UK: Creator of children's character "Fireman Sam" detained at airport for noting that a veiled Muslim woman passed through security without showing her face

Orwellian indeed, it's like all pigs are equal but some pigs (muslims) are more equal than others! Perhaps every one should wear paper bags over their heads as they go through airport security and then see what happens! The U.K. govt is quilty of high treason to allow this obvious antidemocratic fascist Islamic society to flourish in their country. This can only end badly as in an un-civil war that will tear their country apart.

Have you guys noticed that in european websites everytime there's a news story about muslims the comment section is closed? not only in british media, it happens also in norwegian, swedish and german media.

Frightening!!

Apparently - that's a fairer Britain!!

It's the whole joke - strip search the nun!!

All he had to do was say he's Muslim too and act completely offended that a Muslim would be offended by another Muslims comments. They are assuming he is not Muslim. Turn the tables on them; temporary Muslim like a temporary bride.

"He said that when he made his initial remark the security guard had appeared to agree with him, saying: “I know what you mean, but we have our rules, and you aren’t allowed to say that."

"I was told that we now live in a different time and some things are not to be said."

Not allowed to say that? Some things are not to be said?
I am so sick of this crap, some days I feel like I'm going to choke on my anger.

Don't think this kind of thing is confined to the UK. It's spreading like a cancer all over the civilized world.

". . .he was confronted by a woman official who said he was being held because he had made an offensive remark". . . "We were then joined by a second female security guard who stated that she was Muslim and was deeply distressed by my comment."

Civilization-murdering British politicians and bureaucrats, whether ideological or opportunistic, should be the ones detained for the cultural holocaust they are waging against a betrayed British people.

Why today are the worst civilizations expanding at the expense of the West's most progressive? Don't depend on the shame of carpetbagging failed-staters to adopt Western values or actually return with bright ideas to change the retrograde mentalities in the lands they fleed.

Policies changing previously progressive places like Netherlands and Britain into retrograde lands in which the enlightened indigenous are afraid to live is the greatest evil a politician can perpetuate.

They were trying to trap him into a racially-aggravated public order offence which they charged Emma West with. This is as disgusting as the Zombie Muhammad case. Freedom is dead in the UK, your government has betrayed you Britain.

The moslem should apologize to humanity for thinking a paedophile is a prophet.

However, if the intelligence of the people Gatwick employs to keep civilians safe from moslem terrorists is as low as the story above suggests, then travellers from Gatwick are doomed.

This is almost beyond belief, it makes me so angry I'm tempted to use invective language.

His story has the ring of an infidel passing through security in Saudia Arabia.

My attitude would have been even more pronounced. I would be demanding an apology from the Gatwick Security and I would tell them I won't apologize even after hell freezes over.

So the message here is, "Oh shit, we have so many Somalians living here now, we must do something about Somalia!". It's just like when our liberal leaders celebrate the charitable spirit of the British people, sending money to Somalia, forgetting the fact that we also have the largest Somalian population OUTSIDE of Somalia, and that's just a bloody coincidence. Somalians here are stinking hypocrites: live the life of luxury in infidel Britain, while sending money back home to Somalia and have absolutely no interest in going back. Makes me puke.

God I have so much incoherent, latent anger burning inside me about Islam, I swear I'm close to doing something I won't regret.

Oh nuts, my post ended up on the wrong blog page. It was supposed to go on the one about Somalia! Ignore it. :/

R.I.P. self-hating Britain: Physically smaller than Oregon, one of the most densely populated places on Earth thanks to uncontrolled immigration intentionally aimed at ending Britishness as a culture, as your Labour party admitted. Your shadow was always much larger than your reality, so you threw it all away, thinking you could afford it. Take a look at Bangledesh, it is your future. Thanks for destroying the land of my ancestors, one that I once would have liked to visit, but not now.

What about the London bombings committed by Muslims, weren't they offensive too? What about the next London bombings, we all know that will happen again too, how many will be killed then? And the bombings after that? What will it take, an angry mob to storm Parliament & demand the government ban Islam from Britain before the PC brigade see the light?

On this story, words fail me. Words are so inadequate. It is time for action. Words will not stop the barbarian hordes.

You have to be just as militant and as forthright in defending liberalism, democracy and freedom, as these 7th century barbarians are in defending their decrepit, moronic faith. Which is worse: achieving Islamic supremacy via the bomb and bullet; or achieving it via dialogue and cultural osmosis? Which one are we closer to? The latter. All thanks to our traitorous lefty rulers, who are either deliberately or unwittingly, setting the groundwork for it to happen. Like the frog in the saucepan, we haven't noticed the water is boiling.

Just where does the authority come from that makes these airport security types think they can force someone to apologize? These people were either way out of line or the rules they operate under need serious overhaul.

It's good to keep in mind that the systematic propaganda described in Orwell's 1984 was not simply a projection of the future, but a reflection of the British propaganda office of World War II.

The European countries, and Canada, operate under a deep disadvantage compared to the US. They do not have a first amendment right to freedom of speech.

The European countries would do well to consider instituting something like a first amendment constitutional provision which supersedes all legislation. It is entirely religion-neutral, but would be a heavy blow against the Islamic trend in Europe.

As it is, there is a very heavy deterioration of individual freedoms in European countries in general, and in Britain in particular. They cannot be classified as completely free.

With indignant emotionally unstable and hypersensitive TSA agents on the payroll, what is one to make of Napolitano's "see something, say something" policy?

They should ban the burka - period. Next paragraph.

This is the calibre of the politicians we have in the UK. Simon Hughes is the deputy leader of the Liberal party which forms part of the coilition goverment currently in power. This grovelling traitor has to be seen and listened to in order to be believed !! - this speech took place in 2008 but I have no doubt this useful idiot still holds the same views. - http://youtu.be/f1ugsVMarRA

This is disgusting, irrational, foolish and beyond belief!
It's VERY SAD, to see the West bowing down to Islam!

I could not imagine English authorities acting this way if the comment made was considered insulting to the Irish.

The stupid cowardly PC fascistic BS of the current UK.

UK, get a First Amendment.

The fundamental point is NOT that he didn't actually say anything racist. The fundamental point is that freedom of speech means one should be allowed to say something racist or offensive, so long as it isn't illegal (eg can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre.)

So, even if he HAD said something offensive or racist, SO WHAT?!

Is there a law that offensive people can't fly on planes? If so, no Muslims at all should be allowed to fly as I find their totalitarian supremacist misogynistic murderous dehumanizing belief system HORRIBLY OFFENSIVE.

Every veiled woman is OFFENSIVE as she wears a garment of dehumanization and misogyny. So will they stop the veiled woman next time and maker her apologize to ME for being offensive?

Winston Churchill must be spinning in his grave. But the Brits do not deserve to survive, and neither will we Americans, if we will not stand up to this wicked alliance between the Islamists and the Leftists, whose joint mission is to destroy Western Civilization.

"We now live in a different time and some things are not to be said."

Learn the lesson of history.

Back in 625, a Muslim named Mohammed ibn Maslama came to the Nadir, a Jewish tribe of wealthy orchard-tenders, to advise them: "The Prophet wants to eject you from this land. You must be gone within ten days, for the earth belongs to Allah and his apostle."

The Nadir replied: "We didn't think an old ally like you would ever bring such a wicked message!"

The messenger replied: “Hearts are changed now.” (Bukhari 53:392).

Look out for changed hearts.

(If you think you recognise the name Mohammed ibn Maslama, he was the one who had decapitated the poet Kaab ibn Al-Ashraf a year earlier, and a few years later was also to decapitate Kaab's cousin, the treasurer Kinana ibn Al-Rabi. A professional thug.)

The next time a mozza brings down a plane someone should SUE the airport security for not doing their damn job.

It only takes ONE to get through.

So, Islamists are the main concern when it comes to security threats, but best not offend them by checking, as that breeds more islamists. Ha.
And so does letting them get away with it with a free pass.

This is an outrage! What kind of 'security' lets somebody through wearing a disguise? If we tried to go through the checks wearing a mask or some other facial disguise we would be arrested immediately! Such disguises can hide all manner of things - like, for example, a male or female wanted by the authorities, slipping out of the country,( we already know that terrorist men have dressed as women to evade recognition ), explosives or weapons hidden under the disguise. Somebody needs to apologise to Mr Jones, quickly and T. May needs to jump on airport security before we have another islamic attack. Doesn't augur well for the Olympics, does it? Why is a muslim employed on airport security checks? - this is inherantly dangerous - their culture is such that they dare not challenge a muslim male( if they are female ) - think about what that could lead to - for God's sake, get a grip Britain - you are letting us all down! CAMORON NEEDS TO BE TAKEN TO TASK ON THIS - A BIT QUICKLY!

Thomas Paine's an English man wrote in 1776 an artical called ,
The Age of Reason.

You will do me the justice to remember, that I have always strenuously supported the rights of every Man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine.
He who denies to another this right, makes a slavery of himself to his present opinion ,because he precludes himself the right of changing it.
The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is Reason. I have never used any other, and trust I never shall.

He also wrote Declaration of the Rights of Man and The Crises he help America during the independence.
What is happening to the UK FREE SPEECH.
We need a revolution now as the present people who are running the UK have lost it.

Robert did he make it to his plane with his daughters ?

There is something more about this man that is of interest.

He is, seemingly, not only a former fireman, and the creator (with a friend) of the original idea for the 'Fireman Sam' series for children, but... "a former member of the Household Cavalry".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_Cavalry

"The term Household Cavalry is used across the Commonwealth to describe the cavalry of the Household Divisions, a country’s most elite or historically senior military groupings or those military groupings that provide functions associated directly with the Head of state.

"The British Household Cavalry is made up of two regiments of the British armed forces, the Life Guards and the Blues and Royals (Royal Horse Guards and 1st Dragoons).

"These regiments are divided between the Armoured Regiment stationed at Combermere Barracks in Windsor and the ceremonial mounted unit stationed at Knightsbridge Barracks, London at the HCMR (Household Cavalry Mounted Regiment).

"The two regiments are also stationed at Combermere barracks, Windsor where a lot of training, especially equine, takes place."

And I just looked at the Daily Mail story, and Mr Jones was, it seems, a member of the ceremonial Royal Horse Guards - the Household Cavalry Mounted Regiment, no less; there's a photo of him in full regalia.

It isn't just anybody who gets to be one of *those*. You gotta be **good**. And it isn't just about being decorative, either. The guys may *look* decorative, but there are occasions when, basically, they function as part of the layers of security surrounding the Monarch when she is out on view in publicl.

Strikes me that Mr Jones should go right to the top and appeal to his Queen for redress and succour against injustice.

This double standard is nothing new. A couple of years ago in Stansted airport I was behind a hijabbed women in the security queue. I had taken off my jacket but was wearing a scarf around my neck.

Three guesses as to who had to remove her scarf. Did I say anything even though I was seething? No, because I would probably have been subject to the same treatment as this poor man.

Hardly anyone speaks up against manifest injustice anymore because if you do you are dragged through the dirt.

We are no longer all equal before the law.

"He said that when he made his initial remark the security guard had appeared to agree with him, saying: “I know what you mean, but we have our rules, and you aren’t allowed to say that.”"

Lets see. I hear no threat of violence or other harm. Nothing akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater. And veils are not a bodily appendage or handicap that some people are born with.

Yup. By my measure freedom of speech is officially dead in the UK.

Consider this story the last page of its obituary. And pray that it may be resurrected.

Or better yet contact your MP and any related government minister or functionary and insist it be resurrected. If you don't start making yourselves a bigger pain in the a$$ to your government than the muslims (short of violence) than you will surely lose your rights and more besides.

Quit being so stoically stiff-upper-lippish. Its incredibly frustrating for us outsiders to watch. Start tieing up some phone lines and government office lobbies.

Be the squeaky wheel. In large numbers.

I am glad David Jones stuck to his guns in the face of such intimidation.

Hats off to you, Mr Jones.
And if you missed your flight because of this un-called for detention, i think you should sue the airport authorities.

"Fireman Sam creator detained at airport for veil comment at security gate," by Jason Lewis in the Telegraph, February 26 (thanks to all who sent this in):

A retired fireman, and creator of the popular children's character, Fireman Sam, was detained at an airport for questioning why a veiled woman was not checked by security.
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God, the madness—first, in letting a veiled women through security. Not only would this be bad enough in the case of *any* person refusing to show their face, but that she is a member of the group responsible for virtually 100% of the threat to air traffic makes this even more insane.

And then, this decent man is detained for *commenting on it*.

More:

In a light-hearted aside to a security official who had been assisting him, he said: “If I was wearing this scarf over my face, I wonder what would happen.”

The quip proved to be a mistake. After passing through the gates, he was confronted by staff and accused of racism.
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Actually, the quip was not a mistake—but the reaction of security to it certainly was.

Yes—Islam is *not a race*. In addition, he joking referred to wearing the scarf himself. How can this possibly be construed as "racist"?

More:

"I feel that my rights as an individual have been violated. What I underwent amounts to intimidation and detention. I was humiliated and degraded in full public view.

"I am a 67-year-old pensioner and have lived my life within the law. I do not have even one point on my driving licence.”

As he went through the metal detecting arch, his artificial hip set off the alarm, prompting a full search from a guard.
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These creeps are detaining and harassing an elderly man with an artificial hip. What despicable bullies—this just adds to the insult.

More:

He said that when he made his initial remark the security guard had appeared to agree with him, saying: “I know what you mean, but we have our rules, and you aren’t allowed to say that.”
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Appalling. What was it exactly that he wasn't "allowed to say"?

More:

As his daughters, who had passed through security, waited in the departure lounge wondering where he was, he was subjected to a one hour stand-off as officials tried to force him to apologise.
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Security detained a man who is clearly not a threat for an hour at busy Gatwick Airport. Not only is this a gross infringement on his rights, it is also a grotesque misuse of airport security.

Not only did he not insult security—but when did the sensitivities of security personnel become an issue, anyway? Police, guards, and security people are supposed to have pretty thick skins, as long as they are not being physically threatened.

But this is a moot point, since Mr. Jones wasn't being rude, in any case.

More:

It was after this, and as he prepared to rejoin his two grown-up daughters, that he was confronted by another guard who said he was being detained because he had made an offensive remark.

“I repeated to her what I had said and told her that I had said nothing racist,” he said. “She took my passport and boarding pass and I was then escorted back through the security zone into the outer area. Here the female security guard proceeded to question me further, inferring many things that I had not said.
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"Inferring many things that I had not said"—in other words, they were *lying about him*.

More:

“It was impossible to get her to listen to reason. We were then joined by a second female security guard who stated that she was Muslim and was deeply distressed by my comment.

“I again stated that I had not made a racist remark but purely an observation that we were in a maximum security situation being searched thoroughly whilst a woman with her face covered walked through. I made no reference to race or religion. I did not swear or raise my voice.”
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*A Muslim*. Rather than keeping the public safe, she is harassing Infidels who point out the lapse.

They should apologize to him, and to everyone endangered by letting this burqa'd thing breeze through security.

More:

“I asked the security guard if she was going to charge me to which she said no but I could not leave until I had apologised to the Muslim guard.

“At this point I asked for the attendance of a police officer. After some time he arrived but it was also plainly evident that he was keeping to the politically correct code. I told him that if there was a case then he should arrest me.
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The police officer is enforcing Shari'ah, as well. Appalling.

In stark contrast to David Jones had to go through with these vicious morons, there is his "Fireman Sam"—who is a genuine British hero.

The books are very popular, and his work has been turned into an animated series and a stage show.

I too am suffering some kind of persecution by my local police in the Torbay Area of the United Kingdom.

I have anti Islam signs on my car. Police visited me and stated a CHRISTIAN had complained he was offended by the signs because they were offensive to those of another faith. The police claimed I had to remove the signs because they had caused offence. I said if they could arrange for me to meet with the CHRISTIAN gentleman who was offended, I might reconsider my position after talking to him. The police without consulting the CHRISTIAN thought it unlikely he would agree to meet me and were unwilling to try to arrange a meeting.

The police continued to insist I must remove the signs, I said I am not removing them, you had better arrest me amd I will have my day in court. I was then told it would never reach court and it was intimated that the matter could be dealt without court proceedings and they could in some legal way remove the signs AND take my computers for investigation.

Their visit, during which they accused me of being racist and xenophobic, ended with them reporting back to their superiors. Will I hear more from them ??? I don't know, but I am consulting a lawyer and taking legal advice. It really is like 1984.

What was done to David Jones reminds me of something that happened to the late Dominic Tabrar-Synge, frequent contributor to this forum in 2006-April 2007.

Here is Dominic's account of being bullied by Muslims in the Underground; and what happened when he attempted to obtain redress from Officialdom.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/12/culture-clash-in-denmark.html

necessitasnonhabetlegem | December 31, 2006 11:14 PM
Hugh/
I could not agree more with your last post if I tried.

Yes, of course, moslems are an alien body in our midst.

Every day in London - on the tube, in shops, in parks, whilst shopping, whilst going about the 101 tasks that make up an average life - this is borne in on me.

In London today moslems dress differently, are rude to locals, jump queues, shout at us, wave their fists at us, call us 'worthless infidel' in public and in loud voices.

I have, just four days ago, been elbowed aside by a moslem couple, with sidekicks, whilst trying to top up my Oyster card at a tube station at the automatic machine.

Apparently, I had taken longer than the ten seconds that they were prepared to wait and so three burly males forced me aside and, when I objected, pushed me to the floor and - quite literally - and took over the machine which I was attempting to use.

Not, in a crowded and impatient city like London that this was a surprise, but that in this instance that I was insulted by these people was a surprise.

The eldest male in the group, dressed in the usual and ridiculous garb of mohammedans everywhere, looked directly at me amd said, in quite clear English, (and I quote verbatim) "Get out of our way infidel slave".

You may imagine how I felt at that moment. To be so insulted in my own capital city was stunning. It took all my self-control not to do something rash at that moment.

Knowing that CCTV cameras would have captured this incident I complained, some three hours later (after having completed my journey and return), to the British Transport Police on the Broadway.

I need not have bothered.

Not only would no-one there take my complaint of 'technical assault and insult' seriously but no-one to whom I spoke was even prepared to initiate any paperwork whatsoever nor were they remotely prepared to find and look at the video recordings.

Indeed, one Officer even said to me that I 'should swallow my pride' and live with it because - and, once again, I quote verbatim 'you are just being racist and you have to remember that it's cultural with them'.

Obviously, at this point, I indicated that I felt that I had been physically assaulted and that I would really like to have my complaint investigated.

Well, this is really where everything about that evening begins to stick in my craw.

When I said that, the Officer of the BTP who was listening to me actually cautioned me and warned me that if I persisted with making a nuisance of myself I would be charged under the The Race Relations Act 1976 and the RRAA (Race Relations (Amendment) Act) 2000.

I gave up at this point.

Cowardice is sometimes the better part of valour.

But, damn it, they won, didn't they?

I have been intimidated into a dhimmi position by them and [by] the very powers which should have protected me in my own country.
"Happy New Year everyone", I say in a bitter tone of voice.
Dominic."

Dominic's story, and Mr Jones' story, are horribly illuminating when viewed together.

In one, Muslims not only grossly verbally insult - 'get out of our way, infidel slave!' - but **physically assault** a non-Muslim (Dominic). It is all on CCTV. Yet when the non-Muslim complains to (non-Muslim) Authority, he is basically told to suck it up.

In the other case, Mr Jones' case, he makes an observation - lightly, but with a serious undertone - about what is basically an actual or potential security breach (one would expect a former member of Her Majesty's security detail, namely the Household Cavalry, to notice a security breach and draw attention to it). This remark is construed as an Insult!!! OH NOES! to the Poor Persecuted Mohammedans (one of whom, not even having heard what he said, is only too happy to cry Victim) - and Mr Jones is bullied and harassed and threatened and prevented from going about his business.

The smallest hint of an insult to, or criticism of, Muslims is treated as a massive offence; whereas the actual Muslim *assault* to Mr Tabrar-Synge - Muslims pushed him to the ground - was treated as something he must simply tolerate and submit to, without even a squeak of complaint.