—UC Berkeley. Things were already pretty bad for "politically incorrect" speakers and causes then—especially Jews and Israel—but also for conservatives and anyone else deemed "uncool".
And it has only gotten much worse since.
I saw Nonie Darwish get heckled and shouted down at Berkeley a couple of years ago. The campus police were instructed to do nothing unless there were actual assaults.
Hecklers were not supposed to bring in signs—they smuggled a huge one in anyway. The sign *was* removed—to hoots, boos, and cries of "police brutality", but the hecklers were allowed to stay.
And from everything I have heard, it is hardly just the UC system at this point. Robert Spencer and other anti-Jihadists have been shouted down many times at colleges and universities.
Appalling—but hardly unusual anymore.
Notice how in the first video he claims to be an Indian.
I wish I was there, I would have taken him on that alone.
If he was Indian he would not be heckling an Israeli presentation.
Therefore he must be a Paki.
Or, if he is Indian, I want to know what group he belongs to and where his loyalty lies in terms of the issue about the Land of Kashyap....Kashmir.
Yup! Just read his comments at You tube, he`s using the name UCDAVISHECKLER....he's a Paki!
I am not surprised at him to be an Indian dhimmi or Indian muslim. To me they are both equivalent.
If he is Indian muslim his loyalty lies with the ulema. Indian muslims supports the muslim majority state of Kashmir. This isn't surprising either since Indian muslim claim the whole of India as their land, and they expect it to be theirs eventually. In India stealth jihad is in full swing, and it supported by the traitorous ruling Congress party
It is time to deploy the weapons of sound. Air horns directly into the hecklers ears will cause a man's spine to collapse. These should be brought by enough people to just make heckling a difficult thing to accomplish. Let the hecklers throw the first punch.
I have to admit. The guy's lucky I wasn't there. I'm not the kinda Christian I'd like to be. However compare this guy and how he spreads "the message" with this quote out of Josh McDowell's book "evidence that demands a verdict":
"But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to every one who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, (and in parenthesis),yet with gentleness and reverence" 1 Peter 3:15
I slam Islam I guess because it's so damned easy.
He's the kind of guy, this punk in the video, who would murder one of my heros. A Buddhist Monk who was confined and tortured for eighteen years in a Chinese prison was asked by the Dali Lama if he was ever afraid. He said "Yes. There was one thing I was afraid of. I was afraid I would lose my compassion for the Chinese".
I'm not there yet. But I know who I would like to emulate.
The Dali Lama said of him; he had changed...after all that time in prison. But he was still the same gentle monk.
To quote from the ficticious Great Lama in Lost Horizons: "Be Kind".
Get a load of the "Hate Free Zone on the UC Davis Police web site. UN REAL:
http://police.ucdavis.edu/crime/hate-or-bias-incidents-1/hate-or-bias-incidents
I went on to complain about this incident and my jaw literally dropped when I saw this. I Could Not Believe It.
Where was the UC Davis cop that pepper-sprayed those lice-infested Occupy clowns last fall, when they really needed him?
Maybe the pro-Israel students at UC Davis should contact some of the good folks at UC Irvine for suggestions. I realize NoCal is much more liberal than SoCal, but there has to be something that can be done to keep these Islamic thugs in check.
PJ wondered: “Why is it that universities allow these restrictions on free thought, from the hate-preachers and jihadists they invite to the spittle-flecked 'protests' they tolerate?”
They allow them because our universities are largely staffed and run by the Left, and the Left has formed an alliance with Islamic supremacists. That’s why. The Left is as anti-Israel and anti-West as Islam. The Left wishes to impose its version of totalitarianism, and sees in Islam an ideological ally. For a discussion of this version of the Nazi-Soviet “non-aggression” pact, see:
http://ruleofreason.blogspot.com/2012/02/islamic-rules-for-radicals.html
The Left and Islam do not believe in freedom of speech. They wish to abolish it. Our universities, and those in Britain and France and other countries, were stealthily taken over by the “radicals” of the 1960’s and 1970’s, who adopted the strategy of “boring from within” and becoming a part of the “establishment” in order to indoctrinate succeeding generations of students. Look at Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn. They stopped throwing bombs and got their degrees, as did countless other rioters and hecklers and criminals. They were successful. The Muslim Brotherhood likewise is “boring from within” to introduce Sharia law in this country and to insulate Islam from any and all criticism. The Left and Islam comprise a pincer movement and share the same tactics and ends: conquest of especially the U.S. and the eradication of Israel.
It’s all really quite simple. I hope this answers your question.
What is very ironic is that this Indian muslim heckler most likely has hindu ancestry and is too stupid to know it. He is, like most muslim Indians, a product of forced conversion, slavery, rape of a Hindu female ancestor or economic reasons (jizya). This is how Islam annhilates cultures. These zombies then turn on their own ancestors.
This man is now in the West and continuing his colonization (oops immigration) of the States, after India's genocide of 80 million hindus.
This is why Islam must be mocked, criticized and exposed. It is like a virus and the progeny of the victims become aggressors. Islam is relentless.
does this disturbance indeed protected by first amendment?
It is irony and hypocrisy for someone whose Islamic cult sanctions the rape of wives, the Qur'an telling husbands to plow their fields (wives) as they see fit, and to rape those captives (and sex slaves) their right hands possess, would accuse anyone else of rape. It is similarly irony and hypocrisy for anyone whose Islamic cult demands murdering unbelievers (of Islam) simply because they are unbelievers (of Islam) as the only sure way to (sexual) paradise.
It is irony and hypocrisy for someone whose Islamic cult sanctions the rape of wives, the Qur'an telling husbands to plow their fields (wives) as they see fit, and to rape those captives (and sex slaves) their right hands possess, would accuse anyone else of rape. It is similarly irony and hypocrisy for anyone whose Islamic cult demands murdering unbelievers (of Islam) simply because they are unbelievers (of Islam) as the only sure way to (sexual) paradise, of being a murderer.
“We have been instructed by our superior not to stop hecklers, and if you try to stop the hecklers, we have been instructed to close down the program.”
It sounds to me like the cop wants to be on the side of right and knows his orders are idiotic or he wouldn't have elaborated on what his instructions were if someone tried to stop the hecklers. Speaking the truth with frankness to the people concerned is one way of confronting the instructions of a foolish superior without losing ones job. Usually.
The solution?
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/120583-new-speech-jamming-gun-hints-at-dystopian-big-brother-future
ygalg wrote:
does this disturbance indeed protected by first amendment?
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No, it is not. Violently shouting someone down is not true freedom of speech—it is, in fact, *preventing* the victim's exercise of his own freedom of speech.
Moreover, this did not happen out on the street—a university is a public/private space, and the university can see to it that people are allowed to speak when a group has reserved an auditorium for that purpose, as did the organizes of this event.
But the campus police are not enforcing this. Why? They are taking the path of least resistance—they are letting the most aggressive element set the rules of engagement.
If the event's speakers are not allowed to talk, they will grumble and write a few irate letters.
If the Muslim thugs are not allowed to disrupt things without hindrance, they will likely violently confront the police, then attempt to sue the school and the police later.
It is simply "easier" for the university and campus security to allow this miscarriage of justice.
But this only makes things "easier" in the short run—in the long run, it enables and even encourages thuggery—and that makes things bad for everyone—champions of freedom of speech, the university authorities, the police—worse for everyone, in fact, except the thugs themselves...
Anyone ever hear of Krav Maga? Quit acting like victims. If muslim thugs offer violence,respond in kind
I am aware of these rude, thuggish disruptions at colleges and universities but it never ceases to amaze me that this is permitted by university officials. When I was in college, nobody would have dared to interrupt a speaker.You got tickets to the lecture, sat down, and kept your mouth shut until the Q&A session after the speech. Then you raised your hand and hoped you were picked to ask your question. If you didn't like the topic or the speaker, you stayed away. I know times have changed but this type of behavior is not only rude, inconsiderate, bullying, and disruptive, it is a crude, low-class, ghetto tactic of intimidation.
Why bother to bring in speakers if they will only be shouted down by muslims and left-wing radicals? Would it be compltely unreasonable to forbid this type of behavior and expel those who don't comply? What happened to all the rules of conduct, courtesy, and appropriate behavior that once kept colleges and universities civilized, pleasant places? I wonder if parents know what goes on in the halls of higher education these days, what their kids are being taught. It is frightening.
I find it difficult to question these Muslims intentions, principles, and ideology.
And here is why, To begin with (decades ago) nobody ever questioned Muslims behaver before, why would they do it now?
We've allowed it since the begining (airplanes being taken over) when Muslims were always excused and judges let them go without punishment. Yes the U.S. brought these hidious crimes onto themselves by appeasing the guilty.
You don't think so? O.K., What happened to this heckler? How was he punished for disrupting the speaker in the event?
How many days did the heckler spend in jail?
SusanP wrote:
Why bother to bring in speakers if they will only be shouted down by muslims and left-wing radicals?
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Well, that's the whole point, Susan—to either disrupt free speech, or dissuade anyone from trying to exercise it in the first place.
The crazy thing is that we've *let them do this*.
I read about that today, John. It's really cool.
Previously, it had to be connected to a PC, but now it's stand-alone!
The perfect Anti-Free-Speech-Heckler-Device.
Bwahahahahahahahaha!
:)
The heckler is a case of 'Projective Indentification'. "In MuhamMAD you have a perfect example' of a child molester, rapist & murderer.