If the Western intelligentsia takes notice of this at all, it will be to excoriate the "bigotry" and "provocation" by the Christians at the carnival, and to call for restrictions on the freedom of speech to guard against "denigration of religion." No one will call on the Muslim community to stop reacting with violence to mockery, but to accept the fact that in a pluralistic society, some people will do things to which they object, and the proper response is genuine tolerance, not arson and riots.
"Church set on fire after carnival," from the UKPA, January 31:
An Orthodox Christian church famed for its valuable icons was set alight in southern Macedonia overnight amid religious tension between Christians and minority Muslims over a carnival in which Orthodox Christian men dressed as women in burkas and mocked the Koran.Firefighters extinguished the fire on Monday night in the two century-old Sveti Nikola church, near the town of Struga. The church's roof was destroyed but its icons were not damaged, the fire service said.
Hours before the fire, Muslim leaders had appealed for calm among community members.
The January 13 Vevcani festival prompted angry, sometimes violent demonstrations by Muslims, who are nearly all ethnic Albanian and make up 33% of the country's 2.1 million population and accuse the majority of stoking hatred against them.
Maybe if they cut back on the violent demonstrations and church burnings, they'd find the majority hating them less.
Ethnic tension has been simmering in this small Balkan country since the end of an armed rebellion in 2001, when ethnic Albanian rebels fought government forces for about eight months, seeking greater rights for their community. The conflict left 80 people dead, and ended with the intervention of Nato peacekeepers.The Vevcani carnival, said to have been held for some 1,400 years, attracts thousands of visitors. Local residents traditionally wear elaborate, frequently sarcastic masks, with some of the most common costumes including devils and demons.
But this year's perceived mockery of the Koran and the burka costumes caused outrage.
On Saturday, protesters attacked an inter-city bus heading from Struga to Vevcani, throwing rocks at the vehicle but injuring nobody. They also defaced a Macedonian flag outside Struga's municipal building, replacing it with a green flag representing Islam. On the same day, perpetrators attacked a church in the nearby village of Labunista, destroying a cross standing outside.
Macedonian Muslim leaders called for restraint but also accused the government of promoting Islamophobia.
Deputy Prime Minister Musa Xhaferi said such incidents "create discord" and "violate mutual respect and trust."
Satire is the soft underbelly of islam.
They can dish it out, but they can't take it.
So what should we do?
Simple.
Mock the living daylights out of islam and muslims.
Lets get the true violent and totalitarian nature of muslims on full display for all to see. Let the world know what it is dealing with.
They're slow to react. It's usually at around 10% that the muslins start their riots and church burnings.
In another carnival in Germany, women in burkas are compared to garbage bags!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/03/garbage-bagsac-ordures.html
"Maybe if they cut back on the violent demonstrations and church burnings, they'd find the majority hating them less."
LOL!!!
'Mutual respect'..hahaha!! Yeah, sure. I guess armed rebellion to make Islam supreme, to where NATO had to step in, is a show of mutual respect?? Gimme a break! Muslims always use these buzz words to fool the infidel. Seems to work everytime too. Sigh.
We really should seem this as an object lesson and stop this insane mass Muslim immigration into the USA. As they grow in populations our freedoms will shrink or possibly even turn into violent conflict.
WHAT??!!! ...no blood bath, no killing spree, no stabbing and beheading people over this slight? ...goodness gracious, evil allah must be VERY displeased over how soft and tender-hearted these foul followers of his have become. Seems they've lost sight of the prize in going to sex heaven. Oh, and what an insult to the Perfect Man by not upholding his perfectly evil image - tsk, tsk!
Can you say KOSOVO? This is Kosovo all overa gain. I seriously doubt Greece will be in a position to help the Macedonians this time around. Perhaps Russia will, but I am not holding my breath. Hopefully the US will get a brain and realize that they shouldn't support the "ethnic Albanians" this time.
Mocking Islam is such a difficult proposition.........
NOT!
When Muslim men don burkas...it's called escaping..
To be a Christian, one has to reject islam and the "prophet" claims of the demon possessed pedophile who devised that murder cult. I don't respect muslims because one has to be a fanatic to actually believe in that garbage. Because of the extermination imperative v abandoners, many fake muz (munifikoonis) have to pretend status. I worked with a munif who ate food on the sly during ramadamadingdong.
Euro education requires 24-7-365 denigration of Western Civilization as racist and imperial, while elevating islamic savagery. One film fakery on occupied-Spain (andalusia) - "the ornament of the world" - ran sombre music anytime a Western leader is mentioned. Fortunately, an increasing number of euros see through this multi-cult propaganda. Islam is a disease of the mind; unfortunately, it affects Westerners with its "dhimmi" infection.
Macedonia: Muslims riot, burn church after Christians at carnival mock Qur'an
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This story has it all—touchy Muslims going ape over the mocking of Burkhas and their vile "Holy Book", church burning, and the attempted destruction of art.
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The January 13 Vevcani festival prompted angry, sometimes violent demonstrations by Muslims, who are nearly all ethnic Albanian and make up 33% of the country's 2.1 million population and accuse the majority of stoking hatred against them.
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"Stoking hatred against them"—funny how that works. The "haters" poke fun at Islamic trash bags and the Qur'an, while the poor "victims" riot and burn down a church.
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Ethnic tension has been simmering in this small Balkan country since the end of an armed rebellion in 2001, when ethnic Albanian rebels fought government forces for about eight months, seeking greater rights for their community. The conflict left 80 people dead, and ended with the intervention of Nato peacekeepers.
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"Seeking greater rights for their community"—never mind that those "greater rights" would involve the imposition of Shari'ah law on the Infidel majority...
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The Vevcani carnival, said to have been held for some 1,400 years, attracts thousands of visitors. Local residents traditionally wear elaborate, frequently sarcastic masks, with some of the most common costumes including devils and demons.
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That's because we have a strong tradition of satire in the West. Muslims, infamously, are unable to take a joke.
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On Saturday, protesters attacked an inter-city bus heading from Struga to Vevcani, throwing rocks at the vehicle but injuring nobody. They also defaced a Macedonian flag outside Struga's municipal building, replacing it with a green flag representing Islam.
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That isn't a "protest"—it's an attack. And replacing the Macedonian flag with the "green flag of Islam" is not mere symbolism...
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On the same day, perpetrators attacked a church in the nearby village of Labunista, destroying a cross standing outside.
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So—the mob attacked *two* churches. I'm starting to see a pattern here...
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Macedonian Muslim leaders called for restraint but also accused the government of promoting Islamophobia.
Deputy Prime Minister Musa Xhaferi said such incidents "create discord" and "violate mutual respect and trust."
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Poking fun of the Qur'an "violates mutual respect and trust", but attacking Christians and burning down their churches in response...well, not so much, I guess...
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Firefighters extinguished the fire on Monday night in the two century-old Sveti Nikola church, near the town of Struga. The church's roof was destroyed but its icons were not damaged, the fire service said.
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Here's the beautiful Sveti [Saint] Nikola church after the fire, with its roof partially destroyed:
http://media.bellinghamherald.com/smedia/2012/01/31/12/16/682-17Mv53.St.55.jpg
Another view of the fire damage:
http://media.bellinghamherald.com/smedia/2012/01/31/12/16/598-1jQlqG.St.55.jpg
Article:
"...tension between Christians and minority Muslims over a carnival in which Orthodox Christian men dressed as women in burkas and mocked the Koran."
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Beautiful! Excellent! Keep "mocking".
But what I really want to know is, exactly, how did they mock the Koran? What did they do with it or to it?
Or did they just make snide comments while dressed up like bee-keepers, and some Mohammedist overheard?
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Maybe they "fondled" the Koran. No?
Tell me then. TELL ME. Exactly........please?
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What did they do that was considered "mocking" the Koran?
Graven Image
very nice comment and analysis, pretty much nothing to add.
Only a small additional note.
From the article: "...perpetrators attacked a church in the nearby village of Labunista, **destroying a cross standing outside**" (my emphasis - dda).
This isn't an accident. There is a reason why a cross standing outside a church would be targeted by a howling Mohammedan mob. The reason is found in one clause of the the vicious Pact of Omar, template of all the subsequent oppressive and discriminatory 'rules for dhimmis'.
"We [i.e. dhimmis - dda] will...
refrain from erecting crosses on the outside of our churches".
This Muslim mob in Macedonia - in majority-Christian Macedonia, which has ALWAYS been majority-Christian - has just signalled that it intends to force the Macedonians to become dhimmis.
Macedonian Christians lived a miserable life as dhimmi near-slaves for nigh on **six hundred years** - 1371 to 1913 - under the Ottoman Turkish Muslims.
They, along with the Greeks and the Serbs, Bulgarians and Romanians, gained their freedom from Muslim rule only by a long, terrible, heroic struggle.
The Muslims - who feel arrogantly entitled to dominate and domineer over everybody in the entire *planet*, and are still fuming because Balkan non-Muslims got out from under - are now setting out to terrorise the Macedonians and subvert their state and force them back under the iron yoke of dhimmitude: into what Hugh Fitzgerald used to sum up as "a condition of humiliation, degradation, and constant physical peril".
In 1860, when Western powers and Russia had briefly united to pressure Turkey to restrain sadistic Albanian thughs from abusing and butchering Macedonian and Serbian Christian civilians in the Turkish-ruled Balkans, the British Consul right there, in Macedonia, wrote home: "Christian inhabitants, their churches and monasteries, their homes are not now raped, pillaged and burnt by the Albanian hordes as used to be done 10 years ago".
Well, they are now, MORE THAN 150 YEARS LATER, courtesy of England, USA and other Western democracies. They are in Kosovo. They are in Macedonia.
The severe moral degeneration of the Western democracies that occured since the 19th century.
The unspeakable evil the USA, England and other Western democracies did unto the Serb Christians. The evil.
Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.
It is certainly a tragic and gross over-reaction to the criticism of their religion. On the otherhand christians ought not to mock their enemies. Telling the truth in a serious and sober manner is enough.
"On the otherhand christians ought not to mock their enemies."
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1. Depends on the definition of, "mock".
2. Depends on the definition of, "enemy".
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I'd just like to know what "mocking the Koran" means. One cannot, for starters, mock an inanimate object, unless one, say, dresses up as a book for Halloween, or a Costume Ball.
And I'm not so jaded, yet, that I regard all Mohammedists as my "enemy", though I don't, either, feel obliged to refrain from mocking anyone or anything I find distasteful, Korans included.
There is nothing illegal about satire. Even religious satire.
Yes, some super sensitivity on display for all to laugh at.
The article's not short of a few chuckles too.
"The conflict left 80 people dead, and ended with the intervention of Nato peacekeepers.
Oh what a corker. In the early Summer of 2001, a large force of KLA ( renamed NLA ) terrorists were cut off inside Macedonia, the Macedonian Army had regrouped and was about to wipe them out.
Then over the hills came the cavalry.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/26/world/26MACE.html
American troops waded into the worsening crisis in Macedonia today, in an unplanned operation to escort several hundred armed Albanian rebels away from a town that has been the most recent flashpoint
Some of those transported away on the buses were armed Mujahdieen. All of the terrorists kept their guns.
Which is nice.
This happened some three months prior to 9 11.
As always, a good job, ewah1. And an additional motivation for NATO intervention was the presence of American mercenaries of the infamous Military Professional Resources International, all of them career retired US military men. They trained, armed and led those terrorists. The "retired" MPRI aided and abetted the mass murders of Serbs in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo, working hand-in-hand with the non-retired US military and getting hundreds of millions of our tax dollars for that from the US gov.'t as "contractors". So, NATO had rescued not only the terrorists but also their American aiders and abetters.
You are right: the 9/11 hijackers were already in place here in the US and were doing "dry-run" flights, preparing for the "real thing" the biggest mass-murder of American civilians in history. And what were our US military men, active and "retired", doing at the time? They were on the other side of the world, aiding Islamic terrorists in torture-murders of Christians, and in the murderous onslaught on the tiny sovereigh country of Macedonia.
Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.
Dumbledore's Army wrote:
The Muslims - who feel arrogantly entitled to dominate and domineer over everybody in the entire *planet*, and are still fuming because Balkan non-Muslims got out from under - are now setting out to terrorise the Macedonians and subvert their state and force them back under the iron yoke of dhimmitude: into what Hugh Fitzgerald used to sum up as "a condition of humiliation, degradation, and constant physical peril".
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Very, very, true, DDA.
As much as Islam seeks the domination of *all* Infidels, the urge is even greater to bring former dhimmis—Greeks, Balkans, Spaniards, Jews—back under Muslim control.
David Severy wrote:
It is certainly a tragic and gross over-reaction to the criticism of their religion. On the otherhand christians ought not to mock their enemies.
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I don't see why not. There is a long history of satire, irony, and lampooning in the West. Quite often this satire is used as an important tool of social criticism.
We satirize and mock just about every aspect of our own societies—we have few "sacred cows".
If we can poke fun at our own leaders, why not Islam? Surely, Islam is both more absurd and more harmful than the very worst candidate for president or prime minister in the West, yet we lampoon them regularly.
During WWII, we took the fight against Fascism *very seriously*—yet we also mocked the Axis with satiric songs like "Der Führer's Face" and cartoons showing Bugs Bunny getting the better of Hitler and Tojo.
I'm not sure why Jihadists should get a pass.
Many thanks Enragedsince1999.