NPR notices "growing tensions" between Muslims and Christians in Egypt

It is good to see NPR running a story like this, but here again is the use of the discussion of "tensions," which suggests a situation of mutual hostilities. By contrast, all of the incidents the report chronicles are of Muslims attacking Christians. "In Egypt, Christian-Muslim Tension Is On The Rise," by Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson for NPR, February 25:

Blackened rubble is all that is left of Abskharon Suleiman's appliance store in the northern Egyptian village of Sharbat.

Suleiman is a Coptic Christian, and his upstairs apartment, as well as his children's homes and shops, were gutted and looted in an attack last month by young Muslim men.

In Egypt, growing tensions between Muslims and Christians have led to sporadic violence. Many Egyptians blame the interreligious strife on hooligans taking advantage of absent or weak security forces. Others believe it's because of a deep-seated mistrust between Muslims and the minority Christian community.

The incident in the rural community of Sharbat started as most interreligious clashes in Egypt do -- with a rumor of an illicit liaison between members of different religious sects.

In this case, it was about a Coptic Christian man and Muslim woman, each of them married to someone else, explains Muslim merchant Magdy Abu Sheashaa.

He claims the man had suggestive photos of the woman on his phone, though neither he nor anyone else interviewed actually saw the pictures.

The rumor was enough to send a frenzied mob to the alleged offender's house on Jan. 27. That building was near Suleiman's property.

Abu Sheashaa says Suleiman's grown sons fired handguns into the air to try to disperse the crowd. The mob then shouted insults at the Coptic family and demanded they leave the village where they had lived for two decades.

"They threw rocks through the windows and set our building on fire. I was sure we were going to die," says Um Suleiman, the elderly wife of the merchant.

Police Didn't Act

Witnesses say police officers who came did nothing. Instead, Muslim neighbors and friends of Suleiman intervened. They formed a protective cordon around the Christians and brought them to Magdy Abu Sheashaa's home.

Abu Sheashaa says a group of Muslim elders later came to express their sympathy to his Coptic friend. But they also urged him to move out like the mob was demanding.

The elders said they felt it was no longer safe for Suleiman and his family to stay in Sharbat.

They stayed with Muslim friends for a while, then moved into a cramped apartment an hour's drive away.

Suleiman's eldest son says they want to go back home.

But they are afraid of being attacked again, he says, even though a committee sent by the Egyptian parliament decreed last week that the family has the right to live in Sharbat.

Ihab Ramzy, a Coptic Christian lawmaker who was a member of the committee, says he understands the family's fears.

Islamists Will Hold Power

Islamists won Egypt's recent parliamentary elections, and this has created a feeling of helplessness in the Coptic Christian community.

The Muslim Brotherhood, which is the strongest Islamist faction, has vowed to protect Christians and other minorities. And Egyptian experts and human rights activists say there is no evidence of any official or organized effort to terrorize Christians.

"Is there an extremist wave that is identifying Christians and trying to drive them out of Egypt? Personally, I doubt it, but you know, maybe I'm naive," says Mahmoud Sabit, an Egyptian historian who lives in Cairo.

Sabit says Copts get nervous when Islamist candidates talk about incorporating more Islamic law, or Shariah, into Egyptian society.

"So this I think is one of their great fears, is a reversal and suddenly finding themselves ... as second-class citizens," he says.

Most Copts, like the Suleiman family, refuse to discuss those fears publicly.

But last December on a talk show on Egyptian TV, a Christian caller who gave her name as Mervat accused the guest -- an ultra-conservative Salafist -- of trying to drive Christians out of Egypt.

The Coptic Christian caller accuses Hazem Salah Abu Ismail -- who is a presidential candidate -- of inciting hatred and violence by demanding women wear veils and Egyptians not drink alcohol. She argues that if Christians don't comply, they will be attacked.

Friction In Southern Egypt

Alfy Adly, a Coptic who is an obstetrician, says such attacks are already happening in his hometown of Qena in the south.

He recounts how a Salafist mob cut off the ear of a Coptic landlord and drove out the Coptic governor last year.

He adds that one extremist in his neighborhood has been stalking his family and has threatened to kill his daughter. Adly videotaped some of this on his cellphone:

In the tape, the man screams: "I will kill her under the stairs here, I will show you. I swear to my mother I will kill you, you are dirt."

The man then breaks the door to Adly's house.

Adly says he's gone to the police in Qena numerous times with such evidence, but nothing has been done.

The Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, an activist group, has been tracking attacks on minorities, including Christians.

Its director, Hossam Bahgat, says he understands their frustration over the lack of justice. He says it's also troubling that some Christians are resorting to violence to fight back....

Who are they going to call, the army?

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"...hooligans taking advantage of absent or weak security forces."

As though it were the natural tendency of people everywhere to run wild, and only the presence of lots of cops kept them from doing so. It's like Jesse Jackson's comment that the reason white neighborhoods had less crime was because they had more cops.

"Who are they going to call, the army?"
Why not? The army knows how to swiftly solve the problem!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/10/egyptian-army-s-crimes.html

Beware of hinting at or asserting distinctions between groups as to "natural tendencies." "Running wild" is a function of culture -- more than a function of any natural tendencies for or against running wild. This is not fundamentally about "natural tendencies," nor is it about race. It's about ideas, choices, beliefs, customs, history, etc. We mustn't bring race into this. Racial or racist agendas lead to barbarism -- but even if they didn't, we have enough on our plates already without adding race. Such agendas only marginalize us and associate us with decadent groups that reduce human beings to their physiological characteristics while losing sight of the human free spirit which is capable of universality and can learn to culturally transcend physiology roots. Further, it adds to the huge burdens the resistance to Islam already faces. It's plenty challenging enough to criticize a violent global totalitarian religion. We don't need to tar ourselves with a benighted agenda like racial determinism on top of what we already face.

It seems to be a characteristic of Muslim societies that true security can only exist with a dictatorship or stable monarchy.

We can see the same tendency in the US. If a Muslim is charged, or is caught on tape committing a violent crime, the Muslim organizations accuse the police of bias and discrimination. The process is far more advanced in Britain, where black Muslims who attempted to kill a white, non-Muslim woman were freed. Non-Muslim Britons who shouted at Muslims were given years-long sentences.

The only way a Muslim country can provide security for non-Muslims is for the ruler to take it personally when there is a security breach. The common characteristic between the President of Tunisia, and President Mubarak was that they suppressed Muslim groups like the Muslim Brotherhood.

Once the police are subject to popular political pressure in Muslim countries, there will no longer be any security for non-Muslims, or even Muslims of the wrong sect.

Thank you Marisol.

Yes. Definitely an honorable mention for English language here. Not quite up to Reuters' rolling on the floor comedic standards, but certainly impressive.

... growing tensions ... have led to sporadic violence. Many blame ... hooligans ... Others believe ... deep-seated mistrust ... .

Ah, the air of mystery and confusion.

What could lead to these tensions and mistrust ... deep-seated mistrust no less ?

Flashes in the night. Cries from the shadows. Distant gunfire.

Hmmm ...

It's all very deep and confusing.

Let's see ... We can't just deny that something is going on. Too many people have noticed. And there is just too much wreckage, too many smoking ruins and too many bodies lying around to deny that there is some violence involved.

Hmmm ... what to do, what to say?

It's all very mysterious. Time to do some interviews and call in some experts.

It's time to pull long faces and stroke our chins.

It's a time for thoughtfulness and calm.

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In the meantime back in the real world, Coptic Christians are suffering and dying.


NPR are insane. There are no "growing tensions" these "tensions" have been the same since Islam came to Egypt and imposed itself upon the population there.

National Pollyanna Radio, like its ideological cousin, the NY Times, likes to spin dry Islam so that it wears a happy face. Relying on such sources to make policy decisions or to otherwise make real world judgements can be hazardous to your health. When I want fantasy I read fiction or watch "The Muppet Movie", which I enjoyed a lot. In real life, Miss Piggy would be in grave danger in certain venues.

This is not fundamentally about "natural tendencies," nor is it about race. It's about ideas, choices, beliefs, customs, history, etc. We mustn't bring race into this. Racial or racist agendas lead to barbarism --

A group of distinguished academics who would be called racists by the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al, conducted extensive, scientific studies of different racial/ethnic groups and their cultures. It has been a while since I read these studies but four groups were involved: whites, blacks, Hispanics, and Asians, Asians being Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese. Sorry traeh, but 'all people are (not) basically the same' and as long as distinct, regional, historical cultures exist, they will never be.

You are right when you say that 'it's about choices, beliefs, customs, history, etc.' because those things combined create the cultures practiced by disparate groups of people. As we well know since the abomination of multiculturalism was imposed on our society by our social engineering elites, members of distinctly different cultural groups tend to flock together, even when removed from their natural environments. There are exceptions to this rule, but they are few and far between. I won't go into the findings of this study because you wouldn't like them and you would probably disagree with them, but you couldn't refute them.

I wasn't surprised to learn that Asians came out on top in every area and some of the topics studied were I.Q.rates, tendencies for violence, unwed birthrates, teenage pregnancies, levels of educational achievement, domestic violence, drug use, incarceration rates, and more. All of the subjects of this multi-generational study were U.S.residents.

I have said this many times and it bears repeating until something clicks in peoples' heads: whites comprise less than ten percent of the global population. Racism is a two way street and considering the odds against the white race, we have the most to lose and face the greatest threat of 'racism'. White supremecists might exist in small numbers but any sane white person, a member of an endangered species, would be crazy to express or promote racism. And why is it considered racist to point out obvious, factual truths? The culture produced by islam is obnoxious and toxic but most muslims practice it, so muslims are a threat to all other cultures, including mine. I am sorry if many muslims are non-white but that fact is irrelevant because islam spawned the abominable culture, not a specific race of people. If I'm a racist for making that observation, and if I have no right to defend and attempt to sustain my culture because muslims and self-hating liberals don't like it, why are we even having this conversation?

The left-wingers will use the race card relentlessly to silence islam's critics because they have nothing else. It's going to take a national rebellion against political correctness and moral/cultural relativism before islam can be fully exposed and discredited and in the meantime, I guess we'll just have to live with the pejoratives, epithets, and hackneyed cliches flung at us by the despicable useful idiots, muslims, and the left. Intelligent, informed people know better and the big lie cannot be sustained forever.

"So this I think is one of their great fears, is a reversal and suddenly finding themselves ... as second-class citizens," he says.

What does equality of rights mean in Muslim nations?

The Arab Spring has brought it front and center.

Before Muslim commentators could say - Jihadwatch and similar blogs are just picking up random articles of isolated incidents. And this had nothing to do with their religion.

But with the focus on the Arab Spring and the hope for - what the blogs all said - there was no foundation for - the emergence of this tolerant-pluralistic Islamic democracy.

Meant that the Spring upheaval was quite embarrassingly for more Muslim rights - only. And for more bread on the table - not at all for religious rights.

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There were more Copt killings and the cleansing of a town - today or yesterday - not covered in this article.

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Islam has come to our attention through the terrorism, and through this the plight of the Christians /other religious minorities in the Islamic world. Not being satisfied with what we were hearing in the media - we sought our own answers.

And it wasn't like they were hard to find.

The media will have to give these subjects some sort of justice - because it might be seen as they support - what is Islamic repression.

Only covering positive flowery Muslim stories [outside of terrorism], while Christians in these nations are being shot and killed, burnt out and harassed - with impunity. One might be accused of not reporting the news. Or only offering a biased view - in support of respecting Islam over human rights and conditions.

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Obviously the aim was to say only nice things - in the hope that one day it will all go away - after all it was theorized that it was our fault - it was the Palestinian issue - it was Islamophobia - [printing that Christian were being attacked might be considered Islamophobic] - sadly the incidents of attacks against Christian has just grown.

But which meant that people did not learn about the issues - learning about these issues become 'racist' and with the talk of introducing Sharia - the same set of laws which keep Christians in every Muslim nation as second class citizens - if they can hold citizenship at all - See Maldives/Arabia - without the background of articles - people are arguing that - the introduction of Sharia law - used as the basis for the law in Egypt and in Pakistan and is the law in Saudi Arabia - was a wonderful idea. That this set of Shari'a laws that the west was positing over would be different.

With any talk of the Shari'a there must be discussion about dhimmitude.

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The blogs are becoming entities in themselves - if not singularly - collectively. What we say and what we think counts. They definitely apply pressure on the dumb-down news.

Repeated abuse over time takes a while for some folks to figure out and then to remedy.

One might look to the four stages noted at this link: Battered Women's Syndrome (denial, guilt, enlightenment, responsibility)

Stage four of battered women's syndrome occurs when a battered woman recognizes that her abuser has a problem that only he can fix. Battered women in this stage come to understand that nothing they can do or say can help their abusers. Battered women in this stage choose to take the necessary steps to leave their abusers and begin to start new lives.

Mix and match to suit.

Think of THE CAIRO DECLARATION ON HUMAN RIGHTS IN ISLAM as a wishy-washy apology (exception from adherence to real genuine human rights and refusal to accept culpability for 1,400 years of evil) that is worth less than even Mo's poop.

traeh, please note that my comment begins "As though..."

Also, please note that I did not bring race into the matter, I merely compared NPR's comments to the racist remarks of Jesse Jackson.

It seems to me that we are sitting here in the United States of Never Again America watching (and abetting) an Iraqi holocaust against Christians and admiring an Egyptian holocaust against Christians.

How far from grace have we fallen? What kind of an evil beast have we elected as our POTUS? Can we ever redeem ourselves?

{o.o}

Nice analysis, Joeblough.

I grow very tired of this business of 'tensions'.

Here's the headline.

"In Egypt, Christian-Muslim Tension Is On The Rise,"

Here's how it should have been worded:

"In Egypt, More Frequent and Violent Muslim Attacks on Copts".

From the article:

In Egypt, growing tensions between Muslims and Christians have led to sporadic violence.

How it ought to read:

"In Egypt, Muslim attacks upon Coptic Christians are rising in frequency and savagery".

NPR is so alert, aren't they? They such a symbol of political correctitude, they probably censor toilet paper before flushing. Are they getting funds from Prince Aleweed also?
Maybe they'll do a special with Charlie Rose reporting live; the ritual of "Canonizing the Obvious".

Instead of importing the dangerous Muslims like Somalis,Pakistanis and others as "refugees' into Amercia,Canada,Europe,and Australia,try to bring these really persecuted refugees -the Coptic Christians of Egypt,Christians of Pakistan,Syriyan Christians and the displaced Christians of Iraq. These people are educated,know how to behave,and above all-they will not act as enemies from within.These people will feel the gratitude and will be a real asset to our countreis.

NPR notices "growing tensions" between Muslims and Christians in Egypt
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In much the same way that there were "growing tensions" between Fascists and Jews in Nazi Germany...

Susanp, your reply was not clear.

You quote me as saying "all people are basically the same." Nowhere did I say that.

1. I said we shouldn't bring race into these questions, that the problem is culture, not race.

2. You said that different cultures have different social outcomes, as though I disagreed with that. My comment makes it obvious I do agree with that. Else why would I be so critical of Islam if I didn't think different cultures produce different results? Nowhere did I say that cultures are all the same.

3. You vaguely seem to equate race with culture, as though race produced culture. Yet your comment might also be against racism. Your comment makes it very difficult to tell what you are saying about what I was saying. I'm not sure you recognize a distinction between race and culture, or if you do make a distinction, what it is. Yet my whole comment turned on making a distinction between race and culture.

4. Your claim is perhaps that culture is a result of race. Yet some of what you say seems to express an opposite view.

I disagree with the idea that culture is a result of race, as I believe in human freedom, which means that culture is something that is to some significant extent independent from physical factors.

5. Finally, you talk about how we'll have to live with the pejoratives people use against us for criticizing Islam. No doubt. What's not so clear is if you think race produces culture, or does not produce culture, or you take one or another middle position. In short, it's not very clear if "racist" is an accurate pejorative for your reasons for criticizing Islam. You agree that Islam is not a race, yet you seem to be against my comment's rejection of bringing irrelevant racial issues into criticism of Islam.

My post was distinguishing between culture and race, and emphasizing the greater importance of culture and the choices that produce culture. Your post replied as though you disagreed, but you also seemed to agree.

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