How many are the lies that Egypt’s military regime has forwarded concerning its role in attacking and killing Egyptian demonstrators since it usurped power a year ago?
There were, for instance, the lies concerning the Maspero massacre, where the military slaughtered Christian Copts who were protesting the constant attacks on their churches—including by running them over with armored-vehicles.
Despite all the video evidence [apparently now removed by YouTube], the military regime insisted that it would “never, never” run over civilians; that the very idea was “impossible, impossible!” It even showed a video of a military-vehicle running amuck, claiming it was hijacked by Coptic protesters (it was later revealed that an Egyptian soldier was, in fact, inside driving).
More recently, Mohamad Tantawi, the head of the military—and de facto head of Egypt—insisted that the widely circulated video of soldiers beating, stripping, and kicking a female protester is “entirely fake”—a ludicrous assertion, even if Jimmy Carter supports it.
Who is the latest victim to be scapegoated for the military’s crimes against its own citizenry? None other than the U.S.A.
Ongoing accusations that American officials were involved in killing Egyptian civilians have prompted the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to deny it through a January 27 press release:
As we have stated in previous press releases, there is absolutely no truth to reports that U.S. embassy employees or diplomats were involved in hit-and-run incidents using U.S. diplomatic vehicles, injuring or killing protestors in January 2011 in Cairo. There is also no truth to statements alleging that the keys inside U.S. diplomatic vehicles are coded and can only be used by U.S. Embassy employees. On January 28, 2011, however, a number of our U.S. Embassy vehicles were stolen. After these vehicles were stolen, we heard reports of their use in violent and criminal acts. If true, we deplore these acts and the perpetrators. Egyptian authorities have conducted an investigation that has led to the recovery of some of these stolen vehicles.
Who is behind these accusations? The military? As mentioned, it did make similar accusations against Coptic protesters, saying they hijacked and manned the military-vehicles that ran over fellow Copts at Maspero—only to be exposed as lying by Al Dalil.
While it is not altogether clear who is behind these accusations—this report indicates a lawyer of a former Egyptian official being tried, while older reports mention “communiqués”—it is, of course, the military regime that stands to gain by this latest case of blaming the other.
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@badblond on RSJIHADWATCH twitter feed is likely part of your security detail. Where is GI to chime in on this?
How come the filthy Joos didn't get the blame this time? I'm stunned.
Jolene wrote:
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@badblond on RSJIHADWATCH twitter feed is likely part of your security detail. Where is GI to chime in on this?
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Jolene, am I the "GI" you're referring to? I have absolutely no idea what this is about.
(If this reference was to someone else, please disregard).
They love their conspiracy theories in that part of the world.
GI @ 12/2011
"Are you implying that these threats were somehow trumped up by Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller themselves? Are you implying that the threats were made by allies for some purpose? Are you implying that the threats really were made by Jihadists, but—for some reason—are not to be taken seriously?
Throwing up one's hands and proclaiming "it's sad to live in a constant state of suspicion" simply makes no sense.
While it is not possible to know the truth of every particular situation, it is still quite possible to apply logic.
Robert Spencer is widely known for his honesty, careful research, and strong scruples. He consistently avoids taking cheap shots in all aspects of his work—he would not likely trump up some sort of false threat, if this is indeed what you are implying—unless I'm reading your implication incorrectly?
As for these being the possible actions of allies, this is, it is true, less certain. But given the wide variety of death threats he has received, with so many of them specifically posted by known Jihadist bloggers and commenters, this seems unlikely in all but the rarest of cases (if that).
The more important question might be: what would anti-Jihadists gain from such a ploy? Robert Spencer has already made it clear that he forwards the most dire threats to the FBI, and that that agency rarely follows up on them.
So—this cannot be a ploy to take down Jihadists. I suppose one *might* consider it some sort of attempt to further prove that Jihadists are violent—but it would seem that they don't need any further help, after reading the horrific litany of Muslim violence taken from accounts in the mainstream press posted here at Jihad Watch day in and day out.
As for the possibility that not all death threats are to be taken seriously—well, that's true. In many cases, clearly, this is just "recreational" intimidation. But two issues here: firstly, even threats not followed through on constitute a form of Jihad terrorism. In addition, it is impossible to know beyond a point *which* threats are to be taken seriously.
And some of them are very serious indeed. A Danish cartoonist, Kurt Westergaard, had his home broken into, and his attacker *tried to kill him with an axe*; another cartoonist, Swedish artist Lars Vilks, had arsonists set his house on fire; that same cartoonist faced a far-flung Jihadist plot to murder him that involved Muslim terrorists from the United States, Ireland, and parts of Dar-al-Islam; former Dutch parliamentarian Ayaan Hirsi Ali has faced such severe threats that she had to resign her post and requires twenty-four-hour a day security; her film-making partner in creating "Submission", Theo van Gogh, *was* savagely murdered by a Jihadist in an Amsterdam street, with a death threat affixed to his chest with a knife warning Ayan Hirsi Ali she was next...
I could go on and on, of course, but you get the idea.
And that's part of the point—Americans and other Westerners *are not* rampaging through the streets murdering Muslims—nor, except in the rarest of cases, do they ever threaten to.
But given Muslims' constant claims of victimhood and attempts to shut down criticism of Islam, this *is* a serious issue in their case. There have also been proven cases of Muslims making false claims of victimization—such as break-ins at mosques that they staged themselves or claimed assaults on women in head-scarves that did not occur.
I believe that all serious threats against Muslims *should* be looked into—but they present *no* widespread pattern.
Would that I could say the same about Jihadist threats to *anyone* who might stand in their way in any manner—not just high-profile anti-Jihadists like Robert Spencer, but even much more equivocal figures such as pastor Terry Jones, Congressman Peter King, and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
Ultimately, the goal of Muslim groups like the OIC and CAIR is to criminalize ant criticism of Islam, and any discussion by non-Muslims of its threat—and that, in turn, comes straight from Shari'ah law.
Infidels have no such agenda."
Jolene wrote:
GI @ 12/2011...
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Hi Jolene. I did indeed write that, in reply to a comment of yours. I had to look it up; it was back in November of last year.
You can find the exchange here:
"Hamas-linked CAIR again wars on free speech, tries to get anti-jihad website shut down"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/11/hamas-linked-cair-again-wars-on-free-speech-tries-to-get-anti-jihad-website-shut-down.html
Perhaps my comments were too blunt—it seemed you were implying that either Robert Spencer or some other anti-Jihadists were trumping up the threat, but maybe I read your comments incorrectly. If so, my apologies.
I'm still not sure what this has to do with @badblond on the RSJIHADWATCH twitter feed.
I don't tweet or have access to the Jihad Watch twitter feed—at least I don't think I do. I didn't even know there *was* a JW twitter feed 'til now. I'm not a Luddite—just not exactly cutting edge.
So—I'm still in the dark a bit here. Who is "badblond", and what did he have to say?
There is no credibility with these fundamental adherents to Islam.
They are simply practicing taquiya and kitman which is approved for them in the Koran.
They always talk out of both sides of their mouths depending on their audience.
We have seen this practice for decades with Abbas and Arafat to name a couple. Lying to the dhimmis is a proud religious heritage for Muslims. They are masters at it. All one has to do is look at how the naive and ignorant the dhimmis in America respond to their propaganda from the West Bank and Gaza.
"You can fool some of the people some of the time,but not all the people all the time"
There is no credibility with these fundamental adherents to Islam.
They are simply practicing taquiya and kitman which is approved for them in the Koran.
They always talk out of both sides of their mouths depending on their audience.
We have seen this practice for decades with Abbas and Arafat to name a couple. Lying to the dhimmis is a proud religious heritage for Muslims. They are masters at it. All one has to do is look at how the naive and ignorant the dhimmis in America respond to their propaganda from the West Bank and Gaza.
"You can fool some of the people some of the time,but not all the people all the time"
TANTAWI TO OBAMA
You have enough on your plate with Syria, Pakistan, Iran and the Taliban. You don't need trouble from us. Play ball and give us that $1 billion in aid and we won't give you nightmares about election day.
"On January 28, 2011, however, a number of our U.S. Embassy vehicles were stolen. After these vehicles were stolen, we heard reports of their use in violent and criminal acts."
Who stole them? US military? I don't think so, case closed ...
Article:
"...It even showed a video of a military-vehicle running amuck, claiming it was hijacked by Coptic protesters..."
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Whoa! BS Meter at 9!
Turnspeak.
They accuse the Infidels of doing to Muslims what they - the Muslims - do and have been doing and feel entitled to do to Infidels.
For it is Muslims - in Israel, in Egypt and in mainland USA - who have deliberately run over non-Muslims, or attempted to do so. (there was that Muslim who went on a car rampage on the campus of the University of North Carolina, for example, and the other one who went roaring through the streets of San Francisco running people down). I think our British posters might be able to share with us any number of somewhat suspicious hit and run cases involving Muslim drivers and Kaffir victims, and plenty of cases of Muslim drivers deliberately and arrogantly flouting traffic regs to the severe endangerment of the public.
And there has just been a rather suspicious case in Australia of a young Muslim man - a rising politician, no less - who in his second-hand Ferrari (worth $700,000 new, but it was apparently 'only' worth $300 000) somehow managed, on a quiet suburban street where the speed limit is 50 km/ hr, and with no alcohol in his blood, to run right off the road, trash a parked car and skittle two little Chinese-Australian non-Muslim ladies who happened to be STANDING ON THE FOOTPATH beside that car. (The two little Chinese ladies were badly hurt but will recover, thanks be to the real God and no thanks to the demon allah).
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/two-women-injured-in-ferrari-crash-at-the-boulevard-in-lidcombe-man-charged/story-e6freuzi-1226246845413
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/outofcontrol--ferrari-hits-women-standing-outside-home-20120117-1q51b.html
Out-of-control Ferrari hits women standing outside home
And so...Egyptian Muslims accuse the non-Muslim USA of running over Muslims in the embassy vehicle/s.
Question: have there been cases of Muslim diplomatic staff, attached to embassies in Infidel lands, engaging in dangerous driving and then taking shelter behind 'diplomatic immunity'?? I wouldn't be surprised...
Ongoing accusations that American officials were involved in killing Egyptian civilians…
Well, by Islamic 'logic' it makes perfect sense, dontchaknow? Not the Jooooz this time? Well, maybe Obama can give them another inspirational speech… (sarc/off)
And re the Muslim habit of lying and accusing, especially when they have just been caught out themselves, see this entry on an excellent blog by an Israeli Jewish lady, which I have been following with enjoyment for some time.
It details just one small incident in which one of her own sons discovered just how readily and malevolently Muslims will lie...but in which the lie was almost at once disproven.
http://israelisoldiersmother.blogspot.com/2011/10/liars-just-liars.html
Friday, October 28, 2011
'Liars, Just Liars'.
"...Elie [the lady's eldest son, while serving his stint in the IDF - dda] was accused of deliberately tripping a 10-year-old Arab [sic: Arab Muslim - dda] girl at the checkpoint.
"According to the accusation, Elie pulled a wire that causes spikes to move across the road. The intention of the spikes is to immediately disable a car that crosses the checkpoint without permission.
"I suppose if a child were walking and crossing the path of the spikes as it was pulled by a soldier, she could trip and fall.
"I suppose because I have never seen it, never heard of it happening.
"**The truth is that earlier that morning, Elie stopped an Arab [sic: most likely an Arab MUSLIM - dda] who was try to cross without permission and was caught smuggling items into Israel.
"Elie took the permit away; the Arab was not allowed to cross the checkpoint.
"Within minutes, the Arab [that is, the Arab Muslim - bet it was a Muslim! - dda] called the army and the media, complained that Elie had abused an Arab child.
"Several levels up, the complaint made an impact as the media began calling to inquire about the poor abused little girl.
"Up the complaint went...and then down. Elie's superiors were notified. YNET and others had the story and it was about to be printed - what a great story, sure to garner international condemnation, and human rights organizations would decry the abuse. No matter that it never happened - the story was the point. Mean Israeli soldier abuses poor Palestinian child.
"Except there was no child and the soldier did nothing wrong.
"Elie's commanding officer called Elie and asked him what happened.
"Elie heard the story, listened, looked at the line to pull the spike and immediately asked his commanding officer to come down to the checkpoint.
:He would touch nothing (and even if he did, it wouldn't have changed anything).
"Within a very short time, Elie's commanding officer came down and Elie showed him the pull-line for the spikes.
"**It was embedded in the ground. It had rained in the last few days and cars had driven over it. The ground was firmly packed and there was no way Elie could have reconstructed the effect time, rain, and thousands of cars had created.** {my emphasis - dda}.
" Elie's commanding officer looked, was easily convinced.
"Liars," K. said to Elie, "just liars."'.
Precisely.
People of the Lie.
Not only Arab Mohammedans, but Persian Mohammedans, Afghan Mohammedans, Malay Mohammedans, Albanian Mohammedans, and western-born ethnically caucasian converts to Islam...
They lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and sometimes they get caught out in it, like convert-to-Islam Carnita Mathews in Australia, telling brazen lies about the police officer who had pulled her over, or a Muslim in the UK (I forget his name) who claimed he had been kidnapped by white racists, but whose story was exploded when, at precisely the time he claimed to have been in the hands of the 'kidnappers', he was seen on CCTV footage, strolling gently along the aisles of a suburban homemakers' store.
To paraphrase a famous poem by Hilaire Belloc -
"Mohammed told such Dreadful Lies, it made one Gasp and Stretch One's Eyes"...and his followers are like him.
Video here:
Egyptian army running over demonstrators with armored-vehicles
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/10/egyptian-army-s-crimes.html
Dumbledore's Army wrote:
For it is Muslims - in Israel, in Egypt and in mainland USA - who have deliberately run over...
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And don't forget, DDA, in this litany of murderous Muslim vehicular aggression, the case of Faleh Hassan Almaleki—who ran over and killed his daughter Noor and gravely injured her boyfriend's mother in Arizona a few years back.
Vehicular "honor killing".
"Man charged with murder in 'honor killing': Almaleki accused of running over daughter"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/12/arizona-muslim-charged-with-murder-in-honor-killing-of-his-daughter.html
DDA, I don't know of any specific cases of diplomatic vehicular-jihad here in the UK, however, while we're on the subject of diplomatic immunity, WPC Yyvone Fletcher's killer, in the Libyan Embassy siege, was allowed to escape scot-free. Disgraceful.
It seems to me that there is a typo in the article. You say
I think you meant to say
The Egyptian government's lies about the US is called 'biting the hand that feeds you.'
Clowns!
"Turnspeak.
They accuse the Infidels of doing to Muslims what they - the Muslims - do and have been doing and feel entitled to do to Infidels."
Spot on, dda! ...as always :)
Well the U.S. weren't involved in the latest deaths in Egypt, at least 73 killed & 1000 injured at the soccer. Looks like the inmates are running asylum in Egypt now, maybe it will turn into another Iraq.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/football/scores-dead-in-football-match-riots-20120202-1qtxs.html
The important question is what does Dhimmi Carter thinks about this? Is he buying this load of BS from the Egyptian military? He seems to buy all other conspiracies from the muslims. I used to think of dhimmi carter as the worst president, then when he retired, a doddering old fool, and now as he travels around the Middle East, a complete nincompoop.
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I was late to posting on the four mugs in the UK but it is a theme that London Jim and myself, the co-founders of NCOism, a non-pacifist movement, will be expounding on in the near future.
Those mugs, each one of them, are the universal muslim soldier created by the priestly class of Islam. All the furious head banging has paid off. The universal muslim soldier is the ISLAMOBOT.
Islamobot: no conscience, no shame, no restraint.
Fear not brothers and sisters of the CounterJihad. The founders of NCOism (new conscientious objectorism) will soon present our own soldier, The Universal NCO. The symbol on our flags will be Icarus standing atop a globe. For the symbol go to the link and scroll down to the lower right corner.
http://imageshack.us/f/863/frontcoverprintready.jpg/
Ooops.
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NCOism in a non-pacifist humanist movement.
Mahoundians are never guilty of anything even when they are...
This requires blaming another, commonly called 'scapegoating'...
D wrote:
Well the U.S. weren't involved in the latest deaths in Egypt, at least 73 killed & 1000 injured at the soccer...
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Nope, D—unbelievably, they're blaming *us* for that horrible incidence of Muslim violence, as well:
"Egyptian MP: U.S., Israel responsible for Port Said soccer bloodbath"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/egyptian-mp-us-israel-responsible-for-port-said-soccer-bloodbath.html
Well, us and *the Jooooooos*, of course...
How come the filthy Joos didn't get the blame this time? I'm stunned.
There's still time for the Joos and Israel to get blamed.
Well the U.S. weren't involved in the latest deaths in Egypt, at least 73 killed & 1000 injured at the soccer. Looks like the inmates are running asylum in Egypt now, maybe it will turn into another Iraq.
The inmates are running the asylum from Tunisia to Indonesia.