Afghan jihadi soldier murdered Marine on Feb. 1, Pentagon lied about cause of death

Why is the Pentagon covering for Islamic jihadists? "Marine killed by Afghan soldier last month, officials say," from the Associated Press, March 16 (thanks to Anne Crockett):

WASHINGTON – An Afghan soldier shot to death a 22-year-old Marine at an outpost in southwestern Afghanistan last month in a previously undisclosed case of apparent Afghan treachery that marked at least the seventh killing of an American military member by his supposed ally in the past six weeks, Marine officials said.

Lance Cpl. Edward J. Dycus of Greenville, Miss., was shot in the back of the head on Feb. 1 while standing guard at an Afghan-U.S. base in the Marja district of Helmand province. The exact circumstances have not been disclosed, but the Dycus family has been notified that he was killed by an Afghan soldier. Marine officials discussed the matter on condition of anonymity because it is still under investigation.

When the Pentagon announced Dycus' death the day after the shooting, it said he died "while conducting combat operations" in Helmand. It made no mention of treachery, which has become a growing problem for U.S. and allied forces as they work closely with Afghan forces to wind down the war.

The Associated Press inquired about the Dycus case after Maj. Gen. John Toolan, the top Marine commander in Afghanistan at the time, said in an AP interview March 7 that the Afghan government has been embarrassed by recent cases of Afghan soldiers turning their guns on their supposed partners.

"I had one just a month ago where a lance corporal was killed, shot in the back of the head, and the Afghan minister of defense was here the next day" to discuss custody of the shooter, Toolan said, speaking from his Regional Command-Southwest headquarters at Camp Leatherneck.

After a negotiation aimed at ensuring the Afghan suspect is prosecuted, the Americans turned him over to Afghan government custody, another official said.

Toolan did not further identify the victim. He mentioned the case while explaining the importance of stopping Afghan treachery as U.S. forces step back from a direct combat role in Helmand and other areas of Afghanistan to a new mission of advising and assisting Afghan soldiers and police.

That role, which is in full swing in Helmand, puts U.S. and other NATO troops in closer contact with Afghans at a time when tensions between the two sides have been heightened by an American soldier's alleged killing Sunday of 16 Afghan civilians.

"The Marines and soldiers that are doing the advising work out here understand that if they can't live side by side and operate day in and day out with the Afghans, then they are not going to be able to achieve what they need to achieve as far as relationship building," Toolan said....

Right. So get American troops out of there.

Two U.S. soldiers were gunned down by an Afghan soldier Feb 23 in Nangahar province; an Air Force lieutenant colonel and an Army major were killed inside the Afghan government office in Kabul and two Army paratroopers were killed by Afghan soldiers in Kandahar province on March 1.

In none of those cases did the Pentagon's casualty announcement mention that the Americans were killed by their supposed Afghan allies. It said, for example, that the two killed Feb. 23 died of "wounds suffered when their unit came under small arms fire." It happened amid an anti-American protest outside the Americans' base. Two protesters were killed by Afghan police there before the Afghan soldier turned his gun on U.S. troops.

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Wow!

No wonder our Marines had to lay down their weapons when Panetta recently visited Afghanistan.

I can't imagine that the USMC as a whole takes kindly to this news about Dycus.

I wonder what "Chesty" Puller or Howland M"ad" Smith would have said about the US govt treachery and lies and resticted war their beloved USMC has to put up with now, compared to the unhindered total war aginst the fanatical suicidal imperial Japanese army 1941-1945. The Taliban warfare is similar to the way the Japanese used suicidal attacks against the US Marines and Army in the Pacific theater of WW2.

Toolan should have said: The Afghans we're working with out here need to get it through their thick fucking skulls that if they can't live side by side and operate day in and day out with my Marines, then they are not going to be able to achieve what they need to achieve as far as relationship building and avoiding sudden death at the hands of my troops.

Toolan lays the blame on his Marines, not the mark of a true leader.

i fail to see any glimmer of hope.

the dammage caused by the bastard in chief is incalculable. this treasonous snake is guilty of this poor young man's death by the choice of actions that he has set in motion.
the entire political AND military leadership has been infected by the dhimmi virus.
the trojan horse has been around for 3 years during which time, it managed to help and abbet the enemy all while destroying our house from within, throwing our allies under the bus, while reading from the teleprompter with a smile....

hopeandchange, hopeandchange...drink the kooloaid...drink it all!!!

This treachery can only get worse, much worse, as our Afghan "allies" realize that their version of off-with-the-head justice for the Koran burners and the soldier assassin just isn't going to happen. It will probably be over a year or years before anything is settled and the soldiers all have plausible mitigating excuses and the Afghans will be even more killing mad. Note how long it's taking just to get Hassan to trial on the clear multiple murder Fort Hood case.

What a waste of blood & treasure for these morons - we must get out and cut our foolish loses. Muslims lands, like most of Africa, hopelessly tend to degenerate into chaotic killing fields, especially for infidels. I'm for the USA just watching from afar the moronic Muslims zombies going after each other's throats.

where is the appology?
M

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Youssef

Shameful! I'm beginning to wonder who the real enemies are? On the surface: one could say the obvious that it is the stone-age Muslim jihadists but, I think it is more realistically the shameless dhimmi's that we call "leaders" our generals and such. We need to get out immediately of this Islamic cesspool called Afghanistan!

How many more American troops are going to have to be killed first before our unhinged political elites realize if ever that all Muslims are the eternal mortal enemy of all non-Muslim unbelievers in the world? Indeed, our fantasy based nation-building missions in Iraq and Afghanistan were premised on false PC multicultural myths and misconceptions about Islam and were about as counterproductive and insane as lifting up Hitler and the Nazis after WWII. Indeed, it was preordained that they would fail because they were based on delusions.

One of those unhinged false PC multicultural myths our fantasy based nation-building missions in Iraq and Afghanistan were premised on is that Islam is a so-called Religion of Peace™ and that the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims in the world are moderates, which has irrefutably been proven in both Iraq and Afghanistan to be false. In fact, that same exact false PC multicultural myth was also used by our political elites to justify accommodating mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage, which is really covert and deceptive non-violent jihad for the purpose of mass infiltration and long-term stealth demographic conquest.

Indeed, our political elites for more than a decade now have been completely bonkers and unhinged.

After a negotiation aimed at ensuring the Afghan suspect is prosecuted, the Americans turned him over to Afghan government custody, another official said.

Give me a break. The so-called suspect is a Shahid. He will never ever be prosecuted, he will be celebrated as a hero. How incompetent can our military be?

How many years have we been in Afghanistan? Who is responsible for this dumbing down of our military? Apparently, the Saudis and the Gulf State Emirates have so infiltrated our Middle East Studies Departments of our elite colleges and universities and our federal government, that they have complete control over our military and federal government today.

"The Marines and soldiers that are doing the advising work out here understand that if they can't live side by side and operate day in and day out with the Afghans, then they are not going to be able to achieve what they need to achieve as far as relationship building," Toolan said....

It's the blind leading the blind. Nevertheless, nation-building missions in Iraq and Afghanistan to lift up Muslims based on false fantasy based PC multicultural myths and misconceptions about Islam is about as counterproductive and insane as lifting up Hitler and the Nazis after WWII.

Moreover, I hate to rain on our government's unhinged parade, but every Islamic state in the world, including NATO occupied Afghanistan is a jihadists sanctuary, as per the sixth and most important pillar of Islam, every mainstream orthodox Muslim on earth is a jihadists. A tiny minority of them are violent jihadists, while the vast overwhelming majority of them are covert and deceptive non-violent jihadists, and the few that are not jihadists are not Muslims at all, but instead blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of mainstream orthodox Islam must be executed.

In fact, our government is currently allowing mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage to occur willy-nilly today based on the false notion that the vast overwhelming majority of them are moderates, but that is absolutely untrue, as the existence of so-called moderate Muslims, like the existence of so-called radical Muslims, extremist Muslims, Islamist Muslims, fundamentalist Muslims, peaceful Muslims or whatever are all false PC multicultural myths.

I missed Hamid Karzai's cringing apology. Perhaps Obama can apologize.

Alcohol has been forbidden to US soldiers serving in Afghanistan, Iraq and Bosnia. Why, for the enforcement of Sharia? Perhaps the alleged shooter was under the influence of Pork Sausage.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/u-investigating-whether-alcohol-played-role-afghanistan-shooting-213032826.html

OT, it's Friday ladies and gentlemen! time to play ,"Let's make a prediction" How many raging devotees of the religion of peace will storm out of their mosques today killing and maiming in the name of allah and what will their total number of victims be?. He or she within the closest estimate will win the scorn of those happily in denial of the jihad around us.
As anger is deflected towards the great satan today, expect the energy to be focused more on protest than on throat slitting.

"Pentagon lied about cause of death"

Isn't this an islamic tactic? ..lieing. We expect this sort of thing from muslims, since lieing is allah approved in their unholy book, the quran, but we don't expect it from our US military. And of course it goes without saying that lieing is wrong and it destroys trust ...trust that American soldiers have placed in the US military when they enlisted to serve our country, and trust that families place on those in charge of informing them in the event their son or daughter dies while serving our country. I'm sure many families are now wondering if they were lied to, as well, and with good reason. Lieing is so evil, and the truth always comes out in the end.

Perhaps it's cover ups like this that can push an, on the edge, soldier overboard.

Take the above report of concealed reality in Afghanistan and multiply it exponentially. Read this thread from the "ArmedForcesJournal.com",

Lt. Col. Daniel L. Davis, "How military leaders have let us down - Truth, lies and Afghanistan"

Then consider the following quote from MSNBC:
"“Browne told The Associated Press that his client saw his friend’s leg blown off the day before the rampage. Browne said that according to his client’s family, he was standing next to another U.S. soldier when that soldier was gravely injured.” . . . “Sources have told NBC News that he enlisted soon after 9/11, trained as a sniper and was based at Joint Base Lewis McChord, about an hour south of Seattle. He served three tours in Iraq.”. . .”He arrived in Afghanistan in December and was assigned to a village stability operation.“

Lt. Col. Daniel L. Davis could confirm not a single instance of 'village stability' in the year he spent in Afganistan.

"Instead, I witnessed the absence of success on virtually every level."

Then consider:

Well-known Seattle defense attorney John Henry Browne is representing the "highly decorated 38-year-old" American soldier who was whisked out of Afghanistan reveals:

Afghan suspect's friend had leg blown off

""His leg was blown off, and my client was standing next to him," he said.
Browne said the incident affected all of the soldiers at the base. It isn't clear whether the incident might have helped prompt the horrific middle-of-the-night attack on civilians in two villages last Sunday.". . ."He and the rest of his brigade had initially been told they wouldn't have to go to Afghanistan, Browne said."

Military/CiC policy (RoE, RIF/"reduction in force", DADT), lack of brass integrity - each send a clear message to those in uniform that they have been, continue to be and remain expendable/collateral damage, even for political gain - resulting in nearly a decade of severe military attrition of the brightest most experienced talent fed-up with the level of ignorance factoring into the loss of blood and treasure. Attrition which ends up concentrating the influence of incompetence at the highest levels - levels which were unachievable for military careerists prior to that attrition.

Adding insult to injury, Panetta's shameful disarming of Marines in his presence illustrates the degree of insanity spilling over from the very top.

Obviously, it's not the soldiers in uniform that we worry have become irrationally deranged now, is it?

lan astaslem

Please get our young ones out of there now. Our youngsters are being killed for Obama's insanity. Obama is trying to score a point for his election but has no clue even for that. Administration is sucking up to AFGHANS, our enemy for what? Obama needs to go NOW. Nothing good will come to USA internally or externally unless OBAMA is GONE, GONE, GONE.

Thousands of Tunisians preach the application of Sharia in the streets!

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/node/716691

Some muslims are off message and instead of violence emanating from the mosques, they are taking violence into the mosques. First we had the Sunni on Shia arson death in a Brussels mosque. Today it's a baseball bat killing in a mosque in Arras, northern France. (Reuters March 16 2012)

Some time ago, in a British newspaper discussing the nonsensical rules of engagement to which our men - British, Australian, Canadian, US, and all others - are forced to comply with in Afghanistan, the paper opened the field for Comments.

One said it all. It went like this:

'Q: "How do you turn an Afghan civilian into a Taliban?"

A: "You turn your back on him".'

Looks like we have to modify that, to cover the case of soldiers in the Afghan National Army bushwhacking American, British, Australian, and other Allied soldiers:

"How do you turn an Afghan Muslim into a Taliban? - You turn your back on him".

Note that in the above article, the soldiers were all back-shot.

Slinking, sneaking cowardice that only attacks from behind or from ambush or in a howling lynch-mob, the soul of jackals hyenas and vultures, and the self-conceit and nonsense of the bandar-log (to know why I say this, see Kipling's The Jungle Book; I have an awful suspicion that when he described the bandar-log he might have been thinking of Muslims...) = Islam.

A protest is planned tomorrow in Morocco following the death of 16-year-old Amina Filali.

The Moroccan teen drank rat poison after being pressured into marrying the man who raped her. Her death has inspired a global internet campaign that exposes the Moroccan government’s part in the plight of women and girls like Filali. A petition to reform Moroccan law and protect victims of rape is circulating. Under the hashtag #RIPAmina, people all over the world are raising awareness for women’s rights in North Africa.


Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/03/16/rip-amina-campaign-raises-awareness-for-womens-rights/#ixzz1pJqTNCgJ

Youssef

French paratroopers returning from Afghanistan are being targeted after they have returned home. The three soldiers killed in two linked shootings were of North African Arab ethnicity. Today soldiers in southwestern France have been benned from wearing uniform off-base.
France24 March 16th 2012

oops. That should of course have been "banned".

Afghan jihadi soldier murdered Marine on Feb. 1, Pentagon lied about cause of death

Why is the Pentagon covering for Islamic jihadists?
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Exactly. Where does CYA over what I suppose was considered an embarrassing incident slop over into actually covering for the murdrous Jihadists?

It makes us less able to defend ourselves against the depredations of Jihadists, which is supposedly why we went into Afghanistan in the first place.

Of course, the "mission" has become hopelessly muddled since then, devolving from shutting down Al-Qaida and bin Laden to ousting the Taliban to "nation building" to some sort of 'peace with honor' to *covering for Jihadists who murder our own men*. Good God.

More:

WASHINGTON – An Afghan soldier shot to death a 22-year-old Marine at an outpost in southwestern Afghanistan last month in a previously undisclosed case of apparent Afghan treachery that marked at least the seventh killing of an American military member by his supposed ally in the past six weeks, Marine officials said.
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The seventh murder in *six weeks*. How many of these cases have there been over the course of the war? It seems we hear of new cases every week or two—as well as related cases where Afghan military, police, or interpreters are also working with the Taliban.
More:

When the Pentagon announced Dycus' death the day after the shooting, it said he died "while conducting combat operations" in Helmand. It made no mention of treachery, which has become a growing problem for U.S. and allied forces as they work closely with Afghan forces to wind down the war.
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The Taliban and other Afghan Jihadists are feeling particularly frisky now, as we plan to leave. Karzai has OK'd clerical "guidelines" that roll-back women's rights to the days of the Taliban, including enforcing the wearing of the Burqa and barring women from going out without a male escort.

More:

The Associated Press inquired about the Dycus case after Maj. Gen. John Toolan, the top Marine commander in Afghanistan at the time, said in an AP interview March 7 that the Afghan government has been embarrassed by recent cases of Afghan soldiers turning their guns on their supposed partners.
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*We're* the ones who should be embarrassed, for having such naïve policies in the first place. As for the Afghan government, I doubt they really regret the murder of Americans ad other allied forces much—it's just that finagling all that money can be a bit awkward when Afghan military and police are going on frequent murder sprees against their benefactors.

More:

"I had one just a month ago where a lance corporal was killed, shot in the back of the head, and the Afghan minister of defense was here the next day" to discuss custody of the shooter, Toolan said, speaking from his Regional Command-Southwest headquarters at Camp Leatherneck.

After a negotiation aimed at ensuring the Afghan suspect is prosecuted, the Americans turned him over to Afghan government custody, another official said.
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What are we, retarded? How can we believe such blatant bullsh*t?

Notice how many of these troops were *shot i the back of the head*? That means they trusted their Afghan "partners".

Also, notice the name of the base—Camp Leatherneck. Many will recognize that as the famous nickname of the Marines, but few will know where that term came from.

"Leatherneck" comes from the high, stiff leather collars adopted by Marines in north Africa fighting the Barbary Pirates to guard against being beheaded.

Of course, we weren't trying to *partner* with the barbarians in the 19th century. We had a lot more sense then.

More:

Toolan did not further identify the victim. He mentioned the case while explaining the importance of stopping Afghan treachery as U.S. forces step back from a direct combat role in Helmand and other areas of Afghanistan to a new mission of advising and assisting Afghan soldiers and police.

That role, which is in full swing in Helmand, puts U.S. and other NATO troops in closer contact with Afghans at a time when tensions between the two sides have been heightened by an American soldier's alleged killing Sunday of 16 Afghan civilians.
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What crap. The massacre was a terrible thing, but Muslims were slaughtering Americans before that over the accidental Qur'an burning, and before that just because we are filthy Infidels. The idea that these "tensions' date from the actions of one unhinged soldier's actions is just ridiculous.

More:

"The Marines and soldiers that are doing the advising work out here understand that if they can't live side by side and operate day in and day out with the Afghans, then they are not going to be able to achieve what they need to achieve as far as relationship building," Toolan said....
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Bit difficult building a relationship with those who want to kill you...

More:

Two U.S. soldiers were gunned down by an Afghan soldier Feb 23 in Nangahar province; an Air Force lieutenant colonel and an Army major were killed inside the Afghan government office in Kabul and two Army paratroopers were killed by Afghan soldiers in Kandahar province on March 1.

In none of those cases did the Pentagon's casualty announcement mention that the Americans were killed by their supposed Afghan allies. It said, for example, that the two killed Feb. 23 died of "wounds suffered when their unit came under small arms fire." It happened amid an anti-American protest outside the Americans' base. Two protesters were killed by Afghan police there before the Afghan soldier turned his gun on U.S. troops.
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Weasely bastards. And this was all long before that one American soldier lost it. So what was the excuse then?

Intresting story, France is fast ranking up the score this week. Not bad for a European country. Because the points were made using a bat, an American sporting implement, this particular individual should receive the inovative jihadist merit award for the day.

How absolutely infuriating! What were these "leaders" thinking when they made the decision to obscure the truth or tell outright lies to the families, the press, and other soldiers in a matter of such gravity?

My God! What has happened to the ethics of the military leaders?

http://www.translatingjihad.com/2012/03/assembly-of-muslim-jurists-of-america.html

Muslim Brotherhood-linked Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America says that Muslims can't obey laws that are not Sharia compliant and that those that do obey them are unbelievers.

How many more American troops are going to have to be killed first before our unhinged political elites realize if ever that all Muslims are the eternal mortal enemy of all non-Muslim unbelievers in the world?

Slowly but surely, not just the political elite but the public in general, will get the message that Muslims and Islam do not mix with anything else, in Islamic countries or anywhere else.

The Green curtain is coming down rather sooner then I thought.

WhupTdue,

What you document in your comment -- outrageous enough -- is but a minuscule tip of the iceberg. If one spends a few hours reading through the multitude of reports which Diana West has amassed on her blog going back years right up to this week (on both catastrophes -- the Afghanistan war and the Iraq war), one will then have a fuller grasp of that iceberg; and at that point, one wonders if the data about the sickening, nauseating, unconscionable, outrageous, unacceptable crap which our military Commanders-in-Chief (OBushma -- both Bush and Obama) and their Chiefs of Staff including every last one of those silver-haired Generals (the more stars, the more asininely PC MC) have ordered our men to endure is not bountiful enough to warrant actual, all-out, mass mutiny.

The converse -
Q: How do you turn a Taliban into an Afghan civilian?
A: Shoot him.

This is outrageous, America!

Outrageous!

God bless and comfort the family of the soldier. May perpetual light shine upon him.
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Obama lied and soldiers died! Shot in the back of the head - AGAIN, damn it!!
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DE-ELECT OBAMA if you wish your children to be free.

If you have no children, DE-ELECT for your OWN freedom.
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We are being lied to by our government, it is plain to see.


Exit Afghanistan as soon as is convenient for our personnel and for Christians, Buddhists, etc., who wish to leave in good conscience.
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Speaking of Diana West, this same report about this Feb 1 story is her latest entry on her blog; and guess what, as she reminds us, Diana West was on it way back on February 4.

A pity Spencer no longer communicates with her (whom long, long ago, he used to praise to the skies but has been ignoring for at least two or three years now, for some mystical reason we will apparently never know.

The Anti-Islam Movement -- operating like a well-oiled machine, with all its members in regular up-to-date communication with each other about important matters, and none of them ever letting their differences or squabbles (personal or professional) get in the way of the far more important ongoing obligation to help inform the public and wake the West up from its myopia to the metastasizing danger of Islam!

This sort of treachery by "afghan allies" is depressingly not new. Six years ago, Canadian Capt. Trevor Greene was attacked from behind by an axe-wielding afghan while in a meeting with afghan "elders". The plan to do this atrocity was apparently known beforehand by these so-called elders and done with their tacit approval.

The following account is also a testament to the amazing fortitute of this man as he struggled to recover.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/02/attacked-by-an-axe-wielding-insurgent-in-afghanistan-trevor-greenes-recovery-has-been-slow-and-painful/

"Why is the Pentagon covering for Islamic jihadists?"

Incredible, but then again, not, because first there was GWB who proclaimed that "islam is a religion of peace" who fawned over and toadied up to the saudis before and after 9/11.

And to compound this insanity, there is a traitor to his country in the white house now who is so enamoured of, so infatuated with islam and muslims that there is seemingly no depth to which not he will sink in his acquiesence to all things islamic.

LemonLime wrote:

"The Anti-Islam Movement -- operating like a well-oiled machine, with all its members in regular up-to-date communication with each other about important matters, and none of them ever letting their differences or squabbles (personal or professional) get in the way of the far more important ongoing obligation to help inform the public and wake the West up from its myopia to the metastasizing danger of Islam!"

Why are you sarcastically criticizing Spencer alone on his own site in this regard? Maybe Diana West had pertinent information on this revelation well-prior to this article posted here. If so, then give praise where it is due, but without the unfair and ucorrelated criticism of "letting differences or squabbles (personal or professional) get in the way of the far more important ongoing obligation to help inform the public and wake the West up from its myopia to the metastasizing danger of Islam!" as you sarcastically put it, squarely in Spencer's lap.

By the way, you are commiting the very same fault of your own pointed criticism here with that last statement. You do see that, no?

Anywho, I gathered from your many, many previous statements, here there, on the so-called anti-Islam movement, as being "still inchoate".

Has that changed, or do you now consider yourself not part of that anti-Islam group?


Youssef, what can we expect when Europe prides itself on its emancipation from Christ, and looks on the lingering Christian piety of the Great American Desert as proof of its "backwards" character?

Tom

you wrote -

"The converse [to the 'rule' which I, dda, had reported from a sardonic comment in a British newspaper, on how to turn an Afghan into a Taliban] -

Q: How do you turn a Taliban into an Afghan civilian?
A: Shoot him."

Good one, mate. I'm putting that in my files.

It applies in many other theatres of jihad, too, most notably on the Israel front-line, for which I have just rewritten it:

Q : 'How do you turn a screaming Jew-hating allahu-akbaring local Arab Muslim jihadist, who is throwing rocks/ waving a knife/ firing a gun/ launching a rocket, etc., into an innocent civilian?

A: Shoot him."

Joke of the night:

What is the difference between “moderate/dreamer Muslims” and “fundamentalist/jihadi Muslims” ?

Punchline-

The later are “real Muslims” that correctly understand Islamic doctrine and accept the necessity of subjugating and/or killing non-Muslims for the purpose of establishing full-on sharia law with all of its accompanying horrors.

The former are “apostate Muslims” either living in ignorance of or in denial of the reality of Muhammad’s sick cult of Islam.

Islam Undressed: Islam and Jihad:

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_Undressed:_Islam_and_Jihad

164 Jihad Verses in the Qur’an:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html

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We ex-Muslims dealing with Islam's formal and informal death penalty for apostasy know for certain that Islam is evil both in-part and on the whole.

Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:

"One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur'an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way...

The statement continues,

Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified."

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Ex-Muslim Ali Sina's ongoing challenge to Muslims can be found over at Faith Freedom.org:

THE CHALLENGE

If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay

$50,000 U.S. dollars

to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:

a narcissist
a misogynist
a rapist
a pedophile
a lecher
a torturer
a mass murderer
a cult leader
an assassin
a terrorist
a madman
a looter

...You simply can’t disprove them because they are reported in Islamic sources and as such they are as good as confession...

http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-challenge/

American soldiers shot in the back by "Moderate Islamic Partners in Peace" while the fake Christian Userper in Chief in Washington still continues to hinder and delay the prosecution of Nidal Malik Hassan of the Fort Hood Massacre infamy, lest it may be judicially confirmed that he acted upon an Islamic Jihaddist motivation.

American soldiers shot in the back by "Moderate Islamic Partners in Peace" while the fake Christian Userper in Chief in Washington still continues to hinder and delay the prosecution of Nidal Malik Hassan of the Fort Hood Massacre infamy, lest it may be judicially confirmed that he acted upon an Islamic Jihaddist motivation.

My response to this latest Outrage: "allies"? ALL LIES http://bit.ly/wZ2YaK

Jihaddist: We can destroy the US from within!

Userper in Chief: Yes, we can! Yes , we can!

I must have missed the story where Obama demanded an apology from Karzai and got it.

As others have said above, it is truly despicable that the killer has been released to the Afghan authorities whatever 'assurances' have been agreed. The cold blooded treacherous rat should have been tried by a military court and put before a firing squad. .nothing more, nothing less.
Lt Col Dycus Semper Fidelis . .may you make the journey home to the stars safely friend.

Christians across the Middle East are expressing anger and frustration after the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia said it is “necessary to destroy all the churches of the region.” In Cairo and Beirut, the anger was loudest, but also through their calls were gestures of tolerance

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Around 4,000 people gathered today in front of the National Constituent Assembly, calling for the implementation of Shariaa law in the new constitution.

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Youssef

According to Michael Yon (impeded ex-special forces journalist), the number of such deaths is more like 20. http://www.michaelyon-online.com/major-red-flag-military-cover-up-in-afghanistan.htm

.....Re your..."The Taliban warfare is similar to the way the Japanese used suicidal attacks against the US Marines and Army in the Pacific theater of WW2."

Indeed it is, and we'll get absolutely nowhere "leading from behind".

I don't know what's come over us as a Nation......those of us of a certain age ( I was ten years old when Pearl Harbor was attacked...) have to wonder why we are pussey-footing around ten years after a similar (but not identical) surprise air attack by our Muslim/Islamic enemy in Manhattan and our nation's Capital in 2001, and an heroic, ad hoc effort brought down the last of those Muslim/Islamic hijacked civilian airliners into a Pennsylvania farmfield.

Because of my retained vivid memories of our intensive anti-Japanese feelings throughout the Pacific War, I can't express my bewilderment and disgust at the strategy/tactics applied today.

Granted, we've got a trans-border, un-uniformed, fragmented, and globally spread enemy in our multifaceted Muslim/Islamic enemy of today...however, it seems to this armchair strategist that a few judiciously and devastating attacks by us (i.e. Americans...as others have various reasons to distance themselves from us Americans.....that's another subject....) would get the message across that we're aware of the similar infestation, infiltration, and subversion of this era to that of the Japanese during the 1930's.

Moreover, we faced infestation, infiltration,and subversion from the Soviet Russians starting in the same period. We needed the Soviets to help defeat the Nazi's.....and they needed America's "Arsenal Of Democracy".

Afterwards, we reverted attention to the subversive aspects of warfare.

Somehow, we've permitted that asinine "political correctness" to govern (no pun intended) all of our reactions to Muslim/Islamic encroachment.....accommodating our sworn enemy at every juncture...abroad and here at home.

We're bending over.....waiting for more thrusts of that searing, red hot poker of Islam.


This undertaking can not be successful until everyone in the legislator, the administration, military, Homeland security, the FBI, the CIA, the AFT, immigrations, and all citizen understand Islams ideology, goal, committment, motivation, funding, Sharia Law, and seriousness of the jihad against the world of non-Muslims.

The key word here is ideology because that is the backbone of Islam. Once we all understand these things then we can begin to be effective against killings. Within the ideology we find words like taqiyya, kaffir, jihadists, martyers, submission, law of Allah (the Sharia), and the word domination. All supposedly order by and from Allah thru Muhammad and no one else but Muhammad.

Of course the Qu'ran was written after Muhammads death. So the whole ideology starts at that point and ends at that point, trying to copy the ideals and likeness of Muhammad as if that would get all Muslims Allahs favor, and then to paradice (heaven) has two or three heads and directions. So this puzzel can never fit together.

The major problem then is that very few non-Muslims understand the ideology of Islam. We are told that we cause the killings, hatred, demontrations, and rioting by such things as burning the Qu'ran and so forth. That simply doesn't make any since at all because there has (to my knowledge) never been any such cause prior to 2001. We all know that Muslims have been murdering kaffirs for 1400 years. That includes the crusades, barbary coast, 9-11 and all the rest of it.

The Generals of the U.S. military have turned into kiss arses toward this administration, and Islam so of cause they aren't at all effective. They never have been and never will be.

These wars are a total waste of American lives and money. It's the ideology of Islam that has to change in order for peace to have a chance. Until then Muslims will always be poor neighbors and allis, because Islam isn't interested in in those two things. They are only interested in jihad so they can all realize paradice.

Our U.S. military will continue to melt down until the ideology of Islam is learned and then taught. It's the ideology of Islam that must change, in order for peace to have a chance. The United States can continue to appease, and apologize all it wants to, but it is a total waste of lives, money, and effort.

Most of Jihad Watch bloggers totally understand. But we can't do anything about it until the administration, military and the rest of government catches up. And they refuse to change course because it may upset Islam. So here we are the best military in the world, also the most ineffective military in the world. All in the name of appeasing Islam, first and formost.

...you are commiting the very same fault of your own pointed criticism here with that last statement. You do see that, no?

I am not ignoring an important piece of information reported a month ago because of some mysterious rift I have had with Spencer which I never explain to the public; indeed, you consistently and regularly have chided me with precisely the opposite -- continuing to avail myself of Spencer's reportage for the purpose of informing and waking up the public. For the comparison to be valid, I would have to ignore a particular important report Spencer put up one day, and then a whole month later adverto to that same report and instead of giving a hat tip to the one who deserved it -- namely, Spencer -- I would give a hat tip to someone else. You do see that, no?

Also, I never claimed that Spencer necessarily knew about West's inestimable deftness in being on top of this story way back on February 4; rather, that he would have known about it, had he remained in the close touch he evidently obviously used to maintain with her way back in the mists of time years ago, before something happened to cause him to completely stop (for nearly three years now) mentioning how "inestimable" and "ever-perceptive" and "ever-insightful" she is with her "usual acuity and perceptiveness" as "[o]ne of the nist clear-sighted and brave columnists on the scene today" and frequently adverting to, and relaying here on the pages of Jihad Watch (and the now retired Dhimmi Watch), her "superb" columns (all quotes indicating Spencer's own words in extremely high praise of her; once, indeed -- way back in 2006 -- even going so far as to effusively gush "West for President!")

Anywho, I gathered from your many, many previous statements, here there, on the so-called anti-Islam movement, as being "still inchoate".

Has that changed, or do you now consider yourself not part of that anti-Islam group?

The logic of your question doesn't make sense. The anti-Islam movement being inchoate neither makes me consider myself a part, nor not a part, of it. Those two factors -- the anti-Islam movement being inchoate or not; and my considering myself a part of it or not, are two separate factors. I have no idea how or why you would be necessarily connecting them to each other; nor do I much care to plumb a muddled mind.

LemonLime wrote:

"...I never claimed that Spencer necessarily knew about West's inestimable deftness in being on top of this story way back on February 4; rather, that he would have known about it, had he remained in the close touch he evidently obviously used to maintain with her way back in the mists of time years ago, before something happened to cause him to completely stop (for nearly three years now)..."

So, maybe he would have, but what is the point of that statement? It has no topical relevance here in this thread. If they had a falling out, then they did. Why exactly? I don't know for sure. I have my suspicions, but if you want to know, then why not ask him yourself?

Your statement above places a blame on Spencer that his evitable parting with West should have been avoided so Spencer could have reported this story much earlier. Now if that belief in your estimation derves a valid and important criticism on its own, then it might have merit. But since most sources reported this story yesterday, (Drudge, HotAir etc.), and none gave West source credit as far as I am aware, not just Spencer, seemingly weeks later, but everywhere. So your criticism of Spencer in this regard flies in the face of that reality, unless everyone I mentioned has a collective conspiracy against West. That's highly unlikely, and baseless unless proof is presented otherwise.

Anyway, your statement was overt in it's intent to paint Spencer as a rogue commenter in this movement and as one who regularly and without reason, burns bridges with those he once had acquaintance with. Everybody should be able to see that and if they don't, they can refer to your numerous articles essentially stating exactly such sentiment.

My "muddled mind",(because you say so)aside, has clarity enough to realize that you weaken all your arguments due to your persistent inclination to criticize Spencer's character, instead of the validity of the content he presents. That he allows you to continue to do that at his site no less, while a bit puzzling to me, seems to indicate Spencer being the bigger man of the two of you.

I notice that you didn't answer the question of whether you consider yourself part of this movement. Your blog would indicate that you do, and if so, then why prolong this avenue of commentary and criticism based on personal disaffection? To continue to do so only illustrates your hypocrisy of engaging in the very same behaviour you routinely try to take Spencer to task for.

Nice. Great work, Bosch!...as usual.

From your blog:

"Is he holding back on recommending to his readers “the inestimable” and “superb” and “ever-insightful” Diana West in this case because she, unlike him, is taking a bold stand in condemning the demonstrators, and he doesn’t want that point of view given any air time on his blog? Or have Spencer and West had a falling out that, like most important things that go on with our unofficial and unelected leadership in the Anti-Islam Movement, seems to go on behind the closed doors of its aristocratic Gentlemen’s Club?"

Question #1: Maybe - and so what? Perhaps Spencer had a different view on giving brainwashed Mohammedists a fighting chance. And by the way - this is Spencer's blog. What he does or has done with it is his business.

And a supposed "falling out"? Again - so what? Big deal.

People have fallings-out all the time - every day - over things various and sundry that are none of our business.
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I think your comment is loosely based on your own suppositions, and only succeeds in a sort of smear of Spencer.

Why is that necessary to do? Why is it so important to the real cause at hand, in general, and the topic of this thread, in particular?

Hesperado's had a chip on his shoulder, somethinhg nagging him, since I can remember.. He could be Mr llttle green footballs himself, at a guess.

"It has no topical relevance here in this thread."

This site is supposed to be reporting events in a timely way. Being a month late is not timely. And there's no good reason for that tardiness; likely a bad reason -- i.e., letting rifts (personal or professional) get in the way of the kind of constant back-and-forth flow of information which a healthy movement would encourage. But I already said all this. I guess with some individuals remedial repetition is required for comprehension (and even then, there's no guarantee).

"Question #1: Maybe - and so what?"

cf. supra.

I see that you STILL have not answered the question of whether you consider yourself part of the movement. So be it.

Anyway, you wrote:

"This site is supposed to be reporting events in a timely way. Being a month late is not timely. And there's no good reason for that tardiness..."

Let's add the mortal sin of "tardiness" to the laundry list of problems LemonLime has with Robert Spencer. Should he be detained, suspended or drawn and quartered for this new outrage as you perceive, LemonLime?

More pointedly, West's article back on February 4th merely posited the question. The confirmation was revealed...yesterday...as I said and I provided high-profile sources to support that truth. You on the otherhand, have offered no sources as a counterargument.

I notice that this vital story, the question posed by West on February 4th, was also not commented on in any way by you before today as far as I can see. Maybe you deleted that thread from your blog? Now, now LemonLime, tardiness shouldn't and won't be tolerated.

I will not waste any more of my valuable time here redressing you on this thread, for I have far better things to do than engage in witless banter with someone so intellectually dishonest as yourself.

That said, going forward, expect me to respond in kind whenever I see your off-topic comments just to grief Robert Spencer on a personal level, no matter how baseless your criticisms are, which is becoming more apparent with each subsequent comment you make here. No, not expect, be cocksure that I will, for my goal here is expose your disingenuous behavior, which when rightfully called out, sees you scurrying behind some pre-fabricated victimhood status. You're beyond a caricature of yourself at this point in my estimation.

At least I am honest in my intentions. You on the otherhand, think that you are clever enough to disguise yours. You're not for your information, and I expect that comprehension to continue to grow here in this community, for you, and honest, respectful objective discourse are currently an ocean apart.

Good afternoon.

john spielman,

"The Taliban warfare is similar to the way the Japanese used suicidal attacks against the US Marines and Army in the Pacific theater of WW2."

In fact, Islamic warfare for 1400 years has been like the Japanese suicidal attacks. Muslims have been using that tactic for 1400 years. We have to stop marginalizing the problem to just "the Taliban" or "al Qaeda" or the "Wahhabis" or the "Salafists" or the "Islamists" or the "radical Islamists" or any number of other terms used to avoid the Camel in the Room.

It's Muslims. Straight, no chaser. That's the problem. Until we get that, we will be at a grievous strategic disadvantage. And countless lives will be lost -- on our side, the only side that matters.

"Being a month late is not timely. And there's no good reason for that tardiness; likely a bad reason -- i.e., letting rifts (personal or professional) get in the way of the kind of constant back-and-forth flow of information which a healthy movement would encourage."
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Well, pray tell, why didn't you bless us all with a timely scoop on the whole thing, then?

You're arguing out the side of your mouth, as usual, and for someone so bright, you sure waste a lot of time criticizing others for a supposed "shortcoming in reporting". You could have rectified your complaint with a simple, benign comment and a link. Instead, you chose the low-road; a smeary, personalized discourse that unfairly questions the motives of this site's administrator.

And by the way, if "there's no good reason for that tardiness", then there is, most assuredly, no "likely bad reason". There is only something other than "good", which, again, would be something approaching "bad".

"Well, pray tell, why didn't you bless us all with a timely scoop on the whole thing, then?"

You're making a comparison. For a comparison to pertinently and approprately apply, there have to be a sufficient number of correspondences of the relevant factors. Here, there are not.

a) I didn't once praise Diana West to the skies for years, then in the last approximately two to three years suddenly stop mentioning her at all (except once
briefly in May of 2010 in a comments section to leap in like a shark to complain about her "vicious attack" on me when all she did was maturely and intelligently disagree with me in defense of another colleague I had also cut ties with (whose last name is but for one letter exactly the same as the most famous city in Massachusetts) -- while in the meanwhile her work I once praised to the skies not conly has continued, but has gotten more productive and arguably better for the anti-Islam movement)

b) I didn't once regularly and frequently advert to her reports on my blog for years in the context of praising her to the skies, with direct links to, and quotes of, her articles, and then stop for the last three years (while meanwhile her work; cf. supra)

c) I was not apparently, given (a) and (b), more than a mere civilian reader of Diana West, but actually a friend and colleague in the context of the embryonic anti-jihad movement

d) I did not, beginning in February of 2008, start putting Diana West on my blog roll, only to take her off my blog roll approximately on March 31 of 2010 and keep her off ever since

and finally

e) I don't have a blog that reaches possibly millions to an important extent because I myself extend the influence of my name and work by flying all over the world all year long to various colloquia, onferences, debates and TV and radio interviews related to the ongoing anti-jihad movement; and by having had published several books some on the NY Times bestseller list -- and thus I don't have a blog anywhere near as important in the realm of commuication to multitudes high and low throughout the world, let alone throughout the West, by which the importance of maintaining the virtue of healthy cooperation (and, conversely, the vice of letting personal and/or professional squabbles get in the way of cooperation) amongst colleagues in the ongoing anti-jihad movement becomes that much more pertinent to point out, because that much more influential and hopefully effective.

correction:

"...there have to be a sufficient number of correspondences..."

to:

"...there has to be a sufficient number of correspondences..."

I haven't the slightest idea what your post, above, means.

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