NYPD monitored Muslim students all over Northeast, Muslim Brotherhood-linked MSA and media enablers in uproar

The Muslim Students Association is a Muslim Brotherhood group. The NYPD was monitoring it. So what? As long as no Constitutional protections were genuinely violated, the NYPD is just doing its job. The purpose of articles like this is to stop them from doing that job, which will have the effect, intended or not, of allowing the jihadist and Islamic supremacist activities of the MSAs to advance unimpeded.

Discover the Networks here has documentation of the MSA's ties to the Brotherhood, as well as a lengthy list of inflammatory, jihadist statements and jihad activities by MSA members.

"NYPD monitored Muslim students all over Northeast," by Chris Hawley for the Associated Press, February 18 (thanks to all who sent this in):

NEW YORK—The New York Police Department monitored Muslim college students far more broadly than previously known, at schools far beyond the city limits, including the Ivy League colleges of Yale and the University of Pennsylvania, The Associated Press has learned.

Police talked with local authorities about professors 300 miles away in Buffalo and even sent an undercover agent on a whitewater rafting trip, where he recorded students' names and noted in police intelligence files how many times they prayed.

Detectives trawled Muslim student websites every day and, although professors and students had not been accused of any wrongdoing, their names were recorded in reports prepared for Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly.

Asked about the monitoring, police spokesman Paul Browne provided a list of 12 people arrested or convicted on terrorism charges in the United States and abroad who had once been members of Muslim student associations, which the NYPD referred to as MSAs. Jesse Morton, who this month pleaded guilty to posting online threats against the creators of "South Park," had once tried to recruit followers at Stony Brook University on Long Island, Browne said.

"As a result, the NYPD deemed it prudent to get a better handle on what was occurring at MSAs," Browne said in an email. He said police monitored student websites and collected publicly available information, but did so only between 2006 and 2007.

"I see a violation of civil rights here," said Tanweer Haq, chaplain of the Muslim Student Association at Syracuse. "Nobody wants to be on the list of the FBI or the NYPD or whatever. Muslim students want to have their own lives, their own privacy and enjoy the same freedoms and opportunities that everybody else has."

In recent months, the AP has revealed secret programs the NYPD, built with help from the CIA, to monitor Muslims at the places where they eat, shop and worship. The AP also published details about how police placed undercover officers at Muslim student associations in colleges within the city limits; this revelation has outraged faculty and student groups.

Though the NYPD says it follows the same rules as the FBI, some of the NYPD's activities go beyond what the FBI is allowed to do.

Kelly and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg repeatedly have said that the police only follow legitimate leads about suspected criminal activity.

But the latest documents mention no wrongdoing by any students.

In one report, an undercover officer describes accompanying 18 Muslim students from the City College of New York on a whitewater rafting trip in upstate New York on April 21, 2008. The officer noted the names of attendees who were officers of the Muslim Student Association.

"In addition to the regularly scheduled events (Rafting), the group prayed at least four times a day, and much of the conversation was spent discussing Islam and was religious in nature," the report says....

Yes, and so? This is egregious, as far as Chris Hawley and AP are concerned, but when jihadis consistently explain and justify their violent actions by referring to Islamic imperatives, as the underwear bomber did just days ago, why shouldn't law enforcement consider it worth noting when young Muslims discuss Islam? What assurance can the Muslim Brotherhood-linked MSA give that discussions of Islam among its members differ fundamentally in character from discussions of Islam among people like Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, Nidal Hasan, and Faisal Shahzad? And in the absence of the possibility of any such genuine assurance, why shouldn't law enforcement be vigilant?

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If my church had such a jihadi movement going on, I would BEG the FBI to monitor our congregation, because I would rather help prevent a mass murder than b!tch about my rights while others are getting killed and maimed. That's because I have my priorities straight. I don't just care about me and no one else. I don't put my hurt feelers on par with death and terror. I guess you could say I'm a human being.

It's not like the MSA is dedicated to throwing keggers every weekend.

Tanweer Haq, 'chaplain' of the MSA.
Say WHAT ?
Since when did an imam merit the term 'chaplain' ? Never mind. .as for monitoring the whitewater rafters, eminently well-done NYPD. .The London 7/7 bombers all went whitewater rafting in Wales as a team-building excercice. The likes of moany-bitch Tanweer can fume away about their perceived violation of civil liberties. Screw 'em, I say. .I have personally been checked-out by the police more times than Tanweer has had hot suppers, and I never complained once. They were just doing their job.

Yes, well... I can go to the MSA chapter at the University of Minnesota and go to one of the websites they link to... Islamway. There, I will be greeted by books, articles and speeches saying that homosexuals should be killed, women should be veiled, disbelievers should be killed, fornicators lashed and the whole nine yards.

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~muslimsa/?Islam

I think the police may be on to something...

Maybe this is a sign of my outright Islamophobia.

NEW YORK—The New York Police Department monitored Muslim college students far more broadly than previously known, ......

Seems like the attempt to scrub FBI files of the truth about Islam's agenda and impose PC-Sharia generally has failed. The boys and girls working on the ground don't buy the nonsense peddled by the State Department.

Defense is deceit! :))

“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ’sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

http://shariahthethreat.org/a-short-course-1-what-is-shariah/a-short-course-14-the-muslim-brotherhood%E2%80%99s-strategic-plan/

Never trust a Muslim.

As Islam is a scourge--quite frankly, no Muslim should be allowed to enter a free country; it should be that one must renounce Islam to join the free world.

Tolerating intolerance is insanity. As it is, the free world is a pitiable mess.

Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.

You wrote:

"Never trust a Muslim.

As Islam is a scourge--quite frankly, no Muslim should be allowed to enter a free country; it should be that one must renounce Islam to join the free world."

Yes, I completely agree with you ...

Well good for NYPD, at least their not "sheeple," Baaaaa. They think for themselves!! Re-freshing!!

What a novel idea, people and departments using their brains, thinking for themselves; not doing their job according to the "Politically Correct Terrorism Manuel".

Way to go NYPD, keep-up the Good Work - and while your at it NYPD, file that, "Politically Correct Terrorism Manuel" right where it belongs, in the round filing cabinet on the floor, you know ... the one right next to the bin that says "for glass and paper only".

The only bummer in this is, now we the American people will be subjected to another round of demonistrations and protests by muslims; who we have "soooooo" horribly treated.
So to any muslims or far out of this galaxy leftys' .... if you don't like it ... leave, sooner rather than later.

This story was also covered at the 'New English Review'.

The caption by 'Hugh Fitzgerald', a former regular contributor here for many years, says it all.


http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/40697

Saturday, 18 February 2012

'And If They Did, Thank God They Did".

([That is, if they (the NYPD) did indeed monitor Muslim students, thank God they did!).

My sentiments exactly, and I do hope that here in Australia, where we have many Mohammedan 'students', our ASIO and the Federal Police and our local State and metropolitan police are doing exactly as the NYPD has done and will, I hope, continue to do.

The sadist Allah about the “wishy-washy” (or so-called “moderate”) Muslims in his Qur’an

33:23, 24 “…and punish the Hypocrites”

…Personal goal: Aspire to Shahada – Death for Allah

- “Allah is our goal, the Prophet is our leader,
the Quran is our constitution,
the Jihad is our way,
and the Death for Allah is our most exalted wish.”

http://newstime.co.nz/video-the-muslim-students-association-msa-muslim-brotherhood-linked-pledge-of-allegiance.html

Not all Muslims are bombers, in the same way that not all Nazis were gas-chamber operators. Nevertheless, they all subscribe to the same ruthless, murderous, genocidal, totalitarian, supremacist ideology.

All should be objects of concern and investigation to a free society trying to protect itself.

Dear Brother

I praying for this cause to stop with the Muslim brotherhood. Here is an article about a pastor in Tahrir square talking about the situation of the country and Christians who are living at this time.

http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/02/19/tahrir-church-pastor-future-of-egypt-is-the-truth/

Blessings

Youssef

As long as law enforcement does not go beyond what an ordinary citizen would be able to, such as looking at these guys (and gals),asking friends and neighbors about them, walking where they walk, joining a "group", even undercover,etc., then no law has been broken.
And when these guys were on the rafting outing and they talked about Islam, what kinds of things did they say? Did they discuss ways to make "radicals" behave properly as opposed to say, being glad there are "radicals" behaving as the rest of us wish they wouldn't? Just what do they wish to hide? And why do ordinary people wish to help them hide it by complaining about the police watching so as to "protect and serve?"

"I see a violation of civil rights here," said Tanweer Haq, chaplain of the Muslim Student Association at Syracuse. "Nobody wants to be on the list of the FBI or the NYPD or whatever. Muslim students want to have their own lives, their own privacy and enjoy the same freedoms and opportunities that everybody else has."

Tanweer Hack: Get a clue. You say that but mean that Muslim students can have their own lives, their own privacy and enjoy the same freedoms and opportunities as everyone -- as long as it's all by Sharia rules. But then you're just practicing taqiyya, or Islamic double-speak.

One can only hope that the NYPD follow
them ALL.
Every day and everyway.

"Imam" is Arabic for "gauleiter."

Ahh. . Ich verstehe jetzt, danke.

"Nobody wants to be on the list of the FBI or the NYPD or whatever. Muslim students want to have their own lives, their own privacy and enjoy the same freedoms and opportunities that everybody else has."

Then they should have used some common sense before joining an organization that pumps out jihadists like a puppy farm.

Article:

"Kelly and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg repeatedly have said that the police only follow legitimate leads about suspected criminal activity.

But the latest documents mention no wrongdoing by any students."
________

I don't know about this. Until they had proof of criminal activity, I would be objecting to undercover officers going on my "rafting trip", as well.

Imagine if Nanny Napolitano decided there were "Right-Wing-Extremists writing on that damned JihadWatch", and "we need to monitor those wackos at their upcoming Beach Retreat in Mexico", or something.

It's not a far stretch from student associations to online "associations". I'll betcha' though, that the cops had at least some tidbits of information pointing to questionable activity by those bright-eyed, bushy-tailed, "Muslim-Scholar-Rafters".

I am all for monitoring !
Our gov't in Canada is passing a law to allow the use of information garnered by monitoring web sites for prosecution of child porn without a warrant. Same should be for drug dealers, Jihadis etc.

The left here doesn't get it ! This has been going on for ever. How do they think we catch Jihadis, drug dealers & pedophiles.
Truth is that with trillions of internet, cell ,email traffic there are no cops monitoring all our calls etc in person until electronic surveillance software triggers a response.
Those who do wrong should be afraid not the law abiding person. The so called slippery slope is garbage left talk. We have elections to stop that. We used to have right thinking media to investigate & reveal this aswell.
I am only too happy to give up some rights to stop the spread of hate speech, child porn, drugs &especially Islam Jihad.

The MSA should not be allowed in any college in America. Any one that is active now should be shut down. This is America not Saudi Arabia. If they don't like it to bad.

When you see CAIR and MSA protestors asking for Kelly's resignation, you know he's doing the right thing and causing them worry. It's Michael Bloomberg who should really be fired--he's the dhimmie who wants the ground zero mosque to be built on the sacred site. When a so-called religion clearly is invested in a world caliphate and is willing to kill innocent people, even babies, for that objective, I can only commend Kelly and the NYPD--my suggestion is: no lite te bastardes incomborunderum--don't let the bastards grind you down. Stay strong New York and NYPD.

Do not Tolerate intolerance.

As much as it sounds like an oxymoron, it is true.

"whitewater rafting"

guite uncommon, since they're so used to going against the flow, do you think they paddled upstream? teambuilding

"how many times they prayed"

every time they set ashore and prayed they established holy ground. Never met a Muslim who could "leave no trace"; probably left a sign or two for others to find. coordinates and all.

and on the water they didn't discuss why daddy pays a womanist professor to teach at Yale, but perhaps, how an opportunity might be made to control inland water...maybe even sell it

Wonderful work, Kelly, and NYPD, I don't trust a one, some worse than others. I tend to watch expressions and eyes, but not only.

Criminals, thugs, and barbarians don't like the law watching or monitoring them. What have they to hide.? That's the whole point.

Law biding citizens don't mined having to show I.D. cards or being watched. If the law enforcement officers make you nervous and uneasy, there must be good reason.

Most all civil law bidding countries keep good track of criminals and suspects. Counties such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and dozens more, not so much.

Once again if police officers make you nervous, perhaps you have something to hide. NYPD should keep up the good work..

I see all of you hate monger are out in force today. First the NYC Police broke the law than it could be disband an very officer arrest for they criminal acts.

pardon us while we vent

most here simply don't trust all what your creed compels y'all to do

"DefenderofIslam wrote:

I see all of you hate monger are out in force today. First the NYC Police broke the law than it could be disband an very officer arrest for they criminal acts.
..............................

I needn't ask why "DefenderofIslam" considers it a "criminal act" to keep tabs on those who would impose Shari'ah or kill us outright.

Under Islam law, no Infidel is allowed to defend himself, even against murder. *This* is what "DefenderofIslam" considers "hate".

He wants to see the entire New York City police force "disband", and for us to be left completely unprotected.

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