Krauthammer: How about an apology from the OIC?

Poor Obama. He's tried everything and I mean everything -

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to calm the waters and smooth things over but his muslim brothers just won't give him a break.

The OIC terrorist sympathizer should be the first to grovel to the US. We shouldn't be "sorry" for anything. Not to the Afghani jihad and not to any of the Muslim world. What happened wasn't our fault, it was the "extremists" in the prison who led to them being burned. Why isn't the "righteous Muslim Ummah" taking it out on them?

If they don't like it they can continue burning effigies in the streets.

Whine, whine, whine.

Kill, kill, kill.

Those are the only actions that they take.

Peter Lavoy
Acting Ass Dhimmi Secy

Kirstin Powers, future Dhimmi Secy.

This response from Muslims says something important about the nature of conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims in Muhammad's time, as reported in the Muslims' own core texts. The Muslims in Muhammad's time also made it all but impossible not to be in conflict with them. Essentially, the sheer existence of non-Muslims tended to be "offensive" as far as Muslims were concerned. Today on the basis of their core texts huge numbers of Muslims believe themselves entitled to lord over non-Muslims, and if you don't know your dhimmi place and go along, you've "offended" them and they have a right to destroy you. Unless, of course, they are still weak and only a small percentage of a nation's population. In that case, they say what Muhammad said when he was weak, in the early days in Mecca. "To you be your religion, to me be my religion," and other statements of pseudo-tolerance meant to save Islam until Muhammad was strong enough to make it dominant.

So the next time you hear the line that there was conflict between the Muslims and non-Muslims in Muhammad's time, and that the non-Muslims persecuted the new Islamic religion, remember everything that is happening now. Muhammad wasn't persecuted. People just had limits on how much they could take of his frequent supremacist insults, threats, and when he grew strong, his violence.

Here's one very good video presentation of relevant material:
Three Stages of Jihad

What do you expect from someone who rejected--I mean--returned the bust of Winston Churchill, a truly great leader who understood Islam's threat to the civilized world? Why, he acts as if he's not even an American citizen. Or at least like one who spent his formative years in an Islamic culture.

What do you expect from someone who rejected--I mean--returned the bust of Winston Churchill, a truly great leader who understood Islam's threat to the civilized world? Why, he acts as if he's not even an American citizen. Or at least like one who spent his formative years in an Islamic culture.

Krauthammer is normally very insightful, and usually comes up w/ analysis that few others think thru - it's not like any of the other Conservative talking heads would come up w/ them. But when it comes to Islam, somehow he goes into the Daniel Pipes mode, and describes the problem to be 'Islamism', w/ all that it entails. Indeed, except Hugh Fitzgerald, I've seen few who analyze these aspects properly.

One interesting contrast though - most of the anti-Jihad analysts like Warraq, Phares, et al consider Islam/aspects of Islam to be the problem, some like Ali Sina and some IslamWatch guys think that the problem is Islam but not so much Muslims (at least the ones that can be reformed by apostasy) while Krauthammer here thinks that Islam, in its pristine state, is fine & dandy, but the problem is Muslims all over the OIC.

How about this possibility - that both Islam itself, and effectively, all Muslims worldwide, are the problem? Can we all agree on that?

Sorry for the double post - Marisol, please delete the first of the 2, as well as this one.

Kirsten Powers - “If Bibles were burned,” she said, “I think people would be demanding apologies.”

Saudi Arabia Desecrates Hundreds of Bibles Annually
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1410190/posts

Australia : Muslim Students Urinate, Spit On Then Burn Bible
http://justifythis.blogspot.com/2006/12/australia-muslim-students-urinate-spit.html

Christians in Gaza Fear for Their Lives as Muslims Burn Bibles and Destroy Crosses
http://voices.yahoo.com/christians-gaza-fear-their-lives-as-muslims-403365.html

Muslims burn Bible in Pakistan
http://www.speroforum.com/a/17283/Muslims-burn-Bible-in-Pakistan

Well, this seems to indicate that there is a glimmer, a trickle of hope that the stillicide of the drops of data over years (which actually has been a heavy downpour -- a frigging tsunami -- of relentless rain readily apparent to anyone of unremarkably average intelligence) can begin to penetrate even the thick vault of stone that surrounds Krauthammer's brain on the matter of the problem of Islam.

If I keep thanking Allah for small favors like this, I may be in danger of reverting....

Krauthammer has always frustrated me. I think that, like many articulate anti-jihadist writers, he is reluctant to condemn Islam across the board simply because it’s a religion, and he may do this for the sake of Muslims who aren’t violent. Perhaps he also thinks that Islam can be “reformed.” As I have often argued in the past, Islam can’t be reformed without killing it. You can no more “reform” Islam than you can an alchemist’s sanctum by redecorating it with pictures of Einstein and Pasteur on the walls and furnishing it with Formica tables. It will still be an alchemist’s sanctum.

Krauthammer practiced psychiatry, and one would think that he would examine the psychological appeal of Islam, and conclude that it requires no thought – in fact, demands that Muslims surrender their minds to brute authority – and so Islam, as a guide to living, is basically a guide to death. It spares Muslims the obligation of becoming individuals in command of their lives, of becoming independent thinkers, and inculcates the habit of deferring to mystical authorities who refer to a textbook that justifies murder, rapine, torture, and theft – with a quantum of pretty-sounding poetry thrown in. And in condemning Islam without reservation or shilly-shallying about all the wretched manqués who are in its ranks, Sunni, Shi’ite, and the lesser sects of Islam, condemn all Muslims, even the “moderate” ones, in the bargain.

But I suspect that if he ever made such a denunciation, the defamation mob would be all over him, Fox News would drop him, he’d no longer be invited to sit on PBS roundtables, and he’d lose his syndicated column. And I suspect that he knows this. He’s too bright to have not suspected this would be the consequence of condemning a religion. Dancing around or evading that condemnation is, from where I sit, a form of submission to Islam.

It’s interesting that he cites the OIC, which, with Hillary Clinton’s help, is “work-shopping” how to abrogate and nullify the First Amendment, that is, to insulate Islam from any and all open criticism and examination. His statement, while cogent, seeks to shame the OIC into conceding that it is being hypocritical. This is a futile tactic. One can’t shame Muslims because hypocrisy is an operative element of Islam. They know it, and Krauthammer ought to know it, but apparently he doesn’t. Muslims will perform fantastic mental gymnastics to justify why Christians are being murdered and persecuted and their churches burned, and that’s if they bother to answer the charge of hypocrisy, which they usually don’t, especially if the charge is levied by an infidel, and, in Krauthammer’s case, by a Jew.

“He argued all the administration needed to do was just come out with a singular apology from a commanding officer in Afghanistan, and that would have been sufficient.”

No, he ought to have said that an apology was neither necessary nor forthcoming. And he seems to have forgotten that the burned Korans were being disposed of because Muslims had written jihadist messages on their pages. He ought to have condemned General Allen and Obama and every civilian and military dhimmi for rushing to apologize. The United States has nothing to apologize for – except for its irrational foreign policy of propping up a master of taqiyya and probable drug lord with a big stash of money in a Swiss bank, Karzai and treating as an ally an enabler of terrorism, Pakistan. He ought to instead have questioned the sanity of our foreign policymakers. But don’t expect him to.

THE FUTILITY OF OBAMA'S APOLOGIES FOR KORAN BURNING

The only apologies from infidels acceptable to Moslem fanatics are the kind that are followed by conversion to Islam. To truly atone and show sorrow for the burning of the Korans-and undo the damage to US/Moslem relations-Obama must embrace the book as God's only path to salvation. Anything short of that and Allah will do to Obama's soul what the US soldiers did to the Korans. Burning Obama in effigy is prelude to that.

I can see Kirsten Powers' comment, saying, we have our standards, we are better than them. And so, we apologize for our mistakes, even if others, our opponents, do not. Yes, in this way we, the democratic nations and citizens, give a good example and that helps part of the other side to do the same. And if there are neutral bystanders, they can see we democratic nations and citizens, do behave according to higher standards.

But, when Democratic citizens then conclude that they have the better culture, better than the Islamic culture, then they get massive protests from so-called neutral, fair-minded people.

But Kirsten Powers neglects to make absolute sure that recognizing own faults and apologizing for them is stressed as being a sign of higher civilization of those who do not do so. And Charles Krauthammer pointed out so well, that Islamic Nations and Citizens, for much bigger offenses, perpetrated by co-religionists, and civil servants of certain governments in the OIC, never do apologize. or at least far less than the Democratic Nations and Citizens do.

And the situation now, it seems to me, is that, because of so-called NOBLESSE OBLIGE, people who ought to be on our own side, now apply blatant double standards. They do not even try to compare objectively Democratic and Islamic Nations and Citizens regarding the self-critical and apologizing humble qualities that both do or do not display.

Many so-called neutrals fall into the trap of blaming the self-critical humble people instead of holding their opponents to the same standard.

And in doing so, they have the effect that they seem to say that the Democratic nations and citizens are worse than the Islamic Nations and Citizens. Who are not held accountable anywhere near the way Democratic Nations and citizens are.

As much as it galls me to have to say so, Mr. Krauthammer is exactly right when he says around 4:00 that the apology only inflamed them.

This is exactly what happened to poor Ms. Logan. She said her cries and entreaties only exited her attackers more.

We ALWAYS see this in interactions with those who live in Islamic culture.

Differences are resolved in that culture by one side dominating and the other submitting. (thru consensus, superior authority, threat of force or actual force). So an attempt at reconcilliation or apology is only ever seen as submission to a superior rather than as reconcilliation between equals. It's one of the fundamental reasons conflicts in that region never ever end.

So when these guys were given an apology, they didn't think "hey these guys apologised, their alright." Rather they thought "they apologised because they are afraid of us - this is working so let's continue."

People in the White House and State Dept. are supposed to understand other cultures. So why why why was anyone instucted to issue an apology? WHO told the president that an apology was the right thing to do when a basic understanding of islamic culture would only suggest the exact opposite responce?

Kirsten Powers is married to an Egyptian, need l say more!

Just to keep you up with the global madness of appeasing Islam (Fad du jour): Now German Military apologises into all directions, too:

http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article13888780/Deutscher-General-bittet-Afghanen-um-Entschuldigung.html

Remind you: General Kneip was half a year ago seriously wounded by an Afghan koranimal at Karzai's compound determined to blow up infidels. He learned his lesson well.

I am so sick of Islam!

What a despicable groveling / craven woman that Kirten Powers is!

KARZAI DEMANDS TRIAL FOR DESECRATERS

Obama apologizes to Karzai for Koran burning and the Afghan leader graciously responds by demanding that the desecraters be put on trial for blasephemy under Sharia law. If found guilty that means death.

As the Left held Donald Rumsfeld responsible for the crimes of Abu Ghraib and called for his resignation where is their outcry against Leon Panetta over the crime of US troops burning several Korans and igniting such deadly mayhem in Afghanistan?

The Daily Beast lady can't make up her mind what she thinks. She's playing to the audience on one side an carrying over her philosophy on the other.

[The Daily Beast has an Islamic editor - who would no doubt argue that his humanity and Islam are one and the same. And it is an offshoot of this thinking that not only seeks to justify/excuse away, but at the other end, in its absolution, cause the Islamic violence. If Muslims could see themselves as humans first - a lot of the world's problems will be solved - as they would become respectors of humanity.]

On one side she is saying 'we are better' - but almost to use a common phrase - to conceal her line of thinking...

[Are we really better - or are we the same - acting differently]

...which is in part based on the caretaker mentality of the Left - that says - these other people - in these other parts of the world are not quite cognisant like us - so we are - because of colonialism and whatnot - responsible for them.

When they start calling for death and punishment to be meted out in the name of Islamic law - as a kind of overseer - we need to show understanding. And look at what they do, as we would for a small child.

Whereas Krauthammer is saying - that these people with every opportunity - and under the OIC and nation states - have never - 'quote' never issued an apology - for the attack and killing of Christians - carried out in the name of Islam - or under Islamic authorities/states where non-Muslims have less rights than Muslims.

And that this lack of an apology at those levels - is real and intentional.

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Let's weigh it up - burn a book - marked by terrorists - torch and kill Christians in a church or homes as in Pakistan where they burnt people alive [accused of using torn up pieces of the Koran as wedding confetti].

When they kill Christians - no one in the west sees it as incitement - [it has become so politically straight-jacketed - that some would even suggest it as 'racist' to raise the issue of attacks on Christians in the Muslim world].

But burn a Koran - and the Islamic world is incited to violence.

And this has to be put into a religious context - not a Christian but an Islamic one.

And how the Islamic rule of law works.

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This apology - to this extent is clearly a 'peace in our times' effort!!

As the third panelist was saying - this has simply emboldened them.

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This is about Islam's authority. Of which the west doesn't and can't respect.

Apologies here, Apologies there, Apologize first or else... seems to be the twisted logic of Charles Krauthammer.

Charles Krauthammer seems to suggest that President O'Bama should not apologize for the Quran burnings until an apology is issued by OIC.

As far as I remember two wrongs do not make a right and I commend the President of the US to magnanimously offer an apology for the "hate crime" committed by his soldiers.

Also I fail to understand why should the OIC issue an apology for an attrocity committed by Nigerian Muslim. It's like me asking my Muslim neighbour to apologize for a rape committed by another Muslim on the other side of town.

Bizarre as it sounds but that seems to be the twisted logic of Charles Krauthammer. Thank goodness nobody in the Whitehouse and Pentagon is listening to this claptrap.

Well done President O'Bama. Keep up the good work!

Actually, I think Krauthammer got it right. It was appropriate for at least some official apology to be issued. After all, this disposal was at a US base in a Muslim country, by people in the service of the USA.

And, in answer to Fayzal, an apology from official spokesmen of the Islamic world for the maltreatment of non-Muslim minorities is long past due. The Egyptian government is clearly doing NOTHING about the ongoing assaults against the Copts, who were the indigenous Egyptians prior to the Arab conquest. The Pakistani government is absolutely supine before mob-mentality Muslims who routinely kidnap, rape, forcibly convert, and marry Christian and Hindu girls. Come to think of it, they ought to apologize for the bipedal dogs they send to college campuses across the West who are arrogant as well as violent in their approaches to Western women.

Getting back to the Copts, Fayzal--

Since you're in SA, how did the world react to the mere oppression of the Bantu and Khoisan peoples by the European-descended folkss who made the settlement of your Malay or South Asian ancestors in South Africa possible? How would the world howl if some US President told our indigenous peoples that he planned to "finish the job the smallpox bacillus failed to complete"? Well, the world really needs to howl at Egypt's treatment of its indigenous people.

And, while the world howls about the "poor, poor, put-upon Palestinians", over whom the Muslim street riots eighteen times daily and twice on Fridays against benighted America, FAYZAL, you !@^%!@*&!*@#&*%!@# tell me how many descendants of an-Nakhbar have the Arab states naturalized? A dopr in the bucket against 30,000 Falastin Arab-descended, no-questions asked American CITIZENS! And where is your Muslim world's apologies for the mass expulsion of Jews--who were in Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Egypt, the Maghreb long before the Arabic language was even written?

We here know that the Muslim world believes that its possession of the final truth emnbodied in its parody of the Scriptures called the Qur'an entitles it to plunder, lie to, rape, and murder Kufr at will. Well, to those of us who know both Bible and QUr'an, it sounds as if the Qur'an is leading a billion-plus people to Hell.

Incidentally, burning a book inadvertently is not a hate-crime and should not be in the civilized world - people imbued with rancid ideology of Islam of course will disagree.

Secondly, desecrating churches, temples, synagogues is habitual of most Muslim societies - recently, we have seen this behavior in Germany, Kosovo, Egypt, Ethiopia, Pakistan and India. Have not seen any apologies from OIC or leaders of these nations - double standards do not work.

Its far more important to deal with the deleterious impact of ideologies of Islam on humanity - than to worry about the sensitivities of a people who think Baccha Baazi is an custom of great social standing.

OIC is an organization that is working towards limiting the free speech of people in the west.

Most of the countries in the organization contribute little, other than oil and live off our medicines, airplanes, cars - yet they have the temerity to ask us to punish cartoonists (for example) who have broken no laws.

Such organizations should be held responsible for every act of ethnic cleansing committed by populations in Muslim countries.

Perhaps some of the readers can assist me with this question: I recall reading about the way that muslims treat their koran that differs from the way that Christians do. Many Christians will underline, and/or highlight passages in the Bible, or write notes in the margins, whereas muslims are forbidden to do such things. Where is this written?

Perhaps the wrath that is being expressed towards those that burned the korans should be redirected to the prisoners that wrote in them?

Here is an excellent article written by Andrew Bostom on the proscribed method of koran disposal: http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2012/02/24/proper-koran-disposal-apologies-and-murdering-innocent-infidels-in-afghanistan/

If you've been following the OIC it's obivous that their thrust has been Defamation of Religion and Hate Speech Laws. They want to pass these through the UN and then begin to push their implementation into the US. And... of course the Barack Obama Administration is only too happy to help them. Even Hillary last month had a conference exploribng the ways in which these backward laws can be implemented in the US. I've been following this story since Obama was elected and every occurrance has passed way under the radar of the liberal news media. The OIC wishes to neuter America's first amendment.

As far as the OIC apologizing...well, why should they. They have Barack on the run and he's only too anxious to do all the apologizing. He and Michelle never liked America anyway.

The only answer is November. Elect a president that's proud of America and all its achievements. Elect a president who will lead America to new hights and leave these backward troglodytes to fester in their own misery.

One Man's Opinion

The Cycling Tuscan

[…this forum is plagued with "MUSLIM HATERS". Not that I needed the help as nearly every response on this forum is constructed in some form of Muslim bashing or Muslim hate]

Here we go again – the asinine whining about “muslim-hate” begins – truth is simply not hate speech.

Pointing out the desecration of churches, bibles and temples worldwide by Muslims is not hate – un-repentant and habitual desecration is.

Pointing out the truth about Muslim ethnic cleansing and mass murder is not hate – the ethnic cleansings themselves are.

Let’s consider what Muslims have done in the somewhat recent past:
-100,000 Copt families have been forced to leave Egypt in the last few months (that’s at least 400,000 people)

-Iraqi Christian population has gone down from 1.4M by about two-thirds

-In Bangladesh, according to a professor from SUNY, the population of non-muslims is 49M smaller than it should have been given their post independence population mix

-In countries like the UK, most of the terrorist threat come from Muslim perpetrators, even though Muslims form less than 5% of the population

The list goes on and on. Muslims need to change the reality of what their societies do, in stead of wallowing in self-pity and an exalted sense of victimhood.

Charles, is correct, but it was Newt who first called out the POTUS for apologizing about the Quran burnings. When have we ever heard any Islamic nation apologize for the brutal attacks on PEOPLE? When did the CIC thank our troops for KILLING the ENEMY, or is that too politically incorrect for him to do...much like never admonishing our enemy for fear they will think we don't like them?! This administration of glass transparency will shatter when stones of war are headed their way.

As for you Fayzal, in the Jewish religion, WE take burning of our Torahs &/or Siddurs as if it were a death in the family, we mourn. We do not turn around and shoot the first Muslim who has come to our country as a friend in uniform! Animals do not stoop so low.

"... pay jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued ..."

"than the army has to show a decorum of respect to Afghan laws and culture"

The above is a typical Islamic non sequitur, when logic cannot be used...there's absolutely no connect between us being there and having to show "respect" for Afghan culture (or lack thereof)

What next - US soldiers being forced to show "respect" for Afghan culture of sexual slavery of little children?

Or should diplomats to Pakistan have to show respect for Pakistani "culture" of kidnapping and raping little Christian/Hindu girls?

Did the OIC or Muslims show the same respect for Denmark's free speech laws, when the cartoons first come out?

Somehow, double standards and ability to follow simple logical thread seems to be missing amongst Islamic lumpen.

Correction:

Of course, I meant to type:

"I don't say this about Krauthammer out of the blue OR divine it from thin air"

Makes one wonder if Ms Powers would be so altogether polite and easy going if she had had the pleasure of being gang raped on an Egyptian street in the way one of her colleagues did while covering the gallant recent uprising in Cairo. Guess she'd just get up dust herself off and say, " lets hear it for the freedom fighters ". Lets find an excuse no matter how far fetched to excuse the evil before us. God forbid, Whoops, my bad,
allah forbid that we should ever confront the demented followers of a madman and
eradicate them wherever they bring the Fascism of Islam. No wonder she reminds me
alice in wonderland.

Dave-O and Ms. Champ,

I'm convinced that this "Fayzal" character is here to smear this site and its posters (us).
Notice that he's not communicating, just monologuing--lots of words with little meaning--always coming back to his "hate-speech" and "racist" broken record accusations. If people who think for themselves and make informed value-judgments are racists--well, that sounds a lot like CAIR's line, doesn't it? Notice that he also tried to work the moderator to infringe freedom to think and speak here.

I concluded on another thread (and told him) that I think he's an idiot. Nothing I've seen here would alter that conclusion. What I'm saying here is that he sounds more & more like an idiot with an agenda...

Regards, guys,

G

Forgotten in all this is the intelligence that was being disseminated in the texts.
In addition, I might ask you all to review news items of May 5- 9, 2009, when a Christian soldiers Bible's he received had been confiscated and burned by the same US Army.
I suppose members of "Overseas Contigencies" are required by the Caliph-in-Chief to be thouroughly secular.

Thanks for the moral support!

Robert K. Reilly:

http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/will_the_arab_spring_turn_into_winter

"The peoples of Eastern Europe had a far better time adapting to democracy because, despite the depredations of Communism, they had roots in a Judeo-Christian culture that holds that all people are created in God’s image. Part of that image is the primacy of reason, founded in God’s own logos. The integrity of reason and its ability to know morality is the foundation of freedom of conscience and the freedom to choose."

"...In Islam, sovereignty is exclusively God’s because, in the Qur’an’s account of creation, man is not made in the image and likeness of God."
...
"The Islamic doctrine of tanzih teaches that God is so infinitely transcendent that absolutely no comparison can be made between Him and anything else. There is nothing “like” Him, certainly not man. The Judeo-Christian notion from Genesis of man possessing the imago Dei is a scandalous blasphemy in Islam. There is nothing God-like in man’s reason, which is unable to apprehend morality and has no integrity of its own. This is why there is no freedom of conscience acknowledged in Islamic jurisprudence."

"...This helps us understand the huge support – some 84 percent, according to Pew Research – for the death penalty for apostasy from Islam in Egypt today. Freedom of conscience remains an alien notion. Therefore, one must ask whether the desired freedom of the Arab Spring is truly based upon the proposition that all people are created equal. How many Egyptians actually believe that Copts and Muslims, men and women, believers and nonbelievers are equal – to say nothing of Jews and Muslims? Where is the underlying support in their culture for the truth of this proposition? If it is not there, it will be freedom for some and oppression for others. "

Core Islamic texts disagree with the Bible: human beings are not made in the image of God

For example, in Qur'an Chapter 42, Verse 11:

The Creator of the heavens and the earth. He hath made for you pairs of yourselves, and of the cattle also pairs, whereby He multiplieth you. Naught is as His likeness; and He is the Hearer, the Seer.

Compare Genesis Chapter 1, Verse 26:

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

In the Judeo-Christian conception, human beings, made in God's likeness, are children of God the Father. In the Qur'an, Allah never calls himself "Father," and in several places denies He has any sons or daughters. Rather, human beings are only Allah's servants or slaves. "I have only created jinns and men that they may serve me." (Qur'an 51:56) Even if both theologies are pure fantasy, the Islamic one leads to authoritarian social outcomes, whereas the Judeo-Christian one tends, over the long run, toward freedom.

I think that it was Robert who said that being offended is in the eye of the offended (or words to that effect).

I fully agree with Charles Krauthammer that a simple apology issued by the military in Afghanistan, noting that those Koran were defaced by Muslims, would have suffice and any further apologies just further inflame the situation.

(I fail to understand the Kleenex Society’s general preoccupation with apologies but this is another story)

What the president and many Western pundits, particularly liberal ones, fail to understand is how apologies are perceived in cultures such as in Afghanistan – like it or not, they are perceived as a sign of weakness hence the continuation of the incitement and the riots.

The argument that apologies are indented to “save American lives” makes it even worse, it transmits fear over and above weakness.

This is exactly why Karazi (or any other Muslim leader for that matter) is not and would not apologise, ever!

Wake up America!

This business that "proselytzation" is racist is just so much hogwash.

I believe that most folks who "proselytize" for their faith are doing this in the most well-intentioned way. Their faith has worked for them in their lives; they consider it a gift and want to SHARE that gift for the benefit of others. If they feel they've been fortunate to hear the good news, they want to spread the word. There's nothing racist about
the offer of what one considers a precious gift. Now, we know that what works for one doesn't necessarily work for others. In a free society that means that, like any other gift offerred, it can be accepted or declined. No one is defamed, imprisoned or killed. This is the ultimate respect that's accorded to one's FREEDOM TO CHOOSE in this life.

Shall we compare that to islam? But the answer is obvious, after all. The Judeo-Christian ethic is based on love and life. The islamic ethic is based on hate and death--and reward for hating and killing others.

We were all thrust into this world with the capacity to think, learn, and make value-judgments--including moral ones. In enlightened societies, these gifts are celebrated and encouraged. In muslim-dominated societies the use of these abilities is considered dangerous at least and often fatal at worst, with lots of bad stuff in between. This, I submit, is not the way ANYONE should want to live.

I've made my own value-judgments about islam. To the best of my knowledge these are based on fact and truth. I offer no apologies for using the capacities which the Creator bequeathed me...

Yep, I understand, Dave-O. I wasn't talking to him there--that's hopeless--just wanted to refute the horse manure he's spreading. This guy's "novelty factor" will wear off in a couple days as he continues to demonstrate what a jackwagon he truly is.

Take a couple of aspirin & sleep-off that headache--hope it was from having too much fun at the beach!

G

I will stick to my statement earlier, that Islam fully intends to dominate the world, no matter what any of us do or don't do. Muslims around the world have been saying that for 3 decades now.

I will stick to my statement earlier, that Islam fully intends to dominate the world, no matter what any of us do or don't do. Muslims around the world have been saying that for 3 decades now.

Obama has taken us from being the greatest nation in the world to the most politically correct in the world. How can someone who so oftem apologizes for his country (assuming it is) to claim that he loves it? Actions speak louder than words. Obama cares more about what Muslims think of hi than he does about what we think of him. He lectures to us and tells us we've become lazy and lost our innovation, but has nothing but praise for the 'religion' which has slaughtered more lives than any despotim that ever existed. Obama seems more like an alien being that invaded the WH than someone born in America. He has more in common with Socialists and Islamists than he does with Americans.

Obviously, Fayzal, you don't know hogwash from caviar. I see your problem now--it's not about "proselyzation," it's about your hatred for Christianity, isn't it? And, not far between the lines is the message that you hate white people, too. Hey, you may have your reasons; in any case you have a right to your opinion. I don't think Christians are always right--nobody is--and there are fanatics and opportunists in every calling. Nothing new and no group immune from that.

But this is Jihad Watch, concerned with the violent, aggressive and parasitical nature of islam. So, whatever personal bone you have to pick with Christians is irrelevant here. You should be on a "Christian" website, explaining to the nice folks there what a bunch of cretins and hypocrites they are. And the irony is, they'll probably pray for you, even after you round on them. How do you think muslims would react? Go ahead, give it a try...

As I consider your anti-Christian rantings out of place here, we won't be speaking again. For what it's worth I do hope the best for your son.

Good luck...

Charles Krauthammer is spot-on about the grotesque double standard. It is always heartening to see someone in the mainstream media who apprehends at least some aspects of the Jihad threat.